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Bo-4
10-06-2015, 08:49 AM
Al Hunt has it just about right ..

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The state of the Republican Party is summed up by a quote from the late cartoonist Walt Kelly: "We have met the enemy and he is us."

At both the presidential-campaign and congressional levels, the problems are self-induced. The party fostered unrealistic expectations (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-09-27/john-boehner-decries-false-prophets-in-republican-party), and the failure to meet them emboldened a nihilistic streak in a core of House Republicans and with the likes of Donald Trump. There is little agenda, lots of lashing out.

This is what led some Republicans in the House, encouraged by presidential candidates, to threaten to shut down the government if funding for Planned Parenthood wasn't ended. A USA Today survey showed that almost two-thirds of Americans favor federal support for the organization, which provides health care services for women. A small percentage of Planned Parenthood's budget goes to abortions, and that fraction isn't covered by the federal funds. In a list of a dozen organizations and political figures in a Wall Street Journal/NBC News (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/09/28/wsjnbc-poll-on-planned-parenthood-funding-voters-split-by-party/)poll, Planned Parenthood was viewed the most favorably.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-10-04/can-republicans-regain-control-of-their-party-

Green Arrow
10-06-2015, 08:54 AM
I think you need to worry more about your own party, when a widely unliked (even in your party) Old Guard politician like Hillary Clinton is still the frontrunner despite the candidate that actually represents the values of the Democratic Party rising strongly against her.

Chris
10-06-2015, 08:55 AM
Sad thing is now disappointed Americans will turn to Democrats with hope for something different, and they will fail again, so Americans will turn to Reps again...ad nauseum.

Matty
10-06-2015, 09:06 AM
I like the sound of " hot mess" I didn't think Republicans had it in them.

Bo-4
10-06-2015, 09:10 AM
I think you need to worry more about your own party, when a widely unliked (even in your party) Old Guard politician like Hillary Clinton is still the frontrunner despite the candidate that actually represents the values of the Democratic Party rising strongly against her.

Nah, we're in far better shape than Republicans. The American public concurs and primarily blames the do-nothing, intransigent Teapers for gridlock.

Republicans never figured out that 47 repeals of Obamacare, government shutdowns and opposing things that a vast majority of Americans were for was a dumb way to go.

And now that Kevin handed Hillary a ginormous bouquet of flowers ever by admitting the 9th Benghazi investigation was a ruse, she'll do fine.

Personally, don't care for Hilly and would rather see a Biden/Warren or Sanders/Warren ticket .. but again, don't even compare the current state of the parties.

TrueBlue
10-06-2015, 09:13 AM
The Republican Party is showing its true colors in that they are incapable of leading. When their own selected Speaker-to-be makes such an egregious blunder as the one made recently with reference to Hillary Clinton, that coupled by the fact that they have not been able to produce anything substantial to actually help Americans, they truly are in a Hot Mess. That will of course be remembered in 2016 when people head to the polls and overwhelmingly cast their votes for the Democrats.

Bo-4
10-06-2015, 09:20 AM
The Republican Party is showing its true colors in that they are incapable of leading. When their own selected Speaker-to-be makes such an egregious blunder as the one made recently with reference to Hillary Clinton, that coupled by the fact that they have not been able to produce anything substantial to actually help Americans, they truly are in a Hot Mess. That will of course be remembered in 2016 when people head to the polls and overwhelmingly cast their votes for the Democrats.

Indeed, they have grossly overplayed their lousy hand and people are sick of it.

Chris
10-06-2015, 09:26 AM
The Republican Party is showing its true colors in that they are incapable of leading. When their own selected Speaker-to-be makes such an egregious blunder as the one made recently with reference to Hillary Clinton, that coupled by the fact that they have not been able to produce anything substantial to actually help Americans, they truly are in a Hot Mess. That will of course be remembered in 2016 when people head to the polls and overwhelmingly cast their votes for the Democrats.


No difference than Democrats who failed before them and will fail after them.

Bo-4
10-06-2015, 09:36 AM
No difference than Democrats who failed before them and will fail after them.

Grumpy again today?

Yes, Obama is Bush, they're all the same and nothing really matters.

Kinda sad :(

Chris
10-06-2015, 09:47 AM
Grumpy again today?

Yes, Obama is Bush, they're all the same and nothing really matters.

Kinda sad :(

Grouchy again today.

Clones. Who'll be the next in line.

Cigar
10-06-2015, 09:58 AM
I think you need to worry more about your own party, when a widely unliked (even in your party) Old Guard politician like Hillary Clinton is still the frontrunner despite the candidate that actually represents the values of the Democratic Party rising strongly against her.

We don't have Losing Problem, you do.

Chris
10-06-2015, 09:59 AM
We don't have Losing Problem, you do.

We, the People, do.

Cigar
10-06-2015, 10:00 AM
We, the People, do.

Don't count me in that, I'm doing great.

Thanks Obama. :wink:

suds00
10-06-2015, 10:04 AM
unless we give up on democracy there's no way it's going to change.and maybe it shouldn't given the alternatives.

Chris
10-06-2015, 10:12 AM
Don't count me in that, I'm doing great.

Thanks Obama. :wink:

Lot of government contracts?

texan
10-06-2015, 10:17 AM
Imagine that a fight among the powerful for more power........................Oh yes the dems are immune to a fight like this one.

Common
10-06-2015, 10:28 AM
The GOP mess is going to get alot worse if Scalise gets Speaker. Hes a far right loon with ties to white supremists. He will be unreasonable uncompromising and the country will see upfront what far right conservatism means to the working class and the poor.

Cigar
10-06-2015, 10:31 AM
The GOP mess is going to get alot worse if Scalise gets Speaker. Hes a far right loon with ties to white supremists. He will be unreasonable uncompromising and the country will see upfront what far right conservatism means to the working class and the poor.

Shhhhh ... don't say anything ... :wink:

Lets just look forward to the 2017 Autopsy

Bo-4
10-06-2015, 10:35 AM
The GOP mess is going to get alot worse if Scalise gets Speaker. Hes a far right loon with ties to white supremists. He will be unreasonable uncompromising and the country will see upfront what far right conservatism means to the working class and the poor.

Maybe, but at least that guy can talk. If Kevin gets it, the collective average IQ of Congress will drop 50 points.

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 10:41 AM
Al Hunt has it just about right ..

The state of the Republican Party is summed up by a quote from the late cartoonist Walt Kelly: "We have met the enemy and he is us."

At both the presidential-campaign and congressional levels, the problems are self-induced. The party fostered unrealistic expectations (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-09-27/john-boehner-decries-false-prophets-in-republican-party), and the failure to meet them emboldened a nihilistic streak in a core of House Republicans and with the likes of Donald Trump. There is little agenda, lots of lashing out.

This is what led some Republicans in the House, encouraged by presidential candidates, to threaten to shut down the government if funding for Planned Parenthood wasn't ended. A USA Today survey showed that almost two-thirds of Americans favor federal support for the organization, which provides health care services for women. A small percentage of Planned Parenthood's budget goes to abortions, and that fraction isn't covered by the federal funds. In a list of a dozen organizations and political figures in a Wall Street Journal/NBC News (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/09/28/wsjnbc-poll-on-planned-parenthood-funding-voters-split-by-party/)poll, Planned Parenthood was viewed the most favorably.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-10-04/can-republicans-regain-control-of-their-party-

Nothing can be more ironic than watching uber liberal leftists predict the demise of the Republican Party after the massive ass kicking Democrats received in 2010 and again in 2014.

Only in liberal loony land is this a sign of a rising Democratic star particularly when the best they can produce as candidates for the 2016 election are four tired politically challenged old white people with one more two time loser expected to run.

Anyone want to lay bets on the lack of audience excitement the Democratic debates will elicit. It will pale compared to the massive audience Republicans got.

While Republicans internally fight to return their party back to its Constitutional core Liberty values, Democrats double down on more of the same old tired Marxist dogma.

If anything, Democrats are heading for a massive ass kicking in 2016 and they know it which explains the desperation to focus on perceived wrongs and in-fighting of Republicans.

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 10:42 AM
I think you need to worry more about your own party, when a widely unliked (even in your party) Old Guard politician like Hillary Clinton is still the frontrunner despite the candidate that actually represents the values of the Democratic Party rising strongly against her.

^True story

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 10:43 AM
Sad thing is now disappointed Americans will turn to Democrats with hope for something different, and they will fail again, so Americans will turn to Reps again...ad nauseum.

Translation: blah blah blah blah blah.

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 10:44 AM
Nah, we're in far better shape than Republicans. The American public concurs and primarily blames the do-nothing, intransigent Teapers for gridlock.

Republicans never figured out that 47 repeals of Obamacare, government shutdowns and opposing things that a vast majority of Americans were for was a dumb way to go.

And now that Kevin handed Hillary a ginormous bouquet of flowers ever by admitting the 9th Benghazi investigation was a ruse, she'll do fine.

Personally, don't care for Hilly and would rather see a Biden/Warren or Sanders/Warren ticket .. but again, don't even compare the current state of the parties.

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t542/apple-sauce38/Positive%20Reactions/laughing/biglaugh7_zpsd701e485.gif

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 10:44 AM
The Republican Party is showing its true colors in that they are incapable of leading. When their own selected Speaker-to-be makes such an egregious blunder as the one made recently with reference to Hillary Clinton, that coupled by the fact that they have not been able to produce anything substantial to actually help Americans, they truly are in a Hot Mess. That will of course be remembered in 2016 when people head to the polls and overwhelmingly cast their votes for the Democrats.

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t542/apple-sauce38/Positive%20Reactions/laughing/biglaugh7_zpsd701e485.gif

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 10:45 AM
The Republican Party is showing its true colors in that they are incapable of leading. When their own selected Speaker-to-be makes such an egregious blunder as the one made recently with reference to Hillary Clinton, that coupled by the fact that they have not been able to produce anything substantial to actually help Americans, they truly are in a Hot Mess. That will of course be remembered in 2016 when people head to the polls and overwhelmingly cast their votes for the Democrats.


Indeed, they have grossly overplayed their lousy hand and people are sick of it.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p497/Arek56/dumbDumber_19.gif

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 10:47 AM
We don't have Losing Problem, you do.

Yeah; Democrats did great in 2010 and 2014!!!

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t542/apple-sauce38/Positive%20Reactions/laughing/biglaugh7_zpsd701e485.gif

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 10:48 AM
unless we give up on democracy there's no way it's going to change.and maybe it shouldn't given the alternatives.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/woah1.gif

maineman
10-06-2015, 10:50 AM
Yeah; Democrats did great in 2010 and 2014!!!

we weren't running a candidate for president those years.

five of the last six times we did, our guy got more votes than your guy.

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 10:50 AM
The GOP mess is going to get alot worse if Scalise gets Speaker. Hes a far right loon with ties to white supremists. He will be unreasonable uncompromising and the country will see upfront what far right conservatism means to the working class and the poor.


Shhhhh ... don't say anything ... :wink:

Lets just look forward to the 2017 Autopsy


Maybe, but at least that guy can talk. If Kevin gets it, the collective average IQ of Congress will drop 50 points.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/2783a169ad3455782cb374cd59c9117b/tumblr_mm0szoeTzX1s4r51mo1_500.gif

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 10:59 AM
we weren't running a candidate for president those years.

five of the last six times we did, our guy got more votes than your guy.

There you go again, spouting that silly last six times meme. You'd think that after you were slapped with the facts you'd stop using that dumb claim. But Liberals are very slow learners apparently.

The history of the Presidency has always tended to be an exchange between Democrats and Republicans every eight years with Republicans winning a majority of them. Going back only five of the last six is pathetic and dumb.

Democrats have been losing their grip on legislative power for the last twenty years and it began in earnest during BillyBobs predatory Presidency.

The buffoonish man-child Obama succeeded in matching BillyBobs amazing talent for losing by doing the same in 2010 and 2014.

The current tiny homogenous group of Democratic candidates have elicited so little excitement that we rarely hear about any of them from the media because they are such an embarrassment. Hell, the guy getting the biggest crowds is an avowed Socialist borderline Marxist.

You know your party is in dire straights when liberal pundits clamor for a two time old white loser like Joe O'Biden to jump into the race in a desperate bid to salvage the mess Hillary has created for the party.

But as illustrated by the story on this thread, Liberal pundits appear poised to wallow in blissful denial in the desperate belief that if they can sling enough mud on the wall, some of it will stick.

Bo-4
10-06-2015, 11:02 AM
http://31.media.tumblr.com/2783a169ad3455782cb374cd59c9117b/tumblr_mm0szoeTzX1s4r51mo1_500.gif

You've succeeded in bringing down the collective IQ of this thread 50 points.

Congrats - i guess.

Matty
10-06-2015, 11:35 AM
See? There is a lot of hatred for right wingers. Are we close to another civil war?

Chris
10-06-2015, 11:41 AM
See? There is a lot of hatred for right wingers. Are we close to another civil war?

Nah, it's mostly hot air.

maineman
10-06-2015, 11:54 AM
There you go again, spouting that silly last six times meme. You'd think that after you were slapped with the facts you'd stop using that dumb claim. But Liberals are very slow learners apparently.

The history of the Presidency has always tended to be an exchange between Democrats and Republicans every eight years with Republicans winning a majority of them. Going back only five of the last six is pathetic and dumb.

Democrats have been losing their grip on legislative power for the last twenty years and it began in earnest during BillyBobs predatory Presidency.

The buffoonish man-child Obama succeeded in matching BillyBobs amazing talent for losing by doing the same in 2010 and 2014.

The current tiny homogenous group of Democratic candidates have elicited so little excitement that we rarely hear about any of them from the media because they are such an embarrassment. Hell, the guy getting the biggest crowds is an avowed Socialist borderline Marxist.

You know your party is in dire straights when liberal pundits clamor for a two time old white loser like Joe O'Biden to jump into the race in a desperate bid to salvage the mess Hillary has created for the party.

But as illustrated by the story on this thread, Liberal pundits appear poised to wallow in blissful denial in the desperate belief that if they can sling enough mud on the wall, some of it will stick.

slapped with the "facts"? wtf are you talking about? It is YOU who have run away from the FACT that more Americans have preferred the democratic candidate to the republican candidate in five of the last six presidential elections.

I have acknowledged that republicans do better in regional elections. They DON'T do as well in national ones. That is just a fact.

TrueBlue
10-06-2015, 12:04 PM
Originally Posted by Twenty-Sixteen

See? There is a lot of hatred for right wingers. Are we close to another civil war?



Nah, it's mostly hot air.

Or maybe not.

Chris
10-06-2015, 12:07 PM
Or maybe not.

So Dems and Reps are going to start a civil war.

http://i.snag.gy/lr4HM.jpg


Will it be televised?

decedent
10-06-2015, 12:07 PM
Trump is sliding up and down the polls.

But he's just teasing us. He's got everything under control, as always.

TrueBlue
10-06-2015, 12:08 PM
See? There is a lot of hatred for right wingers. Are we close to another civil war?

They have no one to blame but themselves for that. And with Kevin's latest admission, it has fed great fuel to the political fire! There aren't enough firemen to stop this one either.

The Xl
10-06-2015, 12:09 PM
Both parties are in complete shambles

Chris
10-06-2015, 12:11 PM
They have no one to blame but themselves for that. And with Kevin's latest admission, it has fed great fuel to the political fire! There aren't enough firemen to stop this one either.

So let's see, you left wingers hate right wingers and right wingers hate left wingers and they no one to blame but themselves for that...OK.

TrueBlue
10-06-2015, 12:12 PM
So Dems and Reps are going to start a civil war.

http://i.snag.gy/lr4HM.jpg


Will it be televised?
Where have you been these past few days my man? It's already started with Kevin's comment about Hillary Clinton.

And YES! It IS already being televised! Watch! :)

​resource://youtubeanywhereplayer/icon16.pnghttps://youtu.be/TX8AAUOGKSg (https://youtu.be/TX8AAUOGKSg)

TrueBlue
10-06-2015, 12:15 PM
So let's see, you left wingers hate right wingers and right wingers hate left wingers and they no one to blame but themselves for that...OK.

That's the way the ball bounces, bud. But it's all due to Republicans and what they have tried to do to Hillary Clinton let's not forget. http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/yahoo/1.gif

Chris
10-06-2015, 12:15 PM
Where have you been these past few days my man? It's already started with Kevin's comment about Hillary Clinton.

And YES! It IS already being televised! Watch! :)

​resource://youtubeanywhereplayer/icon16.pnghttps://youtu.be/TX8AAUOGKSg (https://youtu.be/TX8AAUOGKSg)


That's a civil war.

That's why I laugh.

TrueBlue
10-06-2015, 12:19 PM
That's a civil war.

That's why I laugh.

Oh baby, just wait. Just. You. Wait. And this is nothing right now! :)

Matty
10-06-2015, 12:20 PM
They have no one to blame but themselves for that. And with Kevin's latest admission, it has fed great fuel to the political fire! There aren't enough firemen to stop this one either.

You are upset because they had a strategy? Why aren't the democrats smart enough to get a stratagey?

Matty
10-06-2015, 12:23 PM
The way I see it is even if the Republicans had a strategy it doesn't mean Mrs. Clinton is innocent. Benghazi still happened. And she did destroy evidence.

TrueBlue
10-06-2015, 12:24 PM
You are upset because they had a strategy? Why aren't the democrats smart enough to get a stratagey?

http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/ahswen/80.gifWe Do! Believe me, We Do!! http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/ahswen/44.gif

Chris
10-06-2015, 12:27 PM
Oh baby, just wait. Just. You. Wait. And this is nothing right now! :)

What, for the Second Coming?

TrueBlue
10-06-2015, 12:34 PM
The way I see it is even if the Republicans had a strategy it doesn't mean Mrs. Clinton is innocent. Benghazi still happened. And she did destroy evidence.

She is innocent of what Republicans are trying to accuse her of. She is clearly being railroaded by the right! Fortunately, McCarthy has gone on to prove that, which is tremendous evidence for Hillary's campaign to use all the way to election day as well as her future testimonies about that. Benghazi happened due to Republicans de-funding security there you shouldn't forget. As for the "evidence", if you're talking the e-mails, it was not classified as high risk during the time Hillary used it as has been stated and re-stated by investigators. Enough said.

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From: http://thinkprogress.org/security/20...assy-security/

"Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge Republicans rejected."

Chris
10-06-2015, 12:35 PM
She is innocent of what Republicans are trying to accuse her of. She is clearly being railroaded by the right! Fortunately, McCarthy has gone on to prove that, which is tremendous evidence for Hillary's campaign to use all the way to election day as well as her future testimonies about that. Benghazi happened due to Republicans de-funding security there you shouldn't forget. As for the "evidence", if you're talking the e-mails, it was not classified as high risk during the time Hillary used it as has been stated and re-stated by investigators. Enough said.

====================
From: http://thinkprogress.org/security/20...assy-security/




She's guilty, untrustworthy, incompetent.

Green Arrow
10-06-2015, 01:02 PM
We don't have Losing Problem, you do.

I do? Sometimes, sure. I voted for a Democrat for my district's U.S. House seat in 2012 and 2014, and she lost both times. I voted for Barack Obama in 2012 and he won.

Green Arrow
10-06-2015, 01:07 PM
The problem with partisans is...no, nevermind, it's too much to write for a silly thread like this. I'll post it in its own thread when I get off work.

TrueBlue
10-06-2015, 01:53 PM
She's guilty, untrustworthy, incompetent.

In your dreams and only there.

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 02:00 PM
slapped with the "facts"? wtf are you talking about? It is YOU who have run away from the FACT that more Americans have preferred the democratic candidate to the republican candidate in five of the last six presidential elections.

I have acknowledged that republicans do better in regional elections. They DON'T do as well in national ones. That is just a fact.

There you go again pretending only Democrats do well in Presidential elections by only going back six elections. Let's look at ALL the elections since Wilson.

There have been EIGHT Democratic Presidents and NINE Republicans.

As I stated, the Presidency is on this permanent loop where every OTHER eight years the party in the White House changes. What is much more illustrative of winning and losing are the Legislators and local offices. In that regard, Democrats have permanently lost their 40 plus year stranglehold on the House and Senate and State houses.

That is what we call LOSING. But hey, Liberals love denial so you desperately cling to that last six presidency meme.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e127/mcollinknight/Jon%20and%20Stephen%20get%20their%20own%20album/stephen_laughs.gif

Matty
10-06-2015, 02:01 PM
She is innocent of what Republicans are trying to accuse her of. She is clearly being railroaded by the right! Fortunately, McCarthy has gone on to prove that, which is tremendous evidence for Hillary's campaign to use all the way to election day as well as her future testimonies about that. Benghazi happened due to Republicans de-funding security there you shouldn't forget. As for the "evidence", if you're talking the e-mails, it was not classified as high risk during the time Hillary used it as has been stated and re-stated by investigators. Enough said.

====================
From: http://thinkprogress.org/security/20...assy-security/




You must be totally unaware of the fact that Mrs. Lamb testified to the contrary. Funding was not a factor.


https://sayanythingblog.com/entry/congressional-testimony-shoots-down-embassy-budget-talking-point/




i thought everyone knew that.

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 02:01 PM
That's the way the ball bounces, bud. But it's all due to Republicans and what they have tried to do to Hillary Clinton let's not forget. http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/yahoo/1.gif

Republicans have done NOTHING related to Hillary's issues; all her issues have been self-inflicted. I wish you had even the slightest clue of what you are erupting about.

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 02:03 PM
I do? Sometimes, sure. I voted for a Democrat for my district's U.S. House seat in 2012 and 2014, and she lost both times. I voted for Barack Obama in 2012 and he won.


The problem with partisans is...no, nevermind, it's too much to write for a silly thread like this. I'll post it in its own thread when I get off work.

You're voting straight party ticket; but we're all partisans?

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t542/apple-sauce38/Positive%20Reactions/laughing/biglaugh7_zpsd701e485.gif

Bob
10-06-2015, 02:10 PM
You're voting straight party ticket; but we're all partisans?

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t542/apple-sauce38/Positive Reactions/laughing/biglaugh7_zpsd701e485.gif


:applause:

Chris
10-06-2015, 02:22 PM
In your dreams and only there.


Look at her poll numbers as they take a dive and say that with a straight face.

zelmo1234
10-06-2015, 02:24 PM
Don't count me in that, I'm doing great.

Thanks Obama. :wink:

Yes but you admitted not this very forum that you and your brother took advantage of the fire sale and you do work for the government.

That is taking advantage of a fire sale. Not we need the economy to recover so we can really reap the rewards

9 years of economic stagnation is terrible.

zelmo1234
10-06-2015, 02:28 PM
The GOP mess is going to get alot worse if Scalise gets Speaker. Hes a far right loon with ties to white supremists. He will be unreasonable uncompromising and the country will see upfront what far right conservatism means to the working class and the poor.

You mean the same working class that have benefited from the Obama administration with 5K less per year in income a 50% increase in the cost of their healthcare, a loss of 40% of their wealth and sky high unemployment?

I think that even the poor are ready for a change.

zelmo1234
10-06-2015, 02:31 PM
we weren't running a candidate for president those years.

five of the last six times we did, our guy got more votes than your guy.

So then why is it that the economy still is in the shitter?

zelmo1234
10-06-2015, 02:33 PM
See? There is a lot of hatred for right wingers. Are we close to another civil war?

Well it should take long, the left has not guns.

Common Sense
10-06-2015, 03:45 PM
Well it should take long, the left has not guns.

Is that in olde English?

I has guns.

TrueBlue
10-06-2015, 03:52 PM
So then why is it that the economy still is in the shitter?

It's not the economy that is. You are. Get on with it already because you know what they say. "No job is ever complete until the paperwork is done." :)

Chris
10-06-2015, 03:56 PM
So then why is it that the economy still is in the shitter?

No no no, it's election time, the economy, under Obama, is now suddenly doing fine. Great Recession, what Great Recession?

TrueBlue
10-06-2015, 03:56 PM
Look at her poll numbers as they take a dive and say that with a straight face.

What are you talking about, you should know better! The one who surely can't say with a straight face that all is being done correctly by his party is McCarthy.

TrueBlue
10-06-2015, 04:02 PM
Republicans have done NOTHING related to Hillary's issues; all her issues have been self-inflicted. I wish you had even the slightest clue of what you are erupting about.
Total denial of responsibility by the right, as Kevin Mc has brought out, suddenly has taken front row center in your party. So, no matter what you all say from now on the can of worms has been opened by Kev and we sure know the truth to the matter now. And we won't forget!

Chris
10-06-2015, 04:25 PM
What are you talking about, you should know better! The one who surely can't say with a straight face that all is being done correctly by his party is McCarthy.

What are you talking about, TrueBlue? I'm not a Republican. It's always funny to see partisans do that.

Green Arrow
10-06-2015, 04:31 PM
You're voting straight party ticket; but we're all partisans?

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t542/apple-sauce38/Positive Reactions/laughing/biglaugh7_zpsd701e485.gif

Where did I say I voted straight party ticket?

Chris
10-06-2015, 04:33 PM
Where did I say I voted straight party ticket?

You didn't.

Green Arrow
10-06-2015, 04:38 PM
Bob, since you liked his post, kindly point out where I said I voted straight party ticket.

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 04:43 PM
Where did I say I voted straight party ticket?

I voted for a Democrat for my district's U.S. House seat in 2012 and 2014, and she lost both times. I voted for Barack Obama in 2012 and he won.

DER

Green Arrow
10-06-2015, 04:45 PM
I voted for a Democrat for my district's U.S. House seat in 2012 and 2014, and she lost both times. I voted for Barack Obama in 2012 and he won.

DER

Right, I said I voted for a Democrat for my U.S. House seat and for President. That's two out of several offices. Or do you think U.S. House and President are the only elections on a ballot?

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 04:49 PM
Right, I said I voted for a Democrat for my U.S. House seat and for President. That's two out of several offices. Or do you think U.S. House and President are the only elections on a ballot?

I can only go by what you post; should I be reading your mind? Do share how you are a-political in your voting habits.

Green Arrow
10-06-2015, 04:59 PM
I can only go by what you post; should I be reading your mind?

No, but you could avoid showing your ass and just refrain from making assumptions about people when you don't know if it's true.


Do share how you are a-political in your voting habits.

In 2012, I voted Democrat for President, U.S. House, and Mayor, Libertarian for U.S. Senate, Republican for state House and Senate, and Republican for the other assorted state and local level offices. In 2014, I voted Democrat for U.S. House and Senate, Green for Governor, and Republican for other assorted state and local level offices.

Even going back farther than that, I voted straight ticket Republican in California in 2010, and would have in 2008 too if I had been legally old enough to vote. I did work for the McCain campaign, though.

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 05:03 PM
No, but you could avoid showing your ass and just refrain from making assumptions about people when you don't know if it's true.

I see; you NEVER make ASSumptions about people claiming they are partisan when they disagree with your incoherent ramblings then?

I think it is painfully obvious who is "showing their ass".


In 2012, I voted Democrat for President, U.S. House, and Mayor, Libertarian for U.S. Senate, Republican for state House and Senate, and Republican for the other assorted state and local level offices. In 2014, I voted Democrat for U.S. House and Senate, Green for Governor, and Republican for other assorted state and local level offices.

Even going back farther than that, I voted straight ticket Republican in California in 2010, and would have in 2008 too if I had been legally old enough to vote. I did work for the McCain campaign, though.

So your not really a-political; you're merely politically confused in a serious way.

For example; what policies did you agree with in your choice of Obama over Romney?

Green Arrow
10-06-2015, 05:07 PM
I see; you NEVER make ASSumptions about people claiming they are partisan when they disagree with your incoherent ramblings then?

I do because I'm human. But if I'm wrong, I'll own it and apologize instead of trying to make it out like it's YOUR fault I made a stupid assumption.


So your not really a-political; you're merely politically confused in a serious way.

How do you come to that conclusion? I have no partisan loyalties. Parties as a whole don't represent my views accurately, so I have to choose candidates rather than parties.


For example; what policies did you agree with in your choice of Obama over Romney?

Not much, most of the issues were hindsight, stuff he did after the election that couldn't have influenced my vote. For example, normalization of relations with Cuba and stronger diplomatic efforts. That vote was more to show the futility of voting in a presidential election than to actually support a candidate. If I had my way, neither one of them would have been on the ballot.

If I had a chance to do it over again, I'd vote for Jill Stein of the Green Party or Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party.

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 05:12 PM
I do because I'm human. But if I'm wrong, I'll own it and apologize instead of trying to make it out like it's YOUR fault I made a stupid assumption.

How do you come to that conclusion? I have no partisan loyalties. Parties as a whole don't represent my views accurately, so I have to choose candidates rather than parties.

Not much, most of the issues were hindsight, stuff he did after the election that couldn't have influenced my vote. For example, normalization of relations with Cuba and stronger diplomatic efforts. That vote was more to show the futility of voting in a presidential election than to actually support a candidate. If I had my way, neither one of them would have been on the ballot.

If I had a chance to do it over again, I'd vote for Jill Stein of the Green Party or Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party.

So you prefer to throw your votes away based on an ideological value I still can't put my hands around?

Still waiting for the answer on how Republicans are no different than Democrats.

Bob
10-06-2015, 05:14 PM
@Bob (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1013), since you liked his post, kindly point out where I said I voted straight party ticket.

Liking it does not imply I must engage in dialogue.

Green Arrow
10-06-2015, 05:15 PM
So you prefer to throw your votes away based on an ideological value I still can't put my hands around?

I prefer to stand up for my principles and vote for those principles, yeah. That's what you do when you have principles.


Still waiting for the answer on how Republicans are no different than Democrats.

You'll be waiting awhile, I don't have the time right now.

Green Arrow
10-06-2015, 05:15 PM
Liking it does not imply I must engage in dialogue.

No, of course not. That would take some intellectual honesty.

Chris
10-06-2015, 05:27 PM
I can only go by what you post; should I be reading your mind? Do share how you are a-political in your voting habits.

I'd suggest reading other people's words instead of reading your own mind. That's the only place your conclusion Green votes straight party could have come.

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 05:29 PM
I prefer to stand up for my principles and vote for those principles, yeah. That's what you do when you have principles.

I'm struggling to comprehend what principles guided you in voting for Obama.


You'll be waiting awhile, I don't have the time right now.

I can wait.

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 05:30 PM
No, of course not. That would take some intellectual honesty.

Are you claiming that's what you have when you call people "partisans?"

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k528/keveri/Misc/Laughing-chimp-gif-animation.gif

Tahuyaman
10-06-2015, 05:30 PM
The Republican Party is a hot mess

You partisan Democrats can think anything you want if it makes you feel better.

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 05:30 PM
I'd suggest reading other people's words instead of reading your own mind. That's the only place your conclusion Green votes straight party could have come.

I'd suggest you mind your own business and allow Green and I to work out our political differences. He's not a child who needs you to come to his defense.

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 05:32 PM
You partisan Democrats can think anything you want if it makes you feel better.

It's rather ironic when they shout "partisan" on a thread started by a Democratic supporter that is strictly intended to be "partisan" and provocative.

maineman
10-06-2015, 05:32 PM
You partisan Democrats can think anything you want if it makes you feel better.

same with you partisan republicans.

maineman
10-06-2015, 05:34 PM
I'm struggling to comprehend what principles guided you in voting for Obama.


in my case, the answer is the principles embodied in the Democratic Party Platform.

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 05:45 PM
in my case, the answer is the principles embodied in the Democratic Party Platform.

Is your name Green Arrow? NO.

I know why you voted for him; he had a BIG "D" next to his name.

Tahuyaman
10-06-2015, 05:50 PM
same with you partisan republicans.


Here he chimes in with his usual.... Oh yeah, Same to you but more of it... Type comment.

Every time me he makes a comment, I roll my eyes.

Tahuyaman
10-06-2015, 05:51 PM
I know why you voted for him; he had a BIG "D" next to his name.


He's a proud partisan hack.

Green Arrow
10-06-2015, 06:05 PM
I'm struggling to comprehend what principles guided you in voting for Obama.

I told you, I voted for him to demonstrate the futility of voting in presidential elections. My vote for Obama did nothing to help Obama win, because Tennessee still went deep red for Romney.

Although, granted, voting for Romney would have been better, because Romney lost, so I could say that my vote for Romney was futile because it didn't help him win. Either way, the point is made.

Green Arrow
10-06-2015, 06:06 PM
It's rather ironic when they shout "partisan" on a thread started by a Democratic supporter that is strictly intended to be "partisan" and provocative.
Bo-4 is a partisan too. I said as much in my first post on this thread. He knows well enough by now that I consider him a partisan.

Chris
10-06-2015, 06:07 PM
I'd suggest you mind your own business and allow Green and I to work out our political differences. He's not a child who needs you to come to his defense.

It's a public forum where anything posted for public consumption is open to public criticism. Use PMs you want a private conversation.

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 06:21 PM
I told you, I voted for him to demonstrate the futility of voting in presidential elections. My vote for Obama did nothing to help Obama win, because Tennessee still went deep red for Romney.

Although, granted, voting for Romney would have been better, because Romney lost, so I could say that my vote for Romney was futile because it didn't help him win. Either way, the point is made.

So you have ZERO political values. Thanks for clearing that up.

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 06:22 PM
It's a public forum where anything posted for public consumption is open to public criticism. Use PMs you want a private conversation.

Which is exactly why I suggested you mind your own business and allow Green and I to work out our political differences. He's not a child who needs you to come to his defense.

Now run along; life is too short for your special brand of dishonesty.

Chris
10-06-2015, 06:23 PM
Which is exactly why I suggested you mind your own business and allow Green and I to work out our political differences. He's not a child who needs you to come to his defense.

Now run along; life is too short for your special brand of dishonesty.

It's a public forum where anything posted for public consumption is open to public criticism. Use PMs you want a private conversation.

Chris
10-06-2015, 06:25 PM
So you have ZERO political values. Thanks for clearing that up.

How do you ever arrive at such stupid conclusions? What kind of illogic do you use?

maineman
10-06-2015, 06:29 PM
Is your name Green Arrow? NO.

I know why you voted for him; he had a BIG "D" next to his name.

again, asshole, if you want to have a private conversation, use PM's.

The principles I support are contained in the Democratic Party Platform. It is no big surprise, is it, that we disagree on those principles?

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 06:32 PM
again, $#@!, if you want to have a private conversation, use PM's.

The principles I support are contained in the Democratic Party Platform. It is no big surprise, is it, that we disagree on those principles?

Wrong; you vote that way because they have a BIG "D" next to their names. Democrats have no principals other than lying to stay elected and their incredible insatiable appettite for political power.

Chris
10-06-2015, 06:35 PM
again, asshole, if you want to have a private conversation, use PM's.

The principles I support are contained in the Democratic Party Platform. It is no big surprise, is it, that we disagree on those principles?


Wrong; you vote that way because they have a BIG "D" next to their names. Democrats have no principals other than lying to stay elected and their incredible insatiable appettite for political power.


Great argument, truth, he says what he believes and then you reject that and make something up and argue from that straw man. Amazing, really is, how illogical that is.

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 06:39 PM
Great argument, truth, he says what he believes and then you reject that and make something up and argue from that straw man. Amazing, really is, how illogical that is.

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Chris
10-06-2015, 06:40 PM
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n15/hallgath/yawn.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/hallgath/media/yawn.gif.html)

Now there's a great argument. You're falling asleep.

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 06:43 PM
Now there's a great argument. You're falling asleep.

Nothing more pathetic than watching you troll and bait my posts Chris; good luck with that.

Chris
10-06-2015, 06:45 PM
Nothing more pathetic than watching you troll and bait my posts Chris; good luck with that.

My only aim is to keep you talking. People will see what's behind the curtain.

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 06:46 PM
My only aim is to keep you talking. People will see what's behind the curtain.

Translation; trolling my posts.

But at least now you are admitting it.

Green Arrow
10-06-2015, 06:49 PM
So you have ZERO political values. Thanks for clearing that up.

That was an illogical conclusion to take from my post.

Chris
10-06-2015, 06:53 PM
Translation; trolling my posts.

But at least now you are admitting it.



There you go again. Someone posts something. You, in your mind, translate it to something else entirely, and then you argue against what you make up. Talk about intellectual dishonesty!



I thought you were falling asleep. That wasn't a true image of you then? Even that was fake?

Truth Detector
10-06-2015, 07:16 PM
Talk about intellectual dishonesty!

You define the term.

Originally Posted by Chris View Post
My only aim is to keep you talking. People will see what's behind the curtain.

The definition of a troll; but you keep spinning Chris. It will turn you into a fine Liberal politician some day.

Chris
10-06-2015, 07:19 PM
You define the term.

Originally Posted by Chris View Post
My only aim is to keep you talking. People will see what's behind the curtain.

The definition of a troll; but you keep spinning Chris. It will turn you into a fine Liberal politician some day.


More made up stuff. Keep it up.

Professor Peabody
10-06-2015, 09:15 PM
Nah, we're in far better shape than Republicans. The American public concurs and primarily blames the do-nothing, intransigent Teapers for gridlock.

Republicans never figured out that 47 repeals of Obamacare, government shutdowns and opposing things that a vast majority of Americans were for was a dumb way to go.

And now that Kevin handed Hillary a ginormous bouquet of flowers ever by admitting the 9th Benghazi investigation was a ruse, she'll do fine.

Personally, don't care for Hilly and would rather see a Biden/Warren or Sanders/Warren ticket .. but again, don't even compare the current state of the parties.



Iowa: Trump vs. Clinton (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_trump_vs_clinton-5597.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283708713/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-Iowa-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Trump 48, Clinton 41 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_trump_vs_clinton-5597.html)
Trump +7


Iowa: Bush vs. Clinton (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_bush_vs_clinton-3996.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283708713/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-Iowa-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Bush 50, Clinton 40 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_bush_vs_clinton-3996.html)
Bush +10


Iowa: Fiorina vs. Clinton (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_fiorina_vs_clinton-5598.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283708713/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-Iowa-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Fiorina 52, Clinton 38 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_fiorina_vs_clinton-5598.html)
Fiorina +14


Iowa: Trump vs. Sanders (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_trump_vs_sanders-5600.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283708713/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-Iowa-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Sanders 48, Trump 43 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_trump_vs_sanders-5600.html)
Sanders +5


Iowa: Bush vs. Sanders (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_bush_vs_sanders-5561.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283708713/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-Iowa-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Bush 46, Sanders 44 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_bush_vs_sanders-5561.html)
Bush +2


Iowa: Fiorina vs. Sanders (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_fiorina_vs_sanders-5697.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283708713/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-Iowa-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Fiorina 45, Sanders 42 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_fiorina_vs_sanders-5697.html)
Fiorina +3


New Hampshire: Trump vs. Clinton (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_trump_vs_clinton-5596.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283709043/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-New-Hampshire-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Clinton 48, Trump 45 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_trump_vs_clinton-5596.html)
Clinton +3


New Hampshire: Bush vs. Clinton (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_bush_vs_clinton-4114.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283709043/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-New-Hampshire-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Bush 49, Clinton 42 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_bush_vs_clinton-4114.html)
Bush +7


New Hampshire: Fiorina vs. Clinton (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_fiorina_vs_clinton-5662.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283709043/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-New-Hampshire-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Fiorina 50, Clinton 42 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_fiorina_vs_clinton-5662.html)
Fiorina +8


New Hampshire: Trump vs. Sanders (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_trump_vs_sanders-5668.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283709043/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-New-Hampshire-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Sanders 52, Trump 42 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_trump_vs_sanders-5668.html)
Sanders +10


New Hampshire: Bush vs. Sanders (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_bush_vs_sanders-5666.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283709043/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-New-Hampshire-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Sanders 46, Bush 46 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_bush_vs_sanders-5666.html)
Tie


New Hampshire: Fiorina vs. Sanders (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_fiorina_vs_sanders-5698.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283709043/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-New-Hampshire-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Sanders 47, Fiorina 45 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_fiorina_vs_sanders-5698.html)
Sanders +2



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

We can all see you're right.

Green Arrow
10-06-2015, 09:45 PM
Iowa: Trump vs. Clinton (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_trump_vs_clinton-5597.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283708713/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-Iowa-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Trump 48, Clinton 41 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_trump_vs_clinton-5597.html)
Trump +7


Iowa: Bush vs. Clinton (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_bush_vs_clinton-3996.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283708713/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-Iowa-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Bush 50, Clinton 40 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_bush_vs_clinton-3996.html)
Bush +10


Iowa: Fiorina vs. Clinton (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_fiorina_vs_clinton-5598.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283708713/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-Iowa-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Fiorina 52, Clinton 38 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_fiorina_vs_clinton-5598.html)
Fiorina +14


Iowa: Trump vs. Sanders (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_trump_vs_sanders-5600.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283708713/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-Iowa-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Sanders 48, Trump 43 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_trump_vs_sanders-5600.html)
Sanders +5


Iowa: Bush vs. Sanders (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_bush_vs_sanders-5561.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283708713/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-Iowa-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Bush 46, Sanders 44 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_bush_vs_sanders-5561.html)
Bush +2


Iowa: Fiorina vs. Sanders (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_fiorina_vs_sanders-5697.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283708713/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-Iowa-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Fiorina 45, Sanders 42 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_fiorina_vs_sanders-5697.html)
Fiorina +3


New Hampshire: Trump vs. Clinton (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_trump_vs_clinton-5596.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283709043/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-New-Hampshire-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Clinton 48, Trump 45 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_trump_vs_clinton-5596.html)
Clinton +3


New Hampshire: Bush vs. Clinton (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_bush_vs_clinton-4114.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283709043/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-New-Hampshire-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Bush 49, Clinton 42 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_bush_vs_clinton-4114.html)
Bush +7


New Hampshire: Fiorina vs. Clinton (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_fiorina_vs_clinton-5662.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283709043/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-New-Hampshire-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Fiorina 50, Clinton 42 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_fiorina_vs_clinton-5662.html)
Fiorina +8


New Hampshire: Trump vs. Sanders (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_trump_vs_sanders-5668.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283709043/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-New-Hampshire-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Sanders 52, Trump 42 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_trump_vs_sanders-5668.html)
Sanders +10


New Hampshire: Bush vs. Sanders (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_bush_vs_sanders-5666.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283709043/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-New-Hampshire-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Sanders 46, Bush 46 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_bush_vs_sanders-5666.html)
Tie


New Hampshire: Fiorina vs. Sanders (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_fiorina_vs_sanders-5698.html)
NBC/WSJ/Marist (https://www.scribd.com/doc/283709043/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-New-Hampshire-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015)
Sanders 47, Fiorina 45 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_fiorina_vs_sanders-5698.html)
Sanders +2



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

We can all see you're right.

It also has Sanders handily trumping Trump, beating Fiorina, and tying Bush, so you may not want to try so hard to tank Clinton.

hanger4
10-06-2015, 09:56 PM
It also has Sanders handily trumping Trump, beating Fiorina, and tying Bush, so you may not want to try so hard to tank Clinton.

Anybody but Hillary. I believe she's all about Hillary and cares about nothing but Hillary. This email kerfuffel shows me nothing but incompetence. If she's that slack as SoS god forbid she becomes President.

Professor Peabody
10-06-2015, 10:05 PM
It also has Sanders handily trumping Trump, beating Fiorina, and tying Bush, so you may not want to try so hard to tank Clinton.

The new "McGovern" doesn't stand a chance. We're talking New Hampshire right next to Vermont Sanders Home State.

Green Arrow
10-06-2015, 10:07 PM
The new "McGovern" doesn't stand a chance.

Evidently he stands a pretty decent chance in Iowa and New Hampshire. Especially if Trump is your nominee.

Professor Peabody
10-06-2015, 10:11 PM
Evidently he stands a pretty decent chance in Iowa and New Hampshire. Especially if Trump is your nominee.

Mr. Rape fantasies is going nowhere.

Kurmugeon
10-07-2015, 01:48 AM
So Dems and Reps are going to start a civil war.

http://i.snag.gy/lr4HM.jpg


Will it be televised?

Well, I'll listen for the start of gun fire. I've got plenty of ammo and I live in a blue state, i.e. a target rich environment.

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Bo-4
10-07-2015, 08:08 AM
It's rather ironic when they shout "partisan" on a thread started by a Democratic supporter that is strictly intended to be "partisan" and provocative.

Nice to know that you and Tahuya are not partisans. :rolleyes:

Ransom
10-07-2015, 08:09 AM
The GOP might indeed be a mess.....but the VP ain't 'threatening' to enter into our Primary.

Oops.

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 08:11 AM
The GOP might indeed be a mess.....but the VP ain't 'threatening' to enter into our Primary.

Oops.

Better hope he doesn't... He gets the nom and the Dems are a lock.

zelmo1234
10-07-2015, 08:13 AM
Better hope he doesn't... He gets the nom and the Dems are a lock.

For What???? Biden is a walking Gaff.

And he represents failure.

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 08:27 AM
For What???? Biden is a walking Gaff.

And he represents failure.

Biden's gaffes add to his charm and failure is something the American public seems to gravitate to...At least for the last 15 years...

Chris
10-07-2015, 08:29 AM
For What???? Biden is a walking Gaff.

And he represents failure.

And Hillary and Trump are?

zelmo1234
10-07-2015, 08:33 AM
And Hillary and Trump are?

Not going to be President either

Truth Detector
10-07-2015, 09:42 AM
Nice to know that you and Tahuya are not partisans. :rolleyes:

Who claimed we weren't partisan? DUH

My political views however are not.

Truth Detector
10-07-2015, 09:45 AM
Better hope he doesn't... He gets the nom and the Dems are a lock.

You know your party is in a mess when the dumbest man in AmeriKa, Joe "buy a shotgun" O'Biden is viewed as your party's savior.

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t542/apple-sauce38/Positive%20Reactions/laughing/biglaugh7_zpsd701e485.gif

Truth Detector
10-07-2015, 09:46 AM
Biden's gaffes add to his charm and failure is something the American public seems to gravitate to...At least for the last 15 years...

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e127/mcollinknight/Jon%20and%20Stephen%20get%20their%20own%20album/stephen_laughs.gif

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 09:48 AM
You know your party is in a mess when the dumbest man in AmeriKa, Joe "buy a shotgun" O'Biden is viewed as your party's savior.

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t542/apple-sauce38/Positive Reactions/laughing/biglaugh7_zpsd701e485.gif

Not a Democrat you lemming... Isn't Limbaugh coming on? Yeah definitely Limbaugh at 3:00 yeah definitely....

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 09:51 AM
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e127/mcollinknight/Jon and Stephen get their own album/stephen_laughs.gif

Your party is in shambles brah and the candidates you have up save Carson and Paul are complete clowns. Just saying, if you don't put one of those guys you're gonna lose the independent vote to Biden...

Now...more fun .gifs or did you plan on debating on this internet debate forum?

Ransom
10-07-2015, 10:07 AM
Your party is in shambles brah and the candidates you have up save Carson and Paul are complete clowns. Just saying, if you don't put one of those guys you're gonna lose the independent vote to Biden...

Now...more fun .gifs or did you plan on debating on this internet debate forum?


http://humanevents.com/2014/11/04/election-night-2014-results/

Now back to reality rather than what the Private is being fed from Oprah.

Largest majorities since world war 2.......yet in a mere 11 months......we're in shambles?

Caught watching too much tv again......oops.

Ransom
10-07-2015, 10:09 AM
Better hope he doesn't... He gets the nom and the Dems are a lock.

A lock?

Why such a lock for the GOP 11 months ago?

Watch this...again.

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 10:10 AM
http://humanevents.com/2014/11/04/election-night-2014-results/

Now back to reality rather than what the Private is being fed from Oprah.

Largest majorities since world war 2.......yet in a mere 11 months......we're in shambles?

Caught watching too much tv again......oops.

Yeah...look at all that great stuff they got done with those majorities....oh wait...and the House Majority leader...he basically said "fuck this noise, the party of today SUCKS BALLS".

Combine that with the fact that Donald Trump is your front runner and yeah...shit is in shambles princess...

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 10:12 AM
A lock?

Why such a lock for the GOP 11 months ago?

Watch this...again.

The presidency has never been a lock for the GOP in the last 11 months and history shows us that Congress typically swings opposite of the sitting POTUS.

Watch what buttercup?

Truth Detector
10-07-2015, 10:25 AM
Not a Democrat you lemming... Isn't Limbaugh coming on? Yeah definitely Limbaugh at 3:00 yeah definitely....

It was a rhetorical statement. You do comprehend what rhetorical is, don't you? Try thinking before you erupt next time.

While desperately proclaiming you're not a Democrat, this post suggests that you parrot their talking points like one.

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 10:29 AM
It was a rhetorical statement. You do comprehend what rhetorical is, don't you? Try thinking before you erupt next time.

While desperately proclaiming you're not a Democrat, this post suggests that you parrot their talking points like one.

The fundamental problem you have is you use political labels as some kind of school yard insult. That's all you've got. When pushed into a corner you spew nonsense and write it off as something substance.

Truth Detector
10-07-2015, 10:30 AM
Your party is in shambles brah and the candidates you have up save Carson and Paul are complete clowns. Just saying, if you don't put one of those guys you're gonna lose the independent vote to Biden....

I've always found arguments containing nothing more than "because you say so" uncompelling.

Another myth; that there is such a thing as the "independent voter" or that Republicabs need to pander to them to get elected.


Now...more fun .gifs or did you plan on debating on this internet debate forum?

I'm amused that you think your whiney blather constitutes "debate."

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k528/keveri/Misc/Laughing-chimp-gif-animation.gif

Truth Detector
10-07-2015, 10:34 AM
Yeah...look at all that great stuff they got done with those majorities....oh wait...and the House Majority leader...he basically said "$#@! this noise, the party of today SUCKS BALLS".

Combine that with the fact that Donald Trump is your front runner and yeah...$#@! is in shambles princess...

Yep; in liberal loony land, Obama's intransigence to acknowledge the massive losses in 2010 and 2014 and Dirty Harry Reid's obstructionist tactics in the Senate have NOTHING to do with McConnels inability to get anything onto Obama's desk.

When I see buffoonish claims like this, it convinces me that we are rapidly becoming a society of low information dunces who get our talking points spoon fed to us by a dishonest leftist media narrative.

Truth Detector
10-07-2015, 10:35 AM
The presidency has never been a lock for the GOP in the last 11 months and history shows us that Congress typically swings opposite of the sitting POTUS.

Watch what buttercup?


He wasn't talking about the Presidency; he was talking about the legislature and state houses. Do try to keep up rather than engaging in your typical misplaced smarmy arrogance.

Chris
10-07-2015, 10:35 AM
The fundamental problem you have is you use political labels as some kind of school yard insult. That's all you've got. When pushed into a corner you spew nonsense and write it off as something substance.

BINGO!

All bark, no bite.

Truth Detector
10-07-2015, 10:39 AM
The fundamental problem you have is you use political labels as some kind of school yard insult. That's all you've got.

Wrong again; but you seem to enjoy wallowing in it. Your problem seems to be the high opinion you have of your own smarmy left leaning comments.

If you rant like a liberal, insult like a liberal and parrot idiot leftist talking points like one, you're probably going to be called a liberal.

I'm amused that you think the bloviating you do could be mistaken as being independent. Nothing could be further from the truth.


When pushed into a corner you spew nonsense and write it off as something substance.

I don't get pushed into corners. You cannot push the truth into a corner.

But I do enjoy pointing at dimwitted leftist rants and laughing at them.

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 10:40 AM
Yep; in liberal loony land, Obama's intransigence to acknowledge the massive losses in 2010 and 2014 and Dirty Harry Reid's obstructionist tactics in the Senate have NOTHING to do with McConnels inability to get anything onto Obama's desk.

When I see buffoonish claims like this, it convinces me that we are rapidly becoming a society of low information dunces who get our talking points spoon fed to us by a dishonest leftist media narrative.

Well you hit 1 of my 3 points which is progress for you...

So you're saying that having the majority in Congress is evidence that the GOP isn't in shambles despite admitting they can't navigate the minority? Interesting and contradictory take...

I think it's ironic that you're blind to what is going on in your party and then claim I'm the one who is spoon feeding talking points...

Truth Detector
10-07-2015, 10:41 AM
BINGO!

All bark, no bite.

LMAO

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/Tin_foil_hat_2.jpg

maineman
10-07-2015, 10:41 AM
BINGO!

All bark, no bite.


aw.... but his nonstop little cut and paste images are pretty cute, you have to admit.

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 10:41 AM
Wrong again; but you seem to enjoy wallowing in it. Your problem seems to be the high opinion you have of your own smarmy left leaning comments.

If you rant like a liberal, insult like a liberal and parrot idiot leftist talking points like one, you're probably going to be called a liberal.

I'm amused that you think the bloviating you do could be mistaken as being independent. Nothing could be further from the truth.



I don't get pushed into corners. You cannot push the truth into a corner.

But I do enjoy pointing at dimwitted leftist rants and laughing at them.

This proves my point perfectly. Thanks!

maineman
10-07-2015, 10:41 AM
and like clockwork.....


LMAO

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/Tin_foil_hat_2.jpg

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 10:45 AM
He wasn't talking about the Presidency; he was talking about the legislature and state houses. Do try to keep up rather than engaging in your typical misplaced smarmy arrogance.

I bet your mom told you that you rode the little bus to school cause it got there faster...

Truth Detector
10-07-2015, 10:47 AM
So you're saying that having the majority in Congress is evidence that the GOP isn't in shambles despite admitting they can't navigate the minority? Interesting take and contradictory take...

That's a fascinating, yet moronic interpretation of what I said. You seldom dissapoint in that regard however.

Perhaps if you took a course on how Government works you could better understand what it is I am saying and not erupt with such laughably stupid interpretations and strawmen?


I think it's ironic that you're blind to what is going on in your party and then claim I'm the one who is spoon feeding talking points...

I think it is ironic that you think parroting false media narratives makes you appear intelligent.

Yep, in liberal loony land, massive landslide victories in 2010 and 2014 and having 12 diverse experienced Presidential candidates to choose from represents a party in trouble.

BUT; a party that has suffered massive political defeats and which has a handful of old white fools for candidates is a party on the rise.

You just can't make up this type of lunacy without help from a liberal media no longer feigning objectivity and which is nearly a political arm of the DNC.

Ransom
10-07-2015, 10:49 AM
Yeah...look at all that great stuff they got done with those majorities....oh wait...and the House Majority leader...he basically said "$#@! this noise, the party of today SUCKS BALLS".

Combine that with the fact that Donald Trump is your front runner and yeah...$#@! is in shambles princess...

What have they done over the last 11 months, you're the one making the shambles arguments.

Watch....read....and learn. Your floor....Private. Specifics please.

Truth Detector
10-07-2015, 10:49 AM
aw.... but his nonstop little cut and paste images are pretty cute, you have to admit.


This proves my point perfectly. Thanks!


and like clockwork.....


I bet your mom told you that you rode the little bus to school cause it got there faster...

^What liberals do best when their laughably dumb talking points are exposed for the stupidity it represents.

Any questions?

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 10:49 AM
That's a fascinating, yet moronic interpretation of what I said. You seldom dissapoint in that regard however.

Perhaps if you took a course on how Government works you could better understand what it is I am saying and not erupt with such laughably stupid interpretations and strawmen?



I think it is ironic that you think parroting false media narratives makes you appear intelligent.

Yep, in liberal loony land, massive landslide victories in 2010 and 2014 and having 12 diverse experienced Presidential candidates to choose from represents a party in trouble.

BUT; a party that has suffered massive political defeats and which has a handful of old white fools for candidates is a party on the rise.

You just can't make up this type of lunacy without help from a liberal media no longer feigning objectivity and which is nearly a political arm of the DNC.

Believe what you want. I think the GOP has a shot at the POTUS if they can get away from the clowns...

Ransom
10-07-2015, 10:52 AM
The presidency has never been a lock for the GOP in the last 11 months and history shows us that Congress typically swings opposite of the sitting POTUS.

Watch what buttercup?

I asked why the Republican Party concluded with a record setting election in 2014. A party in shambles now has the largest majorities in decades. What is it that someone in the know.....like you:biglaugh:...attributes the huge GOP election victory just 11 months ago?

Watch....read....learn........carry on, Private.

Truth Detector
10-07-2015, 10:54 AM
Believe what you want. I think the GOP has a shot at the POTUS if they can get away from the clowns...

....because you say so. How can anyone argue with such profound logic. Get back to me when you learn to stop parrotting liberal talking points.

I am amused that you think Hillary, O'Malley, Sanders and O'Biden aren't the clowns or driving that "short bus." It matches your incredible lack of self awareness.

Ransom
10-07-2015, 10:55 AM
Believe what you want. I think the GOP has a shot at the POTUS if they can get away from the clowns...

Oh...so now we have a "shot at the Presidency" even though we're "in shambles?"

Told you so.

A party with the largest majority in decades with a real chance to win the Presidency.....is "in shambles?"

Watch....read.....learn. Told ya! Give em enough rope.....they choke themselves.

Finished here. We move on.

birddog
10-07-2015, 11:13 AM
Believe what you want. I think the GOP has a shot at the POTUS if they can get away from the clowns...

Any of the R candidates would be superior than anyone the Ds have! No clowns among the Rs, just capable candidates.

maineman
10-07-2015, 11:43 AM
^What liberals do best when their laughably dumb talking points are exposed for the stupidity it represents.

Any questions?

only one: where's the goofy little animated image to punctuate your message?

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 11:47 AM
^what liberals do best when their laughably dumb talking points are exposed for the stupidity it represents.

Any questions?

lol

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 11:48 AM
Any of the R candidates would be superior than anyone the Ds have! No clowns among the Rs, just capable candidates.

I would vote for Biden over Trump. Trump over Hillary but my preference is Carson.

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 11:50 AM
What have they done over the last 11 months, you're the one making the shambles arguments.

Watch....read....and learn. Your floor....Private. Specifics please.

Nothing except successfully chase off the majority leader, pass Obamas trade bill and divide themselves between the old establishment and the Tea Partiers.

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 11:51 AM
I asked why the Republican Party concluded with a record setting election in 2014. A party in shambles now has the largest majorities in decades. What is it that someone in the know.....like you:biglaugh:...attributes the huge GOP election victory just 11 months ago?

Watch....read....learn........carry on, Private.

For the same Reasons Bush lost his Congress. Derp.

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 11:52 AM
....because you say so. How can anyone argue with such profound logic. Get back to me when you learn to stop parrotting liberal talking points.

I am amused that you think Hillary, O'Malley, Sanders and O'Biden aren't the clowns or driving that "short bus." It matches your incredible lack of self awareness.

I simply think Biden and Carson would be the best candidates for each party. The rest are clowns. Here is where you hump the partisan leg.

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 11:54 AM
Oh...so now we have a "shot at the Presidency" even though we're "in shambles?"

Told you so.

A party with the largest majority in decades with a real chance to win the Presidency.....is "in shambles?"

Watch....read.....learn. Told ya! Give em enough rope.....they choke themselves.

Finished here. We move on.

Sure. A party in shambles only matters to the informed voters. The lemmings, see your mirror, will vote for their base no matter what. That gives either party a shot.

Truth Detector
10-07-2015, 11:59 AM
I simply think Biden and Carson would be the best candidates for each party. The rest are clowns. Here is where you hump the partisan leg.

Who gives a rats buttocks what you think would be best? DUH

I'm merely pointing at your leftist laced strawmen pontifications and laughing at them.

Truth Detector
10-07-2015, 12:01 PM
Sure. A party in shambles only matters to the informed voters. The lemmings, see your mirror, will vote for their base no matter what. That gives either party a shot.

Did you vote for Obama?

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 12:02 PM
Who gives a rats buttocks what you think would be best? DUH

I'm merely pointing at your leftist laced strawmen pontifications and laughing at them.

You live in an alternative reality. Personally I'm shocked that you get away with what you do. Maybe I should start reporting, something I rarely do, in order to clear the stench of you from this forum.

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 12:02 PM
Did you vote for Obama?

We've been over this...

No.

Truth Detector
10-07-2015, 12:08 PM
We've been over this...

No.

I'm pretty sure you said you voted for him in 2012.

Truth Detector
10-07-2015, 12:10 PM
You live in an alternative reality. Personally I'm shocked that you get away with what you do. Maybe I should start reporting, something I rarely do, in order to clear the stench of you from this forum.

Maybe you should. Perhaps get a box of tissues to dab those tears to keep them from getting your keyboard wet while reporting them?

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 12:12 PM
I'm pretty sure you said you voted for him in 2012.

You'd be pretty wrong. Voted Romney. Not that I expect you to believe me given it doesn't conveniently fit your narrative.

Private Pickle
10-07-2015, 12:13 PM
Maybe you should. Perhaps get a box of tissues to dab those tears to keep them from getting your keyboard wet while reporting them?

OK.

Bob
10-07-2015, 12:15 PM
I think you need to worry more about your own party, when a widely unliked (even in your party) Old Guard politician like Hillary Clinton is still the frontrunner despite the candidate that actually represents the values of the Democratic Party rising strongly against her.

I wish they stopped lying by claiming republicans shut down goverment.

I read somewhere not long ago that in the life of this republic, the government has been shut down many times.

One year the congress shut down the Supreme Court.

During the reign of Obama, parks got no money but it seems to me, correct me if wrong, but the Government operated. Ships sailed, war planes flew and money got spent all over the world by Obama. Flatly he lied by saying the government shut down.

Bo-4
10-07-2015, 12:15 PM
Who claimed we weren't partisan? DUH

My political views however are not.

Uh huh ;-)

Ransom
10-07-2015, 01:58 PM
The Republicans do have a shot at the Presidency. And why Biden is seriously considering entering the race. The Democrat Party seriously concerned that Clinton nor Sanders is electable. We're not the Party removing and then re-injecting God onto our national platform. We're not coming off of a record setting arse whooping a mere 11 months ago. We're not trying to defend the worst President...by f'n far, in the history of this great nation. You meanwhile have presided over record setting divisiveness. Our Constituencies cannot be set into hysterics by a cake maker who won't bake for a same sex wedding. We're not burning our own f'n towns to the ground, we can recover from hurricanes without being shown money......and we'd never elect a half-baked community organizer who couldn't manage a bowel movement without incurring debt.

It is your votes that have proven who the 'hot messes' are.

birddog
10-07-2015, 02:19 PM
I would vote for Biden over Trump. Trump over Hillary but my preference is Carson.

Biden would be better than Clinton, and likely better than Obama has been, but I would choose any R over him.

Ransom
10-07-2015, 02:30 PM
Biden as unqualified as Obama or Clinton, all three of them utter jokes.

Chris
10-07-2015, 02:34 PM
Biden as unqualified as Obama or Clinton, all three of them utter jokes.

As is Trump and most Republicans if not all.

birddog
10-07-2015, 08:57 PM
As is Trump and most Republicans if not all.

I respect your right to be seriously wrong, and you are.

maineman
10-07-2015, 09:01 PM
I respect your right to be seriously wrong, and you are.

Thank God it's not up to you.... we'll see what the voters decide.

Redrose
10-07-2015, 09:22 PM
Biden as unqualified as Obama or Clinton, all three of them utter jokes.

That's the strength of the Democrats. LOL

birddog
10-07-2015, 11:28 PM
Thank God it's not up to you.... we'll see what the voters decide.


As the old saying is, "Hide and watch!" It's inconceivable that a D will be elected as the next president. If there is, it will be the saddest of the saddest reflection on the voters.

maineman
10-08-2015, 09:53 AM
As the old saying is, "Hide and watch!" It's inconceivable that a D will be elected as the next president. If there is, it will be the saddest of the saddest reflection on the voters.

your opinion only. one that I, thankfully, do not share.

Lineman
10-08-2015, 03:41 PM
How many more times you think America should, or even wants to send our money and our kids to die for Isreal?






As the old saying is, "Hide and watch!" It's inconceivable that a D will be elected as the next president. If there is, it will be the saddest of the saddest reflection on the voters.

Ransom
10-09-2015, 06:46 AM
How many more times you think America should, or even wants to send our money and our kids to die for Isreal?

What time is Oprah on in your time zone?

birddog
10-09-2015, 10:31 AM
your opinion only. one that I, thankfully, do not share.

I respect your right to be wrong! Keep hiding out in Mexico, and we will take care of things up here.:grin:

maineman
10-09-2015, 12:14 PM
I respect your right to be wrong! Keep hiding out in Mexico, and we will take care of things up here.:grin:

I still contribute.... to the dialog and to the PACs and campaigns of liberal causes.

Again... your predictions are simply that. The only poll that matters is the one taken on election day, and it is a guaranteed fact that one of us will be happy the next day, and the other one will be sad. Time will tell as to which one is which.

Truth Detector
10-09-2015, 04:49 PM
How many more times you think America should, or even wants to send our money and our kids to die for Isreal?

When did this ever occur; citation please.