View Full Version : 75% in U.S. See Widespread Government Corruption
That number, and the timeline covered, pretty much makes it apply to BOTH major parties.
It is time for a major reset. Constitutional Convention, anyone? I say yes.
The fun part: anything can happen.
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/185759/widespread-government-corruption.aspx
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Peter1469
09-19-2015, 08:23 PM
25% are blind.
I would like a constitutional convention, but I fear the vote would be for greater Statism.
Tahuyaman
09-19-2015, 10:47 PM
I would like a constitutional convention, but I fear the vote would be for greater Statism.
I'm afraid that's true.
zelmo1234
09-20-2015, 06:03 AM
When the politicians stopped looking out for the people and started to consolidate power in DC, The end game was set in motion.
A Reset is what is needed, but a constitutional convention, is not the only way. the national debt will likely take care of the problem.
Peter1469
09-20-2015, 06:24 AM
When the politicians stopped looking out for the people and started to consolidate power in DC, The end game was set in motion.
A Reset is what is needed, but a constitutional convention, is not the only way. the national debt will likely take care of the problem.
Right. A crash and the smart people are prepared.
The Libs will be left in the dust.
whatukno
09-20-2015, 07:06 AM
Right. A crash and the smart people are prepared.
The Libs will be left in the dust.
How?
Common
09-20-2015, 07:09 AM
Of course the govt is corrupt, all large organizations are corrupt. Wall Street is corrupt, large corruptions are corrupt.
We can argue over whats the most corrupt the truth is anywhere theres humans theres corruption. Its up to other humans to control how much corruption they will accept
Right. A crash and the smart people are prepared.
The Libs will be left in the dust.
Just like what happened in the Soviet Union.
That turned out so well.
donttread
09-20-2015, 08:52 AM
25% are blind.
I would like a constitutional convention, but I fear the vote would be for greater Statism.
Exactly Peter. Who are these 25% and can I get there contact info so I start a company and sell them something ? Apparently they'll buy anything. We don't so much need a Constitiutional convention as we simply need to force these guys to follow the Constitution as is
Ransom
09-20-2015, 10:08 AM
If we'd require voters to be 27 years of age....... I'm all for a convention. Must be registered and ID'd to vote as well. No Seattle Seahawk fans, nobody who has ever cheered for Joe Montana...... nobody who don't like NASCAR. Must be a gun owner, have the carbon footprint of the common Yeti...... you gotta like fast cars, naked women, and Ted Nugent. If yer like that, step on up and vote.
If ya ain't, go protest wedding cake makers and check on Caitlyn Jenner's pending surgery for us too...... thanks.
Ransom
09-20-2015, 10:10 AM
Exactly Peter. Who are these 25% and can I get there contact info so I start a company and sell them something ? Apparently they'll buy anything. We don't so much need a Constitiutional convention as we simply need to force these guys to follow the Constitution as is
Obama was re-elected in 2012, those voters is your answer.
Mark III
09-20-2015, 10:38 AM
That number, and the timeline covered, pretty much makes it apply to BOTH major parties.
It is time for a major reset. Constitutional Convention, anyone? I say yes.
The fun part: anything can happen.
http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/ezhvy72yu0kktjori_5-6q.png
http://www.gallup.com/poll/185759/widespread-government-corruption.aspx
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I don't disagree with the result. What is missing though is the "fact" that corruption is widespread outside the government also. Cheating, in all walks of life, has been noted and substantial for many years. A survey a few years ago showed 2/3 of Americans saying that corruption in business is widespread. Corruption is everywhere. Yet we go on. It is all a work in progress, including government. Libertarians want to dump all government because some of it is corrupt. No can do.
Captain Obvious
09-20-2015, 10:56 AM
How?
Look at Greece.
They riot in the streets when demanded to pay for their entitlements.
Peter1469
09-20-2015, 10:57 AM
How?
Most of the libs are not prepared. And most think that more spending is the answer to our problems. Hence the coming crash. Include much of the GOP in this criticism as well.
Captain Obvious
09-20-2015, 10:58 AM
I don't disagree with the result. What is missing though is the "fact" that corruption is widespread outside the government also. Cheating, in all walks of life, has been noted and substantial for many years. A survey a few years ago showed 2/3 of Americans saying that corruption in business is widespread. Corruption is everywhere. Yet we go on. It is all a work in progress, including government. Libertarians want to dump all government because some of it is corrupt. No can do.
Those nasty libertarians...
I think most people, reasonable people, want legislative reform including campaign reform and stronger transparency and accountability.
What Hillary did smacks of establishment elitism and a great example of corruption.
Peter1469
09-20-2015, 10:58 AM
Just like what happened in the Soviet Union.
That turned out so well.
What do you mean?
Captain Obvious
09-20-2015, 10:58 AM
What do you mean?
Nobody's really sure.
whatukno
09-20-2015, 12:42 PM
Most of the libs are not prepared. And most think that more spending is the answer to our problems. Hence the coming crash. Include much of the GOP in this criticism as well.
Sounds like right wing fear mongering with a dash of doom porn.
whatukno
09-20-2015, 12:42 PM
Look at Greece.
They riot in the streets when demanded to pay for their entitlements.
That's Greece. This isn't Greece.
Peter1469
09-20-2015, 12:49 PM
Sounds like right wing fear mongering with a dash of doom porn.
You sound like the person looking for water and batteries (and beer) at the store the day before a storm hits. :wink:
whatukno
09-20-2015, 02:19 PM
You sound like the person looking for water and batteries (and beer) at the store the day before a storm hits. :wink:
Oh please, the rabid right has been saying the sky is falling since the moment that Obama was elected, it hasn't, it's not going to, things are not going to hell in a hand basket.
The Xl
09-20-2015, 02:24 PM
Surprised the number is so low
Most of the libs are not prepared. And most think that more spending is the answer to our problems. Hence the coming crash. Include much of the GOP in this criticism as well.
I've been hearing about this coming crash since at least 1968, the year I graduated from high school. I remember my father going on about it.
It's always been "just around the corner."
Just like the Rapture.
Right wing doom porn wishful thinking.
ANY DAY NOW!!!!!!1111!!!!!!
Oh please, the rabid right has been saying the sky is falling since the moment that Obama was elected, it hasn't, it's not going to, things are not going to hell in a hand basket.
They've actually been saying that for decades.
I think it answers a deep psychological need.
whatukno
09-20-2015, 03:08 PM
They've actually been saying that for decades.
I think it answers a deep psychological need.
Yes, they have, but it's seems to have gotten worse since this president. It's like the moment he was elected, certain people completely lost their shit.
Yes, they have, but it's seems to have gotten worse since this president. It's like the moment he was elected, certain people completely lost their $#@!.
Nah, it just came to the forefront. One in five people in this country have some form of mental illness.
http://www.newsweek.com/nearly-1-5-americans-suffer-mental-illness-each-year-230608
Every year, about 42.5 million American adults (or 18.2 percent of the total adult population in the United States) suffers from some mental illness, enduring conditions such as depression, bipolar disorder or schizophrenia, statistics released Friday reveal.
The data, compiled by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), also indicate that approximately 9.3 million adults, or about 4 percent of those Americans ages 18 and up, experience “serious mental illness” – that is, their condition impedes day-to-day activities, such as going to work.
Peter1469
09-20-2015, 06:20 PM
Oh please, the rabid right has been saying the sky is falling since the moment that Obama was elected, it hasn't, it's not going to, things are not going to hell in a hand basket.
You are babbling. I have been prepping long before Obama stained the world stage.
Peter1469
09-20-2015, 06:21 PM
Yes, they have, but it's seems to have gotten worse since this president. It's like the moment he was elected, certain people completely lost their shit.
That's gay.
whatukno
09-20-2015, 06:40 PM
You are babbling. I have been prepping long before Obama stained the world stage.
They have medication for Paranoid Schizophrenia
zelmo1234
09-20-2015, 06:56 PM
Yes, they have, but it's seems to have gotten worse since this president. It's like the moment he was elected, certain people completely lost their $#@!.
Do you think that could be, because President Obama doubled the national debt in just 8 years?
Could that have something to do with it.
Peter1469
09-20-2015, 06:56 PM
They have medication for Paranoid Schizophrenia
Take it.
zelmo1234
09-20-2015, 06:59 PM
What is really funny is the situation in Greece. The people of Greece did not believe it was going to happen either.
It will be great if most liberals don't see it coming. their loss I guess.
Peter1469
09-20-2015, 07:05 PM
What is really funny is the situation in Greece. The people of Greece did not believe it was going to happen either.
It will be great if most liberals don't see it coming. their loss I guess.
Most people here are sheep.
whatukno
09-20-2015, 07:11 PM
Take it.
I'm not the one thinking the world is about to end and preparing for it.
Peter1469
09-20-2015, 07:15 PM
I'm not the one thinking the world is about to end and preparing for it.
Hint: I don't either. Don't light up your joint, you will burn down your straw man.
Ransom
09-21-2015, 06:24 AM
Most people here are sheep.
Sheep or duck, Daffy, sheep or duck.
Ransom
09-21-2015, 06:38 AM
As an analogy, I remember 'super storm Sandy.' the very day after, I'm watching a woman with two small kids in tow...... her home still upright, the TV cameras filming her 'flood', 1 foot of water in her kitchen and downstairs....... she's whining to the cameras, there's "no food, no watah"
Uncle Ransom response had he been there: Ma'am....... you've got two children... and 1 day after this predicted for a week storm, you've no food..... or water?
Turn around, Ma'am?
What fore?
Your under arrest for child neglect and idiocy of the first magnitude.
Sheep or duck, Daffy, sheep or duck.
It's not sheep. It's rabbits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-k5J4RxQdE
Ransom
09-21-2015, 08:15 AM
OG, you're late for school.
OG, you're late for school.
I no longer teach.
donttread
09-21-2015, 08:55 AM
If we'd require voters to be 27 years of age....... I'm all for a convention. Must be registered and ID'd to vote as well. No Seattle Seahawk fans, nobody who has ever cheered for Joe Montana...... nobody who don't like NASCAR. Must be a gun owner, have the carbon footprint of the common Yeti...... you gotta like fast cars, naked women, and Ted Nugent. If yer like that, step on up and vote.
If ya ain't, go protest wedding cake makers and check on Caitlyn Jenner's pending surgery for us too...... thanks.
That's ridiculous even for you?
Ransom
09-21-2015, 11:07 AM
That's ridiculous even for you?
I remember it well, I was a young man.
Went to see Aerosmith......we were huge Aerosmith fans.
Their lead band........some Cat they called the Motor City Madman. Terrible Ted.
I'd never seen anyone shred a Birdlander, Ted Nugent can flat out rip guitar strings up. Talented Dude...and anyone who can't appreciate talent....don't need to vote.
No Donttread, you being an I am Cait Show fan doesn't qualify as talent. Sorry......you can't vote.
donttread
09-21-2015, 11:22 AM
I remember it well, I was a young man.
Went to see Aerosmith......we were huge Aerosmith fans.
Their lead band........some Cat they called the Motor City Madman. Terrible Ted.
I'd never seen anyone shred a Birdlander, Ted Nugent can flat out rip guitar strings up. Talented Dude...and anyone who can't appreciate talent....don't need to vote.
No Donttread, you being an I am Cait Show fan doesn't qualify as talent. Sorry......you can't vote.
Seek help both your fragile grip on reality and the ability to make sense are slopping away from you quickly
Ransom
09-21-2015, 05:25 PM
Seek help both your fragile grip on reality and the ability to make sense are slopping away from you quickly
Make a deal with you. I'll 'seek help' if you seek a US history book. But ya gotta read it rather than merely chew on the covers....
Deal?
Common Sense
09-21-2015, 05:26 PM
Well that explains a lot.
texan
09-21-2015, 06:40 PM
I not only believe it I have participated in lobbying and gov bids. I have seen at least 2 being bought and they are both still active. One is from Dallas and one is from Mass. The Mass guy took 20K in a brown paper bag. The other guy is now under FBI investigation as they raided his home. Of course they found like 200K in there......
Truth Detector
09-21-2015, 09:17 PM
That number, and the timeline covered, pretty much makes it apply to BOTH major parties.
It is time for a major reset. Constitutional Convention, anyone? I say yes.
The fun part: anything can happen.
http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/ezhvy72yu0kktjori_5-6q.png
http://www.gallup.com/poll/185759/widespread-government-corruption.aspx
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A Constitutional Convention to do what?
Truth Detector
09-21-2015, 09:30 PM
Government corruption isn't widespread despite public opinions.
But if you want to eliminate the corruption between Government and private industry you will have to do the following: (1) abolish the current abomination called the US Tax Code and supplant it with the Fair Tax; (2) implement term limits on Congress. Two six year terms for the Senate, three four year terms for the house; (3) abolish ALL Federal subsidies and; (4) abolish the departments of Agriculture, Education, HHS, energy, HUD, Labor and Transportation.
Anything less is mere wndow dressing.
A Constitutional Convention to do what?
To form a new government, obviously.
No, dipwit, to order pizza. DOH.
Government corruption isn't widespread despite public opinions.
But if you want to eliminate the corruption between Government and private industry you will have to do the following: (1) abolish the current abomination called the US Tax Code and supplant it with the Fair Tax; (2) implement term limits on Congress. Two six year terms for the Senate, three four year terms for the house; (3) abolish ALL Federal subsidies and; (4) abolish the departments of Agriculture, Education, HHS, energy, HUD, Labor and Transportation.
Anything less is mere wndow dressing.
Does that include roads?
What about military cost plus contracts?
Truth Detector
09-21-2015, 09:39 PM
To form a new government, obviously.
No, dipwit, to order pizza. DOH.
And what exactly would forming a new Government do genius boy?
Truth Detector
09-21-2015, 09:40 PM
Does that include roads?
What about military cost plus contracts?
Im amused that you think Federal funding of roads and the military are corporate giveaways. Not too bright are you? But you are full of ignorant presumptions.
And what exactly would forming a new Government do genius boy?
Why that would be up to the delegates, wouldn't it?
donttread
09-23-2015, 08:38 AM
Im amused that you think Federal funding of roads and the military are corporate giveaways. Not too bright are you? But you are full of ignorant presumptions.
They may not be corporate give aways but they are not Constitutional federal functions either
donttread
09-23-2015, 08:40 AM
Make a deal with you. I'll 'seek help' if you seek a US history book. But ya gotta read it rather than merely chew on the covers....
Deal?
History is written by the victors and true history must be assembled from many sources
Im amused that you think Federal funding of roads and the military are corporate giveaways. Not too bright are you? But you are full of ignorant presumptions.
I'm amused that your only response to my statement is sandbox ad hom name calling appropriate for small children.
Captain Obvious
09-23-2015, 08:53 AM
I'm amused that your only response to my statement is sandbox ad hom name calling appropriate for small children.
This guy is a total hack. The ignore button is your friend.
His smack is even lame. It's not so bad when trolls are witty and their smack is solid but the truly suck-ass trolls are like this guy, completely lame.
donttread
09-23-2015, 08:59 AM
That number, and the timeline covered, pretty much makes it apply to BOTH major parties.
It is time for a major reset. Constitutional Convention, anyone? I say yes.
The fun part: anything can happen.
http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/ezhvy72yu0kktjori_5-6q.png
http://www.gallup.com/poll/185759/widespread-government-corruption.aspx
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In a related story 25% of Americans now have sheep DNA
Subdermal
09-23-2015, 09:58 AM
If one understands human nature, one understands the impossibility of having a large Federal Government that isn't - by nature - utterly corrupt.
This guy is a total hack. The ignore button is your friend.
His smack is even lame. It's not so bad when trolls are witty and their smack is solid but the truly suck-ass trolls are like this guy, completely lame.
Pretty much. The worst thing is that he is boring.
If one understands human nature, one understands the impossibility of having a large Federal Government that isn't - by nature - utterly corrupt.
Or even a small one, for that matter.
Think outside the box?
I'd like to get creative on the corruption issue. Consider the consequences of having the following:
(1) pay all government officials, elected or otherwise, LOTS of money.
(2) have a "bounty" of LOTS of money (far more than they could possibly be bribed with) for turning in people who attempt to bribe them.
3) death penalty (or massive public shaming - perhaps tattooing all over, including the face, with "I am a crook") for people who attempt to bribe them.
(4) death penalty (or massive public shaming - perhaps tattooing all over, including the face, with "I am a crook") for the government official who falsely accuses someone of trying to bribe them.
For example, given the above, I would have no problem whatsoever in paying our Congresscritters $10 million per year, each. That's around $5.5 billion per year. Cheap at the price to get an honest government.
Common
09-23-2015, 12:50 PM
Its not the entire govt thats corrupt. Its the leaders that represent the entire govt that suck and that is congress.
Truth Detector
09-23-2015, 04:10 PM
They may not be corporate give aways but they are not Constitutional federal functions either
How are Federal funds for road building UNconstitutional; please elaborate.
Truth Detector
09-23-2015, 04:11 PM
I'm amused that your only response to my statement is sandbox ad hom name calling appropriate for small children.
Hate getting back what you dish out on the forum? Here; fill this out and get back to me someday when i give a shit.
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Truth Detector
09-23-2015, 04:13 PM
This guy is a total hack. The ignore button is your friend.
His smack is even lame. It's not so bad when trolls are witty and their smack is solid but the truly suck-ass trolls are like this guy, completely lame.
I cannot imagine a greater definintion of irony and zero self awareness.
But like I said, when you have decided to grow a pair and muster up the courage to put your political wisdom to the test against me, I will be waiting. Until then, I expect more of the same whiney cowardly trolling.
You're a lot like Obama, all blulster with little to back it up.
Truth Detector
09-23-2015, 04:14 PM
If one understands human nature, one understands the impossibility of having a large Federal Government that isn't - by nature - utterly corrupt.
Which is why Liberals can never comprehend the true failure of their ideology.
Truth Detector
09-23-2015, 04:15 PM
Pretty much. The worst thing is that he is boring.
You're cute when you cry. Here, fill this out and get back to me someday when I give a shit.
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Truth Detector
09-23-2015, 04:18 PM
Or even a small one, for that matter.
Think outside the box?
I'd like to get creative on the corruption issue. Consider the consequences of having the following:
(1) pay all government officials, elected or otherwise, LOTS of money.
(2) have a "bounty" of LOTS of money (far more than they could possibly be bribed with) for turning in people who attempt to bribe them.
3) death penalty (or massive public shaming - perhaps tattooing all over, including the face, with "I am a crook") for people who attempt to bribe them.
(4) death penalty (or massive public shaming - perhaps tattooing all over, including the face, with "I am a crook") for the government official who falsely accuses someone of trying to bribe them.
For example, given the above, I would have no problem whatsoever in paying our Congresscritters $10 million per year, each. That's around $5.5 billion per year. Cheap at the price to get an honest government.
Your suggestions are a pile of crap that would do NOTHING to reign in the corruption in Washington DC.
If you are serious, you would support an abolishment of the abomination called the tax code and institute the Fair consumption Tax as its replacement, argue for term limits in the Congress, support abolishing ALL Federal subsidies and the abolishing of the Departments of Dept of Agriculture, Education, HHS, energy, HUD, Labor and Transportation.
Anything less is mere windo dressing and will do nothing to turn this country around, eliminate Government corruption and create jobs.
Truth Detector
09-23-2015, 04:18 PM
Its not the entire govt thats corrupt. Its the leaders that represent the entire govt that suck and that is congress.
See above if you want REAL reform.
Subdermal
09-23-2015, 08:27 PM
Or even a small one, for that matter.
Human Nature is Evil at its core. As such, limiting the control an entity like Government has over its people is critical, and the Constitution was written with that in mind.
It is a necessary Evil.
Think outside the box?
I'd like to get creative on the corruption issue. Consider the consequences of having the following:
(1) pay all government officials, elected or otherwise, LOTS of money.
(2) have a "bounty" of LOTS of money (far more than they could possibly be bribed with) for turning in people who attempt to bribe them.
3) death penalty (or massive public shaming - perhaps tattooing all over, including the face, with "I am a crook") for people who attempt to bribe them.
(4) death penalty (or massive public shaming - perhaps tattooing all over, including the face, with "I am a crook") for the government official who falsely accuses someone of trying to bribe them.
For example, given the above, I would have no problem whatsoever in paying our Congresscritters $10 million per year, each. That's around $5.5 billion per year. Cheap at the price to get an honest government.
I would rather have a Federal Government unable to do anything more than the Constitution says it can do.
Human Nature is Evil at its core. As such, limiting the control an entity like Government has over its people is critical, and the Constitution was written with that in mind.
It is a necessary Evil.
There is no such thing as a necessary evil. And that statement by you, and your view of human nature, says much more about your moral stature that it does about the human species.
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