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Common
09-12-2015, 06:33 AM
Im for it !

The "death with dignity (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/07/opinion/maynard-assisted-suicide-cancer-dignity/)" movement marked a victory in California Friday when the state Senate passed a bill allowing terminally ill patients to end their own lives with the help of a physician.

The End of Life Option Act (https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB128), which passed in the state Assembly (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/right-to-die-brittany-maynard_55f0cfe2e4b093be51bda5aa) Wednesday, would allow patients to seek aid-in-dying options so long as they are given six months or less to live by two doctors, submit a written request and two oral requests at least 15 days apart and possess the mental capacity to make their own health care decisions.
Gov. Jerry Brown (D), who attended a Jesuit seminary prior to his political career, has yet to indicate whether he will sign the bill into law.
The bill was inspired by Brittany Maynard, a 29-year-old San Francisco Bay Area resident who became the public face of the "death with dignity" movement after she was diagnosed with brain cancer last year. After discovering her diagnosis was terminal, Maynard moved to Oregon, where it's long been legal for doctors to help patients end their own lives. Maynard died Nov. 1, 2014.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/california-right-to-die_55f1fbbae4b002d5c078cd6b

Peter1469
09-12-2015, 09:26 AM
A good idea with a slippery slope potential.

Adelaide
09-12-2015, 11:15 AM
People should be able to make the decision if that is what they want - it seems bizarre to me to not allow people to die with "dignity". Obviously any laws created for euthanasia need to include aspects that address the prospect of whether someone is mentally capable of providing informed consent. There are already ways that physicians determine someone's mental capacities and whether they can be in charge of their own care or if they need a POA. I don't believe relatives should ever be able to make the decision for a patient, which means patients would need to think early on into any illness about having a properly crafted advanced directive.

OGIS
09-12-2015, 02:47 PM
People should be able to make the decision if that is what they want - it seems bizarre to me to not allow people to die with "dignity". Obviously any laws created for euthanasia need to include aspects that address the prospect of whether someone is mentally capable of providing informed consent. There are already ways that physicians determine someone's mental capacities and whether they can be in charge of their own care or if they need a POA. I don't believe relatives should ever be able to make the decision for a patient, which means patients would need to think early on into any illness about having a properly crafted advanced directive.

And suicide is considered a crime in most places. Culturally, and quite often legally.

(It boggles my mind as to what the pinheads that legislate things like this contemplate as a form of punishment.)

The point is that the entire concept that suicide is bad is a holdover from the days of slavery. (No, not just US southern slavery, I mean all the way back to Mesopotamia where most commons citizen were slaves - literally owned objects - of the ruler.

It is a common myth, pointed out often by Ayn Rand and many thinkers like her. It is based on the presumption that you, as a person, are beholden to, are owned by, the family, the tribe, the State, the god, that god, the Race, the Proletariat... anything other than yourself.

It's the ultimate Con Job.

And its been going on since forever.