Morning Plum: Republicans shoot themselves in foot with Latinos, again

[AeonPax]

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"Republicans are pulling out of their only scheduled debate that would be aired on a Spanish-language TV network. So Democrats may respond by holding a second gathering aired on one.

The Spanish-language network Telemundo is in talks with the Democratic National Committee about possibly scheduling a new candidate forum with the Dem presidential candidates, after the Republican National Committee canceled its debate on NBC News and the NBC-owned Telemundo to protest CNBC’s handling of last week’s gathering, sources familiar with ongoing discussions tell me.

If this comes to fruition, Democrats would effectively be moving into the breach created by the RNC’s decision. It would mean Democrats end up holding two debate-style events on Spanish-language networks, since they are already set to hold a Univision debate in March. - Source"

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Big tactical error by the GOP.

[Common]

Plus the RNC whining and crying over the Debate moderators and pulling out of the next NBC debate has backfired, its being viewed more negatively than positively.

[Matty]

Plus the RNC whining and crying over the Debate moderators and pulling out of the next NBC debate has backfired, its being viewed more negatively than positively.



Among liberals. Shocking.

[Kurmugeon]

You are assuming that ALL American Hispanics, particularly those with the LEGAL right to vote in our elections....

You are assuming that they hold some sort of automatic solidarity with Foreign born Hispanics, and Illegal Immigration, simply because a common language and skin tone.

You are WRONG!

My Wife and two Daughters are Hispanic, speak the language(Spanglish), are Catholics, and have a familial oriented Hispanic Culture... and they absolutely hate the Illegal Immigration! They are far, far from the only people in America who are Hispanic in Heritage, but want nothing more than to see the damn border sealed!

My estimate is that around 45% of American Born Hispanics feel this way, and as the economy gets worse, and jobs are harder to find, more and more American Born Hispanics will join them.

Additionally, intermarriage in the Southwest, between Anglos and Hispanics is more common than not. When they see their Husbands, Brothers, Fathers, Sons and Grandsons denied education and jobs, based solely on their skin color, it makes them madder than hornets.

There is no wrath like that of a Hispanic Grand Mother, just told her little Babies don't qualify for a school advanced education program, on account of their being too White!

The Racism of the Democratic Party will come full circle, and when the reckoning comes, it will be harsh.

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[silvereyes]

Among liberals. Shocking.

Just as i suspected...your sole reason for being here is to swoop and poop on liberals.

Shocking. Not so much.

[AeonPax]

Just as i suspected...your sole reason for being here is to swoop and poop on liberals. Shocking. Not so much.
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Yeah....considering the article and topic never mentioned ideology. Weird.

It was a big error on the Republicans part to pull out of the Telemundo debate based on a temper tantrum. They just handed the Democrats a nest egg of available national air time.

[JDubya]

The Repugs know that they don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting a significant portion of the Hispanic vote no matter what they do.

They could all toss sombreros in front of their podiums and do the Mexican Hat Dance around them and it would make no difference whatsoever.

They're probably figuring why should they even bother.

[Kurmugeon]

The Repugs know that they don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting a significant portion of the Hispanic vote no matter what they do.

They could all toss sombreros in front of their podiums and do the Mexican Hat Dance around them and it would make no difference whatsoever.

They're probably figuring why should they even bother.

Wrong again!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-gains-traction-among-hispanic-voters-with-aggressive-outreach-campaigns/2014/11/05/dcbe20ec-6520-11e4-9fdc-d43b053ecb4d_story.html



Latinos identified less with the Democratic Party and a growing share identified with Republicans,” said Mark Hugo Lopez, director of Hispanic Research at the Pew Research Center (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pewresearch.org%2F&ei=1Z5aVJKgB8SryAT4tYDwBA&usg=AFQjCNHZTT6m_EmmSEL3KclvKmuhs1Yy2Q&sig2=XvSLnuNAlAzvne66nhssgQ&bvm=bv.78677474,d.aWw). He said the results suggest that, with the right candidate, Republicans could shave Democrats’ advantage with Hispanics and put states that Obama won back into play.


http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Texas-Latino-vote-splits-5876952.php



Republicans make inroads into Democratic cornerstone By Kevin Diaz (http://www.houstonchronicle.com/author/kevin-diaz/)
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A sign shows the way to the poll Tuesday in Austin. Democrats say they should have done a better job mobilizing the Latino vote. Republicans point to Governor-elect Greg Abbott's strong Latino support.

WASHINGTON - The battle for Latino voters, a coveted prize of Texas politics, was fought to a virtual standstill in this week's midterm elections.
While Hispanics across the nation voted Democrat by a 2-1 margin on Tuesday, Republicans saw some promising trends, particularly in Texas, where Democrats have made Latinos a cornerstone of their strategy to turn the state "Blue."


Republican U.S. Sen. John Cornyn made a statement by winning 48 percent of the Latino vote, besting his Democratic opponent, David Alameel, who got 47 percent, according to exit polls.
Cornyn campaign manager Brendan Steinhauser, who made minority outreach a centerpiece of Cornyn's heavily favored re-election campaign, called the achievement "unprecedented."
In the state's only competitive congressional race, a heavily Hispanic district between San Antonio and El Paso, Republican challenger Will Hurd narrowly beat Democratic incumbent Pete Gallego.
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http://hotair.com/archives/2014/11/06/exit-polls-show-all-demographics-shifted-to-gop-after-2012/



With most of the results of the midterm elections now counted and confirmed (with a few notable exceptions in Alaska and Virginia), we can now take a look at the exit polls (http://hotair.com/archives/2014/11/04/election-day-reminder-early-exit-polls-are-meaningless/) and see what they actually mean. Before and during the election, plenty of speculation arose as to the composition of the turnout and which demographics may have contributed more to Republican success. The Washington Post looked at a comparison between 2012 and 2014 and discovered that all demographics shifted toward the GOP (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/11/05/the-2014-electorate-wasnt-just-older-and-whiter-than-2012-it-also-voted-more-republican/), especially Asian-American voters:
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[silvereyes]

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Yeah....considering the article and topic never mentioned ideology. Weird.

It was a big error on the Republicans part to pull out of the Telemundo debate based on a temper tantrum. They just handed the Democrats a nest egg of available national air time.

I know. Shes just here to s&p.

[Kurmugeon]

This Gallup Poll: http://www.gallup.com/poll/1660/immigration.aspx

Shows that Two out of Three American Born Hispanics believe that Obama's actions to allow more Illegal Immigration is wrong and will hurt them.

In other words, the Hispanics who are LEGAL to vote in American Elections are super majority against Illegal Immigration.

Only when counting the Illegal Immigrants, do the polls show a Majority of Hispanics favor Illegal Immigration.

Furthermore, other studies have shown than by the 2nd generation of American Born, the children of Illegals are also against further Illegal Immigration.

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[silvereyes]

Has anyone denied that?

[Chris]

Are two Rep hopefuls Hispanic?

[nic34]

On the Prospects of a Blue Arizona

This post summarizes a recent publication from the journal Politics of Groups and Identities, the full article can be read here (http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/21565503.2015.1050417#.Vdsyq_lViko).

The Republican Party’s path to 270 Electoral Votes has become increasingly narrow. With formerly Republican states like Virginia, North Carolina, and Colorado now up for grabs, Republican presidential candidates must win virtually every remaining swing state. Because the Democrats have managed to put so many states in play, Republicans’ national-level chances hinge on preventing any more solidly Republican states from becoming competitive. Many contend that solidly Republican Arizona is poised to become a swing state in upcoming elections.


http://www.latinodecisions.com/blog/2015/08/27/on-the-prospects-of-a-blue-arizona/

[JDubya]

Wrong again!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-gains-traction-among-hispanic-voters-with-aggressive-outreach-campaigns/2014/11/05/dcbe20ec-6520-11e4-9fdc-d43b053ecb4d_story.html

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Texas-Latino-vote-splits-5876952.php

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/11/06/exit-polls-show-all-demographics-shifted-to-gop-after-2012/

So lessee....

From your quoted sources...

"....Hispanics across the nation voted Democrat by a 2-1 margin on Tuesday, Republicans saw some promising trends, ..."

"...a growing share identified with Republicans,...”

"....with the right candidate, Republicans could shave Democrats’ advantage with Hispanics..."

"Promising trends", " a growing share", "with the right candidate", " could shave advantage".....

Yeah, right. That language really indicates a landslide shift in party loyalty.

[Matty]

Just as i suspected...your sole reason for being here is to swoop and poop on liberals.

Shocking. Not so much.




Wait a second. Is the word liberals forbidden? I mean the word conservatives is tossed around every day all day. Is that what you are here for? Censorship? For your edification I was responding to Common's claim that the move by the GOP was seen negatively. If you aren't interested in a two way conversation all you have to do is indicate as much.

[Kurmugeon]

So lessee....
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Yeah, right. That language really indicates a landslide shift in party loyalty.



Not a Landslide shift... which I never claimed... a slow, steady, trans-generation erosion.

The data clearly shows that the grand children of the Illegals Obama is bringing into the country will vote for Republicans and Conservatives by a slight majority.

And by that time, the current Native Born Hispanics will be a solid, super majority vote for Conservatives.

Catholics and Hispanics are Natural Conservatives. They also intermarry with Whites at very high levels. Nobody likes to see their spouse and children under go racial discrimination and denial.

But if you don't want to believe... FINE! :)

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[Matty]

Are two Rep hopefuls Hispanic?


Yes they are. Is the word liberal forbidden on this forum?

[Chris]

So the Reps have 2 Hispanics, 1Black and 1woman running. And the Dems have, what, 4, 5 white guys? Oh, wait, is Hillary a woman?

[silvereyes]

Wait a second. Is the word liberals forbidden? I mean the word conservatives is tossed around every day all day. Is that what you are here for? Censorship? For your edification I was responding to Common's claim that the move by the GOP was seen negatively. If you aren't interested in a two way conversation all you have to do is indicate as much.

Lol. Leave it to the swoop and pooper to glean that out of what i specifically said. You were in NO WAY in this for a two way conversation. You swooped into this thread, left your poop and swooped out. Period. If you dont like being called on it...then dont do it.

Bless yer heart.

[Mac-7]

hispanics who vote republocan speak English and.do not depend on the La Cucaracha Channel for their information.

[silvereyes]

So the Reps have 2 Hispanics, 1Black and 1woman running. And the Dems have, what, 4, 5 white guys? Oh, wait, is Hillary a woman?
Depends on what day it is and what Bill wants. ;)

[Matty]

So the Reps have 2 Hispanics, 1Black and 1woman running. And the Dems have, what, 4, 5 white guys? Oh, wait, is Hillary a woman?

And one Indian.

[Matty]

Republicans are the party of diversity.

[silvereyes]

Yes they are. Is the word liberal forbidden on this forum?

Not at all. Swooping and pooping is also, apparently, allowed.

[Matty]

Lol. Leave it to the swoop and pooper to glean that out of what i specifically said. You were in NO WAY in this for a two way conversation. You swooped into this thread, left your poop and swooped out. Period. If you dont like being called on it...then dont do it.

Bless yer heart.

Find someone else to fight with. As far as I can figure out the word liberal has not been banned from this forum so until it is you will just have to continue with your poop and scoop mantra.

[silvereyes]

Find someone else to fight with. As far as I can figure out the word liberal has not been banned from this forum so until it is you will just have to continue with your poop and scoop mantra.

Well, since I never said it was...your reply was STILL a swoop and poop. Common never mentioned liberals but you swooped and pooped about them.

[Kurmugeon]

And one Indian.

I think he sees himself as more of a Cajun and American, but either way, I really wish that Bobby Jindal was doing better, I really like the guy.

http://2016.republican-candidates.org/Jindal/

The Republicans really are the 2016 party of diversity, and more importantly, racial EQUALITY... without a need for Racial Pandering Preferences!

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[Matty]

Well, since I never said it was...your reply was STILL a swoop and poop. Common never mentioned liberals but you swooped and pooped about them.


Look up the word context then put it there. It might help your understanding immensely.

[Matty]

I think he sees himself as more of a Cajun and American, but either way, I really wish that Bobby Jindal was doing better, I really like the guy.

http://2016.republican-candidates.org/Jindal/

The Republicans really are the 2016 party of diversity, and more importantly, racial EQUALITY... without a need for Racial Pandering Preferences!

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It's been said he is the most intelligent person in the race. I do hope they end up picking one of the governors. So that's either Huckabee, Jindal or Bush. Rubio and Cruz are both good too.

[silvereyes]

Look up the word context then put it there. It might help your understanding immensely.

No need. You were quick to swoop and poop about only liberals. All he said was the whining and crying backfired.

[silvereyes]

I think he sees himself as more of a Cajun and American, but either way, I really wish that Bobby Jindal was doing better, I really like the guy.

http://2016.republican-candidates.org/Jindal/

The Republicans really are the 2016 party of diversity, and more importantly, racial EQUALITY... without a need for Racial Pandering Preferences!

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Jindal is a very decent guy.

[Kurmugeon]

It's been said he is the most intelligent person in the race. I do hope they end up picking one of the governors. So that's either Huckabee, Jindal or Bush. Rubio and Cruz are both good too.

Trump-Cruz for the win.

I like both Rubio and Jindal, and Huckabee is a great spokes man, but Cruz would bring advice to Trump that is needed and is a very solid pick for a replacement President, should some wacko "Liberal" get violent. (Ummmbersss! I used the forbidden "L" word!)

Remember, as hated as Obama is, no one has even tried to kill him.

President Ronald Reagan was shot.

Conservatives are self-disciplined, Lefties are often violent.

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[Matty]

No need. You were quick to swoop and poop about only liberals. All he said was the whining and crying backfired.


I will iswoop and poop on liberals with glee now that I know it irritates you. Context. Common mentioned the RNC. So you are mistaken in your faux indignation.

[Matty]

Trump-Cruz for the win.

I like both Rubio and Jindal, and Huckabee is a great spokes man, but Cruz would bring advice to Trump that is needed and is a very solid pick for a replacement President, should some wacko "Liberal" get violent. (Ummmbersss! I used the forbidden "L" word!)

Remember, as hated as Obama is, no one has even tried to kill him.

President Ronald Reagan was shot.

Conservatives are self-disciplined, Lefties are often violent.

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Liberals are quite touchy around here.

[Kurmugeon]

Jindal is a very decent guy.

Almost too decent to make it high in American politics. Trump is Blunt, Nasty and Crude, but often, it is needed.

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[Mac-7]

Trump-Cruz for the win.


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I'm thinking the same thing.

[AeonPax]

I know. Shes just here to s&p.
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It seems to be a chronic problem with this forum...the "disruptive." Thankfully I no longer come here to engage in serious discussions. For that, there's reddit. Fun and games here.

[silvereyes]

I will iswoop and poop on liberals with glee now that I know it irritates you. Context. Common mentioned the RNC. So you are mistaken in your faux indignation.
Oh honeypie, you are sadly mistaken. Irritates me? Dont flatter yourself. All your swooping and pooping has only solidified my thoughts about you and your significance here. You are nothing more than a female Mac. THAT alone says volumes about you. Volumes.

So, by all means, keep swooping and pooping, sugarpuss.

[domer76]

I'm thinking the same thing.

Trump/Cruz?

Now THAT'S funny and I don't care who you are!

[silvereyes]

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It seems to be a chronic problem with this forum...the "disruptive." Thankfully I no longer come here to engage in serious discussions. For that, there's reddit. Fun and games here.
Shes a female Mac. All sputter and drool.

[silvereyes]

Almost too decent to make it high in American politics. Trump is Blunt, Nasty and Crude, but often, it is needed.

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Except that he cant turn it off and thats essential.

[AeonPax]

You are assuming that ALL American Hispanics, particularly those with the LEGAL right to vote in our elections....You are assuming that they hold some sort of automatic solidarity with Foreign born Hispanics, and Illegal Immigration, simply because a common language and skin toneYou are WRONG!My Wife and two Daughters are Hispanic, speak the language(Spanglish), are Catholics, and have a familial oriented Hispanic Culture... and they absolutely hate the Illegal Immigration! They are far, far from the only people in America who are Hispanic in Heritage, but want nothing more than to see the damn border sealed! My estimate is that around 45% of American Born Hispanics feel this way, and as the economy gets worse, and jobs are harder to find, more and more American Born Hispanics will join them.Additionally, intermarriage in the Southwest, between Anglos and Hispanics is more common than not. When they see their Husbands, Brothers, Fathers, Sons and Grandsons denied education and jobs, based solely on their skin color, it makes them madder than hornets.There is no wrath like that of a Hispanic Grand Mother, just told her little Babies don't qualify for a school advanced education program, on account of their being too White!The Racism of the Democratic Party will come full circle, and when the reckoning comes, it will be harsh.-
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Are you saying your are ignorant of what the topic here or are you trying to disrupt this thread. Did you even read the article beyond the first three sentences I posted here? Are you so naive as to think those three sentences represent the entire article? Finally, what the hell does your reply here have anything to do with the topic?

I know you and the rest of the posters here did not read the entire article because I forgot to supply the hyperlink. You do not want to know what I think of fools who comment about a thing they never read.

[silvereyes]

Liberals are quite touchy around here.

Nah, just tired of drooling swooping and pooping.

[Tricia]

Wow, Twenty-Sixteen, your karma is very high for only having been here a month. I'm impressed!

[zelmo1234]

I think that people will be surprised at the vote turnout and the percentage change.

What is bad for the country is bad for the Hispanics that live in the country, They are suffering along with the other low skilled workers in this country.

The jobs are not there and they are not coming back in the sectors that have better paying jobs.

People vote their pocket book they always have, the only matter that is different is if people have given up. If the populations believes that there is no hope for a better tomorrow, then the Democrats with the promise of free stuff will maintain the lead in minority voting.

[Matty]

Oh honeypie, you are sadly mistaken. Irritates me? Dont flatter yourself. All your swooping and pooping has only solidified my thoughts about you and your significance here. You are nothing more than a female Mac. THAT alone says volumes about you. Volumes.

So, by all means, keep swooping and pooping, sugarpuss.


I am not nasty. Never have been. Why do you have to be? Every thing you post is venom. If the word liberal sets you off there's something really wrong.

[Matty]

Wow, @Twenty-Sixteen (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1776), your karma is very high for only having been here a month. I'm impressed!


Thank You. I try to get along. But I messed up and said " liberal."

[AeonPax]

I think that people will be surprised at the vote turnout and the percentage change.What is bad for the country is bad for the Hispanics that live in the country, They are suffering along with the other low skilled workers in this country.The jobs are not there and they are not coming back in the sectors that have better paying jobs.People vote their pocket book they always have, the only matter that is different is if people have given up. If the populations believes that there is no hope for a better tomorrow, then the Democrats with the promise of free stuff will maintain the lead in minority voting.
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And this has what to do with the posted topic? I'll give you the answer; NOTHING.

[silvereyes]

Wow, Twenty-Sixteen, your karma is very high for only having been here a month. I'm impressed!
Sniff, sniff. I smell cheating. Cheaters are pathetic. Really pathetic. And low. And sad, bitter tiny minded people.

[silvereyes]

I am not nasty. Never have been. Why do you have to be? Every thing you post is venom. If the word liberal sets you off there's something really wrong.
Lmao. More passive, aggressive crapola from Female Mac.

Pa. Thet. Ic.

[Kurmugeon]

Except that he cant turn it off and thats essential.

Trump is not ideal, he's the best of the bunch. He'll learn. Cruz will be a very good guide.

[silvereyes]

Thank You. I try to get along. But I messed up and said " liberal."

Yah, thats how you did it. BwahahahahaBwahahahaha!

[silvereyes]

Trump is not ideal, he's the best of the bunch. He'll learn. Cruz will be a very good guide.
Itll never happen. Sorry, but it wont.

[Kurmugeon]

Thank You. I try to get along. But I messed up and said " liberal."

I post on many political forums, always using this avatar and user id, so I get confused on different forums stats.

Thanks/Likes Given and Received I understand.

What the heck is karma, and how does it change?

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[zelmo1234]

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And this has what to do with the posted topic? I'll give you the answer; NOTHING.

OK the posted topic was Hispanic vote and the fact that the Republicans have decided not to let the NBC affiliates make a mockery of out system again.

The Hispanic vote I think is on topic. Or is anyone that might have an Opinion that is not like yours to be silenced?

[Peter1469]

Lmao. More passive, aggressive crapola from Female Mac.

Pa. Thet. Ic.

Warning: Please don’t call members names.

[Kurmugeon]

Itll never happen. Sorry, but it wont.

If the Republicans are ignorant enough to allow the Dems to bring their massive Illegal Immigrant voter fraud machine to bear on the primary, to give U.S. the idiot Jeb.... like they brought U.S. McCain.... Well, things will get interesting.

I think the America People have had enough of massive voter fraud.

I think that in 2016, much more attention will be paid to inconsistencies between polling about the election, and results in varied districts, and other voting irregularities.

I suspect that 2017 will be full of trials and sentencing for voter fraud.

Remember, an Illegal Immigrant who votes, rarely votes just once!
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[Mac-7]

I post on many political forums, always using this avatar and user id, so I get confused on different forums stats.

Thanks/Likes Given and Received I understand.

What the heck is karma, and how does it change?

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Karma is a word that libs learned from the hindus

it means "can I bring the rest of my village to America too so I will feel at home?"

[Tricia]

I post on many political forums, always using this avatar and user id, so I get confused on different forums stats.

Thanks/Likes Given and Received I understand.

What the heck is karma, and how does it change?

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To give someone karma, you hit the star under their post.

[silvereyes]

Warning: Please don’t call members names.

which one...pathetic or female mac?


TB for ignoring warning and questioning moderation.

[Kurmugeon]

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Are you saying your are ignorant of what the topic here or are you trying to disrupt this thread. Did you even read the article beyond the first three sentences I posted here? Are you so naive as to think those three sentences represent the entire article? Finally, what the hell does your reply here have anything to do with the topic?

I know you and the rest of the posters here did not read the entire article because I forgot to supply the hyperlink. You do not want to know what I think of fools who comment about a thing they never read.


OK the posted topic was Hispanic vote and the fact that the Republicans have decided not to let the NBC affiliates make a mockery of out system again.

The Hispanic vote I think is on topic. Or is anyone that might have an Opinion that is not like yours to be silenced?

Yeah, I kinda like what Zelmo had to say about the OP subject.

And please don't bunch all my words into an unreadable massive wall of text. If you're going to quote me, quote me. Or make ellipsis for the missing parts of the quote, and underline the most important parts.

I take pride in the easy to read formatting of my posts.

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[Kurmugeon]

To give someone karma, you hit the star under their post.

Oh, Okay, Thanks! :)

[AeonPax]

OK the posted topic was Hispanic vote and the fact that the Republicans have decided not to let the NBC affiliates make a mockery of out system again. The Hispanic vote I think is on topic. Or is anyone that might have an Opinion that is not like yours to be silenced?
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Wrong. It's about "tactics." Read the article; https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/11/02/morning-plum-republicans-shoot-themselves-in-foot-with-latinos-again/ It's all about the campaign tactics the GOP candidates have enforced. So naturally, the party obliged. However, that came at a cost as the Democrats immediately contacted Telemundo to fill in that national time spot which was reserved for the Republicans. Then, in March, the Democrats again get another national time spot on Telemundo.

Giving the Democrats an early and basically free shot on TV, is not a good strategy.

[Matty]

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Wrong. It's about "tactics." Read the article; https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/11/02/morning-plum-republicans-shoot-themselves-in-foot-with-latinos-again/ It's all about the campaign tactics the GOP candidates what enforced. So naturally, the party obliged. However, that came at a cost as the Democrats immediately contacted Telemundo to fill in that national time spot which was reserved for the Republicans. Then, in March, the Democrats again get another national time spot on Telemundo.

Giving the Democrats an early and basically free shot on TV, is not a good strategy.


What is the complaint? According to you the Democrats have won an advantage. I say I don't blame the Republicans for pulling out. I cannot for the life of me figure out why the Democrats won't come on Fox.

[AeonPax]

Yeah, I kinda like what Zelmo had to say about the OP subject. And please don't bunch all my words into an unreadable massive wall of text. If you're going to quote me, quote me. Or make ellipsis for the missing parts of the quote, and underline the most important parts. I take pride in the easy to read formatting of my posts. -
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Obvious, you also don't know how hyperlinks works nor the validity of commenting on an article.....that you never read. I can't help you there.

[silvereyes]

What is the complaint? According to you the Democrats have won an advantage. I say I don't blame the Republicans for pulling out. I cannot for the life of me figure out why the Democrats won't come on Fox.
Why does the cobra not seek out the mongoose? Playing dumb?

[Kurmugeon]

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Wrong. It's about "tactics." Read the article; https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/11/02/morning-plum-republicans-shoot-themselves-in-foot-with-latinos-again/ It's all about the campaign tactics the GOP candidates have enforced. So naturally, the party obliged. However, that came at a cost as the Democrats immediately contacted Telemundo to fill in that national time spot which was reserved for the Republicans. Then, in March, the Democrats again get another national time spot on Telemundo.

Giving the Democrats an early and basically free shot on TV, is not a good strategy.

After watching them ignore the best man on the stage in the first Democratic debate, Webb, and Hillary and Sanders quibble, sneer and make outlandish promises...

I think the Republicans figure just give them more rope and they'll....

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Bernie made Hillary look like a fool at the First Debate. And Bernie ALWAYS makes himself a fool...





Never Argue with fools, bystanders might not note the difference.

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[Kurmugeon]

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Obvious, you also don't know how hyperlinks works nor the validity of commenting on an article.....that you never read. I can't help you there.

I know better than to click on links provided by Lefties.

I have other ways, since I work as an IT professional.

But I find it curious that you're so damn insistent that I click on your link?

And how would you know, if I had or had not?

Something smells bad...

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[Crepitus]

I know better than to click on links provided by Lefties.

I have other ways, since I work as an IT professional.

But I find it curious that you're so damn insistent that I click on your link?

And how would you know, if I had or had not?

Something smells bad...

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LMAO!! Paranoid much? Afraid the "lefties" are gonna getcha?

[silvereyes]

LMAO!! Paranoid much? Afraid the "lefties" are gonna getcha?

We are sneaky, dincha know?

[Kurmugeon]

LMAO!! Paranoid much? Afraid the "lefties" are gonna getcha?

I've learned from experience.

And I know how the Lefties think. I used to be one.

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The Thief is always on guard against theft. He knows.

BTW, if you own an old cell phone, and use the firefox browser, you can use the firefox->Tools->PageInfo to get a URL, windows live messenger pop it, and open it from the web browser of an old tech, $30 from ebay, wifi only, used Droid cell phone, and then use the USB mass transfer mode to pull the entire web page contents and code into an Isolated partition of a hard drive, and view a web site, and analyze all of the java script under it, offline.

Factory reset the droid after.

I am very good at both HTML and Javascript.

So, If I find a virus, malware, or spyware in a link provided on this forum's threads, who do I contact?

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[Peter1469]

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Yeah....considering the article and topic never mentioned ideology. Weird.

It was a big error on the Republicans part to pull out of the Telemundo debate based on a temper tantrum. They just handed the Democrats a nest egg of available national air time.

Agree. Dumb move.

[Matty]

Agree. Dumb move.


Why?

[Crepitus]

I've learned from experience.

And I know how the Lefties think. I used to be one.

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The Thief is always on guard against theft. He knows.

BTW, if you own an old cell phone, and use the firefox browser, you can use the firefox->Tools->PageInfo to get a URL, windows live messenger pop it, and open it from the web browser of an old tech, $30 from ebay, wifi only, used Droid cell phone, and then use the USB mass transfer mode to pull the entire web page contents and code into an Isolated partition of a hard drive, and view a web site, and analyze all of the java script under it, offline.

Factory reset the droid after.

I am very good at both HTML and Javascript.

So, If I find a virus, malware, or spyware in a link provided on this forum's threads, who do I contact?

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So, a blanket accusation that everyone on the left is a thief?

Classy. The more you post the less likable you get.

[Kurmugeon]

So, a blanket accusation that everyone on the left is a thief?

Classy. The more you post the less likable you get.

Not everyone, any more than every person from Somalia is a Radical Muslim Terrorist.... the percentage is just allot higher.

And I was using the Thief as analogy. Politically Vindictive Hackers using malware, spyware, and viruses is what was being discussed, or had you conveniently forgotten.

Then there was the little clue... the OP stated that she KNEW I hadn't clicked on the OP link... See post #65 this thread.

Well, I hadn't, at least not from the computer used to post on the forum. But there is no reason, short of a packet sniffer, or someone in the admin of the Forum, giving her my MAC ID / IP address, and having a communications path to those presenting the links web site, for her to KNOW I had not visited the web site.

Well.... I'm not Naive.

When you are on a Conservative Forum, you might get MAC id blocked from visiting, if you make too many Conservative Critical comments, but you don't get targeted viruses.

On Liberal Oriented Forums, notably HotWire, you get MAC ID or IP address targeted attacks often.

I've had virus problems from links from this forum in the past. The OP poster was a poster at the time. I noted all of the names. In time, you connect the dots. And you learn to not take chances with viruses.

As I said, I am an IT professional. I even teach at a college level the subject. I often save the files, downloaded by different systems, to demonstrate to my students, how the attacks can be selective, and the downloaded files will actually differ, by the MAC ID / IP address used.

Crytolockers teach you to make lots of backups, and be cautious.

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[Peter1469]

Why?

Getting their ideas out in that forum could help them.

[Kurmugeon]

Getting their ideas out in that forum could help them.

IMHO, Outreach to Hispanics for a likely positive reception of a Conservative message, is best approached through Catholic oriented Bible Study Web sites.

The people you would reach on that forum, are likely to be hostile and moderator lead to greater hostility.

You need a Neutral Ground to set forth a Conservative Message.

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[Matty]

Getting their ideas out in that forum could help them.


That would depend on the moderators and the questions. To my mind they would be better served using smaller menus.


i meant venues.

[Peter1469]

That would depend on the moderators and the questions. To my mind they would be better served using smaller menus.

Probably.

I understand the anti-media / debate position, but that was the last of the stations I would have backed out of.

[zelmo1234]

Why does the cobra not seek out the mongoose? Playing dumb?

I agree so why in the world after the stupidity show by CNBC would the republicans give them another shot.

[zelmo1234]

Getting their ideas out in that forum could help them.

If they could get there ideas out.

More likely than not most of the questions from NBC would be So why is it that you hate Hispanics. Is it true that you want to kill all illegals.

The MSM can't be trusted. If Telemundo wants to get the real information for their viewers, they will find a way, if they just want to toss bombs like CNBC, then it is not worth it

[Kurmugeon]

I agree so why in the world after the stupidity show by CNBC would the republicans give them another shot.

Yeah... that's kinda like a wilde Turkey strutting before guys who've fired shotguns at it minutes earlier, five days before Thanks Giving.

Wilde Turkeys are canny.

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[Kurmugeon]

If they could get there ideas out.

More likely than not most of the questions from NBC would be So why is it that you hate Hispanics. Is it true that you want to kill all illegals.

The MSM can't be trusted. If Telemundo wants to get the real information for their viewers, they will find a way, if they just want to toss bombs like CNBC, then it is not worth it

And I believe that someone else already made the point, the Hispanics likely to be receptive to a Conservative message, don't watch Telemundo, they watch English language TV.

Most LEGAL to vote in American Election Hispanics, watch English Language TV.

Those Hispanics inside the borders of America, who watch Telemundo are likely to be Illegals, and completely hostile to any Conservative message, particularly in this cycle with Trump and the Obama Amnesty being election issues.

Conservatives will NEVER get the Illegal Immigrant Vote, and should not even consider trying.

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[Kurmugeon]

The whole point is, not all Hispanics are the same, they have factions and subgroups within the over arching racial group, just like Anglos.

The Conservatives/Republicans should carefully study the factions and subgroups, and concentrate their message on:

1] People who are LEGAL to vote
2] People who are Likely to vote
3] People who are not now voting Republican, but are not completely hostile to their message
4] People who are inherently Conservative by nature.

The approachable group of Hispanics, are those who are English speakers, though often also know Spanglish, Catholic, 2nd+ generation Americans of all ages, but particularly 35+, living in the Southwest, and have large families.

And the Republicans should understand the Matriarchal nature of Spanish Culture when it comes to Familial and Economic issues.

Spanish culture divides decision making power by gender most commonly. Some areas are the province of the men, and some are determined by the women.

Defense of the home is an example of an area exclusively decision made by the men. The women will aid in a home's defense, but the preparations and decisions are made by the men, for that issue.

Spanish Grand Mothers are the community spokespeople, and the decision makers, for voting types of issues, for each extended family. And they are clever and tough old birds!

BTW, the Grand Mothers will never Claim to be in control, but if you cross them, you'll learn.
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