For those of you who plan to vote mainstream in 2016

[donttread]

Do you think any mainstream candidate will
1) Reduce spending?
2) Reduce debt?
3) Reduce war?
4) Increase respect for state's right's?
5) Reign in the NSA's massive spy campaign?
6) Make real changes to the tax code?
7) Bring manufacturing back ?
8) Deal with illegal immigration in any meaningful way?
9) Truly improve lower and middle class standard of living?
10) Truly improve our reputation on the world stage

11) If you cannot honestly answer yes to a good share of these questions why are you still planning to vote mainstream?

[zelmo1234]

You are exactly correct. Only one party has candidates that are not part of the mainstream political process.

And it still remains to be seen if they can win the nomination

[midcan5]

1. Yes, President Obama did.
2. Yes, President Obama did.
3. Yes, President Obama did.
4. No, 'State rights' are a dog whistle
5. No, bipartisan paranoia
6. Maybe.
7. Only Americans can do that, buy American
8. 'Meaningful' is too vague
9. Again, if Americans supported each other, yes
10. Our reputation is fine

One has to be pragmatic and not unrealistic.

[zelmo1234]

1. Yes, President Obama did.
2. Yes, President Obama did.
3. Yes, President Obama did.
4. No, 'State rights' are a dog whistle
5. No, bipartisan paranoia
6. Maybe.
7. Only Americans can do that, buy American
8. 'Meaningful' is too vague
9. Again, if Americans supported each other, yes
10. Our reputation is fine

One has to be pragmatic and not unrealistic.

Well the first 2 are outright lies. but the left is willing to do that. We have had the top 7 largest deficits in the nations history in 7 years and President Obama has doubled the national debt of all other presidents combined.

And Liberals will lie to your face and tell you other wise. I did not get past the first 2 there is no truth in this person and thus they should not be trusted.

[Peter1469]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by midcan5 http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=1325266#post1325266)
1. Yes, President Obama did. Incorrect
2. Yes, President Obama did. Incorrect
3. Yes, President Obama did. Incorrect
4. No, 'State rights' are a dog whistle Incorrect. Read the constitution then respond.
5. No, bipartisan paranoia
6. Maybe.
7. Only Americans can do that, buy American
8. 'Meaningful' is too vague
9. Again, if Americans supported each other, yes
10. Our reputation is fine

One has to be pragmatic and not unrealistic.



Well the first 2 are outright lies. but the left is willing to do that. We have had the top 7 largest deficits in the nations history in 7 years and President Obama has doubled the national debt of all other presidents combined.

And Liberals will lie to your face and tell you other wise. I did not get past the first 2 there is no truth in this person and thus they should not be trusted.

Our public education gave us these people who don't understand our nation.

I think it was done on purpose. How about you?

[zelmo1234]

Absolutely. The left infiltrated education in the late 60's and have owned it since the early 80's

Conservatives have started to move back into the system but in most cases they have to fake being liberal until they achieve Tenure. So it will be 20 more years before it starts to swing back.

[Peter1469]

Absolutely. The left infiltrated education in the late 60's and have owned it since the early 80's

Conservatives have started to move back into the system but in most cases they have to fake being liberal until they achieve Tenure. So it will be 20 more years before it starts to swing back.

At least the younger generations have not totally bought into their liberal poison.

[suds00]

this election may signal a new paradigm.

[Subdermal]

1. Yes, President Obama did.
2. Yes, President Obama did.
3. Yes, President Obama did.
4. No, 'State rights' are a dog whistle
5. No, bipartisan paranoia
6. Maybe.
7. Only Americans can do that, buy American
8. 'Meaningful' is too vague
9. Again, if Americans supported each other, yes
10. Our reputation is fine

One has to be pragmatic and not unrealistic.

That level of ignorance of reality is inexcusable, midcan. You should be fully ashamed of yourself - but you're not.

[Peter1469]

this election may signal a new paradigm.

I hope so. It would be great if we had a real fiscal conservative run as an independent.

[Subdermal]

I hope so. It would be great if we had a real fiscal conservative run as an independent.

I would be more great if a real fiscal conservative could actually win.

[Peter1469]

I would be more great if a real fiscal conservative could actually win.

True. But the citizens have the right to kill their own nation and economy. And they are happily doing that.

Prepare (http://www.campingsurvival.com). I lost my faith in my fellow citizens. Public school.... :shocked:

[Mac-7]

I hope so. It would be great if we had a real fiscal conservative run as an independent.

That would ensure a win for hillary

Better to find the most fiscally conservative republican and help that candidate win.

[Bob]

Do you think any mainstream candidate will
1) Reduce spending?
2) Reduce debt?
3) Reduce war?
4) Increase respect for state's right's?
5) Reign in the NSA's massive spy campaign?
6) Make real changes to the tax code?
7) Bring manufacturing back ?
8) Deal with illegal immigration in any meaningful way?
9) Truly improve lower and middle class standard of living?
10) Truly improve our reputation on the world stage

11) If you cannot honestly answer yes to a good share of these questions why are you still planning to vote mainstream?

People won't vote for the other people in sufficient numbers.

We will get either the D party or the R party.

The R party at least wants to solve those problems.

[Bob]

I would be more great if a real fiscal conservative could actually win.

Blame the audience and not the actors on the stage. So long as the two parties get the approval, nothing will get more fiscally sound nor will the Feds stop poking it's nose into states issues.

[donttread]

You are exactly correct. Only one party has candidates that are not part of the mainstream political process.

And it still remains to be seen if they can win the nomination

What party would that be?

[donttread]

1. Yes, President Obama did.
2. Yes, President Obama did.
3. Yes, President Obama did.
4. No, 'State rights' are a dog whistle
5. No, bipartisan paranoia
6. Maybe.
7. Only Americans can do that, buy American
8. 'Meaningful' is too vague
9. Again, if Americans supported each other, yes
10. Our reputation is fine

One has to be pragmatic and not unrealistic.

You're wrong

[donttread]

That would ensure a win for hillary

Better to find the most fiscally conservative republican and help that candidate win.

That's Rand Paul. Any of the rest of them can and will spend and borrow dollar for dollar with any democrat

[Bob]

That's Rand Paul. Any of the rest of them can and will spend and borrow dollar for dollar with any democrat

For crying out loud, just show proof. Persuade us with proof.

[donttread]

People won't vote for the other people in sufficient numbers.

We will get either the D party or the R party.

The R party at least wants to solve those problems.

No they merely claim to want to solve those problems.
I sit here today and promise you 4-8 more years of Bushbama if mainstream Donkephants get voted in

[Common Sense]

For crying out loud, just show proof. Persuade us with proof.

Well there's some irony...

[Chris]

No they merely claim to want to solve those problems.
I sit here today and promise you 4-8 more years of Bushbama if mainstream Donkephants get voted in

The government create problems, it doesn't solve them.

[donttread]

For crying out loud, just show proof. Persuade us with proof.

Guess who's spending and debt records Obama broke? Bush's. Bush also furthered the federal intrusion into education with the monumental failure "every child left behind" . There's your proof. Second biggest spender and indebtor in our history was a neo-con

[Bob]

No they merely claim to want to solve those problems.
I sit here today and promise you 4-8 more years of Bushbama if mainstream Donkephants get voted in

I know you believe what you claim. I am more used to proof. At my age of 77, what you claim simply does not stack up.

[donttread]

I know you believe what you claim. I am more used to proof. At my age of 77, what you claim simply does not stack up.

The Bush years are my proof. Real world evidence vs. rhetoric

[Bob]

Guess who's spending and debt records Obama broke? Bush's. Bush also furthered the federal intrusion into education with the monumental failure "every child left behind" . There's your proof. Second biggest spender and indebtor in our history was a neo-con

Believe me, behind Bush spending was Democrats. And what you call the Bush record has been topped by Obama by a four to one ratio.

This is not even in the same league as Obama.

Bush did not get elected as a neocon. He left office as still not a neocon.

The school issue happened by Bush to help children. You must break some eggs to make omelettes.

[Bob]

The Bush years are my proof. Real world evidence vs. rhetoric

Obama topped Bush by four to one. Not even in the same ball park. (spending)

[donttread]

Believe me, behind Bush spending was Democrats. And what you call the Bush record has been topped by Obama by a four to one ratio.

This is not even in the same league as Obama.

Bush did not get elected as a neocon. He left office as still not a neocon.

The school issue happened by Bush to help children. You must break some eggs to make omelettes.

Bob your hopeless, you will defend whatever the repubs do . You are part of the problem. But you are too smart for that

[Tahuyaman]

Do you think any mainstream candidate will
1) Reduce spending?
2) Reduce debt?
3) Reduce war?
4) Increase respect for state's right's?
5) Reign in the NSA's massive spy campaign?
6) Make real changes to the tax code?
7) Bring manufacturing back ?
8) Deal with illegal immigration in any meaningful way?
9) Truly improve lower and middle class standard of living?
10) Truly improve our reputation on the world stage

11) If you cannot honestly answer yes to a good share of these questions why are you still planning to vote mainstream?

which presidential candidate meets your approval ? Is there one?

[Cigar]

Do you think any mainstream candidate will
1) Reduce spending?
2) Reduce debt?
3) Reduce war?
4) Increase respect for state's right's?
5) Reign in the NSA's massive spy campaign?
6) Make real changes to the tax code?
7) Bring manufacturing back ?
8) Deal with illegal immigration in any meaningful way?
9) Truly improve lower and middle class standard of living?
10) Truly improve our reputation on the world stage

11) If you cannot honestly answer yes to a good share of these questions why are you still planning to vote mainstream?


So are we really worried about spending?

Well let's see ... take what Trump is proposing with deporting 11 Million people.

You'd need a fleet 3x the size of Grayhound
You's need a Law Enforcement 4x the size of the NYPD

... so let me guess, all these Government Workers will work for free and no benifits and all the equipment donated? :laugh:

[Bob]

Bob your hopeless, you will defend whatever the repubs do . You are part of the problem. But you are too smart for that

I used to be a loyal Democrat. I believe I know the difference in the two parties.

Think of it this way. Your way has never won office as president. Has no concrete policies in force nor will it.

I have to work with what I have been handed to deal with.

[Peter1469]

That would ensure a win for hillary

Better to find the most fiscally conservative republican and help that candidate win.

I don't have control over the tools in the GOP leadership.


I do not owe them anything. Why does that frighten you?

[Mac-7]

So are we really worried about spending?

Well let's see ... take what Trump is proposing with deporting 11 Million people.

You'd need a fleet 3x the size of Grayhound
You's need a Law Enforcement 4x the size of the NYPD

... so let me guess, all these Government Workers will work for free and no benifits and all the equipment donated? :laugh:

No republican wants to do away with all government.

Certainly none of the presidential contenders or most repub base voters.

But we could fire 25% of civilian federal workers and put those savings into border enforcement.

[Mac-7]

I don't have control over the tools in the GOP leadership.


I do not owe them anything. Why does that frighten you?

I'm not going to let you help elect far left democrats like obumer and hillary and then blame republicans for not being conservative enough.

libs like you are part of the problem

[Cthulhu]

For crying out loud, just show proof. Persuade us with proof.
The trend line of history should serve as proof.

Sent from my evil, baby seal-clubbing cellphone.

[donttread]

I used to be a loyal Democrat. I believe I know the difference in the two parties.

Think of it this way. Your way has never won office as president. Has no concrete policies in force nor will it.

I have to work with what I have been handed to deal with.

But your way has failed and is unsustainable

[Bob]

But your way has failed and is unsustainable

What is your way?

[nic34]

What is your way?

Filibuster.....

[Ransom]

Filibuster.....

That word you once referred to as the Party of No.

Shoe on the other foot you thus expose your true colors. :wink:

Next.

[donttread]

What is your way?

If you mean what is your way, interventionism of course

[Peter1469]

I'm not going to let you help elect far left democrats like obumer and hillary and then blame republicans for not being conservative enough.

libs like you are part of the problem

My vote is not for sale. I will only vote for someone I believe in. You can do as you will.

[donttread]

I'm not going to let you help elect far left democrats like obumer and hillary and then blame republicans for not being conservative enough.

libs like you are part of the problem

The Donkephant force is strong with this one.

[Peter1469]

The Donkephant force is strong with this one.

Would useless tool be accurate?

[Subdermal]

My vote is not for sale. I will only vote for someone I believe in. You can do as you will.

I believe in Ted Cruz. I believe he is the best choice.

[Mac-7]

Would useless tool be accurate?

With un-liberals like peter and donttread as the opposition to the democrst party America is doomed to one party rule by the democrsts

[Mac-7]

I believe in Ted Cruz. I believe he is the best choice.

Trump, cruz, carson in that order.

None of those three are washington republican establishment.

[Common]

My vote is not for sale. I will only vote for someone I believe in. You can do as you will.

mac cant possibly understand, the term standing by your convictions

[Mac-7]

mac cant possibly understand, the term standing by your convictions

But i do

By voting for 3rd party losers that have no chance to defeat the democrats peter is throwing his vote away and he actually stands for nothing.

But he does get to take the easy way out of never being held responsible for any problems of the country caused by his wasted vote.

[Peter1469]

With un-liberals like peter and donttread as the opposition to the democrst party America is doomed to one party rule by the democrsts

Maybe a conservative party will pop up.

[Peter1469]

But i do

By voting for 3rd party losers that have no chance to defeat the democrats peter is throwing his vote away and he actually stands for nothing.

But he does get to take the easy way out of never being held responsible for any problems of the country caused by his wasted vote.

Continuing to support a party that continues to betray you doesn't seem like a good idea either.

[donttread]

With un-liberals like peter and donttread as the opposition to the democrst party America is doomed to one party rule by the democrsts


How does that differ from your supposed "two party rule"?

[Chris]

mac cant possibly understand, the term standing by your convictions


But i do

By voting for 3rd party losers that have no chance to defeat the democrats peter is throwing his vote away and he actually stands for nothing.

But he does get to take the easy way out of never being held responsible for any problems of the country caused by his wasted vote.


^^Party over principle.

[Mac-7]

Continuing to support a party that continues to betray you doesn't seem like a good idea either.

No party provides 100% satisfaction to every voter

you have an unrealistic expection of what is or osnt possible in a society as divided as ours

[Chris]

mac cant possibly understand, the term standing by your convictions


No party provides 100% satisfaction to every voter

you have an unrealistic expection of what is or osnt possible in a society as divided as ours

The country is pretty well united in dissatisfaction with what the donkephant is doing.

http://i.snag.gy/AwIKU.jpg

[texan]

Do you think any mainstream candidate will
1) Reduce spending? No
2) Reduce debt? No
3) Reduce war? No (don't think they can at this time)
4) Increase respect for state's right's? Only chance is a republican but not likely
5) Reign in the NSA's massive spy campaign? Don't want it reigned in at this time.
6) Make real changes to the tax code? No
7) Bring manufacturing back ? Only chance is a republican
8) Deal with illegal immigration in any meaningful way? No the parties will not compromise
9) Truly improve lower and middle class standard of living? Republicans will improve the economy
10) Truly improve our reputation on the world stage. Only a republican can (maybe Hillary she isn't as hard headed as Obama and his left wingers are in this area)

11) If you cannot honestly answer yes to a good share of these questions why are you still planning to vote mainstream? I would say you are defining mainstream much differently than most people since it is an opinion. What is your definition?

[donttread]

No party provides 100% satisfaction to every voter

you have an unrealistic expection of what is or osnt possible in a society as divided as ours

Not true , in my youth I attended many parties that provide 100% satisfaction!

[Mac-7]

The country is pretty well united in dissatisfaction with what the donkephant is doing.

http://i.snag.gy/AwIKU.jpg

Yes and no.

Base republicans want less government and arent getting it from the washington establishment while base democrats expect far more government than the democrats are winning for them.

[Bob]

Were there this so called donkeyphant, the ACA would have had support from republicans.

Were there a donkeyphant, Nancy and Harry would never have blocked out all republicans.

This myth belongs on the same shelf with the alleged neo con myth.

[Chris]

Yes and no.

Base republicans want less government and arent getting it from the washington establishment while base democrats expect far more government than the democrats are winning for them.

Tea Parties want less government as opposed to your establishment Reps who want more.

[Mac-7]

Tea Parties want less government as opposed to your establishment Reps who want more.

Thats what I just said.

the elected republicans are out of step with the voters

[Chris]

Were there this so called donkeyphant, the ACA would have had support from republicans.

Were there a donkeyphant, Nancy and Harry would never have blocked out all republicans.

This myth belongs on the same shelf with the alleged neo con myth.


^^Doesn't get Donkephant.

http://i.snag.gy/Zx47f.jpg


"A neoconservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality." ~Irving Kristol, Godfather of Neoconservatism

[Chris]

Thats what I just said.

the elected republicans are out of step with the voters

Well, you don't admit your an establish Rep, one who want big government at home (Progressive protection policies) and abroad (interventionism).

[Matty]

Thats what I just said.

the elected republicans are out of step with the voters


That dosen't mean you should get crazy and elect the democrat Trump.

[Peter1469]

Were there this so called donkeyphant, the ACA would have had support from republicans.

Were there a donkeyphant, Nancy and Harry would never have blocked out all republicans.

This myth belongs on the same shelf with the alleged neo con myth.

The Dems are driving the economy over the cliff at 100 mph

The GOP at 60 mph.

The details don't mean much.

[Chris]

The Dems are driving the economy over the cliff at 100 mph

The GOP at 60 mph.

The details don't mean much.

And the brakes are gone on each clown car.

[Mac-7]

Well, you don't admit your an establish Rep, one who want big government at home (Progressive protection policies) and abroad (interventionism).

That was a little incoherent.

But i think what you want is a designer government that looks exactly like you and that will never happen

[Bob]

^^Party over principle.

Not actually.

It is called facing up to reality.

While there are various splinter parties, none ... not a one... is in a position of favorable rankings with the public.

When you realize you will be controlled by either the republicans ore democrats, then you can stop helping democrats and try to change republicans from the inside. Outsiders can't change any of the parties.

Nobody is making changes to the Democrats but some of us have changed the republican party.

Ed voted for Ross Perot on principle. I voted for GHW Bush. Ed and others handed the election to Clinton. Ed by the way is a Republican.

[Bob]

And the brakes are gone on each clown car.

You don't vote.

[Mac-7]

That dosen't mean you should get crazy and elect the democrat Trump.

You vote for your choice and I'll vote for mine.

Trump has the right attitude on immigration, trade and now terrorism.

If he stumbles there are other good candidates but the Trumpster is my first choice right now.

[Mac-7]

You don't vote.

Correct.

Chris just sneers are people who do vote.

[Mac-7]

Not actually.

It is called facing up to reality.

While there are various splinter parties, none ... not a one... is in a position of favorable rankings with the public.

When you realize you will be controlled by either the republicans ore democrats, then you can stop helping democrats and try to change republicans from the inside. Outsiders can't change any of the parties.

Nobody is making changes to the Democrats but some of us have changed the republican party.

Ed voted for Ross Perot on principle. I voted for GHW Bush. Ed and others handed the election to Clinton. Ed by the way is a Republican.

Great post, Bob.

I would thank you but the lib software wont let me.

[Bob]

The Dems are driving the economy over the cliff at 100 mph

The GOP at 60 mph.

The details don't mean much.

And no other party is even on the same road. And they have no power.

I elect to work on republicans. They listen. The Democrats are a retread of the same FDR failed policies that led us to such enormous public debts.

I still blame those not supporting republicans for not putting down the foot on reputlicans since they know very well Democrats will never in a million years change.

If you allow in Democrats, you earned the government you live with.

The public loves high taxes on the rich. This is a major problem and brands the public thieves. This is well written of in the literature. When the public gets for free that which it ought to pay for, they don't care about the cost.

It is not the parties a problem so much as the people who were trained by Democrats to think they get government for free.

[Matty]

Correct.

Chris just sneers are people who do vote.


That's his right, right? You just told me up there you got to vote for your choice. What? He gets no choice?

[Chris]

Well, you don't admit your an establish Rep, one who wants big government at home (Progressive protection policies) and abroad (interventionism).


That was a little incoherent.

But i think what you want is a designer government that looks exactly like you and that will never happen

Want wanted an s.

I'm an anarchist, I don' want any public government, only private.

Nor will your designer Rep government ever happen. It will always be corrupt.

[Chris]

You don't vote.

Applause, one right.

[Chris]

Correct.

Chris just sneers are people who do vote.


Because you by voting sanction and support a corrupt system.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk

[Mac-7]

That's his right, right? You just told me up there you got to vote for your choice. What? He gets no choice?

We cant make chris do his civic duty if he cant make up his mind

[Matty]

Ha! They're shouting on The Five Again. They are better than we are.

[Chris]

Not actually.

It is called facing up to reality.

While there are various splinter parties, none ... not a one... is in a position of favorable rankings with the public.

When you realize you will be controlled by either the republicans ore democrats, then you can stop helping democrats and try to change republicans from the inside. Outsiders can't change any of the parties.

Nobody is making changes to the Democrats but some of us have changed the republican party.

Ed voted for Ross Perot on principle. I voted for GHW Bush. Ed and others handed the election to Clinton. Ed by the way is a Republican.



Sorry, just not interested in your version of reality.

[Matty]

We cant make chris do his civic duty if he cant make up his mind


I have news for you. If Trump is on the ballot I am not voting either. I refuse to vote for a democrat.

[Bob]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Bob http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=1331056#post1331056)
Not actually.

It is called facing up to reality.

While there are various splinter parties, none ... not a one... is in a position of favorable rankings with the public.

When you realize you will be controlled by either the republicans ore democrats, then you can stop helping democrats and try to change republicans from the inside. Outsiders can't change any of the parties.

Nobody is making changes to the Democrats but some of us have changed the republican party.

Ed voted for Ross Perot on principle. I voted for GHW Bush. Ed and others handed the election to Clinton. Ed by the way is a Republican.


Great post, Bob.

I would thank you but the lib software wont let me.

I really can't blame the younger posters posting all that much. I too was loyal to Democrats until around 1980. I was by then 42 and still believed what Democrats told me.

It was a major shock to the system. Some of these posters will find out you and I are correct in perhaps 20 more years. When they look back and say we are right, they may not recall we trying to let them know how it really works. They still live in ideology so to speak.

I told Ed my buddy over and over not to vote for Ross Perot that he was handing the election to Clinton. Ed told me later he regrets voting for the other party.

[Peter1469]

And no other party is even on the same road. And they have no power.

I elect to work on republicans. They listen. The Democrats are a retread of the same FDR failed policies that led us to such enormous public debts.

I still blame those not supporting republicans for not putting down the foot on reputlicans since they know very well Democrats will never in a million years change.

If you allow in Democrats, you earned the government you live with.

The public loves high taxes on the rich. This is a major problem and brands the public thieves. This is well written of in the literature. When the public gets for free that which it ought to pay for, they don't care about the cost.

It is not the parties a problem so much as the people who were trained by Democrats to think they get government for free.

Pack a parachute, buddy. The GOP is going to take you over the fiscal cliff.

[Bob]

I have news for you. If Trump is on the ballot I am not voting either. I refuse to vote for a democrat.

I am in shock so many back Trump.

[Matty]

I am in shock so many back Trump.


You just need to go dig up his history. He's a democrat spoiler.

[Bob]

Pack a parachute, buddy. The GOP is going to take you over the fiscal cliff.

I do not agree since they are not in power. We need some more Senators plus the President then you will find out the real truth.

[Bob]

You just need to go dig up his history. He's a democrat spoiler.

We have time to get a Governor in office.

[Bob]

Pack a parachute, buddy. The GOP is going to take you over the fiscal cliff.

Over the cliff with Democrats and you get no parachute.

[Bob]

Sorry, just not interested in your version of reality.

I have seen this system operate and studied it for far longer than you have lived. You may learn in twenty more years ... or not.

[Bob]

Applause, one right.

You are a spectator whereas I am a player.

[Mac-7]

I have news for you. If Trump is on the ballot I am not voting either. I refuse to vote for a democrat.

I guess you have someone in mind that you like.

If so I bet you'll expect everyone to vote for your preference if he wins the nomination.

Its really stupid if the republican voters insist on their 1/16th candidate or no one.

But that seems to be where many un-Democrsts are these days.

[Matty]

I guess you have someone in mind that you like.

If so I bet you'll expect everyone to vote for your preference if he wins the nomination.

Its really stupid if the republican voters insist on their 1/16th candidate or no one.

But that seems to be where many un-Democrsts are these days.




You know what turned me off about Trump? He went around calling all the members of the party he wants to represent idiots, the captured McCain a loser. I will never vote for him. He can stow it.

[Bob]

I listen to Trump trying to hear what his followers like. I just don't know.

There is a term for Trump that fits. Talks in glittering generalities.

Much the way Obama did to be elected.

[Chris]

We cant make chris do his civic duty if he cant make up his mind

There's no obligation to vote, mac. Talk sense if you're going to talk.

Anyone notice how the donkephants are trying to change the topic?

[Mac-7]

You know what turned me off about Trump? He went around calling all the members of the party he wants to represent idiots, the captured McCain a loser. I will never vote for him. He can stow it.

If you dont like trump one reason is as good as another.

But I want a tough guy who steps on a few toes.

Because he has to defeat hillary, the democrats, and the republican rinos in congress before he can deal with the islamo wackos.

and I think he can

[Chris]

You just need to go dig up his history. He's a democrat spoiler.

In bed with the Clintons.

[texan]

The Dems are driving the economy over the cliff at 100 mph

The GOP at 60 mph.

The details don't mean much.

They do to me, I would rather travel at 60 MPH to give more time to correct this issue. This has basically been my point each week. The republican policies will deliver more jobs and growth. Give me that first.

[Chris]

If you dont like trump one reason is as good as another.

But I want a tough guy who steps on a few toes.

Because he has to defeat hillary, the democrats, and the republican rinos in congress before he can deal with the islamo wackos.

and I think he can

So bottom line it's all about winning.

Sounds like cigar.

[Peter1469]

They do to me, I would rather travel at 60 MPH to give more time to correct this issue. This has basically been my point each week. The republican policies will deliver more jobs and growth. Give me that first.

Collapse is the result of each model.

[Chris]

They do to me, I would rather travel at 60 MPH to give more time to correct this issue. This has basically been my point each week. The republican policies will deliver more jobs and growth. Give me that first.

When using reverse would be appropriate?

[ThaiBoxer]

Handing the White House back to the Republicans would be the dumbest thing ever considering they are the ones who ruined our economy in the first place. Bernie Sanders is the only one who will stick to the bankers on Wall Street who screwed everything up, but it looks like the fix is in for Hillary Clinton. Better get used to Bill and Hillary moving back in.

[Captain Obvious]

Handing the White House back to the Republicans would be the dumbest thing ever considering they are the ones who ruined our economy in the first place. Bernie Sanders is the only one who will stick to the bankers on Wall Street who screwed everything up, but it looks like the fix is in for Hillary Clinton. Better get used to Bill and Hillary moving back in.

So, does Hillary get her carpet munched by some intern dude in the Oval Office this time around?

[Peter1469]

Handing the White House back to the Republicans would be the dumbest thing ever considering they are the ones who ruined our economy in the first place. Bernie Sanders is the only one who will stick to the bankers on Wall Street who screwed everything up, but it looks like the fix is in for Hillary Clinton. Better get used to Bill and Hillary moving back in.

Hillary will be indicted by that time.

[ThaiBoxer]

Hillary will be indicted by that time.

:laugh: Nothing is going to happen to Hillary. Get used to saying President Clinton again.

[Mac-7]

So bottom line it's all about winning.

Sounds like cigar.

Did anyone ever get what they want by losing?

Trump has to win before he can do anything.

Hes not built to sit an the sidelines and just bellyache like you are.