View Full Version : Warning: Judge orders Louisiana to continue funding Planned Parenthood
AeonPax
10-30-2015, 06:14 AM
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"A Louisiana judge issued an order on Thursday blocking attempts to defund Planned Parenthood clinics in the state, finding that more than 5,000 low-income patients would lose access to healthcare including cancer screenings and gynecology exa U.S. District Judge John deGravelles issued a preliminary injunction that requires Louisiana to continue providing Medicaid funding to the reproductive health organization's clinics.
Governor Bobby Jindal, a Republican candidate for president, moved to strip the group's funding this summer after the release of secretly recorded videos about how Planned Parenthood handles the tissue of aborted fetuses. Louisiana was the first of three Southern states to announce plans to end its contract with the organization to provide medical services to low-income residents." - Source (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/30/us-louisiana-plannedparenthood-idUSKCN0SO0F720151030)
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A big win for the women of Louisiana and another roadblock for theocracy.
hanger4
10-30-2015, 06:19 AM
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"A Louisiana judge issued an order on Thursday blocking attempts to defund Planned Parenthood clinics in the state, finding that more than 5,000 low-income patients would lose access to healthcare including cancer screenings and gynecology exa U.S. District Judge John deGravelles issued a preliminary injunction that requires Louisiana to continue providing Medicaid funding to the reproductive health organization's clinics.
Governor Bobby Jindal, a Republican candidate for president, moved to strip the group's funding this summer after the release of secretly recorded videos about how Planned Parenthood handles the tissue of aborted fetuses. Louisiana was the first of three Southern states to announce plans to end its contract with the organization to provide medical services to low-income residents." - Source (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/30/us-louisiana-plannedparenthood-idUSKCN0SO0F720151030)
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A big win for the women of Louisiana and another roadblock for theocracy.
So PP is the only health care provider for women ?? I have no idea what the "theocracy" statement means.
Matty
10-30-2015, 06:31 AM
That judge is stupid. We have Obamacare and there are plenty of facilities who can give care.
Crepitus
10-30-2015, 06:39 AM
So PP is the only health care provider for women ?? I have no idea what the "theocracy" statement means.
the·oc·ra·cy
THēˈäkrəsē
noun
1. A system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god.
2. What the RWNJs are trying to turn the United States into.
AeonPax
10-30-2015, 06:51 AM
That judge is stupid. We have Obamacare and there are plenty of facilities who can give care.
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Deal with it.
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 07:04 AM
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"A Louisiana judge issued an order on Thursday blocking attempts to defund Planned Parenthood clinics in the state, finding that more than 5,000 low-income patients would lose access to healthcare including cancer screenings and gynecology exa U.S. District Judge John deGravelles issued a preliminary injunction that requires Louisiana to continue providing Medicaid funding to the reproductive health organization's clinics.
Governor Bobby Jindal, a Republican candidate for president, moved to strip the group's funding this summer after the release of secretly recorded videos about how Planned Parenthood handles the tissue of aborted fetuses. Louisiana was the first of three Southern states to announce plans to end its contract with the organization to provide medical services to low-income residents." - Source (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/30/us-louisiana-plannedparenthood-idUSKCN0SO0F720151030)
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A big win for the women of Louisiana and another roadblock for theocracy.
This is really funny? Liberals actually think that this is a win for their side.
You see it is impossible for this defunding to prevent these women from getting the medical attention that is described above? The ACA mandated insurance covers this 100%. So their is no need for the federal funding for women to received these medical procedures.
So while this case and the TX and OK case heads toward the Supreme Court, the final ruling spells demise for either the ACA, or Planed Parenthood funding.
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 07:06 AM
the·oc·ra·cy
THēˈäkrəsē
noun
1. A system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god.
2. What the RWNJs are trying to turn the United States into.
I don't think that we need to worry about the priest running the country. So we are good.
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 07:08 AM
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Deal with it.
So here is the question,
Is it the ACA that is a total failure, or as a Democrat are you unwilling to give up the 100's of million of tax payer dollars that Planed Parenthood will launder for the DNC next year?
You can't have it both ways if the ACA is working then there is no need for Planed Parenthood to receive 600 million in tax dollars
AeonPax
10-30-2015, 07:13 AM
I don't think that we need to worry about the priest running the country. So we are good.
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You are not quite clear on the concept here - They really want a theocracy: The GOP candidates who want to make you bow to their lord (http://www.salon.com/2015/10/25/they_really_want_a_theocracy_the_gop_candidates_wh o_want_to_make_you_bow_to_their_lord/)
exotix
10-30-2015, 07:21 AM
Less Govt. More Guns.
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 07:26 AM
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You are not quite clear on the concept here - They really want a theocracy: The GOP candidates who want to make you bow to their lord (http://www.salon.com/2015/10/25/they_really_want_a_theocracy_the_gop_candidates_wh o_want_to_make_you_bow_to_their_lord/)
OK I promise you this, If one or any candidates propose Christianity as the national religion? I will in fact not vote for them, and I will do one better I will openly oppose that candidate. Because that is exactly what the founding fathers did not want.
However; The article you posted has something very wrong, and that is the nations government was founded to be Godless. In the Federal Papers it is very clear, and in the History of our country, including actions by the founders themselves. God was not to be prohibited in our Government system, to the contrary our government was created to protect the natural rights given by God.
And last the defunding has nothing to do with God but with Morality. Killing an unborn child is just not more and it is wrong. Killing them to harvest body parts in not only immoral but criminal according to our laws.
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 07:26 AM
Less Govt. More Guns.
I like the idea, guns are far less dangerous
hanger4
10-30-2015, 08:02 AM
the·oc·ra·cy
THēˈäkrəsē
noun
1. A system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god.
2. What the RWNJs are trying to turn the United States into.
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You are not quite clear on the concept here - They really want a theocracy: The GOP candidates who want to make you bow to their lord (http://www.salon.com/2015/10/25/they_really_want_a_theocracy_the_gop_candidates_wh o_want_to_make_you_bow_to_their_lord/)
Seriously ?? Do progressives really believe conservatives really want a Theocracy ?? or is it just a meme they throw out when they have no rebuttal ??
Common
10-30-2015, 08:05 AM
Jindal did this right before he declared he was running for Potus to put a tingle in the far rights testicles about him. He reminds me of a non obese christie
exotix
10-30-2015, 08:07 AM
Seriously ?? Do progressives really believe conservatives really want a Theocracy ?? or is it just a meme they throw out when they have no rebuttal ??
http://i66.tinypic.com/2qwza7c.jpg
Matty
10-30-2015, 08:41 AM
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Deal with it.
So you are one of those who believes that hacking babies into pieces and ripping their heads off is okay and that taxpayers must pay for it. That makes people like you and that judge amoral.
Matty
10-30-2015, 08:43 AM
Seriously ?? Do progressives really believe conservatives really want a Theocracy ?? or is it just a meme they throw out when they have no rebuttal ??
It's nonsense and they know it. The constitution forbids a theocracy. They just want to be able to barbarically murder little babies.
hanger4
10-30-2015, 08:44 AM
http://i66.tinypic.com/2qwza7c.jpg
Thanks exo, it is just a meme when progressives have no rebuttal.
exotix
10-30-2015, 08:48 AM
Thanks exo, it is just a meme when progressives have no rebuttal.Let's cut the crap ... todays' conservatism has been on a (dark ages) theocratic-takeover of America since Palin.
http://i65.tinypic.com/33jh206.jpg
Mac-7
10-30-2015, 08:50 AM
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"A Louisiana judge issued an order on Thursday blocking attempts to defund Planned Parenthood clinics in the state, finding that more than 5,000 low-income patients would lose access to healthcare including cancer screenings and gynecology exa U.S. District Judge John deGravelles issued a preliminary injunction that requires Louisiana to continue providing Medicaid funding to the reproductive health organization's clinics.
Governor Bobby Jindal, a Republican candidate for president, moved to strip the group's funding this summer after the release of secretly recorded videos about how Planned Parenthood handles the tissue of aborted fetuses. Louisiana was the first of three Southern states to announce plans to end its contract with the organization to provide medical services to low-income residents." - Source (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/30/us-louisiana-plannedparenthood-idUSKCN0SO0F720151030)
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A big win for the women of Louisiana and another roadblock for theocracy.
Actually it's a loss for representative democracy and the rule of law when one unelected dictator can overrule the will of the people in an entire state
hanger4
10-30-2015, 08:56 AM
Let's cut the crap ... todays' conservatism has been on a (dark ages) theocratic-takeover of America since Palin.
Yes let's cut the crap exo. Show us all the introduced legislation to amend the first amendment.
Chris
10-30-2015, 08:57 AM
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You are not quite clear on the concept here - They really want a theocracy: The GOP candidates who want to make you bow to their lord (http://www.salon.com/2015/10/25/they_really_want_a_theocracy_the_gop_candidates_wh o_want_to_make_you_bow_to_their_lord/)
So you found an opinion that agrees with yours. Unremarkable.
Chris
10-30-2015, 08:58 AM
Louisiana should have set up an alternative health care system like Texas did before they defunded PP.
Mister D
10-30-2015, 09:01 AM
the·oc·ra·cy
THēˈäkrəsē
noun
1. A system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god.
2. What the RWNJs are trying to turn the United States into.
You seem to be a lot more rational than aeon so I have to ask...are you serious?
Mister D
10-30-2015, 09:02 AM
So you found an opinion that agrees with yours. Unremarkable.
It appears that theocracy has gone the way of fascism and racism. It's a concept so elastic it's devoid of specific content.
Mac-7
10-30-2015, 09:08 AM
I'm surprised to hear godless liberals admit that protection of innocent human life is an exclusively Christian principle
Imagine when godless libs run the show and it becomes legal to kill store clerks during a robbery
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 09:27 AM
the·oc·ra·cy
THēˈäkrəsē
noun
1. A system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god.
2. What the RWNJs are trying to turn the United States into.
why do these left wing idiots throw out stupid and unsupportable comments such as those?
Chris
10-30-2015, 09:46 AM
It appears that theocracy has gone the way of fascism and racism. It's a concept so elastic it's devoid of specific content.
TS Elliot, "The Hollow Men"
We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar
Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;
Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us-if at all-not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men
Crepitus
10-30-2015, 10:15 AM
I don't think that we need to worry about the priest running the country. So we are good.
You don't think we need to worry about that, and I don't think the democrats are ever coming for your guns.
Do you stop worrying when I say that?
Crepitus
10-30-2015, 10:18 AM
Seriously ?? Do progressives really believe conservatives really want a Theocracy ?? or is it just a meme they throw out when they have no rebuttal ??
Not a meme, something I am seriously concerned about. Especially when the leading conservative presidential candidate believes the earth was literally created in 7 days and the last election cycle the nominee wore magic underwear.
Crepitus
10-30-2015, 10:18 AM
You seem to be a lot more rational than aeon so I have to ask...are you serious?
see above.
Crepitus
10-30-2015, 10:20 AM
why do these left wing idiots throw out stupid and unsupportable comments such as those?
What is stupid and unsupportable about this? Are you blind?
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 10:27 AM
What is stupid and unsupportable about this? Are you blind?
whats stupid and unsupportable is saying that someone is trying to make the United States a theodicy.
Thats just dumb and unsupportable
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 10:29 AM
Not a meme, something I am seriously concerned about.
And there are people wearing tin foil hats who worry about alien abductions too.
Crepitus
10-30-2015, 10:30 AM
whats stupid and unsupportable is saying that someone is trying to make the United States a theodicy.
That's just dumb and unsupportable
57% Of Republicans Say Dismantle Constitution And Make Christianity National Religion (http://www.politicususa.com/2015/02/25/57-republicans-dismantle-constitution-christianity-national-religion.html)
A Public Policy Polling (PPP) national survey conducted between February 20th and February 22nd of Republican voters, found that an astonishing 57 percent of Republicans want to dismantle the Constitution, and establish Christianity as the official national religion. Only 30 percent oppose making Christianity the national religion.
Crepitus
10-30-2015, 10:32 AM
And there are people wearing tin foil hats who worry about alien abductions too.
And others hiding in their moms basement worried the feds are coming for their AR-15.
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 10:33 AM
57% Of Republicans Say Dismantle Constitution And Make Christianity National Religion (http://www.politicususa.com/2015/02/25/57-republicans-dismantle-constitution-christianity-national-religion.html)
Because some left wing organization invents these people out of thin air? Ok.
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 10:34 AM
Any expectation of engaging in a rational discussion has just been eliminated.
exotix
10-30-2015, 10:38 AM
Any expectation of engaging in a rational discussion has just been eliminated.Like what do you mean ?
Conservatives want to destroy womens' health services because of their religious beliefs .... you only see this in ISIS & Muslim Jihad countries.
Mac-7
10-30-2015, 10:43 AM
57% Of Republicans Say Dismantle Constitution And Make Christianity National Religion (http://www.politicususa.com/2015/02/25/57-republicans-dismantle-constitution-christianity-national-religion.html)
I have never heard of that group
Is it funded by the Hungarian refugee George Soros?
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 10:44 AM
Any expectation of engaging in a rational discussion has just been eliminated.
Like what do you mean ?
Conservatives want to destroy womens' health services because of their religious beliefs .... you only see this in ISIS & Muslim Jihad countries.
See what I mean?
Idiots actually believe that that conservative want women to be denied all health care because of their religious beliefs.
Theres now no chance a rational discussion can be salvaged here.
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 10:44 AM
I have never heard of that group
Is it funded by the Hungarian refugee George Soros?
Thats because its a dishonest figment of an uber left wing imagination
exotix
10-30-2015, 10:50 AM
See what I mean?
Idiots actually believe that that conservative want women to be denied all health care because of their religious beliefs.
Theres now no chance a rational discussion can be salvaged here.How is shutting-down the govt. over planned parenthood rational ?
Adelaide
10-30-2015, 11:33 AM
I wouldn't say I'm a supporter of Planned Parenthood but I know that a vast majority of their operations have nothing to do with abortion - if lawmakers want to stop funding abortion then they should come up with something specific to that and leave the rest of Planned Parenthood alone. If they achieved that, I don't think many liberals could argue against it since the defense of PP is usually exactly what I said, that they mostly provide much needed services not related to the topic of abortion.
Chris
10-30-2015, 11:40 AM
I wouldn't say I'm a supporter of Planned Parenthood but I know that a vast majority of their operations have nothing to do with abortion - if lawmakers want to stop funding abortion then they should come up with something specific to that and leave the rest of Planned Parenthood alone. If they achieved that, I don't think many liberals could argue against it since the defense of PP is usually exactly what I said, that they mostly provide much needed services not related to the topic of abortion.
The government once split investment banks and depository banks, it breaks up supposed monopolies, why not break up PP into PP Abortion and PP Health?
leekohler2
10-30-2015, 11:40 AM
Seriously ?? Do progressives really believe conservatives really want a Theocracy ?? or is it just a meme they throw out when they have no rebuttal ??
Oh, it's definitely what a lot of them want. They want to mingle religion and government for sure. Did you not read the article he linked you to? They're not even shy about saying it.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/ReligionPollingResults.pdf
Chris
10-30-2015, 11:42 AM
How is shutting-down the govt. over planned parenthood rational ?
Agree, it should just be shut down period before it spends us into debt so high we collapse.
Matty
10-30-2015, 11:50 AM
How is shutting-down the govt. over planned parenthood rational ?
Would Obama do that?
Adelaide
10-30-2015, 11:50 AM
The government once split investment banks and depository banks, it breaks up supposed monopolies, why not break up PP into PP Abortion and PP Health?
I think that would be smart for the pro-life crowd. It basically makes the discussion boil down to only the issue of abortion and takes away the ability of liberals like myself to protest defunding of Planned Parenthood on the basis of the legitimately needed healthcare services for women that have nothing to do with abortion. I think it would be the smartest approach and it wouldn't be that hard to create legislation saying that abortion clinics have to operate separately from other women's health services. Then the government can selectively stop funding the abortion services aspect specifically.
Man, I'm a fucking turncoat. For the record, I'm pro-choice.
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 11:55 AM
How is shutting-down the govt. over planned parenthood rational ?
when did that happen?
This is really funny? Liberals actually think that this is a win for their side.
You see it is impossible for this defunding to prevent these women from getting the medical attention that is described above? The ACA mandated insurance covers this 100%. So their is no need for the federal funding for women to received these medical procedures.
So while this case and the TX and OK case heads toward the Supreme Court, the final ruling spells demise for either the ACA, or Planed Parenthood funding.
Planned parenthood is nothing but a corporation. Why fund any corporation?
I have yet to object to defunding corporations. It should be done. Such as when Obama funded Solyndra then came here to Fremont, CA to boast over his deed. Then the company washed out as if it was in some sinkhole.
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 11:57 AM
How is shutting-down the govt. over planned parenthood rational ?
Would Obama do that?
Of course the rational argument is asking how something which didn't happen, happened.
There has to be a reason exo and some others always inject this kind of shit into a discussion.
I think that would be smart for the pro-life crowd. It basically makes the discussion boil down to only the issue of abortion and takes away the ability of liberals like myself to protest defunding of Planned Parenthood on the basis of the legitimately needed healthcare services for women that have nothing to do with abortion. I think it would be the smartest approach and it wouldn't be that hard to create legislation saying that abortion clinics have to operate separately from other women's health services. Then the government can selectively stop funding the abortion services aspect specifically.
Man, I'm a fucking turncoat. For the record, I'm pro-choice.
When you say you are pro choice, think of your family members.
Do you wish your mom aborted any of them?
Abortions kill humans.
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 12:00 PM
The government once split investment banks and depository banks, it breaks up supposed monopolies, why not break up PP into PP Abortion and PP Health?
Thats never going to happen. To many, abortion is considered a simple health care procedure much like a tonsillectomy or apendectomy.
Adelaide
10-30-2015, 12:03 PM
When you say you are pro choice, think of your family members.
Do you wish your mom aborted any of them?
Abortions kill humans.
Why the hell would I do that? I'm not in any position to make choices for other people or to know what is best for them. Until science can conclusively prove more about fetal development and until medical ethicists can all get together and agree, I have no right to force my feelings (which were largely influenced by religion, and not even my own religion) onto other people.
Thats never going to happen. To many, abortion is considered a simple health care procedure much like a tonsillectomy or apendectomy.
If women had a stock of forming babies inside their bodies, then I could wrap my mind around why they claim the harm comes to the woman's body. But they never claim harm comes to the woman's body during any abortion unless in a back alley. I doubt any ever happened in back alleys to point that out.
Sharks have forming teeth so if they lose any, new teeth come up. Babies are not like that.
Harm does not come to the women physically, yet mentally many have some very bad things take place to women. Why do women support bad things happening to women?
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When you say you are pro choice, think of your family members.
Do you wish your mom aborted any of them?
Abortions kill humans.
Why the hell would I do that? I'm not in any position to make choices for other people or to know what is best for them. Until science can conclusively prove more about fetal development and until medical ethicists can all get together and agree, I have no right to force my feelings (which were largely influenced by religion, and not even my own religion) onto other people.
You left out your family members when you discussed this. You stick to the child. It is not religion to me no more than murder is religion. Wrong is wrong. Taking life is wrong. And condoning it is wrong.
It might hit you hard were you to talk to a person who was saved from the butchers suction devices and chopping equipment and now lives due to the last moment change of heart by a loving mother. Said mother put the child up for adoption so the so called woman's body part lives to be a productive person broadcasting on TV. She told me her personal story.
leekohler2
10-30-2015, 12:10 PM
Why the hell would I do that? I'm not in any position to make choices for other people or to know what is best for them. Until science can conclusively prove more about fetal development and until medical ethicists can all get together and agree, I have no right to force my feelings (which were largely influenced by religion, and not even my own religion) onto other people.
Exactly. That should be the end of the argument right there.
How is shutting-down the govt. over planned parenthood rational ?
Cut this out. You know very well government has not shut down.
leekohler2
10-30-2015, 12:12 PM
You left out your family members when you discussed this. You stick to the child. It is not religion to me no more than murder is religion. Wrong is wrong. Taking life is wrong. And condoning it is wrong.
It might hit you hard were you to talk to a person who was saved from the butchers suction devices and chopping equipment and now lives due to the last moment change of heart by a loving mother. Said mother put the child up for adoption so the so called woman's body part lives to be a productive person broadcasting on TV. She told me her personal story.
Did she also feel you about what it was like in the womb while the decision was being made?
Matty
10-30-2015, 12:13 PM
I am happy to report that I am pro life and pro birth control. Why don't women choose birth control?
Did she also feel you about what it was like in the womb while the decision was being made?
No, but I wish she had time to post here to tell her delightful story of living post escaping the murder of the baby in the womb.
leekohler2
10-30-2015, 12:16 PM
I am happy to report that I am pro life and pro birth control. Why don't women choose birth control?
Why don't men?
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 12:17 PM
If women had a stock of forming babies inside their bodies, then I could wrap my mind around why they claim the harm comes to the woman's body. But they never claim harm comes to the woman's body during any abortion unless in a back alley. I doubt any ever happened in back alleys to point that out.
Sharks have forming teeth so if they lose any, new teeth come up. Babies are not like that.
Harm does not come to the women physically, yet mentally many have some very bad things take place to women. Why do women support bad things happening to women?
The people who consider abortion on the same level as an apendectomy don't think the abortion causes harm. They believe the pregnancy is what's harmful.
To them, the unborn child is akin to a malignant tumor, or useless organ being removed.
I am happy to report that I am pro life and pro birth control. Why don't women choose birth control?
I saw the rapid change happening in the 1960s when the pill was made available all over this country. The fact is, the choice must be made prior to sex, not once sex happens and the female is pregnant.
I don't wish to force women to have children. I simply would be happy if they stopped the mass killings of their own children.
The people who consider abortion on the same level as an apendectomy don't think the abortion causes harm. They believe the pregnancy is what's harmful.
To them, the unborn child is akin to a malignant tumor, or useless organ being removed.
That nailed it nicely.
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 12:22 PM
Cut this out. You know very well government has not shut down.
even when the government is shut down as they claim, it isnt shut down. It is impossible to shut down government. They won't allow themselves to be shut down.
The notion of a government shut down is a dishonest political tool utilized to exploit the exploitable.
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 12:23 PM
The people who consider abortion on the same level as an apendectomy don't think the abortion causes harm. They believe the pregnancy is what's harmful.
To them, the unborn child is akin to a malignant tumor, or useless organ being removed.
That nailed it nicely.
And that can not be denied. I just wonder how many people can admit that?
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 12:25 PM
I saw the rapid change happening in the 1960s when the pill was made available all over this country. The fact is, the choice must be made prior to sex, not once sex happens and the female is pregnant.
I don't wish to force women to have children. I simply would be happy if they stopped the mass killings of their own children.
I believe the personal choice ends once a woman chooses to become pregnant.
southwest88
10-30-2015, 12:26 PM
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And last the defunding has nothing to do with God but with Morality. Killing an unborn child is just not more and it is wrong. Killing them to harvest body parts in not only immoral but criminal according to our laws.
That's odd. The last reports I read, the donation of fetal tissue from abortions by Planned Parenthood only took place in California & Washington state. (There were more PP affiliates that did so, but they've stopped - either because the research projects ended or out of concern for their security - see http://time.com/4073656/planned-parenthood-fetal-tissue/ )
TMK, Louisiana was not one of the states.
southwest88
10-30-2015, 12:29 PM
So you are one of those who believes that hacking babies into pieces and ripping their heads off is okay and that taxpayers must pay for it. That makes people like you and that judge amoral.
No, under US Federal law, federal monies can't be used for abortions. There is an exception for the physical health of the woman, if she carries to term.
even when the government is shut down as they claim, it isnt shut down. It is impossible to shut down government. They won't allow themselves to be shut down.
The notion of a government shut down is a dishonest political tool utilized to exploit the exploitable.
Taxes still flow in every day and so long as they do not spend PAST the debt ceiling, the rest of the spending is quite legal. That is why they really do not shut down.
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 12:37 PM
The argument "health of the mother" can be used to justify anything. The left strongly opposes making it "life of the mother".
southwest88
10-30-2015, 12:39 PM
Actually it's a loss for representative democracy and the rule of law when one unelected dictator can overrule the will of the people in an entire state
The rule of law? Funny, we (the US) have a judicial branch of government, & so does Louisiana, even with its twists & turns under French & Spanish governmental overlays. Maybe you're harkening back to the old days under the CSA - which did not have a Supreme Court, the better to manage its political & internal policies, I imagine.
How do we know the will of the entire state of Louisiana? The surest way would be to hold a plebiscite - & measure the will of the people directly. Gov. Piyush Jindal (his actual name, as opposed to the adorable Bobby) is entitled to his opinion - but his opinion is no substitute for the facts on the ground, which could be easily ascertained come the next general election.
Chris
10-30-2015, 12:43 PM
Thats never going to happen. To many, abortion is considered a simple health care procedure much like a tonsillectomy or apendectomy.
The videos coming out humanize the fetus and dehumanize the procedure.
If enough states defund, and offer alternative health services, PP might have to restructure itself. Of course there's SCOTUS cases coming and will likely find an artificial, activist solution.
Matty
10-30-2015, 12:46 PM
No, under US Federal law, federal monies can't be used for abortions. There is an exception for the physical health of the woman, if she carries to term.
Do you really buy the story that PP dosen't use federal money to fund abortions?
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 12:47 PM
I doubt that many states will defund PP. Certainly not the states with the large inner city populations in the country.
nathanbforrest45
10-30-2015, 12:48 PM
why do these left wing idiots throw out stupid and unsupportable comments such as those?
Because emotion trumps logic any day of the week.
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 12:49 PM
Do you really buy the story that PP dosen't use federal money to fund abortions?
No. I believe all of their funds are used to support the organization as a whole. One element of their operation is not independent of the other. They are the sum of their various parts.
Chris
10-30-2015, 12:49 PM
Actually it's a loss for representative democracy and the rule of law when one unelected dictator can overrule the will of the people in an entire state
The rule of law? Funny, we (the US) have a judicial branch of government, & so does Louisiana, even with its twists & turns under French & Spanish governmental overlays. Maybe you're harkening back to the old days under the CSA - which did not have a Supreme Court, the better to manage its political & internal policies, I imagine.
How do we know the will of the entire state of Louisiana? The surest way would be to hold a plebiscite - & measure the will of the people directly. Gov. Piyush Jindal (his actual name, as opposed to the adorable Bobby) is entitled to his opinion - but his opinion is no substitute for the facts on the ground, which could be easily ascertained come the next general election.
Rule of law means everyone, from king to knave, follows same rules, as opposed to rule of man where rules are applied to some and not others, where some gain at the loss of others, etc.
Crepitus
10-30-2015, 12:49 PM
Because some left wing organization invents these people out of thin air? Ok.
That's it, follow the program, it's time to attack the source.
Crepitus
10-30-2015, 12:50 PM
I have never heard of that group
Is it funded by the Hungarian refugee George Soros?
refer to post #81
nathanbforrest45
10-30-2015, 12:52 PM
I wouldn't say I'm a supporter of Planned Parenthood but I know that a vast majority of their operations have nothing to do with abortion - if lawmakers want to stop funding abortion then they should come up with something specific to that and leave the rest of Planned Parenthood alone. If they achieved that, I don't think many liberals could argue against it since the defense of PP is usually exactly what I said, that they mostly provide much needed services not related to the topic of abortion.
Like what? What other services do they provide that cannot be achieved elsewhere?
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 12:52 PM
the·oc·ra·cy
THēˈäkrəsē
noun
1. A system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god.
2. What the RWNJs are trying to turn the United States into.
why do these left wing idiots throw out stupid and unsupportable comments such as those?
Because emotion trumps logic any day of the week.
But that's not an emotional plea. That's just flat out unsupportable stupidity.
nathanbforrest45
10-30-2015, 12:54 PM
Thats never going to happen. To many, abortion is considered a simple health care procedure much like a tonsillectomy or apendectomy.
Or as Rush states, is the prime sacrament of the Women's Movement.
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 12:55 PM
That's it, follow the program, it's time to attack the source.
There's no source to attack. The people polled are pure fiction. A product of a dishonest imagination with a political agenda.
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 12:58 PM
Or as Rush states, is the prime sacrament of the Women's Movement.
Actually, it's the most important issue in liberalism itself. It's the one issue that unifies nearly every liberal. The pro life liberal is very rare. Plus the very few who are have been conditioned to keep their yap shut, or ignore it.
nathanbforrest45
10-30-2015, 12:59 PM
I wonder if a homosexual gene were discovered would homosexuals still support abortion on demand if it were used to end the life of a homosexual fetus? Could not the claim be made that the mother would suffer if she were forced to give birth to a homosexual child, the pain and agony of the shame and guilt society would make her feel for having a homosexual child?
nathanbforrest45
10-30-2015, 01:00 PM
I believe the personal choice ends once a woman chooses to become pregnant.
Don't forget those millions of women who are raped by their brothers and fathers and impregnated on purpose by them. Isn't the percentage of pregnancies caused by rape somewhere around 85 or 90 percent?
southwest88
10-30-2015, 01:00 PM
Do you really buy the story that PP dosen't use federal money to fund abortions?
Sure, the affiliates & the parent are audited periodically. (As non-profits, a full audit every 5 years or so, with annual examinations otherwise. Those requirements vary from state to state, though. You should check on the requirements in your state, if you're wondering about your statewide PP.) They have to show money in, money out, expenditures, broad categories of spending, budgets, personnel, salaries, hourly, benefits, insurance, overhead, facilities, medical expenses, rent, operating expenses, number of patients/people served by category of service, cost per visit, non-duplicated number of patients/people served, & on & on.
No, once PP began providing abortion services, Congress quickly passed legislation that federal monies could not be used for abortions. State monies are up to the individual states.
& psst, if you're going to try to load your questions, I suggest you use spellcheck before you hit enter. Get all those duckies in a row.
exotix
10-30-2015, 01:03 PM
I wonder if a homosexual gene were discovered would homosexuals still support abortion on demand if it were used to end the life of a homosexual fetus? Could not the claim be made that the mother would suffer if she were forced to give birth to a homosexual child, the pain and agony of the shame and guilt society would make her feel for having a homosexual child?
Actually a good point ... say for instance, when the conservatives went insane with the whole Personhood and Legiti-rape platform ... I remember several women who got by pregnant by rape but carried their pregnancy to term ... were outraged that wacked-out right-wingers attempted Big Govt. intervention on their wombs.
nathanbforrest45
10-30-2015, 01:03 PM
Do you really buy the story that PP dosen't use federal money to fund
abortions?
By taking federal dollars for whatever else they may do they can use non federal dollars for abortions. The only way you could possibly separate the two is to have two entirely different entities that share nothing between them.
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 01:09 PM
Don't forget those millions of women who are raped by their brothers and fathers and impregnated on purpose by them. Isn't the percentage of pregnancies caused by rape somewhere around 85 or 90 percent?
Right, millions of women are raped continually by the males in their family. Every day million of women are raped by their father, brothers and uncles.
southwest88
10-30-2015, 01:24 PM
Originally Posted by Mac-7 http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=1309356#post1309356) Actually it's a loss for representative democracy and the rule of law when one unelected dictator can overrule the will of the people in an entire state
Rule of law means everyone, from king to knave, follows same rules, as opposed to rule of man where rules are applied to some and not others, where some gain at the loss of others, etc.
Well & good, we're down to definition of terms. Excellent! LA Gov. Piyush is @ disadvantage here - if you look @ his education & career, he probably knows the biological facts of life & public health policy better than most of us. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal#Early_life_and_education
"Jindal graduated from Brown University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_University) in 1991 at the age of 20, with honors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_honors) in two majors, biology and public policy.[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal#cite_note-ReferenceA-15)[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal#cite_note-16) He was one of 50 students nationwide admitted to the Program in Liberal Medical Education (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpert_Medical_School#PLME) (PLME), guaranteeing him a place at Brown Medical School (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpert_Medical_School). Jindal is also credited with leading Brown (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_University)'s College Republicans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Republicans) student group.[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal#cite_note-17) Jindal was named to the 1992 USA Today (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Today) All-USA Academic Team. He applied to and was accepted by both Harvard Medical School (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Medical_School) and Yale Law School (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale_Law_School), but studied at New College, Oxford (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_College,_Oxford), as a Rhodes Scholar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodes_Scholarship). He received an M.Litt. degree (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Letters) in political science (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_science) with an emphasis in health policy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_policy) from the University of Oxford (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Oxford) in 1994, where the subject of his thesis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis) was "A needs-based approach to health care".[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal#cite_note-ReferenceA-15)"
(My emphasis - more @ the URL. He's spent a lot of his career in health care studies, analysis, admin)
So - Gov. Jindal has to play by the rules, state & federal. If he doesn't like the political facts of life, then he's in the wrong field. He has an excellent content preparation - but the state of LA doesn't dance to his tune. He's only a state executive - he has lots of influence @ the state executive level, but LA isn't just an executive critter. He has to deal with a lot of civilians & other branches of government @ various levels, & companies & agencies with other agendas.
It's too bad, I think he's a bright guy.
Mac-7
10-30-2015, 01:59 PM
Actually a good point ... say for instance, when the conservatives went insane with the whole Personhood and Legiti-rape platform ... I remember several women who got by pregnant by rape but carried their pregnancy to term ... were outraged that wacked-out right-wingers attempted Big Govt. intervention on their wombs.
Women should not be allowed to kill innocent human beings
And the child of a rape has committed no capital offense
But -
from a practical political standpoint most abortions involve liberal woman killing children who are future liberals
So even abortion has a silver lining
exotix
10-30-2015, 02:09 PM
Women should not be allowed to kill innocent human beings
And the child of a rape has committed no capital offense
But -
from a practical political standpoint most abortions involve liberal woman killing children who are future liberals
So even abortion has a silver liningSounds like Lebensborn.
No, under US Federal law, federal monies can't be used for abortions. There is an exception for the physical health of the woman, if she carries to term.
don't bother
they only hear what they want to hear
Safety
10-30-2015, 02:22 PM
don't bother
they only hear what they want to hear
And when there is nothing to hear, they make something up.
Chris
10-30-2015, 02:32 PM
don't bother
they only hear what they want to hear
Mainly because we already knew that. Why else would the states be defunding Medicaid funds? Doh.
Chris
10-30-2015, 02:33 PM
And when there is nothing to hear, they make something up.
Such as babies come from storks?
Safety
10-30-2015, 02:40 PM
Such as babies come from storks?
They don't?
Peter1469
10-30-2015, 02:50 PM
The OP doesn't go into detail, but this is a preliminary injunction to preserve the status quo during some court proceeding.
leekohler2
10-30-2015, 03:39 PM
I wonder if a homosexual gene were discovered would homosexuals still support abortion on demand if it were used to end the life of a homosexual fetus?
I would. But you also assume that all gay people are pro choice, which is utterly ridiculous.
Could not the claim be made that the mother would suffer if she were forced to give birth to a homosexual child, the pain and agony of the shame and guilt society would make her feel for having a homosexual child?
It would be a really silly claim, since most people have no problem with homosexuals. But she could probably claim it anyway.
But we've been through this argument before.
silvereyes
10-30-2015, 03:54 PM
They don't?
Nope, the cabbage patch.
I would. But you also assume that all gay people are pro choice, which is utterly ridiculous.
It would be a really silly claim, since most people have no problem with homosexuals. But she could probably claim it anyway.
But we've been through this argument before.
To me, homosexuals are simply nothing to notice. They are as rare in my presence as are martians.
silvereyes
10-30-2015, 04:17 PM
To me, homosexuals are simply nothing to notice. They are as rare in my presence as are martians.
Really? I seem to recall you had a gay family member.
leekohler2
10-30-2015, 04:22 PM
To me, homosexuals are simply nothing to notice. They are as rare in my presence as are martians.
Interesting, since you just noticed. And unless you simply never leave the house, I guarantee you that they are in your presence more than Martians.
Really? I seem to recall you had a gay family member.
Jim died long ago. If you plan to remember, remember all of it.
Jim
BIRTH
7 December 1941
Bakersfield, CA
DEATH
2 Dec 1984
Staten Island, Richmond, New York, New York
Common Sense
10-30-2015, 04:24 PM
Really? I seem to recall you had a gay family member.
His martian brother is the black sheep of the family.
Mister D
10-30-2015, 04:25 PM
His martian brother is the black sheep of the family.
Pink sheep.
Mister D
10-30-2015, 04:26 PM
Jim died long ago. If you plan to remember, remember all of it.
Jim
BIRTH
7 December 1941
Bakersfield, CA
DEATH
2 Dec 1984
Staten Island, Richmond, New York, New York
Pretty young. I recall you saying he died from AIDS. Is that correct? Or am I mistaken?
leekohler2
10-30-2015, 04:26 PM
His martian brother is the black sheep of the family.
Since Martians don't exist, he made a false statement.
leekohler2
10-30-2015, 04:27 PM
Pretty young. I recall you saying he died from AIDS. Is that correct? Or am I mistaken?
Pretty sure it was booze.
Interesting, since you just noticed. And unless you simply never leave the house, I guarantee you that they are in your presence more than Martians.
As long as they act normal, I might not notice them.
Pretty young. I recall you saying he died from AIDS. Is that correct? Or am I mistaken?
In 1984, the epidemic was not where he hung out at.
Jim died of just too much drinking alcohol.
His martian brother is the black sheep of the family.
Jim went for research once he died. So, it is my guess is all of him was disposed of.
Common Sense
10-30-2015, 04:40 PM
Jim went for research once he died. So, it is my guess is all of him was disposed of.
Just a friendly heads up. You shouldn't post his person details. A quick search would give people info about you.
Honestly just some friendly advice.
Just a friendly heads up. You shouldn't post his person details. A quick search would give people info about you.
Honestly just some friendly advice.
Thank you but the data is not top secret.
silvereyes
10-30-2015, 04:48 PM
Im pretty sure he was hoping no one remembered. I wonder if Jim would be saddened to read your blase dismissaal?
silvereyes
10-30-2015, 04:50 PM
As long as they act normal, I might not notice them.
Im going to hate this but: define normal.
Common Sense
10-30-2015, 04:50 PM
Thank you but the data is not top secret.
It should be. Using that data your last name could be easily found. You advertise what city you live in etc...
Like I said, just some friendly advice.
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 04:50 PM
Jindal did this right before he declared he was running for Potus to put a tingle in the far rights testicles about him. He reminds me of a non obese christie
How did that work for him? he is at 1%? I don't think that it worked
What we have here is liberals lying again, I mean still.
Mister D
10-30-2015, 04:50 PM
Im pretty sure he was hoping no one remembered. I wonder if Jim would be saddened to read your blase dismissaal?
Yeah, that's why he brought it up more than once. :rollseyes:
leekohler2
10-30-2015, 04:50 PM
Im going to hate this but: define normal.
Oh you know, "not gay". :rollseyes:
Im going to hate this but: define normal.
Somehow I am not shocked to be asked this.
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 04:52 PM
Let's cut the crap ... todays' conservatism has been on a (dark ages) theocratic-takeover of America since Palin.
http://i65.tinypic.com/33jh206.jpg
Let the record show that Exotix was defeated before he even started posting in this thread
Mister D
10-30-2015, 04:52 PM
Im going to hate this but: define normal.
He probably means acting effeminate.
It should be. Using that data your last name could be easily found. You advertise what city you live in etc...
Like I said, just some friendly advice.
Jim lived at Staten Island. I have never lived there. I set foot on that island one time in 1964
Mister D
10-30-2015, 04:53 PM
Somehow I am not shocked to be asked this.
You're talking to people who will obfuscate to no end.
Common Sense
10-30-2015, 04:53 PM
Normal, you know, not limp wristed, lispy or sucking dick in public.
He probably means acting effeminate.
I should be surprised she does not understand normal.
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 04:54 PM
You don't think we need to worry about that, and I don't think the democrats are ever coming for your guns.
Do you stop worrying when I say that?
Which church is being proposed as the national church?
Normal, you know, not limp wristed, lispy or sucking dick in public.
So far, i have never accused all homosexuals of operating that way. But apparently you have a good feel for this topic.
Common Sense
10-30-2015, 04:55 PM
Jim lived at Staten Island. I have never lived there. I set foot on that island one time in 1964
Yes, I get that Bob. That doesn't matter. The data you gave can still identify you....assuming you both had the last name.
With that info, a person could find your last name and your home address.
Just saying, don't post stuff like that.
Mister D
10-30-2015, 04:55 PM
I should be surprised she does not understand normal.
They understand what it means. They just think you're impugning the character of homosexuals.
Common Sense
10-30-2015, 04:55 PM
So far, i have never accused all homosexuals of operating that way. But apparently you have a good feel for this topic.
It was a joke, Bob...
You're talking to people who will obfuscate to no end.
LOL I know. Darned shame too.
Mister D
10-30-2015, 04:56 PM
Normal, you know, not limp wristed, lispy or sucking dick in public.
You're on the right track with limp wristed and lispy.
It was a joke, Bob...
Did they laugh?
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 04:57 PM
Not a meme, something I am seriously concerned about. Especially when the leading conservative presidential candidate believes the earth was literally created in 7 days and the last election cycle the nominee wore magic underwear.
So you are not voting for Hilary? they are professed Christians and he was the last President to attend Church regularly while in office?
Obama professes to be a Christian, Most of the Founding fathers believed including FDR the progressive hero, that prayed for the nation over the radio?
Never has a president been sworn into office that did not utter the words So Help me God.
Now what
Crepitus
10-30-2015, 04:57 PM
Which church is being proposed as the national church?
Fortunately I don't think the movement is that cohesive yet.
You're on the right track with limp wristed and lispy.
He thought you would laugh. LMAO
Common Sense
10-30-2015, 04:57 PM
Did they laugh?
I can't tell. All these wires and stuff are in the way.
silvereyes
10-30-2015, 04:59 PM
Somehow I am not shocked to be asked this.
Well? Got a legit answer?
Crepitus
10-30-2015, 04:59 PM
So you are not voting for Hilary? they are professed Christians and he was the last President to attend Church regularly while in office?
Obama professes to be a Christian, Most of the Founding fathers believed including FDR the progressive hero, that prayed for the nation over the radio?
Never has a president been sworn into office that did not utter the words So Help me God.
Now what
I'm not voting for Hillary, but that is beside the point. I don't have a problem with them being christian, the problem comes when they want me to be.
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 05:00 PM
What is stupid and unsupportable about this? Are you blind?
Can you show us any proposed legislation that the GOP has written or brought up to make anything the national religion.
Here are w few bills that the left has brought up on the 2nd
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/281813-house-dems-unveil-gun-control-proposals
You are a person that usually does not wig out and resort to propaganda? What's UP
silvereyes
10-30-2015, 05:01 PM
I should be surprised she does not understand normal.
Oh, i understand normal. You, however, have a fucked up version of normal.
leekohler2
10-30-2015, 05:02 PM
So you are not voting for Hilary? they are professed Christians and he was the last President to attend Church regularly while in office?
Obama professes to be a Christian
Yeah but, they don't use their religion to make laws to force others to obey their religion's version of morality.
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 05:03 PM
Like what do you mean ?
Conservatives want to destroy womens' health services because of their religious beliefs .... you only see this in ISIS & Muslim Jihad countries.
What have the Republicans proposed that would prevent Women from getting health services?
leekohler2
10-30-2015, 05:03 PM
I'm not voting for Hillary, but that is beside the point. I don't have a problem with them being christian, the problem comes when they want me to be.
Exactly, or try to force you to live by their religion's rules through law.
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 05:04 PM
How is shutting-down the govt. over planned parenthood rational ?
How does shutting down the government prevent Women from getting Health services?
Weird comment
http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Crepitus http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=1309402#post1309402)
Not a meme, something I am seriously concerned about. Especially when the leading conservative presidential candidate believes the earth was literally created in 7 days and the last election cycle the nominee wore magic underwear.
You can't state as FACT the precise age of the Earth.
What magic is there in underwear?
This is so funny I must learn what is the magic?
What candidate believes in the 6 thousand year old concept?
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 05:06 PM
I wouldn't say I'm a supporter of Planned Parenthood but I know that a vast majority of their operations have nothing to do with abortion - if lawmakers want to stop funding abortion then they should come up with something specific to that and leave the rest of Planned Parenthood alone. If they achieved that, I don't think many liberals could argue against it since the defense of PP is usually exactly what I said, that they mostly provide much needed services not related to the topic of abortion.
We did, we have the ACA and you are required to have insurance in the USA, that Insurance must pay 100% for the Women's health screening that we are talking about.
Planed Parenthood does not even have the ability to do a mammogram, so they are not really that effective anyway.
Exactly, or try to force you to live by their religion's rules through law.
Yes, in your city, your local cops round you up and take you to the chosen church.
LMAO
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 05:09 PM
Oh, it's definitely what a lot of them want. They want to mingle religion and government for sure. Did you not read the article he linked you to? They're not even shy about saying it.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/ReligionPollingResults.pdf
Q1
Would you support or oppose making
Christianity the official religion of the United
States?
32%
Support making Christianity our country’s
official religion
.................................................
53%
Oppose making Christianity our country’s
official religion
.................................................
Not sure
.................................................. ........ 14%
Did any of you actually look at the results of the post?
Originally Posted by Adelaide http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=1309470#post1309470)
I wouldn't say I'm a supporter of Planned Parenthood but I know that a vast majority of their operations have nothing to do with abortion - if lawmakers want to stop funding abortion then they should come up with something specific to that and leave the rest of Planned Parenthood alone. If they achieved that, I don't think many liberals could argue against it since the defense of PP is usually exactly what I said, that they mostly provide much needed services not related to the topic of abortion.
Planned Parenthood is nothing more or less than a corporation. They report on the books that they bring in well over 100 million dollars per year over costs.
Why do they want money?
Crepitus
10-30-2015, 05:10 PM
Can you show us any proposed legislation that the GOP has written or brought up to make anything the national religion.
Here are w few bills that the left has brought up on the 2nd
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/281813-house-dems-unveil-gun-control-proposals
You are a person that usually does not wig out and resort to propaganda? What's UP
Do you think all the times the republican religious right tries to ban abortion is unrelated to this topic? How about those so called "freedom of religion" bills that aim to make discrimination legal?
No, they are very careful not to use words like "christian", but that's one of the things that scares me. They are being smart and sneaky about it, and nobody's really watching for it like the hawks watch for anything gun related so they slip this crap in on us.
Oh, i understand normal. You, however, have a fucked up version of normal.
Actually, it seems you want this in the hole.
That is not normal.
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 05:12 PM
Why the hell would I do that? I'm not in any position to make choices for other people or to know what is best for them. Until science can conclusively prove more about fetal development and until medical ethicists can all get together and agree, I have no right to force my feelings (which were largely influenced by religion, and not even my own religion) onto other people.
I think that I am pro choice to, when the baby can tell us weather it would like to live or die, I will support Abortion,
Do you think all the times the republican religious right tries to ban abortion is unrelated to this topic? How about those so called "freedom of religion" bills that aim to make discrimination legal?
No, they are very careful not to use words like "christian", but that's one of the things that scares me. They are being smart and sneaky about it, and nobody's really watching for it like the hawks watch for anything gun related so they slip this crap in on us.
You have far more to worry about with Democrats in power than what Christians might be able to do. I saw the survey posted by Zelmo1234 showing a fringe group wants a Christian nation. I think of this as sheer bigotry against the religious.
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 05:18 PM
That's odd. The last reports I read, the donation of fetal tissue from abortions by Planned Parenthood only took place in California & Washington state. (There were more PP affiliates that did so, but they've stopped - either because the research projects ended or out of concern for their security - see http://time.com/4073656/planned-parenthood-fetal-tissue/ )
TMK, Louisiana was not one of the states.
You all are missing the point. There is no reason for planed parenthood to get this funding.
The ACA is required by law and it is also required to cover women's health screening 100% All they need to do is bill the persons insurance.
i think that i am pro choice to, when the baby can tell us weather it would like to live or die, i will support abortion,
post of the day candidate
They understand what it means. They just think you're impugning the character of homosexuals.
Oh, I wonder if she sees all homosexuals as awesome people?
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 05:22 PM
I'm not voting for Hillary, but that is beside the point. I don't have a problem with them being christian, the problem comes when they want me to be.
I have an issue with that too, which Republican Candidate is proposing that?
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 05:24 PM
Yeah but, they don't use their religion to make laws to force others to obey their religion's version of morality.
Which one of the Candidate is proposing that?
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 05:26 PM
Do you think all the times the republican religious right tries to ban abortion is unrelated to this topic? How about those so called "freedom of religion" bills that aim to make discrimination legal?
No, they are very careful not to use words like "christian", but that's one of the things that scares me. They are being smart and sneaky about it, and nobody's really watching for it like the hawks watch for anything gun related so they slip this crap in on us.
No I think that it is about giving the unborn human the right to life, promised in the Declaration.
leekohler2
10-30-2015, 05:27 PM
Which one of the Candidate is proposing that?
Gee, all of them. We can start with many of them wanting to do away with same sex marriage- Huckabee, Santorum, Jindal, Carson. Just to name one issue and a few candidates.
silvereyes
10-30-2015, 05:30 PM
Actually, it seems you want this in the hole.
That is not normal.
The fact that you thought of that and not me proves otherwise.
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 05:30 PM
Gee, all of them. We can start with many of them wanting to do away with same sex marriage- Huckabee, Santorum, Jindal, Carson. Just to name one issue and a few candidates.
So you are for the government getting involved with the religious doctrine of marriage? I thought there was to be a separation of church and state?
And I think I will need to see a link showing what all of the candidates are proposing when it comes to National religion?
No offense but you are a liberal and liberals lie.
Crepitus
10-30-2015, 05:36 PM
I have an issue with that too, which Republican Candidate is proposing that?
Every last one of them that was in on the "religious freedom" crap that was actually meant to allow christians to discriminate against others.
Crepitus
10-30-2015, 05:45 PM
No I think that it is about giving the unborn human the right to life, promised in the Declaration.
How about not covering birth control? How about the fight against gay marriage?
silvereyes
10-30-2015, 05:53 PM
So you are for the government getting involved with the religious doctrine of marriage? I thought there was to be a separation of church and state?
And I think I will need to see a link showing what all of the candidates are proposing when it comes to National religion?
No offense but you are a liberal and liberals lie.
Yes, and all cons are ohsohonest all the time? Thats the best joke of the day.
AeonPax
10-30-2015, 06:13 PM
So you found an opinion that agrees with yours. Unremarkable.
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I have literally hundreds of research and investigation articles to prove my point. However, your stuck on your ideology and no amount of evidence and research can persuade you otherwise. It's part of your religious beliefs and beliefs such as yours, do not require proof.
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 06:13 PM
Every last one of them that was in on the "religious freedom" crap that was actually meant to allow christians to discriminate against others.
Well our group was discriminated against when the Gay couple would not print a bible verse on a tee shirt? Should they be able to discriminate?
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 06:15 PM
Yes, and all cons are ohsohonest all the time? Thats the best joke of the day.
I never said that? And I see that you did not come up with a link. So in trying to disprove my statement you had to lie? That is rich!
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 06:16 PM
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I have literally hundreds of research and investigation articles to prove my point. However, your stuck on your ideology and no amount of evidence and research can persuade you otherwise. It's part of your religious beliefs and beliefs such as yours, do not require proof.
How about we start with ONE! the OP stated that 23% wanted Christianity as the national religion? considering we would need 67% to repeal the 1st amendment, I think we are safe for a day or two.
How about we start with ONE! the OP stated that 23% wanted Christianity as the national religion? considering we would need 67% to repeal the 1st amendment, I think we are safe for a day or two.
75%
southwest88
10-30-2015, 06:55 PM
You all are missing the point. There is no reason for planed parenthood to get this funding.
The ACA is required by law and it is also required to cover women's health screening 100% All they need to do is bill the persons insurance.
See the OP:
"Governor Bobby (sic) Jindal, a Republican candidate for president, moved to strip the group's funding this summer after the release of secretly recorded videos about how Planned Parenthood handles the tissue of aborted fetuses."
(My emphasis)
The OP quotes an article which infers that Gov. Piyush objects to PP's alleged handling of the tissue of aborted fetuses, not that ACA renders PP's services moot. I think he's on questionable grounds, the action he's objecting to didn't even take place in LA, TMK. But I'm sure the courts will rule on the merits of the case.
leekohler2
10-30-2015, 07:18 PM
So you are for the government getting involved with the religious doctrine of marriage? I thought there was to be a separation of church and state?
And I think I will need to see a link showing what all of the candidates are proposing when it comes to National religion?
No offense but you are a liberal and liberals lie.
Marriage in the eyes of the government is a civil contract. Marriage as an institution predates religion. Religion did not create marriage and therefore does not own it. Government does not regulate religious marriages performed in churches in any way. You may be married in any church you like as long as you abide by that church's rules with no government documents, and no government agency will stop you.
Also, many people who are not religious get married every day in this country, and have since it's beginning.
leekohler2
10-30-2015, 07:20 PM
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I have literally hundreds of research and investigation articles to prove my point. However, your stuck on your ideology and no amount of evidence and research can persuade you otherwise. It's part of your religious beliefs and beliefs such as yours, do not require proof.
Go ahead and post some for him.
Chris
10-30-2015, 07:22 PM
Exactly. That should be the end of the argument right there.
Except there's another life involved.
Chris
10-30-2015, 07:26 PM
Rule of law means everyone, from king to knave, follows same rules, as opposed to rule of man where rules are applied to some and not others, where some gain at the loss of others, etc.
Originally Posted by Mac-7 http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=1309356#post1309356) Actually it's a loss for representative democracy and the rule of law when one unelected dictator can overrule the will of the people in an entire state
Well & good, we're down to definition of terms. Excellent! LA Gov. Piyush is @ disadvantage here - if you look @ his education & career, he probably knows the biological facts of life & public health policy better than most of us. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal#Early_life_and_education
"Jindal graduated from Brown University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_University) in 1991 at the age of 20, with honors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_honors) in two majors, biology and public policy.[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal#cite_note-ReferenceA-15)[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal#cite_note-16) He was one of 50 students nationwide admitted to the Program in Liberal Medical Education (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpert_Medical_School#PLME) (PLME), guaranteeing him a place at Brown Medical School (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpert_Medical_School). Jindal is also credited with leading Brown (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_University)'s College Republicans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Republicans) student group.[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal#cite_note-17) Jindal was named to the 1992 USA Today (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Today) All-USA Academic Team. He applied to and was accepted by both Harvard Medical School (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Medical_School) and Yale Law School (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale_Law_School), but studied at New College, Oxford (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_College,_Oxford), as a Rhodes Scholar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodes_Scholarship). He received an M.Litt. degree (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Letters) in political science (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_science) with an emphasis in health policy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_policy) from the University of Oxford (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Oxford) in 1994, where the subject of his thesis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis) was "A needs-based approach to health care".[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal#cite_note-ReferenceA-15)"
(My emphasis - more @ the URL. He's spent a lot of his career in health care studies, analysis, admin)
So - Gov. Jindal has to play by the rules, state & federal. If he doesn't like the political facts of life, then he's in the wrong field. He has an excellent content preparation - but the state of LA doesn't dance to his tune. He's only a state executive - he has lots of influence @ the state executive level, but LA isn't just an executive critter. He has to deal with a lot of civilians & other branches of government @ various levels, & companies & agencies with other agendas.
It's too bad, I think he's a bright guy.
Nah, you're not talking rule of law, you're still talking rule of man.
The fact that you thought of that and not me proves otherwise.
It proves you post a lot in the hole.
leekohler2
10-30-2015, 07:35 PM
Except there's another life involved.
I willfully kill sperm on a daily basis. That's life too. Several, actually.
southwest88
10-30-2015, 07:36 PM
Nah, you're not talking rule of law, you're still talking rule of man.
Looking around @ definitions, the term seems to be pretty ambiguous. How do you define it, for our purposes here?
Chris
10-30-2015, 07:36 PM
I willfully kill sperm on a daily basis. That's life too.
Sperm is not another life.
Chris
10-30-2015, 07:37 PM
Looking around @ definitions, the term seems to be pretty ambiguous. How do you define it, for our purposes here?
Already defined it and you quoted me but didn't respond to it.
leekohler2
10-30-2015, 07:44 PM
Sperm is not another life.
It's potential for another life, just like a fertilized egg.
Chris
10-30-2015, 07:46 PM
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I have literally hundreds of research and investigation articles to prove my point. However, your stuck on your ideology and no amount of evidence and research can persuade you otherwise. It's part of your religious beliefs and beliefs such as yours, do not require proof.
Proof? Put it in syllogistic form.
I like how you made up that straw man about me. But you pointed to mere opinion, not evidence or research. And I'm an atheist. Oops.
Common
10-30-2015, 07:46 PM
It's potential for another life, just like a fertilized egg.
I think your wrong here leek, sperm is nothing until it fertilizes something, its nothing just sitting in your hand.
Common
10-30-2015, 07:51 PM
Both sides of abortion make this so contentious because they are both unbending. Besides abortion has been the law of the land for 42 yrs its never been overturned and were still battling over it.
What we should do is "COMPROMISE and work together to get the best result we can. This never ending back and forth hasnt accomplished anything in 42 yrs and theres no reason to believe anything is goiing to change anytime soon
here's a compromise- people that don't like abortions shouldn't have them.
all done
Private Pickle
10-30-2015, 07:54 PM
here's a compromise- people that don't like abortions shouldn't have them.
all done
Don't you know that they must protect the innocent zygotes?!?
Don't you know that they must protect the innocent zygotes?!?
well, they're conservatives and devoted to keeping the govt off your back and out of your bedroom
except when they decide not to, of course
Captain Obvious
10-30-2015, 07:57 PM
here's a compromise- people that don't like abortions shouldn't have them.
all done
So those who oppose capital murder should just not be murdered?
Ethics is fun!
Private Pickle
10-30-2015, 07:58 PM
well, they're conservatives and devoted to keeping the govt off your back and out of your bedroom
except when they decide not to, of course
Especially with abortions, drugs and my favorite....anal....
leekohler2
10-30-2015, 07:58 PM
So you are for the government getting involved with the religious doctrine of marriage? I thought there was to be a separation of church and state?
And I think I will need to see a link showing what all of the candidates are proposing when it comes to National religion?
No offense but you are a liberal and liberals lie.
Oh, and there's this:
HOPE, Ark. – Former governor Mike Huckabee told supporters in his home state of Arkansas yesterday that his first order of business as President of the United States will be to sign an executive order making conversion to Christianity a mandatory requirement for those wanting to obtain citizenship.Mr. Huckabee, one of six Republican candidates currently vying for the 2016 GOP nomination, said he intends to fix what he calls a “dysfunctional” government by promoting strong Christian values beginning in the Oval Office. “I will instruct Congress to vote on ten proposed amendments to the United States Constitution,” Mr. Huckabee said. Each amendment is an elaborated version of one of the Ten Commandments, which, in Mr. Huckabee’s words, will allow the Constitution to “meet God’s standards.”
The former governor said that during his first weeks in office he plans to work closely with congressional leaders in order to draft legislation that will make Creationism a required subject in the nation’s public schools. Additionally Mr. Huckabee will reallocate government grants to fund the construction of five thousand new churches across the country, a move which he says will “redefine America as a beacon of light in a dark world.”
- See more at: http://nationalreport.net/mike-huckabee-vows-wage-war-religion-elected/#sthash.qRsiFUfR.dpuf
So those who oppose capital murder should just not be murdered?
Ethics is fun!
you misspelled stupidity
Captain Obvious
10-30-2015, 08:00 PM
you misspelled stupidity
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southwest88
10-30-2015, 08:00 PM
Originally Posted by Chris http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=1310047#post1310047) Nah, you're not talking rule of law, you're still talking rule of man.
Already defined it and you quoted me but didn't respond to it.
I gave the terms face value. You're saying that's not it.
So what is it?
Chris
10-30-2015, 08:07 PM
Originally Posted by Chris http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=1310047#post1310047) Nah, you're not talking rule of law, you're still talking rule of man.
I gave the terms face value. You're saying that's not it.
So what is it?
Again, it where everyone follows the same rules, from king to knave, politician to citizen, law maker and law follower, no special treatment.
It doesn't mean, as you use it, you must follow the law.
Chris
10-30-2015, 08:08 PM
here's a compromise- people that don't like abortions shouldn't have them.
all done
Nor should they in any way, shape or form have to pay for them.
Period.
leekohler2
10-30-2015, 08:10 PM
Nor should they in any way, shape or form have to pay for them.
Period.
And they don't.
Mister D
10-30-2015, 08:13 PM
So those who oppose capital murder should just not be murdered?
Ethics is fun!
lol I love the reasoning with these people. If you oppose theft then don't steal! problem solved!
Captain Obvious
10-30-2015, 08:14 PM
lol I love the reasoning with these people. If you oppose theft then don't steal! problem solved!
It's the only way abortion can be morally rationalized.
Mister D
10-30-2015, 08:16 PM
It's the only way abortion can be morally rationalized.
As far as abortion is concerned, there is nothing emptier than the ol' I'm a male so I can't pregnant routine. It's a women's issue.
Chris
10-30-2015, 08:20 PM
And they don't.
Not directly, no, but there's Medicaid. Some federal funds go to Medicaid. Otherwise the court would not be set to hear cases of states denying Medicaid funding to PP.
Mister D
10-30-2015, 08:20 PM
Sadly, no one wants to deal with the premises of the opposition honestly. That's what makes these discussion so pointless. It's a matter of personal intellectual failings.
Mister D
10-30-2015, 08:21 PM
Not directly, no, but there's Medicaid. Some federal funds go to Medicaid. Otherwise the court would not be set to hear cases of states denying Medicaid funding to PP.
And don't forget that there are plenty of members here who think the state should pay for them.
leekohler2
10-30-2015, 08:23 PM
Also, there is Rick Santorum:
Santorum wants to impose 'Judeo-Christian Sharia'
Plainly put, Rick Santorum wants to convert our current legal system into one that requires our laws to be in agreement with religious law, not unlike what the Taliban want to do in Afghanistan.
Santorum is not hiding this. The only reason you may not be aware of it is because up until his recent surge in the polls, the media were ignoring him. However, "Santorum Two" was out there telling anyone who would listen.
He told a crowd (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/04/1033313/-Rick-Santorum-explains-Gods-role-in-American-law) at a November campaign stop in Iowa in no uncertain terms, "our civil laws have to comport with a higher law: God's law."
On Thanksgiving Day at an Iowa candidates' forum, (http://www.citizenlink.com/2011/11/19/thanksgiving-family-forum-complete-video/) he reiterated: "We have civil laws, but our civil laws have to comport with the higher law."
Yes, that means exactly what you think it does: Santorum believes that each and every one of our government's laws must match God's law, warning that "as long as there is a discordance between the two, there will be agitation." I'm not exactly sure what "agitation" means in this context, but I think it's a code word for something much worse than acid reflux.
And as an aside, when Santorum says "God," he means "not any god (but) the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob." So, if your god differs from Rick's, your god's views will be ignored, just like the father is on "Keeping Up with the Kardashians."
Some of you might be asking: How far will "Santorum Two" take this? It's not like he's going to base public policy decisions on Bible passages, right?
Well, here's what Santorum had to say (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/santorum-defends-stance-on-same-sex-marriage-we-honor-those-relationships-but-we-dont-call-them-marriage/) just last week when asked about his opposition to gay marriage: "We have Judeo-Christian values that are based on biblical truth. ... And those truths don't change just because people's attitudes may change."
Santorum could not be more unambiguous: His policy decisions will be based on "biblical truths," and as he noted, these "truths" will not change regardless of whether public opinion has evolved since the time the Bible was written thousands of years ago.
Imagine if either of the two Muslim members of Congress declared their support for a proposed American law based on verses from the Quran. The outcry would be deafening, especially from people like Santorum.
One of the great ironies is that Santorum has been a leader in sounding alarm bells that Muslims want to impose Islamic law -- called Sharia law -- upon non-Muslims in America. While Santorum fails to offer even a scintilla of credible evidence to support this claim, he continually warns about the "creeping" (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0511/The_sharia_primary.html)influence of Muslim law.
Santorum's fundamental problem with Sharia law (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/guest-voices/post/santorum-gop-continue-anti-sharia-campaign/2011/03/13/ABQzYEV_blog.html) is that it's "not just a religious code. It is also a governmental code. It happens to be both religious in nature and origin, but it is a civil code."
Consequently, under the Sharia system, the civil laws of the land must comport with God's law. Now, where did I hear about someone wanting to impose only laws that agree with God's law in America?
So, what type of nation might the United States be under Rick Santorum's Sharia law?
1. Rape victims would be forced to give birth to the rapist's child. Santorum has stated (http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/santorum-abortions-only-traumatize-rape-victims/) that his religious beliefs dictate that life begins at conception, and as a result, rape victims would be sentenced to carrying the child of the rapist for nine months.
2. Gay marriages would be annulled. Santorum recently declared (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/45829898#null) that not only does he oppose gay marriages, but he supports a federal constitutional amendment that would ban them, invalidating all previous gay marriages that have legally been sanctioned by states and thus callously destroying marriages and thrusting families into chaos.
3. Santorum would ban all federal funding for birth control and would not oppose any state that wanted to pass laws making birth control illegal.
4. No porn! I'm not kidding. Santorum signed "The Marriage Vow" (http://www.thefamilyleader.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/themarriagevow.final_.7.9.11-1.pdf) pledge (PDF) authored by the Family Leader organization, under which he swears to oppose pornography. I think many would agree that alone should disqualify him from being president.
To me, "Santorum Two" truly poses an existential threat to the separation of church and state, one of the bedrock principles of our nation since its inception. Not only did Thomas Jefferson speak (http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danbury.html) of the need to create "a wall of separation between church and state," so did Santorum's idol, Ronald Reagan, who succinctly stated, "church and state are, and must remain, separate."
While there may be millions of Americans who in their heart agree with the views of "Santorum Two," it is my hope they will reject any attempts to move America closer to a becoming the Afghanistan of the Western Hemisphere.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/05/opinion/obeidallah-santorum-sharia/
Captain Obvious
10-30-2015, 08:24 PM
Sadly, no one wants to deal with the premises of the opposition honestly. That's what makes these discussion so pointless. It's a matter of personal intellectual failings.
That's because the "argument" boils down to "when does life begin" which is why I developed my question.
When sperm meets egg, the ultimate product is life. It's life at that very point but at this juncture a human begins developing. And continues developing until it's natural or otherwise death, so to suggest that - ok, at 6 weeks it's not human but at 6 weeks and one nanosecond bam, human...
Who would argue outside of the abortion debate that human life begins at 6 weeks after conception? Or whatever the time period is, it might not be 6 weeks, the whole thing would be comical except for all the dead children.
Mister D
10-30-2015, 08:25 PM
lol
edit: regarding the Rick Santorum bed shitting by lee.
leekohler2
10-30-2015, 08:25 PM
Not directly, no, but there's Medicaid. Some federal funds go to Medicaid. Otherwise the court would not be set to hear cases of states denying Medicaid funding to PP.
Then we shall see what is decided.
Mister D
10-30-2015, 08:26 PM
That's because the "argument" boils down to "when does life begin" which is why I developed my question.
When sperm meets egg, the ultimate product is life. It's life at that very point but at this juncture a human begins developing. And continues developing until it's natural or otherwise death, so to suggest that - ok, at 6 weeks it's not human but at 6 weeks and one nanosecond bam, human...
Who would argue outside of the abortion debate that human life begins at 6 weeks after conception? Or whatever the time period is, it might not be 6 weeks, the whole thing would be comical except for all the dead children.
Oh, but you're a theocrat don't you see!?
Captain Obvious
10-30-2015, 08:28 PM
Oh, but you're a theocrat don't you see!?
In God we trust
southwest88
10-30-2015, 08:41 PM
Again, it where everyone follows the same rules, from king to knave, politician to citizen, law maker and law follower, no special treatment. It doesn't mean, as you use it, you must follow the law.
In the US system, with legislative, executive & judicial segments - you follow the law. Especially if, as in the case @ hand, Gov. Piyush wants to change state law so that PP no longer can get Medicaid funding. (A strategic mistake on his part in any event, as 90% of the funding in question, as I understand it, is federal funding.)
So, just as Martin Luther King, Jr., abolitionists, suffragettes, Margaret Sanger & many other activists have learned - you either change the laws or suffer under them, until you can convince enough people. If you can't convince enough people, then under our political/governance system, you lose. Or you can build up an organization & carry on to fight the issue another day. Either way, you don't get to pick up the ball (especially when it isn't even your ball to begin with), pout, stamp your feet & go home with it.
& who, in your example above, is getting special treatment?
AeonPax
10-30-2015, 09:08 PM
Go ahead and post some for him.
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There's a saying; "Never teach a pig how sing. It wastes your time and it annoys the pig."
Crepitus
10-30-2015, 09:09 PM
Well our group was discriminated against when the Gay couple would not print a bible verse on a tee shirt? Should they be able to discriminate?
No they most certainly should not. They should face the same penalties anyone else would.
Peter1469
10-30-2015, 09:28 PM
People who don't like guns, shouldn't own them. Problem solved.
Common
10-30-2015, 09:31 PM
Sadly, no one wants to deal with the premises of the opposition honestly. That's what makes these discussion so pointless. It's a matter of personal intellectual failings.
pointless and endless, 42 yrs later still the same ring O round the rosey
Captain Obvious
10-30-2015, 09:34 PM
People who don't like guns, shouldn't own them. Problem solved.
http://i.imgur.com/sypaRLi.gif
Common
10-30-2015, 09:36 PM
And don't forget that there are plenty of members here who think the state should pay for them.
I think with you this question can be asked and get an honest answer, actually its a statement question.
A woman gets pregnant because she neglects to protect herself or demand the male wears protection. She cannot afford to raise a child, she doesnt want the child. She is not allowed to abort the baby becauase the law says so or the law says she must pay for it herself. She cant pay so she has a child she doesnt want, taxpayers pay for all the pre natal care, pay for formula and medicine for her then taxpayers pay for the entire birth and hospital stay and if theres any complications they pay for that too. Now she has the baby, she gets more welfare more food stamps and additional health care for the baby, she gets housing assistance. The kid comes of age and taxpayers pay for their education.
I dunno to me all the screaming about paying for abortions its the dirt cheap way out
hanger4
10-30-2015, 09:41 PM
I think with you this question can be asked and get an honest answer, actually its a statement question.
A woman gets pregnant because she neglects to protect herself or demand the male wears protection. She cannot afford to raise a child, she doesnt want the child. She is not allowed to abort the baby becauase the law says so or the law says she must pay for it herself. She cant pay so she has a child she doesnt want, taxpayers pay for all the pre natal care, pay for formula and medicine for her then taxpayers pay for the entire birth and hospital stay and if theres any complications they pay for that too. Now she has the baby, she gets more welfare more food stamps and additional health care for the baby, she gets housing assistance. The kid comes of age and taxpayers pay for their education.
I dunno to me all the screaming about paying for abortions is the dirt cheap way out
Only you put a price on life. When do we start aborting the old the useless the infirm ?? They too *cost* society.
Common
10-30-2015, 09:44 PM
Only you put a price on life. When do we start aborting the old the useless the infirm ?? They too *cost* society.
Im not putting a price on life I posted real life truth thats all. Everything I posted is factual. I posted about one aspect of the argument over abortion, who pays for them I pointed out that paying for an abortion is by far the cheapest way out for taxpayers.
Theres something your forgetting hanger there is NO arguing abortion, its been legal for 42 yrs and its not going to change anytime soon. So since its here to stay, the question becomes cost how much does it cost.
Tahuyaman
10-30-2015, 09:51 PM
As far as abortion is concerned, there is nothing emptier than the ol' I'm a male so I can't pregnant routine. It's a women's issue.
Hmmm. I've gotten a couple pregnant.
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 09:52 PM
See the OP:
"Governor Bobby (sic) Jindal, a Republican candidate for president, moved to strip the group's funding this summer after the release of secretly recorded videos about how Planned Parenthood handles the tissue of aborted fetuses."
(My emphasis)
The OP quotes an article which infers that Gov. Piyush objects to PP's alleged handling of the tissue of aborted fetuses, not that ACA renders PP's services moot. I think he's on questionable grounds, the action he's objecting to didn't even take place in LA, TMK. But I'm sure the courts will rule on the merits of the case.
My point, we don't need to fund it they can just bill peoples insurance
Nor should they in any way, shape or form have to pay for them.
Period.
and they don't
period
lol I love the reasoning with these people. If you oppose theft then don't steal! problem solved!
except theft is a crime and abortion isn't, no matter how fervently you wish it was.
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 09:54 PM
Marriage in the eyes of the government is a civil contract. Marriage as an institution predates religion. Religion did not create marriage and therefore does not own it. Government does not regulate religious marriages performed in churches in any way. You may be married in any church you like as long as you abide by that church's rules with no government documents, and no government agency will stop you.
Also, many people who are not religious get married every day in this country, and have since it's beginning.
Great we can call all Marriages recognized by the state civil contracts
And which government that pre dates religion created Marriage?????
Problems solved everyone is equal and we did not have to change marriage.
And don't forget that there are plenty of members here who think the state should pay for them.
name them
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 09:57 PM
here's a compromise- people that don't like abortions shouldn't have them.
all done
I have a better compromise, Doctors that preform abortions should be tried for Murder and executed. Problem solved
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 09:58 PM
well, they're conservatives and devoted to keeping the govt off your back and out of your bedroom
except when they decide not to, of course
Correct government should not have the right to kill a child.
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 10:00 PM
Oh, and there's this:
You mean the 10 commandments that are carved into the supreme court, or a different set?
But I would oppose that, and not to worry, The Huckster has NO chance.
I have a better compromise, Doctors that preform abortions should be tried for Murder and executed. Problem solved
i agree
any doctor that *preforms* an abortion should be executed
you're giving the other asshats a bad name
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 10:05 PM
No they most certainly should not. They should face the same penalties anyone else would.
I believe the fine for not baking a cake was 132K We are still working through the courts, but the closed up shop!
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 10:07 PM
I think with you this question can be asked and get an honest answer, actually its a statement question.
A woman gets pregnant because she neglects to protect herself or demand the male wears protection. She cannot afford to raise a child, she doesnt want the child. She is not allowed to abort the baby becauase the law says so or the law says she must pay for it herself. She cant pay so she has a child she doesnt want, taxpayers pay for all the pre natal care, pay for formula and medicine for her then taxpayers pay for the entire birth and hospital stay and if theres any complications they pay for that too. Now she has the baby, she gets more welfare more food stamps and additional health care for the baby, she gets housing assistance. The kid comes of age and taxpayers pay for their education.
I dunno to me all the screaming about paying for abortions its the dirt cheap way out
So anyone that is sentenced to life without parole, we just take them out back of the court house and shoot them in the head, it would be much cheaper?
zelmo1234
10-30-2015, 10:09 PM
Im not putting a price on life I posted real life truth thats all. Everything I posted is factual. I posted about one aspect of the argument over abortion, who pays for them I pointed out that paying for an abortion is by far the cheapest way out for taxpayers.
Theres something your forgetting hanger there is NO arguing abortion, its been legal for 42 yrs and its not going to change anytime soon. So since its here to stay, the question becomes cost how much does it cost.
Or we put the child up for adoption while still in the womb and the new parents don't have to go to China, they pay for the care of the child and it grows up in a loving home.
southwest88
10-30-2015, 10:27 PM
Correct government should not have the right to kill a child.
1. Is it government that performs the abortion?
2. Is it killing?
3. Is it a child?
The Supreme Court held in Roe v. Wade that abortion in the first trimester (or before fetal viability) is not murder. & further that the fetus does not have Constitutional protection.
You're free to argue & persuade voters to adopt your POV. Thus far, the majority seems to prefer to keep abortion legal & available.
Or we put the child up for adoption while still in the womb and the new parents don't have to go to China, they pay for the care of the child and it grows up in a loving home.
how many shall i put you down for?
silvereyes
10-30-2015, 10:43 PM
I have a better compromise, Doctors that preform abortions should be tried for Murder and executed. Problem solved
Let me guess: people that murder said doctors should be martyrized and upheld as heros. Right?
silvereyes
10-30-2015, 10:45 PM
Or we put the child up for adoption while still in the womb and the new parents don't have to go to China, they pay for the care of the child and it grows up in a loving home.
How many will you adopt? Does that include all races?
Private Pickle
10-30-2015, 10:45 PM
I have a better compromise, Doctors that preform abortions should be tried for Murder and executed. Problem solved
Acquitted.... Next...
Crepitus
10-31-2015, 12:13 AM
I believe the fine for not baking a cake was 132K We are still working through the courts, but the closed up shop!
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
pjohns
10-31-2015, 12:37 AM
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"A Louisiana judge issued an order on Thursday blocking attempts to defund Planned Parenthood clinics in the state, finding that more than 5,000 low-income patients would lose access to healthcare including cancer screenings and gynecology exa U.S. District Judge John deGravelles issued a preliminary injunction that requires Louisiana to continue providing Medicaid funding to the reproductive health organization's clinics.
Governor Bobby Jindal, a Republican candidate for president, moved to strip the group's funding this summer after the release of secretly recorded videos about how Planned Parenthood handles the tissue of aborted fetuses. Louisiana was the first of three Southern states to announce plans to end its contract with the organization to provide medical services to low-income residents." - Source (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/30/us-louisiana-plannedparenthood-idUSKCN0SO0F720151030)
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A big win for the women of Louisiana and another roadblock for theocracy.
It is not a roadblock for "theocracy."
Rather, it is a roadblock for democracy.
zelmo1234
10-31-2015, 03:05 AM
how many shall i put you down for?
5
zelmo1234
10-31-2015, 03:09 AM
How many will you adopt? Does that include all races?
Actually when the red head and myself decided that we would hang up our businesses in a few years, we also decided to pass our blessing on to others
I only have one natural born child and she is not able to have children. So we are already working on adopting children, The process is expensive and a nightmare. we think that 5 is a nice number
And no why would I care what color they are? A child is a child. Liberals will likely have those issues racism has always been a plank in the Democratic party, as well as the death of unborn children.
zelmo1234
10-31-2015, 03:11 AM
Let me guess: people that murder said doctors should be martyrized and upheld as heros. Right?
Sarcasm is lost on you. No I don't believe in taking the law into your own hands. I think that when the day comes that they stand before God in judgment will be sufficient
Peter1469
10-31-2015, 03:13 AM
1. Is it government that performs the abortion?
2. Is it killing?
3. Is it a child?
The Supreme Court held in Roe v. Wade that abortion in the first trimester (or before fetal viability) is not murder. & further that the fetus does not have Constitutional protection.
You're free to argue & persuade voters to adopt your POV. Thus far, the majority seems to prefer to keep abortion legal & available.
SCOTUS went further- it said in the first trimester there is no death. If science ever proves when life starts, then we will know when there is a death- i.e. a homicide.
Mac-7
10-31-2015, 03:23 AM
How many will you adopt? Does that include all races?
I see a lot of black children being adopted by whites
but not many white children adopted by blacks
Mac-7
10-31-2015, 03:25 AM
SCOTUS went further- it said in the first trimester there is no death. If science ever proves when life starts, then we will know when there is a death- i.e. a homicide.
A cell that is growing isnt alive?
scientifically life begins at conception
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