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Green Arrow
11-11-2015, 12:15 AM
And before Republicans start the inevitable whining, no, the Democratic field this time around isn't any better and there will probably be a thread from me after the next DNC debate about how crappy their field is.

I don't see a whole lot of commentators, analysts, or candidates on either side offering actually honest analysis of the candidates on the GOP side. So, I'm going to take a moment before bed to offer that honest analysis.

Only one candidate on the GOP side is proposing actual spending cuts, and that is Rand Paul. All of the candidates say they want to cut spending, but then out of the other side of their mouths talk about raising spending on things like the military, which is highly unnecessary. We already spend too much as it is, the problem is that we're spending it wrong and there is a ridiculous amount of waste. You can't cut spending in some areas and raise it in others and still say you're cutting spending. It's a wash.

Only one candidate on the GOP side would actually have a balanced budget, and that is Rand Paul. Part of that is because of the aforementioned spending issue, but it's also because of their tax plans.

Only one candidate on the GOP side would approach foreign affairs with a rational, reasonable, and realistic mindset, one that is neither interventionist nor isolationist, but a balance of both: non-interventionism. That is Rand Paul.

Only one candidate on the GOP side would do anything substantive to address our economic crisis, which starts with the Federal Reserve and its insane practices. That is Rand Paul.

Only three candidates on the GOP side have a rational approach to immigration, legal or otherwise. They are Rand Paul, John Kasich, and Marco Rubio (even if he won't admit it publicly because that would tank his rapid rise to the top).

Only two candidates on the GOP side are consistent in their policy proposals and ideas regardless of what kind of crowd they are speaking to. They are Rand Paul and John Kasich.

Only one candidate on the GOP side has a rational approach to the "War on Drugs." That is Rand Paul.

Let's be honest. The GOP has not given us a very good selection of candidates this cycle. We have three first-term U.S. senators, one of whom has missed more votes in the senate than anyone else in congress, one that alienated every single member of congress and can't get a single thing done because of it, and one that consistently stands up for us and our rights even at great personal cost.

We have seven current and former governors. One is a bully from New Jersey. One bankrupted education in his state and has spent more time trying to become president than governing his state. One actually brought his state into an economic renaissance and is immensely popular. One wants to get the government off your back unless you're pregnant, gay, or like weed. Two of them nobody even knows their names (George Pataki and Jim Gilmore). And the last one is a washed-up retread dynasty brat whose father only got a rare single term as president and whose brother drove America so deep into the crapper that he got a black guy with a circus clown for a running mate elected. That takes some skill.

We have two long-serving current and former senators running. One is a rabid interventionist who never saw a war or military intervention he didn't like. The other can't make up his mind what he believes, but one thing he's consistent on is government must intervene to save us from gays, porn, and abortion.

We have a businesswoman who got fired from her company after jettisoning 30,000 employees, aiding the NSA spying programs by handing over HP servers, and using a foreign shell company to sell technology to Iran so her company could profit without technically violating U.S. sanctions.

We have a businessman who is frankly such a destructive egomaniac that he never should have been allowed to run, let alone remain a strong front-runner right up into the primaries in three months. He has no substantive policy positions, he just keeps reassuring us that he has a great plan and we're going to love it.

Finally, we have a doctor who has no experience whatsoever in any sort of politics, but we're still supposed to trust that he knows how to handle the unique pressures of the office.

I mean, honestly, the Democratic field isn't much better, but this is absurd. Far and away the best candidates the GOP has to offer are John Kasich and Rand Paul, because the two of them have the smartest and most rational policies on the issues, and Rand Paul's edge Kasich's out mostly because Rand is strong on foreign policy and Kasich is just as weak as the rest there.

At this point, buckle up, America. It's going to be a very bumpy 4-8 year ride.

ThaiBoxer
11-11-2015, 12:19 AM
Feel the BERN!

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61ywRV7pr5L._SX425_.jpg

jimmyz
11-11-2015, 12:22 AM
I feel the Arnold Palmer double going down well

Peter1469
11-11-2015, 08:44 AM
Rand is my pick so far as the GOP goes. They will probably pick a milk toast again and miss out of tens of thousands of votes.

The dems don't have any talent- except Bernie. But his policies would push the economy over the edge of the cliff. At least he has the courage of his convictions.

In general, I don't see the republican candidates as weak- as in unqualified. But, except for Rand, they will contribute to the destruction of the American economy, not try to prevent it.

Common Sense
11-11-2015, 08:48 AM
Rand is the only one that doesn't come off as a complete idiot and an embarrassment.

Peter1469
11-11-2015, 09:49 AM
Rand is the only one that doesn't come off as a complete idiot and an embarrassment.

Disagree. His is the only one that isn't largely status quo. But most aren't bad as the status quo.

The Xl
11-11-2015, 10:04 AM
As someone who's been very critical of him in the past, and Arrow can vouch for that, Rand is the only one who isn't a complete joke and embarrassment.

Common Sense
11-11-2015, 10:38 AM
Disagree. His is the only one that isn't largely status quo. But most aren't bad as the status quo.

Come on, it's a bit of a clown show up there. Trump and Carson being the biggest clowns. If I was a conservative, I would be embarrassed.

Chris
11-11-2015, 10:51 AM
Come on, it's a bit of a clown show up there. Trump and Carson being the biggest clowns. If I was a conservative, I would be embarrassed.

What does it mean to say a politician is a clown? I mean, other than you don't like him.

Matty
11-11-2015, 10:54 AM
What does it mean to say a politician is a clown? I mean, other than you don't like him.


It is the democrat meme for this year. They all say it in lemming land.

Matty
11-11-2015, 10:57 AM
An example


http://www.salon.com/2015/10/14/democratic_debate_puts_gop_clown_show_to_shame_mak es_the_republican_debate_look_like_the_real_kids_t able/

Peter1469
11-11-2015, 11:39 AM
Come on, it's a bit of a clown show up there. Trump and Carson being the biggest clowns. If I was a conservative, I would be embarrassed.

Trump isn't a conservative. Carson is religious right (not my conservative). I don't have anything to be embarrassed about either of them.

jimmyz
11-11-2015, 02:54 PM
As someone who's been very critical of him in the past, and Arrow can vouch for that, Rand is the only one who isn't a complete joke and embarrassment.

I was impressed with him. His delivery rings with a sound of honesty. I wish they gave him more questions and time.

The Xl
11-11-2015, 02:55 PM
I was impressed with him. His delivery rings with a sound of honesty. I wish they gave him more questions and time.

The GOP has no interest in a small government conservative who might dent the Fed, the military industrial complex, and the other nefarious interests that openly run the GOP.

jimmyz
11-11-2015, 03:56 PM
The GOP has no interest in a small government conservative who might dent the Fed, the military industrial complex, and the other nefarious interests that openly run the GOP.

Never the DNC? Come on man.

The Xl
11-11-2015, 04:02 PM
Never the DNC? Come on man.

They own them too.

Matty
11-14-2015, 09:33 AM
Now is not a good time to put a weakling dove in the WH. Nix on Rand.