Ahmed's clock

[William]

Dunno if this is in the right place or if there is already a thread about it (I couldn't find one), but does anyone think the school and the police over-reacted to a clock in a pencil-case?


Ahmed Mohamed just wanted to impress his teachers with a homemade invention.

The story of what happened next has made the 14-year-old from Irving, Tex., the object of national outrage and attention.Eager to show off to his engineering teacher, Mohamed walked into MacArthur High School on Monday morning with his hastily assembled invention: A digital clock.

Hours later, the ninth-grader was escorted out of the school in police custody after teachers mistook the device for a bomb.

Mohamed was taken to police headquarters, handcuffed and fingerprinted.

Irving Police Chief Larry Boyd said that Mohamed will not be charged with any wrongdoing and that the case has been closed.

“We have no evidence to support that there was an intention to create alarm or cause people to be concerned,” Boyd told reporters Wednesday.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/why-a-ninth-grader’s-arrest-over-a-home-built-clock-struck-a-chord-across-america/ar-AAeo19o?li=BBgzzfc&ocid=iehp

I don't understand what happened. Like he's my age, and I quite like making things out of other things - even if they are not totally brillo pads and a bit messy looking. There's no way my school would call the police if I had a pencil case with wires sticking out of it - what were they so scared of? :huh:

[PolWatch]

This was in Texas....no one thought to ask the science teacher about the clock, they jumped straight into hysteria. Some say that this was set up by the boy's father for publicity. I don't see how the father could have influenced the school to act like a bunch of dorks....they did that by themselves!

[Safety]

Dunno if this is in the right place or if there is already a thread about it (I couldn't find one), but does anyone think the school and the police over-reacted to a clock in a pencil-case?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/why-a-ninth-grader’s-arrest-over-a-home-built-clock-struck-a-chord-across-america/ar-AAeo19o?li=BBgzzfc&ocid=iehp

I don't understand what happened. Like he's my age, and I quite like making things out of other things - even if they are not totally brillo pads and a bit messy looking. There's no way my school would call the police if I had a pencil case with wires sticking out of it - what were they so scared of? :huh:

They are scared of exactly what the media tells them to be scared of.

[Captain Obvious]

They should put that little terrorist in jail for 20 years.

[exotix]

They are scared of exactly what the media tells them to be scared of.'Be frightened ... be very very frightened'

http://i58.tinypic.com/69j94x.png

[nathanbforrest45]

Its my understanding the clock little Ahmed "invented" was little more than a 20 year old Radio Shack clock electronics put inside of a case. There was no reason for little Ahmed to bring such a devise to class. He was a Muslim. It was two days after the anniversary of 9/11.
http://www.redstate.com/2015/09/18/ahmed-didnt-build-radio-shack-sold-standwithahmed/

There is also the fact that Little Ahmed's sister had previously made statements of wanting to blow the school up.

Did the school over-react? No, not in my opinion given the circumstances.

[Subdermal]

Dunno if this is in the right place or if there is already a thread about it (I couldn't find one), but does anyone think the school and the police over-reacted to a clock in a pencil-case?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/why-a-ninth-grader’s-arrest-over-a-home-built-clock-struck-a-chord-across-america/ar-AAeo19o?li=BBgzzfc&ocid=iehp

I don't understand what happened. Like he's my age, and I quite like making things out of other things - even if they are not totally brillo pads and a bit messy looking. There's no way my school would call the police if I had a pencil case with wires sticking out of it - what were they so scared of? :huh:

1. He didn't "make" anything. He took apart a Micronta Digital Alarm Clock (found @ Radio Shack many years ago), discarded the case, and put the messy guts in a small silver case. So he lied about "making" something. He didn't. He turned a working digital clock into something that looked like this:

http://images.dailykos.com/images/165241/large/clockfeat_(1).jpg?1442627128

What he took to school is on the left. A real bomb is on the right. Kids have been expelled - and worse - for carrying squirt guns to school. This act was intentionally provocative; meant to look like a bomb to create the desired reaction.

So a kid does this. What are the odds that the family is Muslim? Ok - wow - they are. Now: what are the odds that they are activist Muslim?

Holy cow, knock me over with a feather. They are.

Dominos fall; dots connect. He was arrested not because anyone thought - after awhile - that what he had was a bomb. He was arrested for the equivalent of yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater. He was arrested for his behavior when confronted by authorities over that question.

And rightly so.

[Captain Obvious]

^^Ahmed-o-phobe

[Mac-7]

Dunno if this is in the right place or if there is already a thread about it (I couldn't find one), but does anyone think the school and the police over-reacted to a clock in a pencil-case?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/why-a-ninth-grader’s-arrest-over-a-home-built-clock-struck-a-chord-across-america/ar-AAeo19o?li=BBgzzfc&ocid=iehp

I don't understand what happened. Like he's my age, and I quite like making things out of other things - even if they are not totally brillo pads and a bit messy looking. There's no way my school would call the police if I had a pencil case with wires sticking out of it - what were they so scared of? :huh:

You commented on this story last week.

as far as i can tell this was 3rd grade level work since he only took a working clock module out of its original case and repackaged it to look like a bomb.

so there was very little science unless you count political science.

[Captain Obvious]

You commented on this story last week.

as far as i can tell this was 3rd grade level work since he only took a working clock module out of its original case and repackaged it to look like a bomb.

so there was very little science unless you count political science.

And all the RW lemmings march in lockstep.

[Safety]

1. He didn't "make" anything. He took apart a Micronta Digital Alarm Clock (found @ Radio Shack many years ago), discarded the case, and put the messy guts in a small silver case. So he lied about "making" something. He didn't. He turned a working digital clock into something that looked like this:

http://images.dailykos.com/images/165241/large/clockfeat_(1).jpg?1442627128

What he took to school is on the left. A real bomb is on the right. Kids have been expelled - and worse - for carrying squirt guns to school. This act was intentionally provocative; meant to look like a bomb to create the desired reaction.

So a kid does this. What are the odds that the family is Muslim? Ok - wow - they are. Now: what are the odds that they are activist Muslim?

Holy cow, knock me over with a feather. They are.

Dominos fall; dots connect. He was arrested not because anyone thought - after awhile - that what he had was a bomb. He was arrested for the equivalent of yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater. He was arrested for his behavior when confronted by authorities over that question.

And rightly so.

Yea, because in the history of all suitcase bombs, there was one where you had to plug it into an electrical outlet.

'Murica

[Cigar]

Wow ... that clock is still bothering some people. :laugh:

Yea ... no big deal ... right. :grin:

[JDubya]

Yea, because in the history of all suitcase bombs, there was one where you had to plug it into an electrical outlet.

'Murica

So, are you trying to claim that an explosive device couldn't be powered from an AC electrical outlet?

Are you trying to claim that it couldn't have worked simply because it had a plug?

Are you trying to claim that just because professionally produced terrorist bombs have traditionally operated on batteries, that one produced by a 14 y/o amatuer could not have caused an explosion being plugged into a wall?

Please explain the electronic science behind your insinuations, Safety

[Subdermal]

^^Ahmed-o-phobe

^^^Intelligence-o-phobe. Suck it Oblivious. You need to stop being such a whiny child-like attention wh()re, and put out real posts with substance. Your schtick is old and tired.

[Subdermal]

Yea, because in the history of all suitcase bombs, there was one where you had to plug it into an electrical outlet.

'Murica

You don't sound like an expert to me, and you certainly have been unable to rebut the clear intent behind this mini-jihadist's actions.

Particularly since - apparently - his sister has expressed that she'd like to blow up the school? You sound like you'd be totally fooled merely because you see a plug hanging from something.

How stupid are you?

[Safety]

So, are you trying to claim that an explosive device couldn't be powered from an AC electrical outlet?

Are you trying to claim that it couldn't have worked simply because it had a plug?

Are you trying to claim that just because professionally produced terrorist bombs have traditionally operated on batteries, that one produced by a 14 y/o amatuer could not have caused an explosion being plugged into a wall?

Please explain the electronic science behind your insinuations, Safety


You don't sound like an expert to me, and you certainly have been unable to rebut the clear intent behind this mini-jihadist's actions.

Particularly since - apparently - his sister has expressed that she'd like to blow up the school? You sound like you'd be totally fooled merely because you see a plug hanging from something.

How stupid are you?

'Murica

[JDubya]

You don't sound like an expert to me, and you certainly have been unable to rebut the clear intent behind this mini-jihadist's actions.

Particularly since - apparently - his sister has expressed that she'd like to blow up the school? You sound like you'd be totally fooled merely because you see a plug hanging from something.

How stupid are you?

There is no word that means "extremely x1,000,000" that sufficiently describes his level of stupid.

[Captain Obvious]

There is no word that means "extremely x1,000,000" that sufficiently describes his level of stupid.

"Subderpal"

[JDubya]

'Murica

Ah, dodging the question as usual I see.

[Safety]

Ah, dodging the question as usual I see.

Simple, a plug would negate the classification of it being a suitcase bomb, wouldn't it? Now, if you had used the term IED and said it could have been an IED from the beginning, then it would not be left up to interpretation as it is now.

[Tahuyaman]

And all the RW lemmings march in lockstep.


Now that is hilarious.

[nathanbforrest45]

C O
What would you have us do when someone post something provocative? Ignore it? Agree because otherwise we are just lemmings? He asked a question, we are all responding. Unlike some we do have opinions on things that goes beyond, NOTHING MATTERS ANYWAY

[Mac-7]

'Murica

Yowza mista benny Iz a comin'.

[JDubya]

Simple, a plug would negate the classification of it being a suitcase bomb, wouldn't it? Now, if you had used the term IED and said it could have been an IED from the beginning, then it would not be left up to interpretation as it is now.

Suitcase bomb, pencil box bomb, Mickey Mouse clock bomb, it doesn't matter.

The point is that it resembled some kind of possible BOMB.

You're splitting hairs over the suitcase aspect.

The kid cobbled together something that appears to have been designed to cause a commotion.

[Hal Jordan]

1. He didn't "make" anything. He took apart a Micronta Digital Alarm Clock (found @ Radio Shack many years ago), discarded the case, and put the messy guts in a small silver case. So he lied about "making" something. He didn't. He turned a working digital clock into something that looked like this:

http://images.dailykos.com/images/165241/large/clockfeat_(1).jpg?1442627128

What he took to school is on the left. A real bomb is on the right. Kids have been expelled - and worse - for carrying squirt guns to school. This act was intentionally provocative; meant to look like a bomb to create the desired reaction.

So a kid does this. What are the odds that the family is Muslim? Ok - wow - they are. Now: what are the odds that they are activist Muslim?

Holy cow, knock me over with a feather. They are.

Dominos fall; dots connect. He was arrested not because anyone thought - after awhile - that what he had was a bomb. He was arrested for the equivalent of yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater. He was arrested for his behavior when confronted by authorities over that question.

And rightly so.

Hoo boy. I keep seeing this lie. The image on the right is not an actual suitcase bomb. This has been debunked over and over. It's a Honeywell security sales demo kit. It has nothing to do with an actual suitcase bomb. Even if we didn't know what it actually was, we could easily tell that it wasn't a suitcase bomb by the profound lack of explosives.

[Mac-7]

Hoo boy. I keep seeing this lie. The image on the right is not an actual suitcase bomb. This has been debunked over and over. It's a Honeywell security sales demo kit. It has nothing to do with an actual suitcase bomb. Even if we didn't know what it actually was, we could easily tell that it wasn't a suitcase bomb by the profound lack of explosives.

This kid is certainly no budding scientist.

If he were not a minority his "invention" would be laughed off the stage.

[Safety]

This kid is certainly no budding scientist.

If he were not a minority his "invention" would be laughed off the stage.

........and since he was a minority, instead of getting laughter, he got arrested.

'Murica.

[Safety]

Hoo boy. I keep seeing this lie. The image on the right is not an actual suitcase bomb. This has been debunked over and over. It's a Honeywell security sales demo kit. It has nothing to do with an actual suitcase bomb. Even if we didn't know what it actually was, we could easily tell that it wasn't a suitcase bomb by the profound lack of explosives.

Who knew Honeywell was in the children suitcase bomb business.....:grin:

[SouthernBelle82]

I love how now the right wingers are saying "oh there was nothing to it. He didn't do anything" where before it was "omg it looks JUST like a bomb! omg!" Tsk tsk. And I love too them downplaying places paying attention to him. It's not because he did something great with an invention. They're encouraging him to not give up in his interest because of this experience.

[Safety]

I love how now the right wingers are saying "oh there was nothing to it. He didn't do anything" where before it was "omg it looks JUST like a bomb! omg!" Tsk tsk. And I love too them downplaying places paying attention to him. It's not because he did something great with an invention. They're encouraging him to not give up in his interest because of this experience.

It's what happens every time they are shown their outrage to be faux or hypocritical.

[SouthernBelle82]

It's what happens every time they are shown their outrage to be faux or hypocritical.

Oh, of course. Down play the shit out of it so you're not embarrassed.

[Mac-7]

........and since he was a minority, instead of getting laughter, he got arrested.

'Murica.

Yowza boss.

[Subdermal]

C O
What would you have us do when someone post something provocative? Ignore it? Agree because otherwise we are just lemmings? He asked a question, we are all responding. Unlike some we do have opinions on things that goes beyond, NOTHING MATTERS ANYWAY

Ignore him. He's a trolling rudderless tool.

[Subdermal]

Hoo boy. I keep seeing this lie. The image on the right is not an actual suitcase bomb. This has been debunked over and over. It's a Honeywell security sales demo kit. It has nothing to do with an actual suitcase bomb. Even if we didn't know what it actually was, we could easily tell that it wasn't a suitcase bomb by the profound lack of explosives.

Well! Good to know! Do you think the overarching point is still valid, or would you like me to arrange some sort of jihadist for you to actually suck off?

[Hal Jordan]

Well! Good to know! Do you think the overarching point is still valid, or would you like me to arrange some sort of jihadist for you to actually suck off?

Are you trying to mimic JDubya's penchant for underwhelming insults? If your "point" involved it looking anything like an actual suitcase bomb, it falls flat. If your "point" is that schools overreact on a regular basis, so it's okay for them do do so here, I disagree. The stupid overreactions shouldn't be used as a defense of anything other than ending them. If your "point" is the whole fire in a crowded theater thing, he didn't yell bomb at any point. The only hysteria in this is after the fact, from people on both sides of the aisle. That's the media. He was arrested so the police could question him, not because of his behavior. From the beginning, the school knew it was not a bomb. The police took him to question him about intent. Now, I hear that he wasn't allowed to have his parents present for that, which is illegal, but I'm not sure if that is truly the case there, as I haven't looked into that part. Either way, with their questioning, apparently they were satisfied that he had no intent of making it seem like a bomb, as they let him go. If you want me to say the school was fully in the right, I can't do that. If you want me to say the cops were fully in the right, I can't until I have proof that they didn't refuse his right to have his parents present. Yet, if you expect me to say Ahmed was fully in the right, I can't do that either. One way or another, he played the system.

[William]

I don't think Ahmed was 'gaming the system', I think he did a project that people who watch too much TV thought looks like a bomb - but doesn't at all. It was in a pencil case, which is much smaller and doesn't look like a suitcase, and there were no explosives.

The media is putting out information which is wrong or incomplete - like his sister was suspended for threatening to blow up her school. This is what she said about that -


“I got suspended from school for three days from this stupid same district, from this girl saying I wanted to blow up the school, something I had nothing to do with.”


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/ahmed-mohamed-clock-bomb-sister-suspended-ian-tuttle

So some other girl said she said that, and the school acted on someone else's word. Like any kid at my school can say I said anything, but I wouldn't get suspended on some other kid's word - that school sounds like it sucks big time.

And the media is saying his father is a 'Muslim activist' which sounds a lot to paranoid people like he is a Muslim terrorist.


His father, Mohamed ElHassan Mohamed, is a fascinating figure in his own right. He's a Sudanese immigrant who has twice declared himself a presidential candidate in Sudan. When Florida pastor Terry Jones put the Quran on trial and later burned it in 2012, Mohamed was the Muslim holy book's defense attorney,

In 2010, he ran for president in Sudan for the National Reform Party and created a campaign website, which described him this way:

ElHassan is no stranger to adversity and experienced hardship firsthand, and during his lifetime has cultivated a deep sense of humanitarianism, tolerance and patience… Mohammed became proficient in all the religious sciences and has become an aficionado of prose and poetry. He attended many public events from his early age and unintentionally upstaged other expert orators in religious and political debates and remains unequalled. He is a passionate and sometimes amusing speaker of wisdom, logic and the realities of modern-day life. He possesses a deep insight into the causes of things and is dedicated to his principles.

Neither he nor his party actually appeared on the ballot. But Mohamed ran again in 2015, promising to negotiate lifting the sanctions on Sudan, ratify human rights treaties, and repeal laws against converting from Islam.
http://www.vox.com/2015/9/16/9339063/ahmed-mohamed-elhassan

So not only is he not a Muslim terrorist, but he is an educated man who values and works for human rights. I don't think his family is likely to become terrorists.

And I think your President is a cool guy who recognises that Ahmed was treated unfairly, and is trying to make a kid feel better about things. Politics aside, I wish we had a Prime Minister who was such a nice human being - you should be proud that Americans have elected such a man.

[SouthernBelle82]

I don't think Ahmed was 'gaming the system', I think he did a project that people who watch too much TV thought looks like a bomb - but doesn't at all. It was in a pencil case, which is much smaller and doesn't look like a suitcase, and there were no explosives.

The media is putting out information which is wrong or incomplete - like his sister was suspended for threatening to blow up her school. This is what she said about that -


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/ahmed-mohamed-clock-bomb-sister-suspended-ian-tuttle

So some other girl said she said that, and the school acted on someone else's word. Like any kid at my school can say I said anything, but I wouldn't get suspended on some other kid's word - that school sounds like it sucks big time.

And the media is saying his father is a 'Muslim activist' which sounds a lot to paranoid people like he is a Muslim terrorist.


http://www.vox.com/2015/9/16/9339063/ahmed-mohamed-elhassan

So not only is he not a Muslim terrorist, but he is an educated man who values and works for human rights. I don't think his family is likely to become terrorists.

And I think your President is a cool guy who recognises that Ahmed was treated unfairly, and is trying to make a kid feel better about things. Politics aside, I wish we had a Prime Minister who was such a nice human being - you should be proud that Americans have elected such a man.

I saw that about the sister and was so disgusted. And this area, Irving, the mayor campaigned on outlawing Sharia law lmao. In conservative Irving, Texas Sharia law was a threat. So that says something.

And I think it's great the president and other people in the industry have been encouraging him to not give up his interest from his bad experience. And yeah his dad is a lawyer who works with some type of non-profit type of org that does probono work for people with legal issues on something like what happened to his son and daughter.

[Hal Jordan]

I don't think Ahmed was 'gaming the system', I think he did a project that people who watch too much TV thought looks like a bomb - but doesn't at all. It was in a pencil case, which is much smaller and doesn't look like a suitcase, and there were no explosives.

The media is putting out information which is wrong or incomplete - like his sister was suspended for threatening to blow up her school. This is what she said about that -


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/ahmed-mohamed-clock-bomb-sister-suspended-ian-tuttle

So some other girl said she said that, and the school acted on someone else's word. Like any kid at my school can say I said anything, but I wouldn't get suspended on some other kid's word - that school sounds like it sucks big time.

And the media is saying his father is a 'Muslim activist' which sounds a lot to paranoid people like he is a Muslim terrorist.


http://www.vox.com/2015/9/16/9339063/ahmed-mohamed-elhassan

So not only is he not a Muslim terrorist, but he is an educated man who values and works for human rights. I don't think his family is likely to become terrorists.

And I think your President is a cool guy who recognises that Ahmed was treated unfairly, and is trying to make a kid feel better about things. Politics aside, I wish we had a Prime Minister who was such a nice human being - you should be proud that Americans have elected such a man.

If nothing else, he was gaming the system by saying he built it from scratch. The evidence says he pretty much took a clock and took it apart and put it in the pencil case.

[Captain Obvious]

Summary - had it been a bomb nobody would be praising this kid and the police force would be heros.

This kid isn't going to turn into any rocket scientist, that seems likely. I can't blame cops in this day and age for being overly cautious and if this kid's name was Jimmy Smith this thread and the whole national attention wouldn't occur.

And if it were a bomb and the police did nothing, there would be a national task force with 2,000 consultants and 10 million dollars invested in school bomb security.

It's all just a stupid course of events that really didn't cause any harm to anyone.

[William]

Summary - had it been a bomb nobody would be praising this kid and the police force would be heros.

This kid isn't going to turn into any rocket scientist, that seems likely. I can't blame cops in this day and age for being overly cautious and if this kid's name was Jimmy Smith this thread and the whole national attention wouldn't occur.

And if it were a bomb and the police did nothing, there would be a national task force with 2,000 consultants and 10 million dollars invested in school bomb security.

It's all just a stupid course of events that really didn't cause any harm to anyone.

Sorry, I don't agree, and there's no such thing as 'rocket science' - it's called 'aerospace engineering' :wink:. But you make a good point - if the kid's name was Jimmy Smith this national attention wouldn't have occurred. The teacher would have asked to see the thing that was making a noise, and confiscated it until the end of class. They would not have called the police, and the kid would not have been arrested, put in handcuffs and taken to the police station. Blind Freddy could see it was nothing like a bomb cos there were no explosives.

And I disagree that no one was harmed - how do you think Ahmed feels about the school, the police, and a society which is so paranoid that you only have to have brown skin or a foreign name to be picked on by everyone, including the media.

[Captain Obvious]

Sorry, I don't agree, and there's no such thing as 'rocket science' - it's called 'aerospace engineering' :wink:. But you make a good point - if the kid's name was Jimmy Smith this national attention wouldn't have occurred. The teacher would have asked to see the thing that was making a noise, and confiscated it until the end of class. They would not have called the police, and the kid would not have been arrested, put in handcuffs and taken to the police station. Blind Freddy could see it was nothing like a bomb cos there were no explosives.

And I disagree that no one was harmed - how do you think Ahmed feels about the school, the police, and a society which is so paranoid that you only have to have brown skin or a foreign name to be picked on by everyone, including the media.

The whole world is patting this kid on the back for being a tinkerpot basically.

This is going to screw him up for the rest of his life.

hooray for viral video

[William]

The whole world is patting this kid on the back for being a tinkerpot basically.

This is going to screw him up for the rest of his life.

hooray for viral video

Lol - sorry again, but people who are 'patting this kid on the back' are doing that cos he was treated unfairly and badly. Most people are good like that.

The people who are saying he is a terrorist or he intended scaring the school, are just dumb as rocks or are (even worse) just bigoted. :rollseyes:

That's the sort of thing which could screw him up - not people saying "Never mind, not all Americans are like that."

If my society did that to me, I would think "Feck them all painfully!" :grin:

[Captain Obvious]

Lol - sorry again, but people who are 'patting this kid on the back' are doing that cos he was treated unfairly and badly. Most people are good like that.

The people who are saying he is a terrorist or he intended scaring the school, are just dumb as rocks or are (even worse) just bigoted. :rollseyes:

That's the sort of thing which could screw him up - not people saying "Never mind, not all Americans are like that."

If my society did that to me, I would think "Feck them all painfully!" :grin:

Disagree.

All this attention and back patting is going to screw this kid up, that's a big problem with our viral video society nowadays.

My kid is rustic, he has tons of pocket knives. I make it a point to impress on him that, in today's society he absolutely can't have one in his pocket when he's in school, they'll shut the fucking school down and call in the national guard if so.

This kid needs to know that making shit that looks like bombs isn't probably a good idea and that concept went way by the wayside here.

This should have been a teaching moment for many, but it turned into a circus.

[William]

Disagree.

All this attention and back patting is going to screw this kid up, that's a big problem with our viral video society nowadays.

My kid is rustic, he has tons of pocket knives. I make it a point to impress on him that, in today's society he absolutely can't have one in his pocket when he's in school, they'll shut the fucking school down and call in the national guard if so.

This kid needs to know that making shit that looks like bombs isn't probably a good idea and that concept went way by the wayside here.

This should have been a teaching moment for many, but it turned into a circus.

OK, you might be right - different kids will react differently. If that was me, people effectively saying 'sorry you were treated like that' by giving me stuff I want, would make me feel like this is a good society, and I want to do the right thing by it - never mind the arseholes in the media.

[Subdermal]

Clock Boy and America's Suicidal PC tendencies:

Last week, Muslim 14-year-old Ahmed Mohamed made national news after being detained by police for bringing a deconstructed clock to his Texas school. The clock, to inexpert eyes, looked like a bomb. Ahmed’s English teacher thought so and called the police; when they questioned Mohamed, he reportedly stonewalled them. They released him after realizing that the device posed no threat and was not meant as a hoax explosive.




But this being Barack Obama’s America, that didn’t end the story.
The boy’s father, a self-proclaimed anti-Islamophobia activist, decided to make a federal case out of his kid’s detainment. He called his son’s brief detention in an air conditioned room “torture.” He called in the terrorism-linked Council on American Islamic Relations to protest Ahmed’s treatment. When he reached the police station, he insisted that the police leave handcuffs on his son so that the boy’s sister could take pictures. Then, when Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban called up Ahmed to deliver his sympathies and began asking questions about the situation, Ahmed’s sister fed him the answers.

None of those details made the press, however. The media simply played the story as a pure case of Islamophobia, a targeted attack on an innocent young Muslim genius who “invented” a clock. Never mind that Ahmed no more “invented” the clock than my daughter “invented” my keyboard by dismantling it. Never mind that children across America have been suspended or even prosecuted for far less than bringing a device with bomblike appearance to school. Form your fingers into a gun, and go home with the threat of prosecution looming. Chew a pop tart into the shape of a firearm, and you can guarantee it’ll go on your permanent record.

But build a device that looks awfully like an IED, and so long as you’re Muslim, the world will respond with outrage.
We have now come 180 degrees since Sept. 11. In the aftermath of that attack, we vowed we would not be hit again. To prevent that from happening, we told ourselves that if we saw something, we would say something; we also vowed to put political correctness to the side when it came to protecting safety. Now, we’ll say something if we see something, unless that something is a suspicious act with regard to a possible explosive held by a young Muslim male.

When a 16-year-old black girl brought a science experiment to school several years back in Florida, she was arrested; Barack Obama didn’t say a word, because she wasn’t Muslim. But Ahmed now looks forward to a trip to the White House for breaking down an old clock and then getting testy with the police. This is America, post-frontal lobotomy. While we can all recognize and celebrate that Ahmed won’t be going to jail, the treatment of Ahmed’s case by the president and the press ensure that next time a young Muslim student brings a suspicious object to school, administrators will ignore it for fear of career-ending consequences.


And next time, that suspicious object may not be a disassembled clock.
Ben Shapiro, 31, is a graduate of UCLA and Harvard Law School, a radio host on KTTH 770 Seattle and KRLA 870 Los Angeles, editor-in-chief of TruthRevolt.org, and senior editor-at-large of Breitbart News. He is The New York Times best-selling author of “Bullies.” He lives with his wife and daughter in Los Angeles.

[Safety]

Clock Boy and America's Suicidal PC tendencies:

Last week, Muslim 14-year-old Ahmed Mohamed made national news after being detained by police for bringing a deconstructed clock to his Texas school. The clock, to inexpert eyes, looked like a bomb. Ahmed’s English teacher thought so and called the police; when they questioned Mohamed, he reportedly stonewalled them. They released him after realizing that the device posed no threat and was not meant as a hoax explosive.




But this being Barack Obama’s America, that didn’t end the story.
The boy’s father, a self-proclaimed anti-Islamophobia activist, decided to make a federal case out of his kid’s detainment. He called his son’s brief detention in an air conditioned room “torture.” He called in the terrorism-linked Council on American Islamic Relations to protest Ahmed’s treatment. When he reached the police station, he insisted that the police leave handcuffs on his son so that the boy’s sister could take pictures. Then, when Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban called up Ahmed to deliver his sympathies and began asking questions about the situation, Ahmed’s sister fed him the answers.

None of those details made the press, however. The media simply played the story as a pure case of Islamophobia, a targeted attack on an innocent young Muslim genius who “invented” a clock. Never mind that Ahmed no more “invented” the clock than my daughter “invented” my keyboard by dismantling it. Never mind that children across America have been suspended or even prosecuted for far less than bringing a device with bomblike appearance to school. Form your fingers into a gun, and go home with the threat of prosecution looming. Chew a pop tart into the shape of a firearm, and you can guarantee it’ll go on your permanent record.

But build a device that looks awfully like an IED, and so long as you’re Muslim, the world will respond with outrage.
We have now come 180 degrees since Sept. 11. In the aftermath of that attack, we vowed we would not be hit again. To prevent that from happening, we told ourselves that if we saw something, we would say something; we also vowed to put political correctness to the side when it came to protecting safety. Now, we’ll say something if we see something, unless that something is a suspicious act with regard to a possible explosive held by a young Muslim male.

When a 16-year-old black girl brought a science experiment to school several years back in Florida, she was arrested; Barack Obama didn’t say a word, because she wasn’t Muslim. But Ahmed now looks forward to a trip to the White House for breaking down an old clock and then getting testy with the police. This is America, post-frontal lobotomy. While we can all recognize and celebrate that Ahmed won’t be going to jail, the treatment of Ahmed’s case by the president and the press ensure that next time a young Muslim student brings a suspicious object to school, administrators will ignore it for fear of career-ending consequences.


And next time, that suspicious object may not be a disassembled clock.
Ben Shapiro, 31, is a graduate of UCLA and Harvard Law School, a radio host on KTTH 770 Seattle and KRLA 870 Los Angeles, editor-in-chief of TruthRevolt.org, and senior editor-at-large of Breitbart News. He is The New York Times best-selling author of “Bullies.” He lives with his wife and daughter in Los Angeles.

Um, she was arrested because she brought some chemicals from home and mixed it in a water bottle and it blew up on school grounds. You should have stopped at the pop tart gun, because this isn't helping your case.

[PolWatch]

The fear of Sharia law seems to have replaced ebola on the list of reasons to hide under the bed & quiver. Its interesting that those who scream the loudest are trying to enforce their version of Sharia law....fundamentalist Christianity Sharia law. Call it by any name you like, trying to force YOUR religious beliefs on others is illegal in this nation. We have several posters here that seem to be trying to become the Ayatollah of fundamentalists....just look at those who support the KY clerk's actions.

[Peter1469]

America is in no danger of Sharia law taking over. Some parts of Europe are. But I think that Europeans will return to their roots and solve that issue at some point in the future.

[Ransom]

To be taken seriously, one would of course be required to know what Sharia Law is, it's history, it's influence today.

There isn't anyone.....I mean no one.......currently posting here even close to qualified.

We move on.

[Captain Obvious]

To be taken seriously, one would of course be required to know what Sharia Law is, it's history, it's influence today.

There isn't anyone.....I mean no one.......currently posting here even close to qualified.

We move on.

Blow it out your ass

[Peter1469]

To be taken seriously, one would of course be required to know what Sharia Law is, it's history, it's influence today.

There isn't anyone.....I mean no one.......currently posting here even close to qualified.

We move on.

Incorrect.

Unsurprising.

[nathanbforrest45]

I love how now the right wingers are saying "oh there was nothing to it. He didn't do anything" where before it was "omg it looks JUST like a bomb! omg!" Tsk tsk. And I love too them downplaying places paying attention to him. It's not because he did something great with an invention. They're encouraging him to not give up in his interest because of this experience.

What experience? Taking an existing clock, putting it into a different case and trying claim it was something magnificent? Little Ahmed did nothing that the average 5 year old couldn't do.

[nathanbforrest45]

Sorry, I don't agree, and there's no such thing as 'rocket science' - it's called 'aerospace engineering' :wink:. But you make a good point - if the kid's name was Jimmy Smith this national attention wouldn't have occurred. The teacher would have asked to see the thing that was making a noise, and confiscated it until the end of class. They would not have called the police, and the kid would not have been arrested, put in handcuffs and taken to the police station. Blind Freddy could see it was nothing like a bomb cos there were no explosives.

And I disagree that no one was harmed - how do you think Ahmed feels about the school, the police, and a society which is so paranoid that you only have to have brown skin or a foreign name to be picked on by everyone, including the media.

OH PLEASE

Everyone with half a brain understands what the term "rocket scientist" actually means. Just how sharp is that knife you are using to cut those hairs?

You people are total fools who will be murdered in your sleep because you are too stupid to understand a threat right under your nose.

[Tahuyaman]

With what has been happening in some of our public schools these days, I would think people would be relieved that a student is detained and questioned for bringing to school something which looked like a bomb.

[William]

OH PLEASE

Everyone with half a brain understands what the term "rocket scientist" actually means. Just how sharp is that knife you are using to cut those hairs?

You people are total fools who will be murdered in your sleep because you are too stupid to understand a threat right under your nose.

Sure, I know what people mean when they say 'rocket science' but there's no such thing, so it's just sloppy speech. A lot like 'I could care less' when people mean 'I couldn't care less'. It is the English language and we just let you use it for free - maybe we should charge you an English tax. :grin:

And if by 'you people' you mean the Brits, we have survived the Spanish Armada, Napoleon, and the Nazis - and we built the greatest empire the world has ever seen. Great Britain was a multicultural society long before it became the UK, and I went to school in England with Muslims who are just like anybody else, and I do the same here. At least we're not scared of every bogeyman - real or imagined. Some Americans seem scared of everything including each other - that's why you feel you have to own an arsenal, and walk around with a gun.

[William]

With what has been happening in some of our public schools these days, I would think people would be relieved that a student is detained and questioned for bringing to school something which looked like a bomb.

One of your founders didn't agree -

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.Benjamin Franklin

[Tahuyaman]

Originally Posted by Tahuyaman http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/51291-Ahmed-s-clock/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/51291-Ahmed-s-clock/showthread.php?p=1271352#post1271352)
With what has been happening in some of our public schools these days, I would think people would be relieved that a student is detained and questioned for bringing to school something which looked like a bomb.


One of your founders didn't agree -
Benjamin Franklin

Are you serious? Please, tell me you aren't.

[rembrant]

Its my understanding the clock little Ahmed "invented" was little more than a 20 year old Radio Shack clock electronics put inside of a case. There was no reason for little Ahmed to bring such a devise to class. He was a Muslim. It was two days after the anniversary of 9/11.
http://www.redstate.com/2015/09/18/ahmed-didnt-build-radio-shack-sold-standwithahmed/

There is also the fact that Little Ahmed's sister had previously made statements of wanting to blow the school up.

Did the school over-react? No, not in my opinion given the circumstances.Say the guy who took the name of a KKK founder? How interesting. The Lie about his sister wants to blow up the school.. is CRAP. A pile of DUNG. and where does Manure emerge from? The kid did whatever project..and I can't find ANY credible analysis of what was the SOURCE of the Components. I have a VERY negative opinion about the INTEGRITY...CREDIBILITY of certain BIGOTS who.. are so lame,so predictable..read into that as you may.

The DEAL is simple. A 14 yr old kid has a "tech class" does a clock, shows his teacher. Quite reasonable..then....a BUNCH of stupid batshit crazy bigots.. go NUTS. The whole town looks dark ages. The kid is the Celebrity of the Week.

If it was not so BIZZARE.. ........

[rembrant]

Are you serious? Please, tell me you aren't.I know you just enough to not CARE what you think. . You are messing with a NORMAL..sane person. I think you ought to know better by now. If you want to be odd.. EXPLAIN it.. dont just take a crap and do a dance.

[rembrant]

With what has been happening in some of our public schools these days, I would think people would be relieved that a student is detained and questioned for bringing to school something which looked like a bomb. Dammit..it had NO EXPLOSIVES. NO STUFF that LOOKED like EXPLOSIVE. Show me a bomb with no Explosive and...a snooze alarm and I will show you an IDIOT. (and a mirror) The "story" only happens cause BIGOTS think any kid who's Muslim is a terrorist Bomber. You..dude.. echo that bigot stuff.. look in the mirror. Is that your thing?

The kid was ARRESTED.. hauled off to Juvie in CUFFS.. Suspended..NO BODY ACTED as if it was a BOMB. The kid never SAID it was a BOMB..he said.. it's a CLOCK.. The teachers/cops never treated it as a BOMB, instead.. rushed to judgement. And you LOVE that?

[Bob]

This was in Texas....no one thought to ask the science teacher about the clock, they jumped straight into hysteria. Some say that this was set up by the boy's father for publicity. I don't see how the father could have influenced the school to act like a bunch of dorks....they did that by themselves!

What clock looks like that child's. so called clock?

I want a close up of it.

Nearly all who saw it say it looks like a Bomb to them.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/26/nearly-all-agree-ahmeds-clock-looks-like-a-bomb/

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[Bob]

They are scared of exactly what the media tells them to be scared of.


OK, you are a teacher.

What is this?

See a clock face there? See anything resembling a clock?

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[Peter1469]

Let Ahmed the bomb-maker clockmaker try to bring it on the plane with him when he goes to the UN.

:shocked:

This punk isn't news. His crap "invention" isn't getting on the plane either.

[Bob]

Sure, I know what people mean when they say 'rocket science' but there's no such thing, so it's just sloppy speech. A lot like 'I could care less' when people mean 'I couldn't care less'. It is the English language and we just let you use it for free - maybe we should charge you an English tax. :grin:

And if by 'you people' you mean the Brits, we have survived the Spanish Armada, Napoleon, and the Nazis - and we built the greatest empire the world has ever seen. Great Britain was a multicultural society long before it became the UK, and I went to school in England with Muslims who are just like anybody else, and I do the same here. At least we're not scared of every bogeyman - real or imagined. Some Americans seem scared of everything including each other - that's why you feel you have to own an arsenal, and walk around with a gun.


Great Britain has been bombed. Not by any person, by Muslims.

Were that boy to have tried to board an airplane and you were on it, my guess is your pants would be brown if you saw it open. As the teacher saw it. Bombs often have a timer on them.

[Bob]

Let Ahmed the bomb-maker clockmaker try to bring it on the plane with him when he goes to the UN.

:shocked:

This punk isn't news. His crap "invention" isn't getting on the plane either.

Indeed. But let the youth be idealistic. Remember saying that?

[Bob]

The fear of Sharia law seems to have replaced ebola on the list of reasons to hide under the bed & quiver. Its interesting that those who scream the loudest are trying to enforce their version of Sharia law....fundamentalist Christianity Sharia law. Call it by any name you like, trying to force YOUR religious beliefs on others is illegal in this nation. We have several posters here that seem to be trying to become the Ayatollah of fundamentalists....just look at those who support the KY clerk's actions.

Sharia law in action.

For the weak, don't watch all of it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1mNQTUbhbM

[Peter1469]

Indeed. But let the youth be idealistic. Remember saying that?

Ahmed is not being idealistic. He is softening America for a real attack.

I say we expel him to any Muslim nation. With his family.

[Bob]

Ahmed is not being idealistic. He is softening America for a real attack.

I say we expel him to any Muslim nation. With his family.

I really believe you. Honestly. And it makes sense.

[Peter1469]

Sharia law in action.

For the weak, don't watch all of it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1mNQTUbhbM

That is where Ahmed needs to be.

[William]

Ahmed is not being idealistic. He is softening America for a real attack.

I say we expel him to any Muslim nation. With his family.

Sorry Peter, you know I respect you heaps, but that's not something I would expect from you. A kid taking a weird looking pencil case to class is softening America up for destruction?

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Be afraid - be very afraid! :grin:

[Safety]

The rhetoric is strong in here.

[Safety]

OK, you are a teacher.

What is this?

See a clock face there? See anything resembling a clock?

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Hmmm, you mean like the first five teachers who saw the size, lack of explosives, the frigging cord, and him saying it was a clock he made...
....or a bed wetting, hand winging, fear of anything not like them, teacher who saw him and his name and decided that he was trying to destroy the US from within.

If this was a kid named Sammy Cooper, we would still be talking about an email server located in a bathroom.

[Peter1469]

Sorry Peter, you know I respect you heaps, but that's not something I would expect from you. A kid taking a weird looking pencil case to class is softening America up for destruction?

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Be afraid - be very afraid! :grin:

I don't think he was trying to blow anyone up. But he was not acting in good faith either.

[Newpublius]

I don't think he was tryinbyg to blow anyone up. But he was not acting in good faith either.

I don't think anybody thought he was trying to build an actual. The thought was that he was trying to build a hoax bomb. And since it looked LIKE a bomb, it wasn't unreasonable to SUSPECT he may have been trying to have built something that looked LIKE a bomb.

[Tahuyaman]

I know you just enough to not CARE what you think. .

You know me? Really? Where did we meet? When did we hang out together?

[Tahuyaman]

You are messing with a NORMAL..sane person. I think you ought to know better by now. If you want to be odd.. EXPLAIN it.. dont just take a crap and do a dance.

Uh.......... Yeah, right.

[Tahuyaman]

Dammit..it had NO EXPLOSIVES. NO STUFF that LOOKED like EXPLOSIVE. Show me a bomb with no Explosive and...a snooze alarm and I will show you an IDIOT. (and a mirror) The "story" only happens cause BIGOTS think any kid who's Muslim is a terrorist Bomber. You..dude.. echo that bigot stuff.. look in the mirror. Is that your thing?

The kid was ARRESTED.. hauled off to Juvie in CUFFS.. Suspended..NO BODY ACTED as if it was a BOMB. The kid never SAID it was a BOMB..he said.. it's a CLOCK.. The teachers/cops never treated it as a BOMB, instead.. rushed to judgement. And you LOVE that?

Why can't you admit that the kid's device looked like it could be a bomb?

If you think it is so unreasonable to believe that, try to take that very same device through an airport checkpoint.

[Subdermal]

I don't think anybody thought he was trying to build an actual. The thought was that he was trying to build a hoax bomb. And since it looked LIKE a bomb, it wasn't unreasonable to SUSPECT he may have been trying to have built something that looked LIKE a bomb.

^^^THIS^^^

Which is exactly why Ahmed the JuvenileTerrorist mentions a concern about "looking suspicious" in the YouTube video in which he recounts the timeline of events. He knew exactly what he was doing, or there would have been zero reason to consider any 'worry' about what he was bringing to school 'looking suspicious'.

Pair that with his sister's activities, and the fact that the dad is a Muslim activist, and you have here all any casually insightful person would need to know to understand what this was all about.

[Subdermal]

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[pragmatic]

Didn't read the whole thread. Don't know if someone has already pointed this out. But there are some valid questions regarding whether this was all a concocted stunt.


"We know from a Daily Beast report (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/17/man-i-went-viral-my-day-with-ahmed-moahmed-the-most-famous-boy-on-earth.html) that Ahmed’s sister, Eyman, was suspended in middle school due to “this girl saying [Eyman] wanted to blow up the school.” She appears to still be fairly bitter about it, even all these years later, which is sort of understandable. She and Ahmed’s other sister created the @IStandWithAhmed Twitter account a couple of days after Ahmed was arrested.

But there is evidence Eyman has taken an even more proactive role in the whole affair. Mark Cuban (http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/09/18/cuban-ahmed-mohameds-sister-was-giving-him-the-answer-when-i-talked-to-him/) claimed to have spoken with Ahmed on the phone and said his sister was “over his shoulder, you could hear, listening to the question, giving him the answer.” Ahmed is still a young man, but he is not a toddler, and is surely capable of answering questions. Why would Eyman feel it was necessary to instruct Ahmed on what to say? Has she played a larger role in this controversy then we’ve already seen?"




http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/23/6-unanswered-questions-about-ahmed-mohameds-clock/

[Subdermal]

Didn't read the whole thread. Don't know if someone has already pointed this out. But there are some valid questions regarding whether this was all a concocted stunt.


"We know from a Daily Beast report (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/17/man-i-went-viral-my-day-with-ahmed-moahmed-the-most-famous-boy-on-earth.html) that Ahmed’s sister, Eyman, was suspended in middle school due to “this girl saying [Eyman] wanted to blow up the school.” She appears to still be fairly bitter about it, even all these years later, which is sort of understandable. She and Ahmed’s other sister created the @IStandWithAhmed Twitter account a couple of days after Ahmed was arrested.

But there is evidence Eyman has taken an even more proactive role in the whole affair. Mark Cuban (http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/09/18/cuban-ahmed-mohameds-sister-was-giving-him-the-answer-when-i-talked-to-him/) claimed to have spoken with Ahmed on the phone and said his sister was “over his shoulder, you could hear, listening to the question, giving him the answer.” Ahmed is still a young man, but he is not a toddler, and is surely capable of answering questions. Why would Eyman feel it was necessary to instruct Ahmed on what to say? Has she played a larger role in this controversy then we’ve already seen?"

http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/23/6-unanswered-questions-about-ahmed-mohameds-clock/

Orchestrated. Intent. Nefarious.

[Peter1469]

Deport the family.

[whatukno]

Deport the family.

For? And to where? Wasn't the son at least born in the USA? So he has no birthright citizenship for the horrid crime of building a clock?

[Safety]

Deport the family.
And if the family was american?

[whatukno]

And if the family was american?

I am not 100% certain, but I am pretty certain they either immigrated here legally, or were born here. But, this is the nationalism that is rife within the hard core right wing.

Nationalism never really ends well, just ask holocaust survivors from WWII.

[Safety]

I am not 100% certain, but I am pretty certain they either immigrated here legally, or were born here. But, this is the nationalism that is rife within the hard core right wing.

Nationalism never really ends well, just ask holocaust survivors from WWII.
No, I mean what if this kid was named Evan and was not muslim, where would his family have to deport to....

Or would there be no talks about deportation....

[whatukno]

No, I mean what if this kid was named Evan and was not muslim, where would his family have to deport to....

Or would there be no talks about deportation....

If this kid was not Muslim, there wouldn't have been a story at all. the cops would have never been called no matter how many classes this kid brought his clock to.

[Peter1469]

Clash of Civilizations (http://www.amazon.com/Clash-Civilizations-Remaking-World-Order/dp/1451628978).

At some point, even the castrated liberals will realize it. :wink:

[Bob]

Hmmm, you mean like the first five teachers who saw the size, lack of explosives, the frigging cord, and him saying it was a clock he made...
....or a bed wetting, hand winging, fear of anything not like them, teacher who saw him and his name and decided that he was trying to destroy the US from within.

If this was a kid named Sammy Cooper, we would still be talking about an email server located in a bathroom.

True, his first teachers did not see the possible use as a bomb.
I believe few of us can spot a bomb but I presume you think you are special.

Do you recall the bombs made by the mail bomber? His bombs looked quite normal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski

In general, the wiser person uses the evidence at hand and makes an assumption that could of course be wrong.

Nathan Hale was hanged by the British though in reality, he did not deserve death.

[JDubya]

Hmmm, you mean like the first five teachers who saw the size, lack of explosives, the frigging cord, and him saying it was a clock he made...
....or a bed wetting, hand winging, fear of anything not like them, teacher who saw him and his name and decided that he was trying to destroy the US from within.

If this was a kid named Sammy Cooper, we would still be talking about an email server located in a bathroom.

Again.... for the umpteenth time.... it was less about suspicion of it being a real bomb than it was about his possible intention to create a hoax.

Creating a hoax device to cause a commotion is illegal.

[Bob]

I don't think anybody thought he was trying to build an actual. The thought was that he was trying to build a hoax bomb. And since it looked LIKE a bomb, it wasn't unreasonable to SUSPECT he may have been trying to have built something that looked LIKE a bomb.

Nobody yet offered this, but I suspect an adult put it together and told him to take it to school.

If he got away with the device, the next could be an explosive.

[pragmatic]

Nobody yet offered this, but I suspect an adult put it together and told him to take it to school.

If he got away with the device, the next could be an explosive.

Your premise is a pretty big leap.

[William]

Nobody yet offered this, but I suspect an adult put it together and told him to take it to school.

If he got away with the device, the next could be an explosive.

TBH Bob, I don't think it is anything other than a dopey project that went wrong for a heap of reasons. Sure if it had been airport, someone might have questioned what it was, but really, I have seen loads of pictures of IEDs and they looked nothing like that.

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Only on TV do they look like cases with wires that beep - even I know that. :smiley:

[Tahuyaman]

Your premise is a pretty big leap.

Its not a huge leap to believe this could have been a test run.

[pragmatic]

Here is a little more background on Ahmed (which i stole from another forum.....btw.)

Good article. Worth a read.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/northwest-dallas-county/headlines/20150926-before-ahmeds-fame-fantastic-inventions-and-a-fight-with-authority.ece

[Cigar]

Two Weeks later ..... :laugh:

[Tahuyaman]

Just out of curiosity, has there been any newly broken news about this kid and his family?

[BB-35]

'
They watch the news, see young men dying
They watch them bleedin' and listen to them lyin'
And if they're normal if they can see
They just reach out and change the channel on the TV'-Bob Seeger

[pragmatic]

Just out of curiosity, has there been any newly broken news about this kid and his family?

Has the little fella visited the White House yet?

That should get some good coverage....

[Newpublius]

Has the little fella visited the White House yet?

That should get some good coverage....

It'll be curious to see what he'll tell the TSA before traveling by plane.

[Tahuyaman]

It'll be curious to see what he'll tell the TSA before traveling by plane.


He's been invited to a muslim get together in Qatar. Maybe he can go there first on a test run.

[Peter1469]

Deport the little creep.

[pragmatic]

Deport the little creep.


No. The stunt doesn't warrant being deported.

But it would be nice to recognize the event for was what it was (and what it wasn't)


Obama's knee jerk/political play of inviting little Ahmed to the White House was sort of pathetic.

[Common Sense]

No. The stunt doesn't warrant being deported.

But it would be nice to recognize the event was what it was (and what it wasn't)


Obama's knee jerk/political play of inviting little Ahmed to the White House was sort of pathetic.

Not to mention the kid was born in the US. Deport him to where? The US?

[Subdermal]

No. The stunt doesn't warrant being deported.

But it would be nice to recognize the event for was what it was (and what it wasn't)


Obama's knee jerk/political play of inviting little Ahmed to the White House was sort of pathetic.

So's this:

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