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donttread
11-15-2015, 11:12 AM
Take all the time, money and energy invested in the presidential campaign and focus it on local and state offices and congress? I know that the one draw back is that during presidential election years is the only time the sheep become vaguely aware that there is a choice "C" and "D". But perhaps we need to change that at the micro level first.
From a realistic perspective it would be more practical for LP's, Greenies and the like to interject themselves from the bottom up. It would be an especially good move for the LP as states seem to be awakening to the fact that the feds have usurped most of their rights.
I would be willing to volenteer time for local third party candidates.
Also what about the idea of third parties, while maintaining their autonomy , band together for certain purposes like media campaigns that highlight the Donkephants collective failure.
Thoughts?

Mac-7
11-15-2015, 11:22 AM
So the riders don't like the route the bus is taking

But their solution is to build a new bus rather than learning to drive the one we already have

I hope the lefty wackos go 3rd party

but conservatives should follow the Tea Party example and change the GOP from within

Peter1469
11-15-2015, 11:32 AM
The sheep will stay asleep and unconsciously pull either (D) or (R) with no thought.

Green Arrow
11-15-2015, 01:21 PM
That is a strategy I have advocated since I left the two major parties in 2009.

Common
11-15-2015, 06:42 PM
The sheep will stay asleep and unconsciously pull either (D) or (R) with no thought.

Whats the alternative right now Pete, not voting? Last time I checked there was no one else to vote for.

Peter1469
11-15-2015, 06:48 PM
Whats the alternative right now Pete, not voting? Last time I checked there was no one else to vote for.

What good does it do to vote for a bad canadidate?

We need to take our republic back.

Mister D
11-15-2015, 06:49 PM
The GOP can be changed from within but that will require the drones to be just as critical of their own party's agenda as they are of the Democrat's. That said, that's problematic in political terms. Group think on the left is mighty strong and, while embarrassing on an individual level, it's politically advantageous. It's a dilemma.

Common
11-15-2015, 06:51 PM
What good does it do to vote for a bad canadidate?

We need to take our republic back.


So the only alternative is not to vote at all

Green Arrow
11-15-2015, 07:06 PM
So the only alternative is not to vote at all

No, it's to vote for third parties.

Why do people always default to not voting?

Green Arrow
11-15-2015, 07:09 PM
The GOP can be changed from within but that will require the drones to be just as critical of their own party's agenda as they are of the Democrat's. That said, that's problematic in political terms. Group think on the left is mighty strong and, while embarrassing on an individual level, it's politically advantageous. It's a dilemma.

The GOP is certainly a lot easier to change from within, but part of the problem is there are faux conservatives like Ted Cruz that are taking control of the change movement within the party, and that's not going to get anywhere.

On the other side, part of the problem is most of today's "left" doesn't even hold classical leftist philosophy anymore. It's pretty sad when you hold to classical leftist philosophy and modern leftists call you a conservative. *sigh*

Mister D
11-15-2015, 07:18 PM
The GOP is certainly a lot easier to change from within, but part of the problem is there are faux conservatives like Ted Cruz that are taking control of the change movement within the party, and that's not going to get anywhere.

On the other side, part of the problem is most of today's "left" doesn't even hold classical leftist philosophy anymore. It's pretty sad when you hold to classical leftist philosophy and modern leftists call you a conservative. *sigh*

IMO, the problem with neoconservatives is that they embrace elements of a more traditional conservatism along with a free market ideology. Reconciling the two is problematic to say the least. The emphasis on the economic dimension of our lives results in constant change for the sake of commerce.

I think Peter described it well when he said that the contemporary left is merely an alliance of various "victimized" groups.

PolWatch
11-15-2015, 07:40 PM
IMO, the problem with neoconservatives is that they embrace elements of a more traditional conservatism along with a free market ideology. Reconciling the two is problematic to say the least. The emphasis on the economic dimension of our lives results in constant change for the sake of commerce.

I think Peter described it well when he said that the contemporary left is merely an alliance of various "victimized" groups.

ah, but that implies that right is different....what about the complaints of anti-Christian, mistreated white males, etc, that we hear from the right? It seems that both sides are trying to out-victim the other.

Mister D
11-15-2015, 07:51 PM
ah, but that implies that right is different....what about the complaints of anti-Christian, mistreated white males, etc, that we hear from the right? It seems that both sides are trying to out-victim the other.

What about them? What little we see of self-professed victimization on the right is a reaction to the left's far longer history of victim group pandering. No question about it. The fuss about white males only developed because PC had made everyone but white males a disadvantaged group. Anyway, from a purely political perspective, why shouldn't the right engage in it? What's good for the goose...

Safety
11-15-2015, 08:43 PM
What about them? What little we see of self-professed victimization on the right is a reaction to the left's far longer history of victim group pandering. No question about it. The fuss about white males only developed because PC had made everyone but white males a disadvantaged group. Anyway, from a purely political perspective, why shouldn't the right engage in it? What's good for the goose...

One is a perceived victimization, the other is tangible. For example, the right is upset that everything is so "PC", which is double speak for "why can't I call someone what I want to" vs a minority getting grouped into whatever bad acts someone in that group does because they share the same color.

Mac-7
11-16-2015, 03:50 AM
The GOP can be changed from within but that will require the drones to be just as critical of their own party's agenda as they are of the Democrat's. That said, that's problematic in political terms. Group think on the left is mighty strong and, while embarrassing on an individual level, it's politically advantageous. It's a dilemma.

I am a conservative republican who believes in reforming the reoublican party rather than the imposdoble dream of replacing it with one that libertarians approve of.

Someone you might be calling a drone.

but breaking up the repub party in an effort to fix it will only result in one party rule by the socialist democrats and even more bitterness for libertarians.

Peter1469
11-16-2015, 06:30 AM
The republican party has betrayed conservatives too many times.

donttread
11-16-2015, 09:00 AM
I am a conservative republican who believes in reforming the reoublican party rather than the imposdoble dream of replacing it with one that libertarians approve of.

Someone you might be calling a drone.

but breaking up the repub party in an effort to fix it will only result in one party rule by the socialist democrats and even more bitterness for libertarians.

Unfixable