View Full Version : Woman who shot at fleeing shoplifter is charged
Common
10-13-2015, 10:31 PM
She should get charged
Surveillance video shows a man running out of Home Depot with an estimated $1k of goods. A concealed pistol license holder fired multiple shots at the man despite not being directly threatened by him.
A woman accused of firing a gun at the vehicle of a fleeing shoplifter (http://on.freep.com/1REURXQ) in Michigan was charged Tuesday with a misdemeanor count of reckless use, handling or discharge of a firearm.Tatiana Duva-Rodriguez, 46, of Clarkston, Mich., is accused of shooting at the tires of a vehicle last week in the “misguided attempt to disable the vehicle to stop two reported shoplifters,” at a Home Depot in Auburn Hills, Mich., according to a news release from the Oakland County Prosecutor’s Office and the Auburn Hills Police Department.
“If this is proven, I find it very disturbing that someone would take out their gun in a busy parking lot and shoot at the tires of a passing car,” Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper said in a statement. “Once fired, the bullet could have easily ricocheted or fragmented and injured or killed someone else. It would have been much more helpful for her to take out her cellphone and shoot pictures of the shoplifter’s license plate.”
Duva-Rodriguez, who is a concealed pistol license holder and cooperated with police, is expected to be arraigned in Rochester Hills, Mich., at a time the court will set later. The shooting happened in the store’s parking lot around 2 p.m. ET Oct. 6 when the store’s security guard was chasing a shoplifter who jumped into a Kia Rondo that another person was, police said
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/13/woman-shoots-at-shoplifter-charged/73871590/
Redrose
10-13-2015, 11:13 PM
What a fool. She's watched too many 'Cagney and Lacy' or "Charlie's Angels'.
I doubt if she'll do any time, she must have a clean record in order to get the CCL. I say a suspended sentence with probation.
I hope they make sure she never has possession of a weapon ever again.
She's lucky she didn't hit him or injure someone else. If she disabled his car, and the car injured someone, she'd be liable. You need to think these things through.
You never use deadly force to protect property.
gamewell45
10-13-2015, 11:18 PM
What a fool. She's watched too many 'Cagney and Lacy' or "Charlie's Angels'.
I doubt if she'll do any time, she must have a clean record in order to get the CCL. I say a suspended sentence with probation.
I hope they make sure she never has possession of a weapon ever again.
She's lucky she didn't hit him or injure someone else. If she disabled his car, and the car injured someone, she'd be liable. You need to think these things through.
You never use deadly force to protect property.
They'll probably lift her permit.
Private Pickle
10-13-2015, 11:25 PM
She should be charged and whomever trained her to get her CCL should be charged as well.
Dr. Who
10-13-2015, 11:27 PM
She should get charged
Surveillance video shows a man running out of Home Depot with an estimated $1k of goods. A concealed pistol license holder fired multiple shots at the man despite not being directly threatened by him.
A woman accused of firing a gun at the vehicle of a fleeing shoplifter (http://on.freep.com/1REURXQ) in Michigan was charged Tuesday with a misdemeanor count of reckless use, handling or discharge of a firearm.Tatiana Duva-Rodriguez, 46, of Clarkston, Mich., is accused of shooting at the tires of a vehicle last week in the “misguided attempt to disable the vehicle to stop two reported shoplifters,” at a Home Depot in Auburn Hills, Mich., according to a news release from the Oakland County Prosecutor’s Office and the Auburn Hills Police Department.
“If this is proven, I find it very disturbing that someone would take out their gun in a busy parking lot and shoot at the tires of a passing car,” Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper said in a statement. “Once fired, the bullet could have easily ricocheted or fragmented and injured or killed someone else. It would have been much more helpful for her to take out her cellphone and shoot pictures of the shoplifter’s license plate.”
Duva-Rodriguez, who is a concealed pistol license holder and cooperated with police, is expected to be arraigned in Rochester Hills, Mich., at a time the court will set later. The shooting happened in the store’s parking lot around 2 p.m. ET Oct. 6 when the store’s security guard was chasing a shoplifter who jumped into a Kia Rondo that another person was, police said
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/13/woman-shoots-at-shoplifter-charged/73871590/
This is my issue with people being allowed to carry weapons. They are not all competent to do so. They think they are then entitled to be LEOs without knowing the law.
Redrose
10-13-2015, 11:30 PM
They'll probably lift her permit.
I think that's the least that will happen. I know when I took my CCL course, the instructor said if any of us were to be in a "bad shoot" situation, they would go back to him and check his credentials and curriculum.
She must have been asleep in class when they went over "never shoot at someone running away from you". There is no threat there.
Annie Oakley will be disarmed for sure. No guns in her home either I venture to say.
Redrose
10-13-2015, 11:33 PM
She should be charged and whomever trained her to get her CCL should be charged as well.
The instructor will be checked with. If his training layout is appropriate, he can't be held responsible for nuts who ignore what they were taught.
Private Pickle
10-13-2015, 11:36 PM
The instructor will be checked with. If his training layout is appropriate, he can't be held responsible for nuts who ignore what they were taught.
Look...it's incumbent on the trainer to impart the laws onto the student. Shooting at someone running away is first day shit...
Dr. Who
10-13-2015, 11:38 PM
Look...it's incumbent on the trainer to impart the laws onto the student. Shooting at someone running away is first day shit...
It is possible that the daily rhetoric about justice and people flaunting the law is overshadowing basic training.
Private Pickle
10-13-2015, 11:46 PM
It is possible that the daily rhetoric about justice and people flaunting the law is overshadowing basic training.
And that is no justification is it?
Dr. Who
10-13-2015, 11:52 PM
And that is no justification is it?
Well no it's not. I don't think anyone benefits from vigilante justice.
Private Pickle
10-14-2015, 12:06 AM
Well no it's not. I don't think anyone benefits from vigilante justice.
Yet this is the argument CCL holders will have to face even though they aren't vigilantes.
Redrose
10-14-2015, 12:15 AM
Look...it's incumbent on the trainer to impart the laws onto the student. Shooting at someone running away is first day shit...
I agree completely, BUT, if his carriculum shows a thorough, fully appropriate layout of the law and rules, he is off the hook. Her test will be looked at, and her answers reviewed. If she passed....she passed.
Once out in the real world, if she chooses to have a brain fart and ignore or consciously disregard what she was taught, the blame is all on her. The others in her class aren't running around chasing fleeing people with a loaded gun...and shooting in a crowded area.
Private Pickle
10-14-2015, 12:16 AM
I agree completely, BUT, if his carriculum shows a thorough, fully appropriate layout of the law and rules, he is off the hook. Her test will be looked at, and her answers reviewed. If she passed....she passed.
Once out in the real world, if she chooses to have a brain fart and ignore or consciously disregard what she was taught, the blame is all on her. The others in her class aren't running around chasing fleeing people with a loaded gun...and shooting in a crowded area.
Agreed.
HoneyBadger
10-14-2015, 12:45 AM
Look...it's incumbent on the trainer to impart the laws onto the student. Shooting at someone running away is first day $#@!...
You can give students information, you can teach them the law but you can't be there to hold their hand when they leave your class.
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