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Philly Rabbit
08-22-2012, 12:45 PM
The begining.




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http://youtu.be/C-vFkvcf3Cs

URF8
08-22-2012, 01:24 PM
America is caught in a death spiral. It's happened to other societies before. It can be analogized to a complex organism that has a number of interlocking systems.

One system can break down without the organism dying. But when enough systems break down the aggregate burden placed on the surviving systems becomes too great...and the organism dies.

American social culture started to break down in the sixties. In the seventies the old meme in public education began to atrophy. In the eighties the seeds of destruction were sown for the political culture.

The sense of shared consciousness and identity began to break down in the nineties. And so did the political economy despite being masked by the dotcom bubble, and then the housing bubble. Now the economy itself is breaking down.

Taken together America is now experiencing cascading systems failure that is killing the complex organism. The same thing happened to the Roman Empire in the West. http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/ugo-bardi/peak-civilization

Goldie Locks
08-22-2012, 05:08 PM
Just look to the Weimer Republic that turned into a regular Sodom and Gomorrah.

That's where we're headed.

Mainecoons
08-22-2012, 06:10 PM
America is caught in a death spiral. It's happened to other societies before. It can be analogized to a complex organism that has a number of interlocking systems.

One system can break down without the organism dying. But when enough systems break down the aggregate burden placed on the surviving systems becomes too great...and the organism dies.

American social culture started to break down in the sixties. In the seventies the old meme in public education began to atrophy. In the eighties the seeds of destruction were sown for the political culture.

The sense of shared consciousness and identity began to break down in the nineties. And so did the political economy despite being masked by the dotcom bubble, and then the housing bubble. Now the economy itself is breaking down.

Taken together America is now experiencing cascading systems failure that is killing the complex organism. The same thing happened to the Roman Empire in the West. http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/ugo-bardi/peak-civilization

This is a great if long read, well worth the effort. The summary:


Civilizations and empires, in the end, are just ripples in the ocean of time. They come and go, leaving little except carved stones proclaiming their eternal greatness. But, from the human viewpoint, Empires are vast and long standing and, for some of us, worth fighting for or against. But those who fought in Teutoburg couldn't change the course of history, nor can we. All that we can say - today as at the time of the battle of Teutoburg - is that we are going towards a future world that we can only dimly perceive. If we could see clearly where we are going, maybe we wouldn't like to go there; but we are going anyway. In the end, perhaps it was Emperor Marcus Aurelius who had seen the future most clearly:
Nature which governs the whole will soon change all things which thou seest, and out of their substance will make other things, and again other things from the substance of them, in order that the world may be ever new.

I might add that if one reads Toffler's "Future Shock" one finds the answer to why the decline is so much more rapid now than during those times.

URF8
08-22-2012, 07:35 PM
This is a great if long read, well worth the effort. The summary:



I might add that if one reads Toffler's "Future Shock" one finds the answer to why the decline is so much more rapid now than during those times.

I agree. The words of Marcus Aurelius really strike home. That which is old will be new again.

I would like to thank our friend Peter from tPF for referring us to the article originally.

The pace of events is accelerating. I have a dim sensation that we are careening towards the end of an age.