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Bob
10-15-2015, 04:41 PM
Peter Robinson always has such interesting interviews and opens up the eyes of those willing to open them.

Something said on this video is news to me. Such as The rest of the world votes for candidates picked by party. They do not have primary elections where the public does the choosing.

But more so enjoy the video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufyov9RO8I0

Crepitus
10-15-2015, 04:44 PM
Come on Bob. I ain't got time to watch a 35 minute video.

Cliff notes man!

Dangermouse
10-15-2015, 04:53 PM
Hannan is an arsehole. 'nuff said.

Peter1469
10-15-2015, 04:57 PM
Executive summary request.

Bob
10-15-2015, 04:59 PM
Come on @Bob (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1013). I ain't got time to watch a 35 minute video.

Cliff notes man!

Nope, do your own work.

What the hell

Uploaded on Oct 29, 2010
A journalist and author, Daniel Hannan has been a British member of the European Parliament since 1999. He first came to wide notice in the United States when he made a speech on the floor of the European Parliament addressing the then-prime minister of Great Britain, Gordon Brown, about his disastrous economic policies. Hannan's latest book is A New Road to Serfdom: A Letter of Warning to America.

Amplifying on his new book, Daniel Hannan warns that the United States is Europeanizing, with all the inherent dangers that come with the expansion of the welfare state. "This expansion doesn't just reduce economic growth, it tends to squeeze out personal morality." Hannan, who connects the decline of the European family and society with the rise of cradle-to-grave welfare in Europe, has a special warning about the dangers of Obamacare "Once politicians assume responsibility for health care, they find that they have made an almost irreversible decision." Hannan concludes that this drift to Europeanization is not inevitable if Americans honor the genius of the Founding Fathers.

Bob
10-15-2015, 05:00 PM
Executive summary request.


Uploaded on Oct 29, 2010
A journalist and author, Daniel Hannan has been a British member of the European Parliament since 1999. He first came to wide notice in the United States when he made a speech on the floor of the European Parliament addressing the then-prime minister of Great Britain, Gordon Brown, about his disastrous economic policies. Hannan's latest book is A New Road to Serfdom: A Letter of Warning to America.

Amplifying on his new book, Daniel Hannan warns that the United States is Europeanizing, with all the inherent dangers that come with the expansion of the welfare state. "This expansion doesn't just reduce economic growth, it tends to squeeze out personal morality." Hannan, who connects the decline of the European family and society with the rise of cradle-to-grave welfare in Europe, has a special warning about the dangers of Obamacare "Once politicians assume responsibility for health care, they find that they have made an almost irreversible decision." Hannan concludes that this drift to Europeanization is not inevitable if Americans honor the genius of the Founding Fathers.

Crepitus
10-15-2015, 05:02 PM
Nope, do your own work.
Fine and dandy. I'm out, have a nice day:laugh:

Bob
10-15-2015, 05:19 PM
Fine and dandy. I'm out, have a nice day:laugh:

Here it is for the second time

Uploaded on Oct 29, 2010
A journalist and author, Daniel Hannan has been a British member of the European Parliament since 1999. He first came to wide notice in the United States when he made a speech on the floor of the European Parliament addressing the then-prime minister of Great Britain, Gordon Brown, about his disastrous economic policies. Hannan's latest book is A New Road to Serfdom: A Letter of Warning to America.

Amplifying on his new book, Daniel Hannan warns that the United States is Europeanizing, with all the inherent dangers that come with the expansion of the welfare state. "This expansion doesn't just reduce economic growth, it tends to squeeze out personal morality." Hannan, who connects the decline of the European family and society with the rise of cradle-to-grave welfare in Europe, has a special warning about the dangers of Obamacare "Once politicians assume responsibility for health care, they find that they have made an almost irreversible decision." Hannan concludes that this drift to Europeanization is not inevitable if Americans honor the genius of the Founding Fathers.

Common Sense
10-15-2015, 05:20 PM
Five year old warning.

Bob
10-15-2015, 05:21 PM
Five year old warning.

And that warning no longer applies, why? Tell me why?

Refugee
10-15-2015, 05:44 PM
In the UK the party chooses its leader and you vote for the policies of that party, not necessarily the leader. In America, the emphasis is much more on the leader, looks and style.

In the UK for instance, all the three main parties in the election were pro European Union and some promised a vote on full memebership later, but so far no vote has ever been allowed. So, the UK is in the EU, no vote has taken place, but an unelected EU provide the rules for that society, which impact on the economic and social. This is why there is so much social unrest in Europe, you have whole countries which do not like what’s provided, but with no mechanism in place to vote those laws out, simply a choice for who will implement them. A little like communism, where you get to vote for an individual, but the ideology remains static.

What I think is meant is that America is moving closer to that progressive model, where you vote for someone and hope for the best because the ideas they often implement bear no relation to the party politics they represent. I think it’s why there’s so much disagreement within American political parties themselves.

Kurmugeon
10-15-2015, 05:53 PM
Summary:

America has a TEA Party because we have open primaries, which means that the common people believe they can actually accomplish something about Big Tax and Spend Political Parties.

The Common People of Europe would love to have an input into the political process that would allow them to challenge the high taxes supported by the mainstream parties, but the lack of open primaries means that the current party leaders and apparatchiks select the candidates, and have no interest in allowing anti-Tax candidates into the venue.

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Bob
10-15-2015, 06:02 PM
In the UK the party chooses its leader and you vote for the policies of that party, not necessarily the leader. In America, the emphasis is much more on the leader, looks and style.

In the UK for instance, all the three main parties in the election were pro European Union and some promised a vote on full memebership later, but so far no vote has ever been allowed. So, the UK is in the EU, no vote has taken place, but an unelected EU provide the rules for that society, which impact on the economic and social. This is why there is so much social unrest in Europe, you have whole countries which do not like what’s provided, but with no mechanism in place to vote those laws out, simply a choice for who will implement them. A little like communism, where you get to vote for an individual, but the ideology remains static.

What I think is meant is that America is moving closer to that progressive model, where you vote for someone and hope for the best because the ideas they often implement bear no relation to the party politics they represent. I think it’s why there’s so much disagreement within American political parties themselves.


Yes, I honestly see our Democrats as not a bit better than common thieves. This may sound harsh, but when you carefully hear their words, they do practice theft. They say the theft helps the poor, yet the poor population increase and the lies of the Democrats get exposed.

Now you hear Obama promising free college for 2 years. But free does not mean free, it only means students don't pay. Somebody does pay for the schools and the teachers. It takes theft to pay the schools and teachers.

They deny their tax system is theft, but think it over. If you refuse to pay, men with uniforms show up to put you into jail. A system that depends on theft is false on the premise.

Refugee
10-15-2015, 06:21 PM
The new-age ‘change you can believe in’ is not something new. It’s an updated version of socialism/communism that has never worked everywhere it’s ever been tried. America isn’t used to these European ideologies and thinks they’re great, they sound so nice; who doesn’t want equality and freedom and opportunities . . . but all they contain is government dependency and authoratarianism. It’s where your previous immigration stemmed from, your ancestors running away from these ideologies.

America has always had this air of individuality and self-reliance, it’s why you went from sitting in a wooden shack to putting a man on the moon in less than 250 years. When you take that independence away, what you’re left with is control, just like Europe. You give away your independent ethos and replace it with someone who says, ‘it’s not fair that you succeed and others don’t, we’ll make you all equal’ and within a short space of time you begin to resemble Europe.

Look at the poverty increase, the social unrest, the government dependency . . . just like Europe, America is electing those who are using European ideologies, re-packaging them and telling you they’ve got some great new ideas. It’s no longer fashionable to say these things and perhaps America has to go through the same change as Europe before it starts to realise that its exceptionalism was due to the Founding Fathers and not the Communist Manifesto.

Kurmugeon
10-15-2015, 07:42 PM
I watched the entire video, though broken by grand child interruptions. Very thought provoking.

I agree with many of the points he made, though I disagree that America's TEA Patriot movement is being effective at limiting the current Obama led expansion of both government, and the subsequent taxation.

I think that we need about 30% more TEA party Congress members to achieve the needed minimum votes to block the expansions being presented by the Lefties and rubber stamped by the RINOs.

It may be too late to preserve America.

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Mister D
10-15-2015, 08:11 PM
What exactly are American conservatives trying to conserve at this point?

Ethereal
10-15-2015, 08:14 PM
What exactly are American conservatives trying to conserve at this point?

Profit margins for defense contractors?

Common
10-15-2015, 08:16 PM
Profit margins for defense contractors?

That and all the rest of corporate profits, cash before humans

Ransom
10-16-2015, 08:13 AM
That and all the rest of corporate profits, cash before humans

And yet when Planned Parenthood is taking cash for human body parts......I don't hear much kvetching.

Talk to me about the products in your home, driveway, pocket, or plugged in powering up right now, Common.

Many talk the talk, few walk the walk.

Moving on.

Ransom
10-16-2015, 08:23 AM
What exactly are American conservatives trying to conserve at this point?

Many are trying to conserve and retain their families, Mister D. Others their faith. Many others trying to hold onto the faith and confidence in their own country. 18 trillion in debt. An education system that ranks lower each year the study is taken. An economy that doesn't illicit confidence, rather concern for the country we're handing our children. Immigrants illegally pouring over the border. A victim mentality that has infected our constituencies. The media so easily stirs up protests over a pseudo wedding cake for a wedding not even taking place. Our cities so easily turned to violence and division. So easy to have their levers pulled here, or their buttons pushed there.

Our foreign affairs a complete and utter joke, but then, circus clowns occupy the White House. I look to current events myself and easily see how adrift we are as a nation, how lost our souls are becoming.......but then Donald Trump says something......not does something.....his signature not on any of our debt, nor legislation, nor military affairs abroad, nor domestic issues here......but for some reason when the man says one word about any issue....it's front page headlines, Ransom comes to these pages for interpretations.

For interpretations on Trump. Regarding real world events, actual reality unfolding here and abroad...........you don't come to this forum for a discussion on the real world. Wanna discuss Donald, Oprah, Anderson, whine, cry, spew into hysterics, play the victim, you wanna save the world by getting football fans to f'n use less plastic water bottles........why then...this is the place for you.