Tough test for gop leaders to ensure government stays open

[whatukno]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Congress' Republican leaders face stark tests as they fight to keep the government open past month's end, amid fears a shutdown could imperil their party's White House ambitions.


For House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, any wrong move could throw his very future into question, opening him to a threatened showdown vote on the floor of the House over whether he can remain in his job. If that happens, there is no certain outcome.


Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., must contend with the ambitions of several GOP presidential candidates. One of them, Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, has made it his business to oppose the Kentuckian at every turn, even taking to the Senate floor to accuse him of lying.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CONGRESS_GOP_CHALLENGES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-09-20-08-52-54

Ah breaking Reagan's 11th Commandment, a political nightmare on the horizon, a looming government shutdown that would all but completely ruin the GOP's white house chances, and cost them seats in both houses. What chaos, what Bedlam!

How's that Hillary scandal working out for y'all? Better hope you can keep the government from shutting down again, or the Dems can win the white house with a shaved monkey as a candidate.

Republicans have everything to lose this election. While it would be nearly impossible for the Dems to pick up the 30 seats needed to take back the House, if the GOP let's the government shut down again, it becomes quite the likely scenario. In the Senate, they only have 5 seats in the Senate to regain control.

So, are the GOP going to lose it all? Or are they going to side with the little people in this country for once instead of alienating every voting bloc they can by allowing Trump to pretty much assure their defeat come next November?

http://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Congress_elections,_2016

[Mac-7]

Obumer is the one threatening to shut down government

[donttread]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Congress' Republican leaders face stark tests as they fight to keep the government open past month's end, amid fears a shutdown could imperil their party's White House ambitions.


For House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, any wrong move could throw his very future into question, opening him to a threatened showdown vote on the floor of the House over whether he can remain in his job. If that happens, there is no certain outcome.


Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., must contend with the ambitions of several GOP presidential candidates. One of them, Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, has made it his business to oppose the Kentuckian at every turn, even taking to the Senate floor to accuse him of lying.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CONGRESS_GOP_CHALLENGES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-09-20-08-52-54

Ah breaking Reagan's 11th Commandment, a political nightmare on the horizon, a looming government shutdown that would all but completely ruin the GOP's white house chances, and cost them seats in both houses. What chaos, what Bedlam!

How's that Hillary scandal working out for y'all? Better hope you can keep the government from shutting down again, or the Dems can win the white house with a shaved monkey as a candidate.

Republicans have everything to lose this election. While it would be nearly impossible for the Dems to pick up the 30 seats needed to take back the House, if the GOP let's the government shut down again, it becomes quite the likely scenario. In the Senate, they only have 5 seats in the Senate to regain control.

So, are the GOP going to lose it all? Or are they going to side with the little people in this country for once instead of alienating every voting bloc they can by allowing Trump to pretty much assure their defeat come next November?

http://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Congress_elections,_2016

While a government shutdown may not be ideal , I think we can agree they do less damage when they do nothing at all

[hanger4]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Congress' Republican leaders face stark tests as they fight to keep the government open past month's end, amid fears a shutdown could imperil their party's White House ambitions.


For House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, any wrong move could throw his very future into question, opening him to a threatened showdown vote on the floor of the House over whether he can remain in his job. If that happens, there is no certain outcome.


Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., must contend with the ambitions of several GOP presidential candidates. One of them, Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, has made it his business to oppose the Kentuckian at every turn, even taking to the Senate floor to accuse him of lying.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CONGRESS_GOP_CHALLENGES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-09-20-08-52-54

Ah breaking Reagan's 11th Commandment, a political nightmare on the horizon, a looming government shutdown that would all but completely ruin the GOP's white house chances, and cost them seats in both houses. What chaos, what Bedlam!

How's that Hillary scandal working out for y'all? Better hope you can keep the government from shutting down again, or the Dems can win the white house with a shaved monkey as a candidate.

Republicans have everything to lose this election. While it would be nearly impossible for the Dems to pick up the 30 seats needed to take back the House, if the GOP let's the government shut down again, it becomes quite the likely scenario. In the Senate, they only have 5 seats in the Senate to regain control.

So, are the GOP going to lose it all? Or are they going to side with the little people in this country for once instead of alienating every voting bloc they can by allowing Trump to pretty much assure their defeat come next November?

http://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Congress_elections,_2016

The last time the Feds shut down (Oct. 2013) the Repub House gained 13 seats and the Rebub Senate gained a 5 seat majority. I guess your OP author and you know not of what you speak.

[Tahuyaman]

Obumer is the one threatening to shut down government

it doesn't matter. The media will continue to pound it out that the Republicans are at fault. They are at fault for every Obama administration failure.

[Peter1469]

If the government shuts down, ordinary Americas will be able to live freer.

[Mac-7]

it doesn't matter. The media will continue to pound it out that the Republicans are at fault. They are at fault for every Obama administration failure.

It does not help having spineless morons in the house and senate who don't know how to get their message out

[Tahuyaman]

It does not help having spineless morons in the house and senate who don't know how to get their message out


They wilt when the media pressures them.

[MisterVeritis]

it doesn't matter. The media will continue to pound it out that the Republicans are at fault. They are at fault for every Obama administration failure.
That is the most damning thing said about the liberal media. Truth is not relevant.

Let Obama shut the government down. While it is down the Congress needs to consider eliminating independent agencies. Education, for example spends a bit less that 70 billion a year. I know it takes lots of money to turn out American-hating Marxists. We can completely do without them.

[Tahuyaman]

The media is a very powerful force. It's nearly impossible to counter the media in America. Liberals figured that out a long time ago.

Once you you take over the education system and public information system, the rest is easy.

[Chris]

While a government shutdown may not be ideal , I think we can agree they do less damage when they do nothing at all

Exactly. Shut it down for God's sake!!

[zelmo1234]

Exactly. Shut it down for God's sake!!

I second the motion !

[Professor Peabody]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Congress' Republican leaders face stark tests as they fight to keep the government open past month's end, amid fears a shutdown could imperil their party's White House ambitions.


For House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, any wrong move could throw his very future into question, opening him to a threatened showdown vote on the floor of the House over whether he can remain in his job. If that happens, there is no certain outcome.


Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., must contend with the ambitions of several GOP presidential candidates. One of them, Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, has made it his business to oppose the Kentuckian at every turn, even taking to the Senate floor to accuse him of lying.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CONGRESS_GOP_CHALLENGES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-09-20-08-52-54

Ah breaking Reagan's 11th Commandment, a political nightmare on the horizon, a looming government shutdown that would all but completely ruin the GOP's white house chances, and cost them seats in both houses. What chaos, what Bedlam!

How's that Hillary scandal working out for y'all? Better hope you can keep the government from shutting down again, or the Dems can win the white house with a shaved monkey as a candidate.

Republicans have everything to lose this election. While it would be nearly impossible for the Dems to pick up the 30 seats needed to take back the House, if the GOP let's the government shut down again, it becomes quite the likely scenario. In the Senate, they only have 5 seats in the Senate to regain control.

So, are the GOP going to lose it all? Or are they going to side with the little people in this country for once instead of alienating every voting bloc they can by allowing Trump to pretty much assure their defeat come next November?

http://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Congress_elections,_2016

Ridiculous! The Republicans pass a budget through both houses and send it to Obama. He either signs it and keeps the Government open or veto's it and shuts the Government down. It's really that simple.

[Peter1469]

If the MSM wasn't hard left, this sort of nonsense wouldn't be the narrative.

[whatukno]

If the MSM wasn't hard left, this sort of nonsense wouldn't be the narrative.

It's the Associated Press, they are pretty unbiased.

[whatukno]

Exactly. Shut it down for God's sake!!

That wouldn't be good for the GOP's chances for the White House, many swing voters would blame the GOP for it and vote Democrat.

[whatukno]

Ridiculous! The Republicans pass a budget through both houses and send it to Obama. He either signs it and keeps the Government open or veto's it and shuts the Government down. It's really that simple.

That is, if they can pass a budget.

[Matty]

That wouldn't be good for the GOP's chances for the White House, many swing voters would blame the GOP for it and vote Democrat.


Don't think so, the country has been through four miserable years of steady decline under Democrats. I can't see any positives for Democrats at this point.

[whatukno]

Don't think so, the country has been through four miserable years of steady decline under Democrats. I can't see any positives for Democrats at this point.

And that's wrong too, unemployment is down, companies are enjoying record profits, gas prices are low. The only people that believe this country is in a hell hole death spiral are the hard line right wingers that listen to Rush, Levin, Beck, and FOX News.

[hanger4]

It's the Associated Press, they are pretty unbiased.

It's an opinion piece from AP. An OP that doesn't know history or counting on their readership to ignore recent history. When did the feds last shut down and what happened at the next election ??

[whatukno]

It's an opinion piece from AP. An OP that doesn't know history or counting on their readership to ignore recent history. When did the feds last shut down and what happened at the next election ??

Yes I know, the "great shelacking", of course what happened in the 90's?

[Matty]

And that's wrong too, unemployment is down, companies are enjoying record profits, gas prices are low. The only people that believe this country is in a hell hole death spiral are the hard line right wingers that listen to Rush, Levin, Beck, and FOX News.



The country has been flooded with thousands of un educated low wage illegal aliens, the middle class is shrinking because of that. Not, as the Democrats would have you believe that it's because the rich get richer. Energy costs are up, food prices are up. Ninety three million Americans are unemployed. The growth rate is what? Under 2%. Yes, we're in fine shape. More people than ever depend on food stamps. I cannot see a positive from Democrat policy.


oh, and to add. I don't listen to any of the pundits.

[Mac-7]

The country has been flooded with thousands of un educated low wage illegal aliens, the middle class is shrinking because of that. Not, as the Democrats would have you believe that it's because the rich get richer. Energy costs are up, food prices are up. Ninety three million Americans are unemployed. The growth rate is what? Under 2%. Yes, we're in fine shape. More people than ever depend on food stamps. I cannot see a positive from Democrat policy.


oh, and to add. I don't listen to any of the pundits.

America is the progressive society that liberal socialists created.

It sucks, but at least the left got what they wanted.

[hanger4]

Yes I know, the "great shelacking", of course what happened in the 90's?

Hell of a difference between now and nearly 20 years ago. Clinton and Gingrich were open to compromise. Partisanship is deeper now. The economy, then and now. Obama's my way or the highway attitude plus seemingly always assigning blame.

[donttread]

That wouldn't be good for the GOP's chances for the White House, many swing voters would blame the GOP for it and vote Democrat.


We'd have a better congress if we elected them via lottery

[Mac-7]

We'd have a better congress if we elected them via lottery

The problem is republican leadership.

If the majority leader and speaker were elected by republican base voters it wouldn't be McConnell and Boehnor.

[Chris]

That wouldn't be good for the GOP's chances for the White House, many swing voters would blame the GOP for it and vote Democrat.

It wouldn't be good for Democrats either. Many would blame them. But most, I think, expect compromise, so would blame both parties for being unable to do that. In the end, government looks bad.

[whatukno]

We'd have a better congress if we elected them via lottery

I could not agree more.

[whatukno]

It wouldn't be good for Democrats either. Many would blame them. But most, I think, expect compromise, so would blame both parties for being unable to do that. In the end, government looks bad.

With their approval ratings in the toilet, you have a point.

[whatukno]

Hell of a difference between now and nearly 20 years ago. Clinton and Gingrich were open to compromise. Partisanship is deeper now. The economy, then and now. Obama's my way or the highway attitude plus seemingly always assigning blame.

Republicans weren't elected to govern, and the people are waking up to that fact and aren't happy about it, paying someone to do absolutely nothing? I think the writing is on the wall for Republicans this election.

[whatukno]

The country has been flooded with thousands of un educated low wage illegal aliens, the middle class is shrinking because of that. Not, as the Democrats would have you believe that it's because the rich get richer. Energy costs are up, food prices are up. Ninety three million Americans are unemployed. The growth rate is what? Under 2%. Yes, we're in fine shape. More people than ever depend on food stamps. I cannot see a positive from Democrat policy.


oh, and to add. I don't listen to any of the pundits.

Yes, but they take low wage jobs that Americans won't do, it doesn't affect the middle class, low wages and middle class don't equate. Energy costs are actually down, food prices are up this is true, and no nearly a third of the country isn't unemployed, where the fuck did you pull that number out of?

I mean if you are going to repeat zombie lies, least use the fresh ones.

[donttread]

The problem is republican leadership.

If the majority leader and speaker were elected by republican base voters it wouldn't be McConnell and Boehnor.

Sigh, the problem is all of them

[Peter1469]

And that's wrong too, unemployment is down, companies are enjoying record profits, gas prices are low. The only people that believe this country is in a hell hole death spiral are the hard line right wingers that listen to Rush, Levin, Beck, and FOX News.

That is an ignorant statement.

Take the labor force participation rate for example. It is the lowest it has been since the 1970s. And it is younger people out of work as opposed to older people.

That is a very serious long term problem.

[Professor Peabody]

That is, if they can pass a budget.

Why is it an "if"? It will be a budget Obama won't like. They just need to make a BIG media splash about passing it and sending it to Obama. The the Government shut down will be on dumbo ears if he refuses to sign it.

[MisterVeritis]

We need a wall of separation between government and education.

The media is a very powerful force. It's nearly impossible to counter the media in America. Liberals figured that out a long time ago.

Once you you take over the education system and public information system, the rest is easy.

[Professor Peabody]

Once you you take over the education system and public information system, the rest is easy.

Till the civil war starts that is.

[Tahuyaman]

We need a wall of separation between government and education.

I would agree with that somewhat. I think it's the function of local government to ensure our children have a quality education system available to them.

The federal government has no business telling the people of Mountain Home, Idaho that their public school system must be comprised the same curriculum as those in New York City or Washington DC.

[Tahuyaman]

Till the civil war starts that is.


If you control the information deceminated to the public and control the way you develop their thinking skills, you can indoctrinate people and avoid this civil war.

[Truth Detector]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Congress' Republican leaders face stark tests as they fight to keep the government open past month's end, amid fears a shutdown could imperil their party's White House ambitions.


For House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, any wrong move could throw his very future into question, opening him to a threatened showdown vote on the floor of the House over whether he can remain in his job. If that happens, there is no certain outcome.


Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., must contend with the ambitions of several GOP presidential candidates. One of them, Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, has made it his business to oppose the Kentuckian at every turn, even taking to the Senate floor to accuse him of lying.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CONGRESS_GOP_CHALLENGES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-09-20-08-52-54

Ah breaking Reagan's 11th Commandment, a political nightmare on the horizon, a looming government shutdown that would all but completely ruin the GOP's white house chances, and cost them seats in both houses. What chaos, what Bedlam!

How's that Hillary scandal working out for y'all? Better hope you can keep the government from shutting down again, or the Dems can win the white house with a shaved monkey as a candidate.

Republicans have everything to lose this election. While it would be nearly impossible for the Dems to pick up the 30 seats needed to take back the House, if the GOP let's the government shut down again, it becomes quite the likely scenario. In the Senate, they only have 5 seats in the Senate to regain control.

So, are the GOP going to lose it all? Or are they going to side with the little people in this country for once instead of alienating every voting bloc they can by allowing Trump to pretty much assure their defeat come next November?

http://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Congress_elections,_2016

LMAO @ the notion that Democrats have a shot at the White House in 2016. That's effing funny.

Meanwhile, in the incredibly homogenous white Democratic campaign, choice barely exists.

[Truth Detector]

While a government shutdown may not be ideal , I think we can agree they do less damage when they do nothing at all

It's always refreshing to see people who GET IT. I am amused by the idiot claims that we need Congress to work; it was designed for exactly the OPPOSITE.

Further proof of how badly our leftist liberal educational establishment is failing our society.

[Professor Peabody]

If you control the information deceminated to the public and control the way you develop their thinking skills, you can indoctrinate people and avoid this civil war. At least until they figure out what you're doing, then that person is next in the cross-hairs.

[Truth Detector]

It does not help having spineless morons in the house and senate who don't know how to get their message out

The issue is this; that unless they are willing to excersize the nuclear option to get anything out of the Senate over a fillibuster by the Democrats, nothing can reach Obama's desk.

I cannot understand why Libertarians and uber Conservatives don't comprehend this simple FACT and blame Republicans who have a marginal majority in a Senate still fillibustering and covering for Obama.

What do you suggest they do? Destroy the ability for the minority party to fillibuster? That way, the next time OUR guys are in the minority, the majority can ride roughshod over the minority????

If Conservatives want REAL change, put a Republican in the White House and greater majorities in the Senate. Then you will see things start to move. Until then, expect more obfusctations from the hate filled leftist minority led by the equally caustic and dishonest dirty Harry Reid.

[Truth Detector]

They wilt when the media pressures them.

It's not about wilting; it is about how to overcome the fillibustering Democrats in the Senate led by Dirty HarrY Reid.

[Truth Detector]

Ridiculous! The Republicans pass a budget through both houses and send it to Obama. He either signs it and keeps the Government open or veto's it and shuts the Government down. It's really that simple.

No it is not; you cannot pass a budget in the Senate thanks to Dirty Harry Reid. Democrats are fillibustering anything that they do not like to prevent Obama from even having to veto anything.

Until you have a 2/3rds margin to pass things out past the fillibuster, this is how things will continue to go until voters dump assholes like Dirty Harry Reid.

[Tahuyaman]

It's not about wilting; it is about how to overcome the fillibustering Democrats in the Senate led by Dirty HarrY Reid.


You do that by not wilting.

[Bob]

And that's wrong too, unemployment is down, companies are enjoying record profits, gas prices are low. The only people that believe this country is in a hell hole death spiral are the hard line right wingers that listen to Rush, Levin, Beck, and FOX News.

Record profits is the last thing Democrats want to happen. And how can you keep ignoring the correct number for those not working. The U6 is the far better rate.

The unemployment number that is most often used in the media (and by the government) is known as the "U-3". This number was 8.1% in February of 2009.

The "U-6" is considered to be a broader measure of the unemployment situation in the United States.

The "U-6" includes two groups of people that the "U-3" does not:

1. "Marginally attached workers" - people who are not actively looking for work, but who have indicated that they want a job and have looked for work (without success) sometime in the past 12 months. This class also includes "discouraged workers" who have completely given up on finding a job because they feel that they just won't find one.

2. People who are looking for full-time work but have to settle on a part-time job due to economic reasons. This means that they want full-time work, but can't find it.

Two pretty important groups of people, no?

http://www.davemanuel.com/investor-dictionary/u6-unemployment-rate/

[Truth Detector]

You do that by not wilting.

Do what? Watch your bills dissapear by fillibusters?

[Truth Detector]

Record profits is the last thing Democrats want to happen. And how can you keep ignoring the correct number for those not working. The U6 is the far better rate.

The unemployment number that is most often used in the media (and by the government) is known as the "U-3". This number was 8.1% in February of 2009.

The "U-6" is considered to be a broader measure of the unemployment situation in the United States.

The "U-6" includes two groups of people that the "U-3" does not:

1. "Marginally attached workers" - people who are not actively looking for work, but who have indicated that they want a job and have looked for work (without success) sometime in the past 12 months. This class also includes "discouraged workers" who have completely given up on finding a job because they feel that they just won't find one.

2. People who are looking for full-time work but have to settle on a part-time job due to economic reasons. This means that they want full-time work, but can't find it.

Two pretty important groups of people, no?

http://www.davemanuel.com/investor-dictionary/u6-unemployment-rate/

What clueless liberals also don't comprehend is that not ALL corporations are experiencing record profits and that those who are, are doing so by buying their competition or laying off workers and cutting costs.

[Tahuyaman]

Do what? Watch your bills dissapear by fillibusters?

The Republicans will never stand firm if their supporters don't demand it. Every time they cave in, people who supposedly call themselves conservatives try to explain it away.

[Bob]

The issue is this; that unless they are willing to excersize the nuclear option to get anything out of the Senate over a fillibuster by the Democrats, nothing can reach Obama's desk.

I cannot understand why Libertarians and uber Conservatives don't comprehend this simple FACT and blame Republicans who have a marginal majority in a Senate still fillibustering and covering for Obama.

What do you suggest they do? Destroy the ability for the minority party to fillibuster? That way, the next time OUR guys are in the minority, the majority can ride roughshod over the minority????

If Conservatives want REAL change, put a Republican in the White House and greater majorities in the Senate. Then you will see things start to move. Until then, expect more obfusctations from the hate filled leftist minority led by the equally caustic and dishonest dirty Harry Reid.

The left wing media polishers realize this. But they will say republicans shut it down because they love lying that much.

[Bob]

What clueless liberals also don't comprehend is that not ALL corporations are experiencing record profits and that those who are, are doing so by buying their competition or laying off workers and cutting costs.

We are having some large lay offs here.

[Lineman]

Term limits.

[Truth Detector]

Term limits.

This is a GOOD start; then we also need to fight for the "Fair Tax" and eliminate the abomination called the tax code. Tweaking is not a solution.

After that, lets also rid ourselves of Dept of Agriculture, Education, HHS, energy, HUD, Labor and Transportation and eliminate ALL Federal subsidies.

[Professor Peabody]

No it is not; you cannot pass a budget in the Senate thanks to Dirty Harry Reid. Democrats are fillibustering anything that they do not like to prevent Obama from even having to veto anything.

Until you have a 2/3rds margin to pass things out past the fillibuster, this is how things will continue to go until voters dump $#@!s like Dirty Harry Reid.

Use the nuclear option to send it to Obummer.

[MisterVeritis]

I would agree with that somewhat. I think it's the function of local government to ensure our children have a quality education system available to them.

The federal government has no business telling the people of Mountain Home, Idaho that their public school system must be comprised the same curriculum as those in New York City or Washington DC.
Local government perhaps. It would be far better if government played no role in education just as it should play no role in religion.

[Tahuyaman]

Local government perhaps. It would be far better if government played no role in education just as it should play no role in religion.


I think our education system is the business of the lowest tier of government. Cities are responsible to administer their systems as well as counties. State government and above should stay out.

[Cigar]

Bill to avoid government shutdown moves in CongressSource: Yahoo! News / Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican leaders in the U.S. Congress on Thursday began advancing bills urgently needed to avoid federal agency shutdowns on Oct. 1 while navigating conservatives' demands to punish Planned Parenthood over an abortion controversy.

The Senate defeated Republican efforts to use a funding extension bill to cut off money to Planned Parenthood, clearing the way for a version without that provision that extends all previous funding through Dec. 11.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky has set the first procedural vote on that measure for Monday, two days before the federal fiscal year ends on Sept. 30.

House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner, meanwhile, laid out similar options in a closed-door meeting with Republican conservatives, who oppose any spending bill allowing federal funds to go to Planned Parenthood amid allegations that it improperly sold tissue harvested from aborted fetuses.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-threatens-veto-budget-bill-defunding-planned-165905855--sector.html

[rembrant]

Obumer is the one threatening to shut down governmentTake a class ..read a book. Obama ain't who could or would "shut Down" Govt. IDIOTS.. are told that by IDIOT MAGNET websites.. but.. who CARES.. they will be BAGGAGE we have to put up with. Fringe Nutjobs feel that another wild TANTRUM will achieve... well.....they never figured it that far. Once in the "House" sick little turds will do what other petty turds expected when they elected.

[rembrant]

I think our education system is the business of the lowest tier of government. Cities are responsible to administer their systems as well as counties. State government and above should stay out.

And mostly do.. but that's another thread.. and some towns just lack the funding base. About 50 yr from me is the "city limits' It makes a HUGE difference in where your kids goes to school. On this side of the line.. real high rank schools. Other side.. NOT so good. The CITY.. we are on the EDGE of....is BIG, lots of $$ happening.. but the folks with $$$, live in a RING of small satallite cities (common pattern) and who's in the City? Mostly people who got few options. They can't pay much tax, they need at least as much Services. The MANY "satalilles" rely on the BIG City as the area CORE.. but...are in effect.. tax havens. It USED to also be racial, but now areas once "de-Facto" Segregated ain't...it's CLASS, It's income. Minorities are more apt to be "low" income.. but ..fact is there's Poor Whites also.

So..Bubba.... the State/Fed $ ain't needed to fund the schools in "upscale" suburbs. It IS needed so the City schools function. Here.. a Family in the Subs makes their MONEY in the City.. pays no tax there. The City is a local "cash cow "and you got to feed the cows.

[hanger4]

Take a class ..read a book. Obama ain't who could or would "shut Down" Govt. IDIOTS.. are told that by IDIOT MAGNET websites.. but.. who CARES.. they will be BAGGAGE we have to put up with. Fringe Nutjobs feel that another wild TANTRUM will achieve... well.....they never figured it that far. Once in the "House" sick little turds will do what other petty turds expected when they elected.

Who chooses to 'shut down Government' if PP isn't funded ?? Obama, and the Democrats. PP needs no tax payer funding, ACA has got nearly all of PP's services covered.

[Peter1469]

Take a class ..read a book. Obama ain't who could or would "shut Down" Govt. IDIOTS.. are told that by IDIOT MAGNET websites.. but.. who CARES.. they will be BAGGAGE we have to put up with. Fringe Nutjobs feel that another wild TANTRUM will achieve... well.....they never figured it that far. Once in the "House" sick little turds will do what other petty turds expected when they elected.

Can you rewrite that in a calm collected manner that gets your point across?

Or not?

[rembrant]

I can charge YOU with..war crimes, Pedophilia, selling black market stem cells.. it's not true.. but who cares?

planned Parenhood KNOWS they are a TARGET. Their efforts to serve Women who the Right wingers do not approve of..makes them a TARGET. If they really COULD "sell" Stem Cell/Fetus matter to the high bid..they would not need any funding. The TRUTH (ignore this) is they only can get paid the cost of shipping/handling. Who GETS it.. can charge whoever..serious $.

Roe V Wade says.. a woman has a RIGHT to "not be pregnant" even if she was careless, slutty, whatever. Anti Woman tyrants and Taliban Christians want Abortion to go back to the "good old days" of underground and unsafe> Serves them teen Sluts right for getting knocked up. I heard on the News that the few clinics near here may be forced to close. So much for "rights" Next you know.. colored folk will have to ride in the back of the bus cause right wingers did some loophole. It's shameful.


Carly Fiorinna started with a FRAUD vid, then added LIES not in the fraud Vid. It would NOT hold up in any court as valid evidence.. but..the FUN thing is Repubs in the House..don't give a CRAP. They have subverted laws they HATE for DECADES ..as they try to invent laws that don't exist about shyt that never happened.

[rembrant]

Can you rewrite that in a calm collected manner that gets your point across?

Or not? I say what I say. Ask me If I CARE if you object.

[rembrant]

I say what I say. Ask me If I CARE if you object. That WAS my Calm manner. Ya wanna see me go full tilt? I don't think so.

This site is FULL of crap,plenty of lies, enough nasty to fill a barge..go nag someone else. I see damn little Kind and gentle here. I deal with Kind folks out in the REAL world.I'm VERY kind to kind folks. On Political forums..they get bullied, and give up. I fight back. You want me to be NICE.. how about everyone skips the Lies, the hate, the stupid crap?

[rembrant]

Local government perhaps. It would be far better if government played no role in education just as it should play no role in religion. And so.. anyone unable to PAY private school $ to send a kid (or several) to school is out of luck? The "class Warfare " types WANT to kill Public Schools (among other things. They are FOOLS though. We can't take an unequal system and make it FAR WORSE. People tend to get angry when the game is rigged,life is hopeless. There's 300 MILLION Guns in America,so, a bunch of very pissed folks makes MY life more dangerous. Yours too.

[Peter1469]

Roe V Wade says.. a woman has a RIGHT to "not be pregnant" even if she was careless, slutty, whatever.




That is not what Roe v. Wade said.

It said science (in 1971) couldn't tell us when life starts. There is no death until there is life. So the court created a balancing test to give women more authority in the first two trimesters and the state more authority in the last.

Essentially the Court found that there was no death in the first two trimesters. If there is no death, there is no legal issue. That is important. Once the law recognizes that a death has occurred then there is centuries of case law to determine whether the homicide (taking of life, or death by other than natural causes) was justified or unjustified.

If Roe is ever examined in its context today, the result will be very different. Science is much more certain about when life begins.

The hard left does not want this to happen.

[Peter1469]

I say what I say. Ask me If I CARE if you object.

OK. The answer was no.

That is all you had to say. It would have saved you some key-strokes. :wink:

[Peter1469]

That WAS my Calm manner. Ya wanna see me go full tilt? I don't think so.

This site is FULL of crap,plenty of lies, enough nasty to fill a barge..go nag someone else. I see damn little Kind and gentle here. I deal with Kind folks out in the REAL world.I'm VERY kind to kind folks. On Political forums..they get bullied, and give up. I fight back. You want me to be NICE.. how about everyone skips the Lies, the hate, the stupid crap?

Argue your positions and don't attack members. Is that hard?

Other sites encourage people to attack each other. There is always that option.

[zelmo1234]

And so.. anyone unable to PAY private school $ to send a kid (or several) to school is out of luck? The "class Warfare " types WANT to kill Public Schools (among other things. They are FOOLS though. We can't take an unequal system and make it FAR WORSE. People tend to get angry when the game is rigged,life is hopeless. There's 300 MILLION Guns in America,so, a bunch of very pissed folks makes MY life more dangerous. Yours too.

If you are looking at people to blame for the poor not being able afford private education? look no further than the democratic party and liberals.

Conservatives and most republicans have been pushing for school vouchers for decades, and it has been blocked by Democrats nearly every time. the reason is two fold, sure they do not want children actually educated because people that can think for themselves don't need big government, but more important is that donations received by the education union.

Here in MI each child is worth almost 13K to a school district, more than enough for a high quality private education.

[Common]

If you are looking at people to blame for the poor not being able afford private education? look no further than the democratic party and liberals.

Conservatives and most republicans have been pushing for school vouchers for decades, and it has been blocked by Democrats nearly every time. the reason is two fold, sure they do not want children actually educated because people that can think for themselves don't need big government, but more important is that donations received by the education union.

Here in MI each child is worth almost 13K to a school district, more than enough for a high quality private education.


School vouchers are worthless to the poor, school vouchers pay for a pittance of private school costs. School vouchers are gimmes to those that can already afford private schools

Private Schools in NJ have failed, Chris Piggy touted them and gave them tax incentives to open, most have closed.

[hanger4]

School vouchers are worthless to the poor, school vouchers pay for a pittance of private school costs. School vouchers are gimmes to those that can already afford private schools

Private Schools in NJ have failed, Chris Piggy touted them and gave them tax incentives to open, most have closed.

According to data from the Nation Center for Education Statistics, the average price of a year of private elementary school is $7,770, and the average annual cost of private high school is $13,030. ....
http://www.privateschoolreview.com/tuition-stats/private-school-cost-by-state .... Average per student public school cost. .... http://www.google.com/search?oq=average+cost+per+student+pub&aqs=mobile-gws-lite.0.0l5&q=average+cost+per+student+public+school

[Common]

According to data from the Nation Center for Education Statistics, the average price of a year of private elementary school is $7,770, and the average annual cost of private high school is $13,030. ....
http://www.privateschoolreview.com/tuition-stats/private-school-cost-by-state .... Average per student public school cost. .... http://www.google.com/search?oq=average+cost+per+student+pub&aqs=mobile-gws-lite.0.0l5&q=average+cost+per+student+public+school

You made my point, giving the poor 2,000 dollar vouchers for a 13,000 a year school does what for them exactly WHAT CHOICE does it give them.

Like I said hangar school vouchers are tax give backs to those that can already afford private schools

Without public education more than 2/3s of the country couldnt afford to go to school.

[Peter1469]

You made my point, giving the poor 2,000 dollar vouchers for a 13,000 a year school does what for them exactly WHAT CHOICE does it give them.

Like I said hangar school vouchers are tax give backs to those that can already afford private schools

Without public education more than 2/3s of the country couldnt afford to go to school.

Yes, vouchers are for optics, not results. Rich people don't want poor kids in their schools.

[MisterVeritis]

I think our education system is the business of the lowest tier of government. Cities are responsible to administer their systems as well as counties. State government and above should stay out.
It is time to change that. Governments corrupt.

[MisterVeritis]

Take a class ..read a book. Obama ain't who could or would "shut Down" Govt. IDIOTS.. are told that by IDIOT MAGNET websites.. but.. who CARES.. they will be BAGGAGE we have to put up with. Fringe Nutjobs feel that another wild TANTRUM will achieve... well.....they never figured it that far. Once in the "House" sick little turds will do what other petty turds expected when they elected.
Do you have any idea what you were trying to type?

[MisterVeritis]

And so.. anyone unable to PAY private school $ to send a kid (or several) to school is out of luck? The "class Warfare " types WANT to kill Public Schools (among other things. They are FOOLS though. We can't take an unequal system and make it FAR WORSE. People tend to get angry when the game is rigged,life is hopeless. There's 300 MILLION Guns in America,so, a bunch of very pissed folks makes MY life more dangerous. Yours too.
Without government corruption schools, or educational experiences, would be available at a wide variety of price points. Parents and others could choose what is important to them and buy the kinds of educational experiences they wanted.

Government corrupts everything it touches. It is time to build a wall of separation between government and education.

[Tahuyaman]

It is time to change that. Governments corrupt.

government at the local level is much more difficult to corrupt than government at the state and federal levels.

[MisterVeritis]

government at the local level is much more difficult to corrupt than government at the state and federal levels.
I don't know about that. The stakes are lower.

It is time to separate government at all levels from education at all levels.

[Tahuyaman]

I don't know about that. The stakes are lower.

It is time to separate government at all levels from education at all levels.

I disagree. The education system in a city or county should be run by those individual cities and counties.

[Professor Peabody]

That is, if they can pass a budget.

They passed a bunch of them in the House when Hapless Harry the Cow Poop Poet was in charge of the Senate who promptly killed them. No such situation exists today. You really think the Democrats in the House and Senate would have the spine to vote against it considering the losses in 2010 and 2014?

[Mac-7]

You made my point, giving the poor 2,000 dollar vouchers for a 13,000 a year school does what for them exactly WHAT CHOICE does it give them. Like I said hangar school vouchers are tax give backs to those that can already afford private schools Without public education more than 2/3s of the country couldnt afford to go to school.

The public schools are overpriced.We can give more than a $2,000 voucher - enough to pay for a no frills private school.

But the money for that would come from the overpriced public school system and that is what the corrupt public teachers union objects to.

[MisterVeritis]

I disagree. The education system in a city or county should be run by those individual cities and counties.
At one point not that long ago people believed the same about church and state. Education is a good/service that should be purchased by the end user.

[Tahuyaman]

At one point not that long ago people believed the same about church and state.

not in America anyway.

[MisterVeritis]

not in America anyway.
I do not know what this means.

[Tahuyaman]

I do not know what this means.

America has always been about the separation of church and state. Never has America supported the idea of government run churches. However local government does and should operate public schools.

[MisterVeritis]

America has always been about the separation of church and state. Never has America supported the idea of government run churches. However local government does and should operate public schools.
This is not true.

Only the Federal government was prohibited from having a national church. The concept of a separation of church and state is not in the Constitution.

Now it is time to be as mindful about other obscene relationships. We should have a wall of separation between healthcare and state, between education and state, between energy production and state, between commerce and state...

[Tahuyaman]

One can't have a debate with people who can't even acknowledge basic truths.

[Truth Detector]

America has always been about the separation of church and state. Never has America supported the idea of government run churches. However local government does and should operate public schools.

Once again it is NOT a "separation" clause but an "establishment" clause.

[Peter1469]

Several colonies had official religions and those continued for a while after the Constitution.

[MisterVeritis]

One can't have a debate with people who can't even acknowledge basic truths.
Have you read any of the debates about secular government? One group wanted all churches supported. Another wanted no churches supported. The basic truth is the no support people won out at the federal level. States were not prohibited from having established churches.

Now we need to do the same for education and health care. We need walls of separation.

I do not hold it against you that you cannot acknowledge basic truths. :-)

[donttread]

I disagree. The education system in a city or county should be run by those individual cities and counties.

I think regaining state control of education is the first step, then they can maximize local influence instead of just giving it lip service

[MisterVeritis]

I think regaining state control of education is the first step, then they can maximize local influence instead of just giving it lip service
Why would anyone want the state to control their education?

Does the state choose your groceries, your clothing, your car? Look how far we have fallen. Parents must regain control of their children's educations. Not the state. Not the federal government. In fact no politicians should have any say or control over education.

[Common]

According to data from the Nation Center for Education Statistics, the average price of a year of private elementary school is $7,770, and the average annual cost of private high school is $13,030. ....
http://www.privateschoolreview.com/tuition-stats/private-school-cost-by-state .... Average per student public school cost. .... http://www.google.com/search?oq=average+cost+per+student+pub&aqs=mobile-gws-lite.0.0l5&q=average+cost+per+student+public+school

So whats your point ? Its exactly what I said it is, school vouchers mean nothing to most of the country that couldnt afford private schools. Its a tax gimme to the most affluent

[hanger4]

So whats your point ? Its exactly what I said it is, school vouchers mean nothing to most of the country that couldnt afford private schools. Its a tax gimme to the most affluent

Just putting some numbers mostly. But most of the voucher system I've read about per state pay 40 to 45 hundred and all were based on financial need. Add to that the Fed plan talked about about 25 hundred you could have 6 - 7 thousand. Plus there were other needs considered that pay all costs. Is it enough, no, but it's not a tax give away to the rich.