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Cigar
08-16-2012, 11:01 AM
This week, the Romney/Ryan campaign has twisted itself into a pretzel attacking President Obama for “stealing” $716 billion from Medicare, while trying to explain why Paul Ryan included the savings in his FY 2013 budget.


The infographic below offers a rundown of the campaign’s contortions from Sunday’s proclamations that Romney would have signed the Ryan budget and its Medicare cuts into law, to Romney’s announcement on Tuesday that he would restore the Medicare savings that both Ryan and Obama supported:

For those who can't read it ... Click-It or Stick-It http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/08/16/698261/infographic-everything-you-need-to-know-about-romneys-dishonesty-on-medicare/

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/chasc5/medicare-madness-171.png

Ok ... here's we go again ... Ready ... Set .... Make your excuses ... :)

coolwalker
08-16-2012, 12:15 PM
Why don't you just spin off the face of the earth for the good of humanity?

Cigar
08-16-2012, 12:26 PM
:finger:Make Me !

Mainecoons
08-16-2012, 01:25 PM
Stink Progress. :rofl:

Peter1469
08-16-2012, 04:33 PM
Obama's plan takes the $716B from Medicare and shifts it to other parts of Obamacare.

Under Ryan's plan, a savings of $700B or so is put back into Medicare to help keep it solvent.

A tad bit of a difference...

JohnAdams
08-21-2012, 03:05 AM
Oh please spare us the boohoo Mitt lies crap.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/false/?page=1 (http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/false/?page=1)
[QUOTE]Mitt Romney "says the Arizona immigration law should be a model for the nation."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/jul/17/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-mitt-romney-calls-arizona-immigr/)Romney touted a different law (http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/jul/17/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-mitt-romney-calls-arizona-immigr/)



Says Mitt Romney would deny gay people the right to adopt children.http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/14/barack-obama/obama-ad-says-romney-opposes-gay-adoption/)Romney's own words say otherwise (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/14/barack-obama/obama-ad-says-romney-opposes-gay-adoption/)



"The only time government employment has gone down during a recession has been under me."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/10/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-government-job-losses-his-watch-/)In some ways, losses were bigger under Reagan (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/10/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-government-job-losses-his-watch-/)


"Under the Romney/Ryan budget, interest rates on federal student loans would be allowed to double."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/04/barack-obama/barack-obamas-life-julia-tool-says-mitt-romney-wou/)Wrong or misleading from several angles (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/04/barack-obama/barack-obamas-life-julia-tool-says-mitt-romney-wou/)






If the Supreme Court throws out the federal health care law, it "would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/apr/04/barack-obama/obama-attaches-stark-terms-possible-supreme-court-/)Slim majority, not unprecedented (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/apr/04/barack-obama/obama-attaches-stark-terms-possible-supreme-court-/)



"For the first time since 1990, American manufacturers are creating new jobs."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/feb/22/barack-obama/president-barack-obama-says-american-manufacturers/)Better to stick to the script (http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/feb/22/barack-obama/president-barack-obama-says-american-manufacturers/)



"Preventive care … saves money, for families, for businesses, for government, for everybody."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/feb/10/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-preventive-care-saves-money/)Wrong in 2009, and wrong today (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/feb/10/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-preventive-care-saves-money/)

"Thirty million Americans, including a lot of people in Florida, are going to be able to get healthcare next year because of that law."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/nov/03/barack-obama/obama-says-health-law-will-kick-millions-next-year/)Not so fast, Mr. President (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/nov/03/barack-obama/obama-says-health-law-will-kick-millions-next-year/)
"I made a bunch of these promises during the campaign. ... We've got about 60 percent done in three years."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/nov/01/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-60-percent-his-promises-are-done/)"In the Works" does not equal "done" (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/nov/01/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-60-percent-his-promises-are-done/)





Under President Barack Obama, the United States has "doubled our exports."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/11/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-us-has-doubled-exports-during-hi/)Doubling is a goal -- the U.S. is only a third of the way there (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/11/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-us-has-doubled-exports-during-hi/)

JohnAdams
08-21-2012, 03:05 AM
Says stories about his birth certificate drowned out media coverage of the Republican and White House budget plans the week of April 11.http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/28/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-birth-certificate-drowned-out-bu/)Wrong for the week Obama indicated; right for the following week (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/28/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-birth-certificate-drowned-out-bu/)



The president’s proposed budget "will help reduce the deficit by $400 billion over the next decade to the lowest level since Dwight Eisenhower was president."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-his-budget-will-bring-deficit-lo/)A mangled reference to a prior talking point (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-his-budget-will-bring-deficit-lo/)
Under the White House’s budget proposal, "we will not be adding more to the national debt" by the middle of the decade.http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/15/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-white-house-budget-would-not-add/)Revenue would equal outlays, but he ignores growing interest on the debt (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/15/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-white-house-budget-would-not-add/)



Twelve judges have thrown out legal challenges to the health care law because they rejected "the notion that the health care law was unconstitutional."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/08/barack-obama/president-obama-says-12-judges-have-rejected-notio/)Score two to two on judges' decisions on constitionality (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/08/barack-obama/president-obama-says-12-judges-have-rejected-notio/)

"I didn't raise taxes once."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/07/barack-obama/president-barack-obama-says-he-didnt-raise-taxes/)We've tracked a few increases (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/07/barack-obama/president-barack-obama-says-he-didnt-raise-taxes/)




When President Franklin D. Roosevelt started Social Security, "it only affected widows and orphans," and when Medicare began, "it was a small program."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/dec/08/barack-obama/barack-obama-description-how-social-security-medic/)A grain of truth in the big picture, far off on the details (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/dec/08/barack-obama/barack-obama-description-how-social-security-medic/)
The Bush administration had been "giving (auto companies) billions of dollars and just asking nothing in return."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/sep/22/barack-obama/obama-says-bush-administration-put-no-conditions-a/)It's called a term sheet and we linked to it (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/sep/22/barack-obama/obama-says-bush-administration-put-no-conditions-a/)




"The vast majority of the money I got was from small donors all across the country.''http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/apr/22/barack-obama/obama-campaign-financed-large-donors-too/)Big donors bankrolled much of Obama's campaign (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/apr/22/barack-obama/obama-campaign-financed-large-donors-too/)

"We've excluded lobbyists from policymaking jobs."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/27/barack-obama/obama-says-lobbyists-have-been-excluded-policy-mak/)We found at least four (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/27/barack-obama/obama-says-lobbyists-have-been-excluded-policy-mak/)


When Obama was interviewed by American reporters in Asia, "Not one of them asked me about Asia. Not one of them asked me about the economy."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/dec/07/barack-obama/obama-said-reporters-didnt-ask-questions-issues-th/)More than one did (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/dec/07/barack-obama/obama-said-reporters-didnt-ask-questions-issues-th/)

[/QUOTE]That is just page one of some of The Obama's lies, ladies and gents. My rebuttal of hypocritical liberal leftist crying about lying continues in next post.

JohnAdams
08-21-2012, 03:06 AM
Page Two:
[QUOTE]
Insurers delayed an Illinois man's treatment, "and he died because of it."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/17/barack-obama/obama-says-decision-revoke-insurance-led-illinois-/)Insurer's decision was reversed and man lived three more years (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/17/barack-obama/obama-says-decision-revoke-insurance-led-illinois-/)


Health reform will "give every American the same opportunity" to buy health insurance the way members of Congress do.http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/10/barack-obama/national-health-insurance-exchange-has-restriction/)Many limitations on who can shop on the exchange (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/10/barack-obama/national-health-insurance-exchange-has-restriction/)




Preventive care "saves money."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/09/barack-obama/obama-says-preventive-care-saves-money-it-doesnt/)Covering preventive care for everyone is a net cost (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/09/barack-obama/obama-says-preventive-care-saves-money-it-doesnt/)


(No earmarks in spending bill)http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/09/barack-obama/earmarks-stimulus-there-were-least-few/)Never say never (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/09/barack-obama/earmarks-stimulus-there-were-least-few/)


"If we went back to the obesity rates that existed back in the 1980s, the Medicare system over several years could save as much as a trillion dollars."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/24/barack-obama/obama-says-lower-obesity-rates-would-save-medicare/)Still wrong (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/24/barack-obama/obama-says-lower-obesity-rates-would-save-medicare/)


"I have not said that I was a single-payer supporter."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/12/barack-obama/obama-has-praised-single-payer-plans-past/)Oh yes he did (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/12/barack-obama/obama-has-praised-single-payer-plans-past/)


Stimulus tax cuts "began showing up in paychecks of 4.8 million Indiana households about three months ago."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/05/barack-obama/obama-flubs-number-households-indiana-during-speec/)The president got his "I" states mixed up (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/05/barack-obama/obama-flubs-number-households-indiana-during-speec/)

Health insurance companies are "making record profits, right now."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/23/barack-obama/health-insurance-company-turned-profit-not-rec/)Profits, yes, but not record profits (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/23/barack-obama/health-insurance-company-turned-profit-not-rec/)

"We import more oil today than ever before."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/08/barack-obama/obamas-wrong-oil-imports/)Check your facts, Mr. President. Oil imports are down (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/08/barack-obama/obamas-wrong-oil-imports/)


"In eighth grade math, we’ve fallen to ninth place."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/mar/13/barack-obama/8th-graders-are-9th-showing-improvement-not-fallin/)The president maligns middle-schoolers unfairly (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/mar/13/barack-obama/8th-graders-are-9th-showing-improvement-not-fallin/)





"There is no disagreement that we need action by our government, a recovery plan that will help to jump-start the economy."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jan/30/barack-obama/some-economists-disagree-obama/)Yes, there is (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jan/30/barack-obama/some-economists-disagree-obama/)

JohnAdams
08-21-2012, 03:07 AM
"Senator McCain would pay for part of his (health care) plan by making drastic cuts in Medicare — $882-billion worth."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/dec/03/barack-obama/obama-knows-mccains-intentions-better-than-mccain/)Obama knows McCain's intentions better than McCain? (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/dec/03/barack-obama/obama-knows-mccains-intentions-better-than-mccain/)
"The centerpiece of Senator McCain's education policy is to increase the voucher program in D.C. by 2,000 slots."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/oct/16/barack-obama/centerpiece-more-like-a-side-dish/)Centerpiece? More like a side dish (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/oct/16/barack-obama/centerpiece-more-like-a-side-dish/)


Under John McCain's health care plan, people get a $5,000 tax credit to buy a $12,000 health care policy, and "that's a loss for you."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/oct/15/barack-obama/a-major-distortion-on-mccains-policy/)A major distortion on McCain's policy (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/oct/15/barack-obama/a-major-distortion-on-mccains-policy/)





John McCain accused Barack Obama "of letting infants die."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/oct/09/barack-obama/obama-ad-wrong-about-mccain-abortion-charge/)Obama ad wrong about McCain abortion charge (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/oct/09/barack-obama/obama-ad-wrong-about-mccain-abortion-charge/)


"Oil companies ...currently have 68-million acres that they're not using."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/oct/07/barack-obama/unused-acres-arent-necessarily-being-ignored/)Unused acres aren't necessarily being ignored (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/oct/07/barack-obama/unused-acres-arent-necessarily-being-ignored/)


McCain "has opposed stem cell research."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/sep/24/barack-obama/obama-ad-distorts-mccains-stem-cell-position/)Obama ad distorts McCain's stem cell position (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/sep/24/barack-obama/obama-ad-distorts-mccains-stem-cell-position/)


"But if my opponent had his way, the millions of Floridians who rely on it would've had their Social Security tied up in the stock market this week."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/sep/22/barack-obama/obama-overstates-mccains-plan-whatever-that-is/)Obama overstates McCain's plan, whatever that is (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/sep/22/barack-obama/obama-overstates-mccains-plan-whatever-that-is/)

"The fact is that although we have had a president who is opposed to abortion over the last eight years, abortions have not gone down.''http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/aug/21/barack-obama/abortion-numbers-have-gone-down/)Abortion numbers have gone down (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/aug/21/barack-obama/abortion-numbers-have-gone-down/) (claim Obama made in Campaign against McCain, while G.W. Bush was still President)


Oil companies "haven't touched" 68 million acres where they already have rights to drill.http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/aug/18/barack-obama/68-million-acres-isnt-going-untouched/)68 million acres isn't going untouched (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/aug/18/barack-obama/68-million-acres-isnt-going-untouched/)

JohnAdams
08-21-2012, 03:07 AM
Page Three:
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Fully inflating tires is "a step that every expert says would absolutely reduce our oil consumption by 3 to 4 percent."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/aug/08/barack-obama/obama-inflates-this-tire-claim/)Obama inflates this tire claim (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/aug/08/barack-obama/obama-inflates-this-tire-claim/)


John McCain refuses to support a new bipartisan energy bill "because it would take away tax breaks from oil companies like Exxon Mobil."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/aug/07/barack-obama/mccain-opposes-taxes-but-hasnt-commented-on-bill/)McCain opposes taxes but hasn't commented on bill (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/aug/07/barack-obama/mccain-opposes-taxes-but-hasnt-commented-on-bill/)

The U.S. government spends less on energy innovation "than the pet food industry invests in its own products."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jul/11/barack-obama/this-dog-wont-hunt/)This dog won't hunt (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jul/11/barack-obama/this-dog-wont-hunt/)

"Our National Guard, as we saw in the Midwest flooding, can't function as effectively as it could. I was talking to National Guard representatives. Fifteen of their 17 helicopters in this region were overseas during the flooding."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jul/09/barack-obama/no-shortage-of-choppers-for-floods/)No shortage of choppers for floods (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jul/09/barack-obama/no-shortage-of-choppers-for-floods/)

"I think we came down here (to Florida) one time ... but we weren't actively fundraising here."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/may/30/barack-obama/maybe-not-a-lot-but-obama-held-fundraisers/)Maybe not a lot, but Obama held fundraisers (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/may/30/barack-obama/maybe-not-a-lot-but-obama-held-fundraisers/)

"I have never said that I don't wear flag pins or refuse to wear flag pins."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/apr/18/barack-obama/obama-contradicts-previously-stated-pin-philosophy/)Obama contradicts previously stated pin philosophy (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/apr/18/barack-obama/obama-contradicts-previously-stated-pin-philosophy/)

"He's promising four more years of an administration that will push for the privatization of Social Security..."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/apr/16/barack-obama/not-the-same-old-bush-plan/)Not the same old Bush plan (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/apr/16/barack-obama/not-the-same-old-bush-plan/)


"We are bogged down in a war that John McCain now suggests might go on for another 100 years."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/mar/05/barack-obama/straight-talk-twisted/)Straight talk, twisted (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/mar/05/barack-obama/straight-talk-twisted/)

"Hillary Clinton believed NAFTA was a 'boon' to our economy."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/feb/25/barack-obama/she-never-said-boon/)She never said "boon" (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/feb/25/barack-obama/she-never-said-boon/)

"As has been noted by many observers, including Bill Clinton's former secretary of labor, my plan does more than anybody to reduce costs."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/feb/22/barack-obama/experts-rate-dem-plans-about-the-same/)Experts rate Dem plans about the same (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/feb/22/barack-obama/experts-rate-dem-plans-about-the-same/)

JohnAdams
08-21-2012, 03:08 AM
"She said, you know, 'I voted for it, but I hoped it wouldn't pass.' That was a quote on live TV."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/feb/11/barack-obama/thats-not-the-actual-quote/)That's not the actual quote (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/feb/11/barack-obama/thats-not-the-actual-quote/)

Americans "have never paid more for gas at the pump."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/feb/11/barack-obama/he-needs-a-fill-up-on-statistics/)He needs a fill-up on statistics (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/feb/11/barack-obama/he-needs-a-fill-up-on-statistics/)

"I know that Hillary on occasion has said — just last year said this (NAFTA) was a boon to the economy."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jan/22/barack-obama/no-evidence-she-said-that/)No evidence she said that (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jan/22/barack-obama/no-evidence-she-said-that/)


"Gas prices have never been higher, and Exxon Mobil's profits have never been higher."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2007/dec/31/barack-obama/hes-a-year-too-late-on-this-energy-claim/)He's a year too late on this energy claim (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2007/dec/31/barack-obama/hes-a-year-too-late-on-this-energy-claim/)

"If we went back to the obesity rates that existed in 1980, that would save the Medicare system a trillion dollars."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2007/dec/17/barack-obama/a-trillion-is-too-much/)A trillion is too much (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2007/dec/17/barack-obama/a-trillion-is-too-much/)




"John wasn't this raging populist four years ago" when he ran for president.http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2007/nov/19/barack-obama/edwards-tagged-populist-early-on/)Edwards tagged 'populist' early on (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2007/nov/19/barack-obama/edwards-tagged-populist-early-on/)


"Right now, an employer has more of a chance of getting hit by lightning than be prosecuted for hiring an undocumented worker. That has to change."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2007/nov/16/barack-obama/lightning-strikes-but-not-like-the-feds/)Lightning strikes, but not like the feds (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2007/nov/16/barack-obama/lightning-strikes-but-not-like-the-feds/)


If African-Americans vote their percentage of the population in 2008, "Mississippi is suddenly a Democratic state."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2007/sep/04/barack-obama/by-itself-black-voter-increase-does-not-flip-missi/)By itself, black voter increase does not flip Mississippi — or the South (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2007/sep/04/barack-obama/by-itself-black-voter-increase-does-not-flip-missi/)
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And this doesn't even cover the lies Obama told during his first campaign, like the lie that he sat in Wrights church for over twenty years and never heard Wright saying the things we all saw and heard the racist anti-American Reverend Wright on tape saying. Or the lie that he (Obama) visited all 57 U.S. States given we only have 50 states. 52 if you include territories lol.

So again please spare us any whining about lies. Clean up your own house liberals, and get rid of habitual liars like Obama in your leadership before you stand up and hypocritically tell us about someone else lying or being a liar.

After you have then tell us all about liars.

Cigar
08-21-2012, 07:50 AM
Politifact ....... :rofl:

patrickt
08-21-2012, 09:10 AM
"Romney Distortions, Spin, Rationalization and Flat-Out Lies (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/5122-Untangling-the-Romney-Distortions-Spin-Rationalization-and-Flat-Out-Lies)"

A Romney distortion, spin, rationalization and flat-out lie isn't by Gov. Romney but about Gov. Romney. I don't think English is Cigar's native language so he got confused. Now, when the Smear and Fear Campaign says Gov. Romney is a felon, that's a Romney lie but then when President Obama says no one said Gov. Romney was a felon that is clearly an Obama Lie.

Cigar
08-21-2012, 09:19 AM
Deny Deny Deny Deny :)