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Cigar
09-04-2015, 11:36 AM
The Question:

How has the Decades of Illegal Immigration personally impacted YOUR individual life?

Good or Bad, what has impacted you personally?

No flaming intended, I'm really interested in personal stories ranter that abstract and political talking points.

I hope we can have an honest discussion without being allowed to go Off-Topic.

Chris
09-04-2015, 11:40 AM
It's lowered prices despite the government raising them by inflating the dollar.

Cigar
09-04-2015, 11:55 AM
I'm all lower prices for produce and food ... it was getting really crazy there for a while.

I'm also glad that Oil and Gas prices are down.

But I can honestly say, not a single Illegal Immigrant issue is guiding what I do today, or tomorrow.

But will be driving on Americas Highway this weekend, putting Gas in my Cars and be outside breathing air.

Private Pickle
09-04-2015, 12:02 PM
Executive SummaryUnlawful immigration and amnesty for current unlawful immigrants can pose large fiscal costs for U.S. taxpayers. Government provides four types of benefits and services that are relevant to this issue:

Direct benefits. These include Social Security, Medicare, unemployment insurance, and workers’ compensation.
Means-tested welfare benefits. There are over 80 of these programs which, at a cost of nearly $900 billion per year, provide cash, food, housing, medical, and other services to roughly 100 million low-income Americans. Major programs include Medicaid, food stamps, the refundable Earned Income Tax Credit, public housing, Supplemental Security Income, and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families.
Public education. At a cost of $12,300 per pupil per year, these services are largely free or heavily subsidized for low-income parents.
Population-based services. Police, fire, highways, parks, and similar services, as the National Academy of Sciences determined in its study of the fiscal costs of immigration, generally have to expand as new immigrants enter a community; someone has to bear the cost of that expansion.
The cost of these governmental services is far larger than many people imagine. For example, in 2010, the average U.S. household received $31,584 in government benefits and services in these four categories.
The governmental system is highly redistributive. Well-educated households tend to be net tax contributors: The taxes they pay exceed the direct and means-tested benefits, education, and population-based services they receive. For example, in 2010, in the whole U.S. population, households with college-educated heads, on average, received $24,839 in government benefits while paying $54,089 in taxes. The average college-educated household thus generated a fiscal surplus of $29,250 that government used to finance benefits for other households.
Other households are net tax consumers: The benefits they receive exceed the taxes they pay. These households generate a “fiscal deficit” that must be financed by taxes from other households or by government borrowing. For example, in 2010, in the U.S. population as a whole, households headed by persons without a high school degree, on average, received $46,582 in government benefits while paying only $11,469 in taxes. This generated an average fiscal deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of $35,113.
The high deficits of poorly educated households are important in the amnesty debate because the typical unlawful immigrant has only a 10th-grade education. Half of unlawful immigrant households are headed by an individual with less than a high school degree, and another 25 percent of household heads have only a high school degree.
Some argue that the deficit figures for poorly educated households in the general population are not relevant for immigrants. Many believe, for example, that lawful immigrants use little welfare. In reality, lawful immigrant households receive significantly more welfare, on average, than U.S.-born households. Overall, the fiscal deficits or surpluses for lawful immigrant households are the same as or higher than those for U.S.-born households with the same education level. Poorly educated households, whether immigrant or U.S.-born, receive far more in government benefits than they pay in taxes.
In contrast to lawful immigrants, unlawful immigrants at present do not have access to means-tested welfare, Social Security, or Medicare. This does not mean, however, that they do not receive government benefits and services. Children in unlawful immigrant households receive heavily subsidized public education. Many unlawful immigrants have U.S.-born children; these children are currently eligible for the full range of government welfare and medical benefits. And, of course, when unlawful immigrants live in a community, they use roads, parks, sewers, police, and fire protection; these services must expand to cover the added population or there will be “congestion” effects that lead to a decline in service quality.
In 2010, the average unlawful immigrant household received around $24,721 in government benefits and services while paying some $10,334 in taxes. This generated an average annual fiscal deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of around $14,387 per household. This cost had to be borne by U.S. taxpayers. Amnesty would provide unlawful households with access to over 80 means-tested welfare programs, Obamacare, Social Security, and Medicare. The fiscal deficit for each household would soar.
If enacted, amnesty would be implemented in phases. During the first or interim phase (which is likely to last 13 years), unlawful immigrants would be given lawful status but would be denied access to means-tested welfare and Obamacare. Most analysts assume that roughly half of unlawful immigrants work “off the books” and therefore do not pay income or FICA taxes. During the interim phase, these “off the books” workers would have a strong incentive to move to “on the books” employment. In addition, their wages would likely go up as they sought jobs in a more open environment. As a result, during the interim period, tax payments would rise and the average fiscal deficit among former unlawful immigrant households would fall.
After 13 years, unlawful immigrants would become eligible for means-tested welfare and Obamacare. At that point or shortly thereafter, former unlawful immigrant households would likely begin to receive government benefits at the same rate as lawful immigrant households of the same education level. As a result, government spending and fiscal deficits would increase dramatically.
The final phase of amnesty is retirement. Unlawful immigrants are not currently eligible for Social Security and Medicare, but under amnesty they would become so. The cost of this change would be very large indeed.

http://amac.us/illegal-immigration-cost/

Mac-7
09-04-2015, 12:08 PM
No family member of mine has been murdered or raped by an illegal alien thank God

But I did not personally lose someone on 9-11 either

Does that mean I can't disapprove of illegal aliens or terrorists?

Common
09-04-2015, 12:08 PM
Im not doing this silly shit again for cigars entertainment

Cthulhu
09-04-2015, 01:25 PM
The Question:

How has the Decades of Illegal Immigration personally impacted YOUR individual life?

Good or Bad, what has impacted you personally?

No flaming intended, I'm really interested in personal stories ranter that abstract and political talking points.

I hope we can have an honest discussion without being allowed to go Off-Topic.
I know someone who was raped by one. Then knocked up and left by another.



Sent from my evil, baby seal-clubbing cellphone.

Tahuyaman
09-04-2015, 09:52 PM
So let's hear your Personal Illegal Immigration Stories ...

I just hired a crew of Mexicans to get the yard in shape of a house I'm selling. Half of them were illegals and they did a great job.

Redrose
09-05-2015, 02:47 AM
The Question:

How has the Decades of Illegal Immigration personally impacted YOUR individual life?

Good or Bad, what has impacted you personally?

No flaming intended, I'm really interested in personal stories ranter that abstract and political talking points.

I hope we can have an honest discussion without being allowed to go Off-Topic.


It affects all of us to some degree. It drains the system, for example in ER's and welfare/schools/jails with numbers we won't be able to continue to absorb.

I'm all for immigration, most of us are from families who emigrated here, but it needs to be done properly, legally.

If you or I broke the law they'd be all over us, we'd be held responsible, they break the law by coming here illegally and some folks look the other way and make excuses.

Mac-7
09-05-2015, 04:44 AM
Open borders libs are just puppets on a string with obumer telling them what to think.

The left thinks they can build their socialist nirvana if they can just get enough uneducated peons in the door from Latin America to turn the country into a one party (democrat) dictatorship.

So that's what they want.

Lineman
09-05-2015, 11:19 AM
I know those mexican people are affecting me personally. Its real bad. Real real bad.

On the other hand, corporations are too. Bad. Real real bad.

I know these things. Heard it on FOX.

Gotta be true.

OGIS
09-05-2015, 11:10 PM
I just hired a crew of Mexicans to get the yard in shape of a house I'm selling. Half of them were illegals and they did a great job.

So you broke the law, and are part of the problem. Got it.

Professor Peabody
09-06-2015, 05:00 AM
The school fees on my tax bill has tripled in the last five years due to the large influx of illegals and their kids into my area.

Mac-7
09-06-2015, 08:22 AM
So you broke the law, and are part of the problem. Got it.

It's hard to find a construction crew that isn't infested with mexicans

texan
09-06-2015, 08:30 AM
These questions are simply stupid gotch stuff he copied from somewhere else plagiarizing this topic and thread, but here is a tangible example and this happened everywhere for many many years breaking the bank (I am in Dallas County). John W Price is as Democrat race pimp as one can get.


This is a partial transcript of "The Big Story With John Gibson," July 10, 2006, that has been edited for clarity.
JOHN GIBSON, HOST: A Dallas hospital tired of footing the bill for illegal immigrants says it will ask Mexico and other countries to pay those health care costs. But the Mexican government is calling this an act of discrimination.
Here now is Dallas County Commissioner John Wiley Price.
So Mr. Price, this involves Parkland Hospital there in Dallas. How much money is involved?
JOHN WILEY PRICE, DALLAS COUNTY COMMISSIONER: Well, when you talk about $76 million of un-reimbursed care, you're talking about at least counties and other countries, about $46 million over and above what we call emergency care.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/07/11/it-mexico-turn-to-pick-up-bill.html

texan
09-06-2015, 08:34 AM
BTW now they bill the feds under Obamacare as Parkland just enrolls the illegals. Now they are federally insured illegals and get their money from the citizens of the country.

Nice huh? Not going to enroll illegals is what they said. What do the y have about 15 mil in ocare? I bet at least a 1/3 are illegals.

Mac-7
09-06-2015, 08:47 AM
You have to wonder why black people would be so happy to have millions of poor illegal aliens in America since it hurts poor blacks as much or more than anyone else else

Peter1469
09-06-2015, 08:56 AM
You have to wonder why black people would be so happy to have millions of poor illegal aliens in America since it hurts poor blacks as much or more than anyone else else

Likely the same reason they vote (D) against their interests.

Unthinking.

OGIS
09-06-2015, 09:31 AM
You have to wonder why black people would be so happy to have millions of poor illegal aliens in America since it hurts poor blacks as much or more than anyone else else

Well, first of all, it gives people like you other targets for your scorn, hatred and discrimination, so they get a bit of relief from that.

Tahuyaman
09-06-2015, 10:08 AM
So you broke the law, and are part of the problem. Got it.

Yep, but it saved me a few hundred dollars. Their boss is legal and they did a good job. Snitch me out if you disapprove.

OGIS
09-06-2015, 10:33 AM
Yep, but it saved me a few hundred dollars. Their boss is legal and they did a good job. Snitch me out if you disapprove.

I'll just snitch you out as a giant flaming selfish hypocrite, how about that?

Tahuyaman
09-06-2015, 11:44 AM
I'll just snitch you out as a giant flaming selfish hypocrite, how about that?

How am I a hypocrite?

OGIS
09-06-2015, 12:04 PM
How am I a hypocrite?

I seem to recall you having harsh words to say regarding illegal immigrants.

And yet you have absolutely no problem exploiting them(did you pay them less than minimum wage in cash under the table? Did you withhold and match social security payments?

Tahuyaman
09-06-2015, 12:10 PM
I seem to recall you having harsh words to say regarding illegal immigrants.

I don't seem to recall these so called "harsh statements". I think you are just assuming something here. Either show these harsh statements, or admit you just made a dumb assumption.

Dig up these harsh statements or admit you were wrong.

Tahuyaman
09-06-2015, 12:14 PM
And yet you have absolutely no problem exploiting them(did you pay them less than minimum wage in cash under the table? Did you withhold and match social security payments?

Actually, the man who employed them gave me a bid for the job and I agreed to his bid. It wasn't my place to ensure their FICA taxes and Social Security / Medicare / and insurance premiums were withheld.

Now, still feel like making dumb assumptions?

texan
09-06-2015, 12:50 PM
Actually, the man who employed them gave me a bid for the job and I agreed to his bid. It wasn't my place to ensure their FICA taxes and Social Security / Medicare / and insurance premiums were withheld.

Now, still feel like making dumb assumptions?

OGIS typically has few facts its all assumptions. You will see above as he/she follows the playbook. You are a racist. generally when people can't argue that's their go to comment.

Tahuyaman
09-06-2015, 12:55 PM
OGIS typically has few facts its all assumptions. You will see above as he/she follows the playbook. You are a racist. generally when people can't argue that's their go to comment.

He supports the old adage about making assumptions.

GrassrootsConservative
09-06-2015, 02:02 PM
So you broke the law, and are part of the problem. Got it.

Are you fine with the illegals breaking the law?

Tahuyaman
09-06-2015, 02:20 PM
I seem to recall you having harsh words to say regarding illegal immigrants.

And yet you have absolutely no problem exploiting them(did you pay them less than minimum wage in cash under the table? Did you withhold and match social security payments?


I don't seem to recall these so called "harsh statements".

Dig up these harsh statements or admit you were wrong.

well?

Don
09-06-2015, 05:46 PM
To be fair and not discriminate we should treat illegals the same way their own countries treat illegals. Canadian illegals here should suffer the same fate as illegals do in Canada. Mexican or Central Americans should suffer the same fate as illegals do in their countries. Wait, check that. Central American Illegals should be treated the same way Mexicans treat their illegals. First, they came through Mexico to get here. Secondly, Some Central American countries might shoot or imprison and torture people entering their countries illegally.

Captain Obvious
09-06-2015, 06:39 PM
Im not doing this silly shit again for cigars entertainment

He got TB's from the first one and this is sort of a cheap way of carrying that other thread on.

How this guy is still a member here is beyond me sometimes, there's nothing good faith about him.