What Bernie, Carson and Trump are really saying is the same

[texan]

The elite class is getting away with so much that is harming the country and the working class. They are saying our moral compass has gotten way off. Our fairness as a capitalistic country has been altered by greed. The greed and the ability to be fair to the people is out the window in favor of the elite. Never before has our working class been so under attack financially in favor of business and a select few in comparisons to the mass. I am for making money but I am also for investing in the people that help. The CEO's have been incentivised to be greedy and it harms the people. Just think what if they were incentivised to believe in the people and fairly compensate them and respect them. We have really let this get out of hand and it is frustrating.

I think this is why they are so popular and are drawing huge crowds. I doubt that Bernie's youth do not understand exactly what socialism is or what he means as much as they know there are few real jobs for them and they are frustrated. I doubt Trumps crowds really care that he acts a little street like crazy when pushed a bit by others. This anger is on both sides and has been tapped. These political hacks in the middle are completely out of touch and seen as frauds by the masses on both sides. For example, I have never seen a candidate as desperate as Hillary to be elected. It is just insane.

I admit the approaches to correct these wrongs vary a lot, but I appreciate the power of the dissatisfied. This is what I think is going on and I am glad it doesn't seem to be going away.

[Cigar]

It's a stretch .. but sure ... why not, it could be right.

I like Bernie, but the Angry Old Coot isn't going to work.

I'd love to see a Bernie and Donald debate.

Substance and Facts, against Trust me I'll be Great. :laugh:

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They're all a bunch of dimwits who are pandering to a low information voting audience.

Anyone who uses such arguments are lacking basic common sense and need a reality check.

Bill Gates created more wealth and prosperity in his pursuit of a better way to do business using computers than any politician. He has done more for the poor than any politician engaged in failed redistribution schemes.

Steve Jobs created more wealth and prosperity in his pursuit of a better way to do use computers than any politician. He has done more for the poor than any politician engaged in failed redistribution schemes.

I cannot think of anything more retarded than the AmeriKan sheeple putting their faith in politicians trying to get elected rather than the capitalism that made is the greatest, most free nation on the planet.

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It's a stretch .. but sure ... why not, it could be right.

I like Bernie, but the Angry Old Coot isn't going to work.

I'd love to see a Bernie and Donald debate.

Substance and Facts, against Trust me I'll be Great. :laugh:

Yeah; entertainment at its best. Two clueless blowhards trying to out "blow hard" each other. It would be a lot like a professional wrestling match and the audience that watches such stupidity.

[Cigar]

Yeah; entertainment at its best. Two clueless blowhards trying to out "blow hard" each other. It would be a lot like a professional wrestling match and the audience that watches such stupidity.


Not really, Bernie has a long record ...

[texan]

Like I said I like Bernie and his message is right. There are issues and they need to be addressed. The difference I see is big:

1. Bernie we will take it from them and micro manage it to you with a massive tax increase, massive spending and micro managed by the government for fairness.

2. My preference is to make sure we increase freedom and get DC out of our lives as much as possible. Seriously get rid of the wasteful spending and lower the tax rate on the middle/low end, the tax rate for people at $250 would be about 35% but no more loop holes. Then lower the corporate tax rate and create an opportunity to bring the money overseas home. When they bring it home we offer a tax plan that says all that is spent here in the next couple of years has a some serious tax breaks. Increase jobs therefore increase tax income.

The freedom approach is what we are all about and always have been. We are not the countries you point to Bernie as somehow successful. We are the successors lets maintain the competition that made us great. I don't want to dumb it down.

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Not really, Bernie has a long record ...

Yes, of being a clueless Class-Envy retard.

[midcan5]

....Bill Gates created more wealth and prosperity in his pursuit of a better way to do business using computers than any politician. He has done more for the poor than any politician engaged in failed redistribution schemes.

Steve Jobs created more wealth and prosperity in his pursuit of a better way to do use computers than any politician. He has done more for the poor than any politician engaged in failed redistribution schemes....

Bill Gates's business tactics killed more businesses than most. His copying others and then integrating it into windows was a sham you bought into obviously. He has outsourced jobs as Steve Jobs did, just another business hack who had creative ideas but hardly did anything good in this world. I think big money blinds some, it is a sort of god that is worshiped rather than examined.

"Every so often, you hear grotesquely wealthy American chief executives announce in sanctimonious tones the intention to use their accumulated hundreds of millions, or billions, “to lift people out of poverty.” Sometimes they are referring to Africans, but sometimes they are referring to Americans. And here’s the funny thing about that: In most cases, they have made their fortunes by impoverishing whole American communities, having outsourced their manufacturing to China or India, Vietnam or Mexico." http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/opinion/sunday/the-hypocrisy-of-helping-the-poor.html

"So what did Smith have to say? For Smith, economic inequality emerges from an unfortunate combination of powerful elements in human nature -- the primacy of self-interest, to be sure, but also our natural desire to seek approval from others, and an unambiguously dark desire to dominate others. Most strikingly, drawing from the logic of Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Smith argues in his "Theory of Moral Sentiments": “The rich man glories in his riches, because he feels that they naturally draw the attention of the world.”

For Smith, the admiration that citizens feel for the wealthy amounts to nothing less than “the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments.” Indeed, the natural consequence of being super rich is merely to feed what Smith calls their “natural selfishness and rapacity.”

'Where Adam Smith and Occupy Agree: Inequality' By David Lay Williams

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-09-02/adam-smith-and-occupy-agree-on-inequality

[Peter1469]

The current income inequality meme floating around is fake. The proponents of it don't know what the word economics means.

I have highlighted over and over the errors in the Piketty book "Capital in the Twenty-First Century." A recap: he does not account for the fact that changes in tax laws in the US shifted lots of income from the corporate tax rolls to the personal income tax rolls. And he, for unknown reasons, does not include social welfare payments into his calculations of income inequality.

The former could be an error even for a professor of Piketty's stature. The second cannot be an error. It is a deliberate spin and is disappointing for a professional work on economics.

[texan]

Peter I can personally attest to corporate boardrooms greedy behaviors. I have been offer comp plans that only enticed me to run leaner than needed, which over worked / over demanded labor from people when there was plenty of money to go around. But in the name of EBITA the boards hurt everyone but themselves in reality. It is definitely a problem and that is a major part of the complaint. It is a crappy game that hurts workers and it is on incentive laden executive contracts all over the country. There is a better way of doing things.

I do not agree with everything they say but you are seeing it play out. It is not good and it is real. Again, I have been in these agreements.

[Cigar]

Yes, of being a clueless Class-Envy retard.

Trust me I'll be Great. :laugh:

[Chris]

The elite class is getting away with so much that is harming the country and the working class. They are saying our moral compass has gotten way off. Our fairness as a capitalistic country has been altered by greed. The greed and the ability to be fair to the people is out the window in favor of the elite. Never before has our working class been so under attack financially in favor of business and a select few in comparisons to the mass. I am for making money but I am also for investing in the people that help. The CEO's have been incentivised to be greedy and it harms the people. Just think what if they were incentivised to believe in the people and fairly compensate them and respect them. We have really let this get out of hand and it is frustrating.

I think this is why they are so popular and are drawing huge crowds. I doubt that Bernie's youth do not understand exactly what socialism is or what he means as much as they know there are few real jobs for them and they are frustrated. I doubt Trumps crowds really care that he acts a little street like crazy when pushed a bit by others. This anger is on both sides and has been tapped. These political hacks in the middle are completely out of touch and seen as frauds by the masses on both sides. For example, I have never seen a candidate as desperate as Hillary to be elected. It is just insane.

I admit the approaches to correct these wrongs vary a lot, but I appreciate the power of the dissatisfied. This is what I think is going on and I am glad it doesn't seem to be going away.


Like I said I like Bernie and his message is right. There are issues and they need to be addressed. The difference I see is big:

1. Bernie we will take it from them and micro manage it to you with a massive tax increase, massive spending and micro managed by the government for fairness.

2. My preference is to make sure we increase freedom and get DC out of our lives as much as possible. Seriously get rid of the wasteful spending and lower the tax rate on the middle/low end, the tax rate for people at $250 would be about 35% but no more loop holes. Then lower the corporate tax rate and create an opportunity to bring the money overseas home. When they bring it home we offer a tax plan that says all that is spent here in the next couple of years has a some serious tax breaks. Increase jobs therefore increase tax income.

The freedom approach is what we are all about and always have been. We are not the countries you point to Bernie as somehow successful. We are the successors lets maintain the competition that made us great. I don't want to dumb it down.



The elite class is getting away with so much that is harming the country and the working class.

How so? I mean, certainly simply getting richer is not harming those who are poorer. Economically one gets richer by providing other what they want. So explain how they are doing harm.


Bernie we will take it from them....

And that doesn't cause harm, is not theft? Explain, what right does the government have to take money or wealth from some to give to others?


My preference is to make sure we increase freedom and get DC out of our lives as much as possible.

But you just advocated doing the opposite.

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Bill Gates's business tactics killed more businesses than most. His copying others and then integrating it into windows was a sham you bought into obviously. He has outsourced jobs as Steve Jobs did, just another business hack who had creative ideas but hardly did anything good in this world. I think big money blinds some, it is a sort of god that is worshiped rather than examined.

"Every so often, you hear grotesquely wealthy American chief executives announce in sanctimonious tones the intention to use their accumulated hundreds of millions, or billions, “to lift people out of poverty.” Sometimes they are referring to Africans, but sometimes they are referring to Americans. And here’s the funny thing about that: In most cases, they have made their fortunes by impoverishing whole American communities, having outsourced their manufacturing to China or India, Vietnam or Mexico." http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/opinion/sunday/the-hypocrisy-of-helping-the-poor.html

"So what did Smith have to say? For Smith, economic inequality emerges from an unfortunate combination of powerful elements in human nature -- the primacy of self-interest, to be sure, but also our natural desire to seek approval from others, and an unambiguously dark desire to dominate others. Most strikingly, drawing from the logic of Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Smith argues in his "Theory of Moral Sentiments": “The rich man glories in his riches, because he feels that they naturally draw the attention of the world.”

For Smith, the admiration that citizens feel for the wealthy amounts to nothing less than “the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments.” Indeed, the natural consequence of being super rich is merely to feed what Smith calls their “natural selfishness and rapacity.”

'Where Adam Smith and Occupy Agree: Inequality' By David Lay Williams

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-09-02/adam-smith-and-occupy-agree-on-inequality

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Yep, in loony liberal land, they didn't build that!! Why, it's Government that creates jobs dontchyaknow!!

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Peter I can personally attest to corporate boardrooms greedy behaviors. I have been offer comp plans that only enticed me to run leaner than needed, which over worked / over demanded labor from people when there was plenty of money to go around. But in the name of EBITA the boards hurt everyone but themselves in reality. It is definitely a problem and that is a major part of the complaint. It is a crappy game that hurts workers and it is on incentive laden executive contracts all over the country. There is a better way of doing things.

I do not agree with everything they say but you are seeing it play out. It is not good and it is real. Again, I have been in these agreements.

So, we should outsource the board of directors to Government?

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[texan]

How so? I mean, certainly simply getting richer is not harming those who are poorer. Economically one gets richer by providing other what they want. So explain how they are doing harm. I had a recent compensation plan that was to increase EBITA. The plan encouraged me to over work you and lower your wages as much as possible to line my pockets with bonus'...........thats a major example. Just being honest. It is going on as we speak.



And that doesn't cause harm, is not theft? Explain, what right does the government have to take money or wealth from some to give to others? I am not suggesting they play robin hood, Bernie is doing that I said I don't agree with that solution. The point is both sides are making the same point.



But you just advocated doing the opposite. Jesus, pay attention

[OGIS]

I'd love to see a Bernie and Donald debate.

Substance and Facts, against Trust me I'll be Great. :laugh:

I hope you get your wish.

[Chris]

The elite class is getting away with so much that is harming the country and the working class. They are saying our moral compass has gotten way off. Our fairness as a capitalistic country has been altered by greed. The greed and the ability to be fair to the people is out the window in favor of the elite. Never before has our working class been so under attack financially in favor of business and a select few in comparisons to the mass. I am for making money but I am also for investing in the people that help. The CEO's have been incentivised to be greedy and it harms the people. Just think what if they were incentivised to believe in the people and fairly compensate them and respect them. We have really let this get out of hand and it is frustrating.

I think this is why they are so popular and are drawing huge crowds. I doubt that Bernie's youth do not understand exactly what socialism is or what he means as much as they know there are few real jobs for them and they are frustrated. I doubt Trumps crowds really care that he acts a little street like crazy when pushed a bit by others. This anger is on both sides and has been tapped. These political hacks in the middle are completely out of touch and seen as frauds by the masses on both sides. For example, I have never seen a candidate as desperate as Hillary to be elected. It is just insane.

I admit the approaches to correct these wrongs vary a lot, but I appreciate the power of the dissatisfied. This is what I think is going on and I am glad it doesn't seem to be going away.






had a recent compensation plan that was to increase EBITA. The plan encouraged me to over work you and lower your wages as much as possible to line my pockets with bonus'...........thats a major example. Just being honest. It is going on as we speak.

IOW, the government does what you accuse the rich of doing.



I am not suggesting they play robin hood, Bernie is doing that I said I don't agree with that solution. The point is both sides are making the same point.

OK, perhaps I misunderstood your point. I agree, both Dems and Reps do the same damn thing, redistribute wealth, and that does harm.