Obamacare enrollees must double to make budget projections work

[Professor Peabody]

Obamacare enrollees must double to make budget projections work

By Tom Howell Jr. - The Washington Times - Sunday, September 13, 2015

President Obama will need to more than double the number of Americans enrolled in Obamacare exchange plans to reach 21 million next year, the target set in budget projections, in what is shaping up as the next major test for the health care law.

As of June, the Department of Health and Human Services counted 9.9 million customers who have bought plans through the federal HealthCare.gov portal and a handful of state-run exchanges.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/13/obamacare-enrollees-must-double-to-make-budget-pro/

Oh my, they've only signed up about 20% of the uninsured. What happened? If Obama Care was so great why haven't the uninsured flocked to it in droves? Narrow networks of providers, high deductibles and ridiculous yearly out of pocket costs, that's what happened.

[Captain Obvious]

If the GOP takes the WH and maintains a majority in congress, this thing gets a do-over to something that makes better sense for consumers and taxpayers.

[Crepitus]

Oh my, they've only signed up about 20% of the uninsured. What happened? If Obama Care was so great why haven't the uninsured flocked to it in droves? Narrow networks of providers, high deductibles and ridiculous yearly out of pocket costs, that's what happened.
Bitter, unhappy conservatives lying about what it is and does?

[Professor Peabody]

Bitter, unhappy conservatives lying about what it is and does?

It's easy to tell you don't have an Obama Care policy.

Folks without an Obama Care policy have no idea how vastly different it is compared to insurance policies they have from the very same company. I actually have an Obama Care "Silver" plan. I live in a Rural area with a small/medium size hospital and 3 medical groups, 1 large and 2 small. The hospital accepts my policy but the 1 large medical group that staffs the hospital doctors does NOT. That means if I'm hospitalized my policy coverage's with deductible and yearly out of pocket applies to the Hospital's bill but not the Doctors who would be out of network and covered only 30%. Since the Doctors and Facilities in the area accept Obama Care policies from just 2 providers, the networks are very important. Provider #1's insurance covers a number of doctors in my area, but if I need services like X-Ray, MRI and such I have to drive 45 miles down a mountain road if I don't want to pay 70% of the bill. Provider #2's insurance covers a number of facilities in my area so if I need services like X-Ray, MRI and such they are available locally, however if I want to see a doctor I have to drive 45 miles down a mountain road if I don't want to pay 70% of the bill. With the Obama Crap plan, I have to make a 90 mile round trip for a stinking X-Ray. Since I live in the mountains, the road to the flat lands isn't always available so if I need an X-Ray I'm just (*)(*)(*)(*) outta luck and have to pay the 70% + MY MONTHLY PREMIUM. AND the insurance provider raise my premium 33% as of Jan 1st 2015. The only plus I've experienced is the prescription coverage, I pay $5 for everything. However, since all my meds are generic I paid $9 at Wal-Mart without insurance.

Obamacare doctor networks to stay limited in 2015 (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-0928-obamacare-doctors-20140928-story.html)

Covered California still struggling with doctor-access issues (http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2014/09/22/covered-california-still-struggling-with-doctor.html)

Covered Calif. Plans Likely To Continue Offering Narrow Networks (http://www.californiahealthline.org/articles/2014/9/29/covered-calif-plans-likely-to-continue-offering-narrow-networks)

Some Newly Insured Under 'Obamacare' May Have Trouble Finding Doctors (http://consumer.healthday.com/public-health-information-30/lack-of-insurance-news-418/newly-insured-under-obamacare-may-face-access-to-care-problems-693968.html)

Doctors Face A Huge Medicare And Medicaid Pay Cut In 2015 (http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2015/01/05/doctors-face-a-huge-medicare-and-medicaid-pay-cut-in-2015/)

You're going to get a big fat load of what I've been getting, please don't complain.

[whatukno]

Bitter, unhappy conservatives lying about what it is and does?

Yep.

It does have some tweaks to iron out, but overall, it has been effective in insuring many people who were uninsured. It also eliminated the pre existing condition clause that stopped many people from getting insurance, but Republicans want those people to die slow painful deaths instead of getting adequate health care, so they keep fighting against the ACA.

[Tahuyaman]

Bitter, unhappy conservatives lying about what it is and does?

got any specifics?

[Tahuyaman]

It does have some tweaks to iron out, but overall...


Tweaks? That's an understatement.

[Redrose]

It's easy to tell you don't have an Obama Care policy.

Folks without an Obama Care policy have no idea how vastly different it is compared to insurance policies they have from the very same company. I actually have an Obama Care "Silver" plan. I live in a Rural area with a small/medium size hospital and 3 medical groups, 1 large and 2 small. The hospital accepts my policy but the 1 large medical group that staffs the hospital doctors does NOT. That means if I'm hospitalized my policy coverage's with deductible and yearly out of pocket applies to the Hospital's bill but not the Doctors who would be out of network and covered only 30%. Since the Doctors and Facilities in the area accept Obama Care policies from just 2 providers, the networks are very important. Provider #1's insurance covers a number of doctors in my area, but if I need services like X-Ray, MRI and such I have to drive 45 miles down a mountain road if I don't want to pay 70% of the bill. Provider #2's insurance covers a number of facilities in my area so if I need services like X-Ray, MRI and such they are available locally, however if I want to see a doctor I have to drive 45 miles down a mountain road if I don't want to pay 70% of the bill. With the Obama Crap plan, I have to make a 90 mile round trip for a stinking X-Ray. Since I live in the mountains, the road to the flat lands isn't always available so if I need an X-Ray I'm just (*)(*)(*)(*) outta luck and have to pay the 70% + MY MONTHLY PREMIUM. AND the insurance provider raise my premium 33% as of Jan 1st 2015. The only plus I've experienced is the prescription coverage, I pay $5 for everything. However, since all my meds are generic I paid $9 at Wal-Mart without insurance.

Obamacare doctor networks to stay limited in 2015 (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-0928-obamacare-doctors-20140928-story.html)

Covered California still struggling with doctor-access issues (http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2014/09/22/covered-california-still-struggling-with-doctor.html)

Covered Calif. Plans Likely To Continue Offering Narrow Networks (http://www.californiahealthline.org/articles/2014/9/29/covered-calif-plans-likely-to-continue-offering-narrow-networks)

Some Newly Insured Under 'Obamacare' May Have Trouble Finding Doctors (http://consumer.healthday.com/public-health-information-30/lack-of-insurance-news-418/newly-insured-under-obamacare-may-face-access-to-care-problems-693968.html)

Doctors Face A Huge Medicare And Medicaid Pay Cut In 2015 (http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2015/01/05/doctors-face-a-huge-medicare-and-medicaid-pay-cut-in-2015/)

You're going to get a big fat load of what I've been getting, please don't complain.


That sounds miserable. Too many "well intentioned" people say Obama gave some people healthcare for the first time, saying that's a good thing. Well, there is very little good I see from your coverage.

One of my daughters has an Obama plan. The hospital is relatively close, but the doctors, specialists are all over the place, and the co-pays and deductibles are insane. Basically she's still paying out of pocket for almost all of it, she never reaches the deductible. As you said, the prescriptions are cheaper, but she had a drug discount card from Walgreens, and that was a good deal too. Her premiums are terrible, for insurance she basically never gets to use, unless it's a catestrophic event.

People just don't understand what it really is. Those on MEDICAID faired the best. My premiums for my Medicare supplement insurance went up 250% in three years, and still climbing.

[Cigar]

Its a Done Deal and Setteled Law, never to be overturned.

How about we have another Repeal Vote. :laugh:

[Captain Obvious]

Its a Done Deal and Setteled Law, never to be overturned.

How about we have another Repeal Vote. :laugh:

Standard troll rubbish.

[texan]

Not according to the liberal projections, everything is just perfect.

[texan]

Just wait until this control freak ends his term and the covers get pulled back. He is gonna get torched. Not only that his own party will eventially admit he was impossible to work with, probably intimidating them as well.

[domer76]

If the GOP takes the WH and maintains a majority in congress, this thing gets a do-over to something that makes better sense for consumers and taxpayers.

That was always doable, but the House Republicans wasted all that time and effort into ridiculous repeal attempts.

[domer76]

It's easy to tell you don't have an Obama Care policy.

Folks without an Obama Care policy have no idea how vastly different it is compared to insurance policies they have from the very same company. I actually have an Obama Care "Silver" plan. I live in a Rural area with a small/medium size hospital and 3 medical groups, 1 large and 2 small. The hospital accepts my policy but the 1 large medical group that staffs the hospital doctors does NOT. That means if I'm hospitalized my policy coverage's with deductible and yearly out of pocket applies to the Hospital's bill but not the Doctors who would be out of network and covered only 30%. Since the Doctors and Facilities in the area accept Obama Care policies from just 2 providers, the networks are very important. Provider #1's insurance covers a number of doctors in my area, but if I need services like X-Ray, MRI and such I have to drive 45 miles down a mountain road if I don't want to pay 70% of the bill. Provider #2's insurance covers a number of facilities in my area so if I need services like X-Ray, MRI and such they are available locally, however if I want to see a doctor I have to drive 45 miles down a mountain road if I don't want to pay 70% of the bill. With the Obama Crap plan, I have to make a 90 mile round trip for a stinking X-Ray. Since I live in the mountains, the road to the flat lands isn't always available so if I need an X-Ray I'm just (*)(*)(*)(*) outta luck and have to pay the 70% + MY MONTHLY PREMIUM. AND the insurance provider raise my premium 33% as of Jan 1st 2015. The only plus I've experienced is the prescription coverage, I pay $5 for everything. However, since all my meds are generic I paid $9 at Wal-Mart without insurance.

Obamacare doctor networks to stay limited in 2015 (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-0928-obamacare-doctors-20140928-story.html)

Covered California still struggling with doctor-access issues (http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2014/09/22/covered-california-still-struggling-with-doctor.html)

Covered Calif. Plans Likely To Continue Offering Narrow Networks (http://www.californiahealthline.org/articles/2014/9/29/covered-calif-plans-likely-to-continue-offering-narrow-networks)

Some Newly Insured Under 'Obamacare' May Have Trouble Finding Doctors (http://consumer.healthday.com/public-health-information-30/lack-of-insurance-news-418/newly-insured-under-obamacare-may-face-access-to-care-problems-693968.html)

Doctors Face A Huge Medicare And Medicaid Pay Cut In 2015 (http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2015/01/05/doctors-face-a-huge-medicare-and-medicaid-pay-cut-in-2015/)

You're going to get a big fat load of what I've been getting, please don't complain.

It's your choice where you live. If you don't care for your ACA policy, purchase one of your own. But don't expect the rest of us to pick up your tab if you choose to go insurance-less and get sick.

[Redrose]

Yep.

It does have some tweaks to iron out, but overall, it has been effective in insuring many people who were uninsured. It also eliminated the pre existing condition clause that stopped many people from getting insurance, but Republicans want those people to die slow painful deaths instead of getting adequate health care, so they keep fighting against the ACA.


That is 100% untrue. Every plan the GOP suggested covered pre-existing conditions. Every plan.

[Tahuyaman]

That is 100% untrue. Every plan the GOP suggested covered pre-existing conditions. Every plan.


That is true.

[whatukno]

That is 100% untrue. Every plan the GOP suggested covered pre-existing conditions. Every plan.

all of the GOP health care plans were simply tax cuts, and nothing more, ZERO of them ended the practice of denying health care to people with pre existing conditions. In fact, a few GOP plans called for the euthanization of anyone with any pre existing condition. Some even called for firing squads on public steps for people with debilitating conditions.

[Howey]

It's easy to tell you don't have an Obama Care policy.

Folks without an Obama Care policy have no idea how vastly different it is compared to insurance policies they have from the very same company. I actually have an Obama Care "Silver" plan. I live in a Rural area with a small/medium size hospital and 3 medical groups, 1 large and 2 small. The hospital accepts my policy but the 1 large medical group that staffs the hospital doctors does NOT. That means if I'm hospitalized my policy coverage's with deductible and yearly out of pocket applies to the Hospital's bill but not the Doctors who would be out of network and covered only 30%. Since the Doctors and Facilities in the area accept Obama Care policies from just 2 providers, the networks are very important. Provider #1's insurance covers a number of doctors in my area, but if I need services like X-Ray, MRI and such I have to drive 45 miles down a mountain road if I don't want to pay 70% of the bill. Provider #2's insurance covers a number of facilities in my area so if I need services like X-Ray, MRI and such they are available locally, however if I want to see a doctor I have to drive 45 miles down a mountain road if I don't want to pay 70% of the bill. With the Obama Crap plan, I have to make a 90 mile round trip for a stinking X-Ray. Since I live in the mountains, the road to the flat lands isn't always available so if I need an X-Ray I'm just (*)(*)(*)(*) outta luck and have to pay the 70% + MY MONTHLY PREMIUM. AND the insurance provider raise my premium 33% as of Jan 1st 2015. The only plus I've experienced is the prescription coverage, I pay $5 for everything. However, since all my meds are generic I paid $9 at Wal-Mart without insurance.

Obamacare doctor networks to stay limited in 2015 (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-0928-obamacare-doctors-20140928-story.html)

Covered California still struggling with doctor-access issues (http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2014/09/22/covered-california-still-struggling-with-doctor.html)

Covered Calif. Plans Likely To Continue Offering Narrow Networks (http://www.californiahealthline.org/articles/2014/9/29/covered-calif-plans-likely-to-continue-offering-narrow-networks)

Some Newly Insured Under 'Obamacare' May Have Trouble Finding Doctors (http://consumer.healthday.com/public-health-information-30/lack-of-insurance-news-418/newly-insured-under-obamacare-may-face-access-to-care-problems-693968.html)

Doctors Face A Huge Medicare And Medicaid Pay Cut In 2015 (http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2015/01/05/doctors-face-a-huge-medicare-and-medicaid-pay-cut-in-2015/)

You're going to get a big fat load of what I've been getting, please don't complain.

Where have I heard this sob story before?

[Redrose]

all of the GOP health care plans were simply tax cuts, and nothing more, ZERO of them ended the practice of denying health care to people with pre existing conditions. In fact, a few GOP plans called for the euthanization of anyone with any pre existing condition. Some even called for firing squads on public steps for people with debilitating conditions.


LOL, you have your facts backwards and upsidedown. lol You are such a hoot. lol

[Howey]

Where have I heard this sob story before?
Here. And Trinn's forum. Broken record.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/43732-Two-thirds-of-Obamacare-customers-had-to-pay-back-subsidy-amount-to-IRS-study-shows?p=1068963&viewfull=1#post1068963

Oh. And miraculously similar to they wording in fake Obamacare stories all over the net... https://sharylattkisson.com/obamacare-fail-stories/

[Tahuyaman]

all of the GOP health care plans were simply tax cuts, and nothing more, .


That is not true. Many of them involved creating Health Savings Accounts and insurance and legal reforms.

[Tahuyaman]

Here. And Trinn's forum. Broken record.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/43732-Two-thirds-of-Obamacare-customers-had-to-pay-back-subsidy-amount-to-IRS-study-shows?p=1068963&viewfull=1#post1068963

Oh. And miraculously similar to they wording in fake Obamacare stories all over the net... https://sharylattkisson.com/obamacare-fail-stories/


Just claiming stories are all fake is not a valid argument. That's just expanding the denial mentality.

[Crepitus]

It's easy to tell you don't have an Obama Care policy.

Folks without an Obama Care policy have no idea how vastly different it is compared to insurance policies they have from the very same company. I actually have an Obama Care "Silver" plan. I live in a Rural area with a small/medium size hospital and 3 medical groups, 1 large and 2 small. The hospital accepts my policy but the 1 large medical group that staffs the hospital doctors does NOT. That means if I'm hospitalized my policy coverage's with deductible and yearly out of pocket applies to the Hospital's bill but not the Doctors who would be out of network and covered only 30%. Since the Doctors and Facilities in the area accept Obama Care policies from just 2 providers, the networks are very important. Provider #1's insurance covers a number of doctors in my area, but if I need services like X-Ray, MRI and such I have to drive 45 miles down a mountain road if I don't want to pay 70% of the bill. Provider #2's insurance covers a number of facilities in my area so if I need services like X-Ray, MRI and such they are available locally, however if I want to see a doctor I have to drive 45 miles down a mountain road if I don't want to pay 70% of the bill. With the Obama Crap plan, I have to make a 90 mile round trip for a stinking X-Ray. Since I live in the mountains, the road to the flat lands isn't always available so if I need an X-Ray I'm just (*)(*)(*)(*) outta luck and have to pay the 70% + MY MONTHLY PREMIUM. AND the insurance provider raise my premium 33% as of Jan 1st 2015. The only plus I've experienced is the prescription coverage, I pay $5 for everything. However, since all my meds are generic I paid $9 at Wal-Mart without insurance.

Obamacare doctor networks to stay limited in 2015 (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-0928-obamacare-doctors-20140928-story.html)

Covered California still struggling with doctor-access issues (http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2014/09/22/covered-california-still-struggling-with-doctor.html)

Covered Calif. Plans Likely To Continue Offering Narrow Networks (http://www.californiahealthline.org/articles/2014/9/29/covered-calif-plans-likely-to-continue-offering-narrow-networks)

Some Newly Insured Under 'Obamacare' May Have Trouble Finding Doctors (http://consumer.healthday.com/public-health-information-30/lack-of-insurance-news-418/newly-insured-under-obamacare-may-face-access-to-care-problems-693968.html)

Doctors Face A Huge Medicare And Medicaid Pay Cut In 2015 (http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2015/01/05/doctors-face-a-huge-medicare-and-medicaid-pay-cut-in-2015/)

You're going to get a big fat load of what I've been getting, please don't complain.
Actually I do. A glod plan from Coventry bought on the exchange. great plan at a great price.

[Crepitus]

got any specifics?
If you sign up for Obamacare hackers will steal your life's savings.
Sign up for Obamacare or go to jail.
Healthy people won't sign up.
Obamacare will explode the federal deficit.
Obamacare will break state budgets.
Premium rate will go through the roof.
The Obamacare website cost billions of dollars.
Death panels.
Senate Democrats begged to be exempt from Obamacare.
Obamacare will cause more part-time jobs.
Obamacare is using taxpayer dollars to fund abortion.
Obamacare will cause your spouse to lose coverage.
Obamacare won't meet enrollment goals.
Insurers will want no part of Obamacare.
Obamacare will destroy the economy.
Even if Americans enroll they won't pay their premiums.
Obamacare will not reduce the uninsured rate because it only helps those who already have insurance.
Obamacare will lead to a net loss in overall coverage.
Americans will hate Obamacare coverage.
How many more do you need?

[Tahuyaman]

If you sign up for Obamacare hackers will steal your life's savings.
Sign up for Obamacare or go to jail.
Healthy people won't sign up.
Obamacare will explode the federal deficit.
Obamacare will break state budgets.
Premium rate will go through the roof.
The Obamacare website cost billions of dollars.
Death panels.
Senate Democrats begged to be exempt from Obamacare.
Obamacare will cause more part-time jobs.
Obamacare is using taxpayer dollars to fund abortion.
Obamacare will cause your spouse to lose coverage.
Obamacare won't meet enrollment goals.
Insurers will want no part of Obamacare.
Obamacare will destroy the economy.
Even if Americans enroll they won't pay their premiums.
Obamacare will not reduce the uninsured rate because it only helps those who already have insurance.
Obamacare will lead to a net loss in overall coverage.
Americans will hate Obamacare coverage.
How many more do you need?

Many of those are true.

[maineman]

Many of those are true.
as in two or three?

[Crepitus]

Many of those are true.
Riiiiight.

Whatever you think Pal.

[Tahuyaman]

as in two or three?

Most of them are fact. One or two are dubious claims

[maineman]

Most of them are fact. One or two are dubious claims

got links?

[Crepitus]

Most of them are fact. One or two are dubious claims
Proof?

[Redrose]

Many of those are true.


I'd say most are true, the rest are a strong probability of becoming reality.

[Doublejack]

If the GOP takes the WH and maintains a majority in congress, this thing gets a do-over to something that makes better sense for consumers and taxpayers.

In other words : They should have participated in the ACA instead of doing nothing but setting up roadblocks the entire time?

[Professor Peabody]

Its a Done Deal and Setteled Law, never to be overturned.

How about we have another Repeal Vote. :laugh:

How about we keep the funding the same as the original bill calls for year after year and let it wither on the vine.

[Professor Peabody]

It's your choice where you live. If you don't care for your ACA policy, purchase one of your own. But don't expect the rest of us to pick up your tab if you choose to go insurance-less and get sick.

I was forced to buy that shit policy, get that through your head. Of course it's my choice where I live. If the forced health care is substandard, the Government should pay for me to move then.....right?

[Professor Peabody]

Where have I heard this sob story before?

You heard it many times I'm sure with the failed Obama Care crapola.

[Professor Peabody]

Actually I do. A glod plan from Coventry bought on the exchange. great plan at a great price.

Post a link the details of the plan you have like yearly out of pocket, deductibles and premiums from Coventry.

[Redrose]

Its a Done Deal and Setteled Law, never to be overturned.

How about we have another Repeal Vote. :laugh:

Cigar

Slavery and prohibition were laws too, done deals, settled law. Wise people finally realized they were bad laws. That is why we have a repeal procedure.

[Cigar]

@Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294)

Slavery and prohibition were laws too, done deals, settled law. Wise people finally realized they were bad laws. That is why we have a repeal procedure.
Redrose Salvery and Prohibition had Demographics on it's side. Small minority Rules only last for a little while.

[Tahuyaman]

Proof?


You made all the false claims. Don't ask me to prove your dumb claims.

[Tahuyaman]

I'd say most are true, the rest are a strong probability of becoming reality.


You know what's funny? A left wing hack makes a series of claims with nothing to support them. When someone says that they are false, the liberals says "prove it". For some reason they feel no need to support their idiotic claims with facts.

[Cigar]

You know what's funny? A left wing hack makes a series of claims with nothing to support them. When someone says that they are false, the liberals says "prove it". For some reason they feel no need to support their idiotic claims with facts.

Who cares about Facts?

[Tahuyaman]

Who cares about Facts?

Certainly not you.

[Cigar]

Number of Uninsured Drops 8.8 MillionPoverty Rate Holds Steady, but Number of Uninsured Drops


WASHINGTON — The number of people without health insurance dropped last year by 8.8 million, to a total of 33 million, but there was no statistically significant change in income for the typical American household, the Obama administration said Wednesday.

Median household income in the United States was $53,660 last year, the Census Bureau reported.

In addition, it said, there was no meaningful change in the official poverty rate — 14.8 percent in 2014. About 46.7 million people were in poverty, the bureau said.

This was the fourth consecutive year in which the number of people in poverty was not statistically different from the official estimate for the prior year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/17/us/politics/census-bureau-poverty-rate-uninsured.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/17/us/politics/census-bureau-poverty-rate-uninsured.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0)

[Crepitus]

You made all the false claims. Don't ask me to prove your dumb claims.
They aren't false claims. They are all things said by conservative media at one time or another to make Obamacare look bad. You have said they are false. If you can't prove that just admit it and move on.

[Redrose]

@Redrose (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1123) Salvery and Prohibition had Demographics on it's side. Small minority Rules only last for a little while.


A mjority of the country doesn't want the ACA as it is right now. Many want it totally repealed and replaced with a plan that will cover better and have fewer loopholes, and many want it revised, to make it better and more cost effective. I think it's fair to say everyone knows some plan is needed, but the ACA was poorly constructed. We can do better if we could set party politics aside and join forces to give people a really affordable healthcare plan with better coverage.

[Redrose]

@Redrose (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1123) Salvery and Prohibition had Demographics on it's side. Small minority Rules only last for a little while.


A majority of the country doesn't want the ACA as it is right now. Many want it totally repealed and replaced with a plan that will cover better and have fewer loopholes, and many want it revised, to make it better and more cost effective. I think it's fair to say everyone knows some plan is needed, but the ACA was poorly constructed. We can do better if we could set party politics aside and join forces to give people a really affordable healthcare plan with better coverage.

[Redrose]

You know what's funny? A left wing hack makes a series of claims with nothing to support them. When someone says that they are false, the liberals says "prove it". For some reason they feel no need to support their idiotic claims with facts.


When they have nothing they deny, distort and deflect. They've made that an art form.

[Professor Peabody]

Number of Uninsured Drops 8.8 Million

Poverty Rate Holds Steady, but Number of Uninsured Drops


WASHINGTON — The number of people without health insurance dropped last year by 8.8 million, to a total of 33 million, but there was no statistically significant change in income for the typical American household, the Obama administration said Wednesday.

Median household income in the United States was $53,660 last year, the Census Bureau reported.

In addition, it said, there was no meaningful change in the official poverty rate — 14.8 percent in 2014. About 46.7 million people were in poverty, the bureau said.

This was the fourth consecutive year in which the number of people in poverty was not statistically different from the official estimate for the prior year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/17/us/politics/census-bureau-poverty-rate-uninsured.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/17/us/politics/census-bureau-poverty-rate-uninsured.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0)

Obama Care was supposed to insure everyone, still having 33 million uninsured makes it an unmitigated failure.

[Tahuyaman]

They aren't false claims.

Prove they aren't. You made them, the onus is on you to prove your claims.

[Crepitus]

Prove they aren't. You made them, the onus is on you to prove your claims.
I didn't make those claims, I quoted them from various conservative news outlets.

Fox news says hackers can steal your life's saving if you sign up for obamacare:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb2hz_-LDlI

Don't sign up for Obamacare and go to jail :http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/2014/q1/what-s-the-penalty-for-not-participating-in-obamacare-prison/, http://mrconservative.com/2014/01/30053-sign-up-for-obamacare-or-go-to-jail/

Healthy people won't sign up: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/top-reasons-young-adults-sign-affordable-care-act/story?id=22690267

Obamacare will explode the deficit:http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/06/16/how-obamacare-will-further-explode-the-deficit/


There's the first few on my list, quotes from news organizations and others. people actually said these things. They did not happen.

Your turn to prove they did, IF you can.

[hanger4]

all of the GOP health care plans were simply tax cuts, and nothing more, ZERO of them ended the practice of denying health care to people with pre existing conditions. In fact, a few GOP plans called for the euthanization of anyone with any pre existing condition. Some even called for firing squads on public steps for people with debilitating conditions.

You've been shown already your statement is BS, now you're just lying.

[whatukno]

You've been shown already your statement is BS, now you're just lying.

They are 100% accurate according to "some sources say" the most accurate people FOX News cites constantly.

[Tahuyaman]

I didn't make those claims,

If you think they are wrong, prove it.