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Peter1469
11-17-2015, 05:56 PM
Russia claims 2300 sorties in the last 48 hours (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/476131/Russia-cruise-missiles-ISIS-targets-Syria)
I imagine they don't rely on precision guided bombs.
Russia's defence minister said Russian warplanes have fired cruise missiles on militant positions in Syria's Idlib and Aleppo provinces.
Sergei Shoigu also told a briefing conducted for President Vladimir Putin today that bombers hit Islamic State positions in Raqqa and Der-ez-Zor.
Russia's airforce has carried out a huge 2,300 sorties in the last 48 hours, reports say.
Speaking during a security council meeting in Moscow chaired by the Russian president Vladimir Putin, defence minister Sergey Shoigu said: "We are conducting a mass airstrike campaign against Islamic State targets in Syria.
Crepitus
11-17-2015, 06:00 PM
That may make an impression.
Peter1469
11-17-2015, 06:02 PM
Depends on what they hit.
Russia claims 2300 sorties in the last 48 hours (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/476131/Russia-cruise-missiles-ISIS-targets-Syria)
I imagine they don't rely on precision guided bombs.
It is my understanding that such technology is very easy to use once you have the satellites?
Since Russia launches to the space station, why would they not have satellites as well?
Crepitus
11-17-2015, 06:04 PM
Depends on what they hit.
True, but they're bound to get lucky occasionally with those kinda numbers.
We've been flying like 10 a day IIRC?
I never understood the Obama style of war making.
Peter1469
11-17-2015, 06:05 PM
It is my understanding that such technology is very easy to use once you have the satellites?
Since Russia launches to the space station, why would they not have satellites as well?
They have them. It is just more expensive than using conventional bombs.
Gypsy
11-17-2015, 06:05 PM
It's about time Putin did something other than support Assad.
Crepitus
11-17-2015, 06:05 PM
It is my understanding that such technology is very easy to use once you have the satellites?
Since Russia launches to the space station, why would they not have satellites as well?
It's the expense of each individual munition Bob.
It's the expense of each individual munition Bob.
Cheaper to make them aim properly than to waste them missing.
It's about time Putin did something other than support Assad.
The left supported keeping Saddam in power. Why remove Assad?
They have them. It is just more expensive than using conventional bombs.
I would argue that precise munitions is cheaper than those scattered all over that don't hit the correct target.
Peter1469
11-17-2015, 06:14 PM
I would argue that precise munitions is cheaper than those scattered all over that don't hit the correct target.
It depends on what your goals and targets are.
But the cost of the precision guided munitions is very high.
Crepitus
11-17-2015, 06:16 PM
Cheaper to make them aim properly than to waste them missing.
wouldn't be too sure of that.
Gypsy
11-17-2015, 06:24 PM
The left supported keeping Saddam in power. Why remove Assad?
Saddam didn't attack us on 911 and he didn't support AQ. There was no reason to remove him. Our total focus and resources should have been on Afghanistan.
Does this mean that the right is taking responsibility for the removal of Saddam and the creation of ISIS?
Bob, this isn't the time for partisan bull shit.
It depends on what your goals and targets are.
But the cost of the precision guided munitions is very high.
High for the USA also.
Putin is smart enough to try to do his war with minimum cost.
Peter1469
11-17-2015, 06:38 PM
High for the USA also.
Putin is smart enough to try to do his war with minimum cost.
We spend a lot of money to avoid collateral damage. Most other nations don't bother so much.
donttread
11-17-2015, 06:42 PM
What will we do now? The French and the Russians are stealing our job of bombing brown people. And they're better at it.
Crepitus
11-17-2015, 06:43 PM
I would argue that precise munitions is cheaper than those scattered all over that don't hit the correct target.
Called a buddy and asked a question.
A mark 82, a general purpose unguided bomb is about $2000
A J-DAM is about $20,000, or ten times the cost, and it is far from our most sophisticated weapon system.
Saddam didn't attack us on 911 and he didn't support AQ. There was no reason to remove him. Our total focus and resources should have been on Afghanistan.
Does this mean that the right is taking responsibility for the removal of Saddam and the creation of ISIS?
Bob, this isn't the time for partisan bull shit.
Assad has never attacked the USA yet all that is on Obama's mind is he must be deposed.
Obama deposed Gaddafi whom too had not attacked us.
I believe that Saddam did support AQ. I have never stated that Saddam attacked us on 9/11 so that is a strawman issue. Bush too never said that.
Common
11-17-2015, 06:51 PM
Cheaper to make them aim properly than to waste them missing.
Thats a good point
Crepitus
11-17-2015, 06:54 PM
Thats a good point
Depends on what you are trying to achieve with them.
Seems to me a few areas in the ME could use a good old fashioned Viet Nam style Arc Light strike.
Common
11-17-2015, 06:56 PM
Depends on what you are trying to achieve with them.
Seems to me a few areas in the ME could use a good old fashioned Viet Nam style Arc Light strike.
Thats true but there is more collateral dmg than with guided, 2300 sorties in 48 should have at lleast leveled two cities
Called a buddy and asked a question.
A mark 82, a general purpose unguided bomb is about $2000
A J-DAM is about $20,000, or ten times the cost, and it is far from our most sophisticated weapon system.
It depends then on the actual hit targets which is cheaper.
The unguided bomb, not being accurate may dump a load that misses entirely. The guided bomb hits the target.
Depends on what you are trying to achieve with them.
Seems to me a few areas in the ME could use a good old fashioned Viet Nam style Arc Light strike.
Obama never would do that.
Crepitus
11-17-2015, 07:01 PM
Thats true but there is more collateral dmg than with guided, 2300 sorties in 48 should have at lleast leveled two cities
We can only hope.
Crepitus
11-17-2015, 07:01 PM
It depends then on the actual hit targets which is cheaper.
The unguided bomb, not being accurate may dump a load that misses entirely. The guided bomb hits the target.
As I and others have said, it depends on what you're trying to accomplish.
Crepitus
11-17-2015, 07:02 PM
Obama never would do that.
Probably not, but we can hope.
We spend a lot of money to avoid collateral damage. Most other nations don't bother so much.
I believe you but what do we know of the Putin track record vs our record?
All i heard during Bush era was we killed hundreds of thousands innocents in Iraq. I disputed that of course.
Common
11-17-2015, 07:07 PM
Obama never would do that.
That is the truth
It's about time Putin did something other than support Assad.
Clearly you buy into the Obama propaganda that Assad must go.
Why do you believe that?
Peter1469
11-17-2015, 07:14 PM
I believe you but what do we know of the Putin track record vs our record?
All i heard during Bush era was we killed hundreds of thousands innocents in Iraq. I disputed that of course.
Look at what the Russians did in their wars in Chechnya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War#Effects).
Tahuyaman
11-17-2015, 07:24 PM
Russia claims 2300 sorties in the last 48 hours (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/476131/Russia-cruise-missiles-ISIS-targets-Syria)
I imagine they don't rely on precision guided bombs.
they took a lesson from us by how we executed Desert Storm.
]Saddam didn't attack us on 911 and he didn't support AQ. There was no reason to remove him.[/SIZE] Our total focus and resources should have been on Afghanistan.
Does this mean that the right is taking responsibility for the removal of Saddam and the creation of ISIS?
Bob, this isn't the time for partisan bull shit.
There is the myth that Bush conquered Afghanistan. Bush had no intentions of conquering that country. Bush had one simple aim. To free Afghanistan of it's oppressors, both AQ and the Taliban. And to do so, the resources of Afghanistan were used. To wit? Bush aided the people to get rid of the AQ and the Taliban. To allege the USA belonged in Afghanistan over the long term is in my way of thinking wrong. Bush was asked to help out and put troops inside the country.
Removing Saddam did not create ISIS. ISIS is Sunni and existed all along. Saddam used ISIS as his terror arm to hold his regime together.
Common Sense
11-17-2015, 07:31 PM
There is the myth that Bush conquered Afghanistan. Bush had no intentions of conquering that country. Bush had one simple aim. To free Afghanistan of it's oppressors, both AQ and the Taliban. And to do so, the resources of Afghanistan were used. To wit? Bush aided the people to get rid of the AQ and the Taliban. To allege the USA belonged in Afghanistan over the long term is in my way of thinking wrong. Bush was asked to help out and put troops inside the country.
Removing Saddam did not create ISIS. ISIS is Sunni and existed all along. Saddam used ISIS as his terror arm to hold his regime together.
None of the above is remotely accurate.
Bush was asked by who to "help out"?
While there are Bathist orgins to ISIS, ISIS did not exist under Saddam.
Look at what the Russians did in their wars in Chechnya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War#Effects).
A case where the Muslims attacked and Putin was forced to defend. Think Shoe bomber or the first bomber who blew a bomb in the trade center who went to prison. Think the Boston Bombers.
http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Bob http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=1332774#post1332774)
There is the myth that Bush conquered Afghanistan. Bush had no intentions of conquering that country. Bush had one simple aim. To free Afghanistan of it's oppressors, both AQ and the Taliban. And to do so, the resources of Afghanistan were used. To wit? Bush aided the people to get rid of the AQ and the Taliban. To allege the USA belonged in Afghanistan over the long term is in my way of thinking wrong. Bush was asked to help out and put troops inside the country.
Removing Saddam did not create ISIS. ISIS is Sunni and existed all along. Saddam used ISIS as his terror arm to hold his regime together.
None of the above is remotely accurate.
Bush was asked by who to "help out"?
While there are Bathist orgins to ISIS, ISIS did not exist under Saddam.
It is entirely true and based on the books by General Tommy Franks along with the book by General Mike DeLong.
ISIS existed since it already controlled all of Iraq and enforced the rule by Saddam Hussein.
Peter1469
11-17-2015, 07:35 PM
they took a lesson from us by how we executed Desert Storm.
Both the Chinese and the Russians paid attention to that.
Peter1469
11-17-2015, 07:37 PM
None of the above is remotely accurate.
Bush was asked by who to "help out"?
While there are Bathist orgins to ISIS, ISIS did not exist under Saddam.
The precursor to ISIL started up in Iraq in 1998. It has a real long Arabic name.
Common Sense
11-17-2015, 07:38 PM
It is entirely true and based on the books by General Tommy Franks along with the book by General Mike DeLong.
ISIS existed since it already controlled all of Iraq and enforced the rule by Saddam Hussein.
ISIS was started in Jordan in 1999 by Zarqawi.
Maybe you misread.
Common Sense
11-17-2015, 07:39 PM
The precursor to ISIL started up in Iraq in 1998. It has a real long Arabic name.
Jama'at al Tawhid wal Jihad
Peter1469
11-17-2015, 07:40 PM
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jama%27at_al-Tawhid_wal-Jihad)Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jama%27at_al-Tawhid_wal-Jihad) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jama%27at_al-Tawhid_wal-Jihad)
Captain Obvious
11-17-2015, 07:51 PM
We are conducting a mass airstrike campaign against Islamic State targets in Syria
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wFVaH83Lmn0/U7FsWmk0VdI/AAAAAAAAAaA/_2vz_j1WFtA/s1600/aceventurathumbsup.gif
ISIS was started in Jordan in 1999 by Zarqawi.
Maybe you misread.
In that case, it clearly was not started by GW Bush as the left wingers claim.
Peter1469
11-17-2015, 07:57 PM
On a good note, the Russian's notified our operations center in the region before they went on the attack.
Tahuyaman
11-17-2015, 07:59 PM
Both the Chinese and the Russians paid attention to that.
I'm sure they did. They would have stupid not to.
The precursor to ISIL started up in Iraq in 1998. It has a real long Arabic name.
Thanks. I knew it predated GW Bush who got blamed by the left for creating ISIL and that it is Sunni and backed Saddam Hussein.
Had I blamed Clinton since it started in 1998, the left wingers would have gone mad with rage.
On a good note, the Russian's notified our operations center in the region before they went on the attack.
Too bad the Obama regime demonizes Putin.
Cigar
11-17-2015, 08:25 PM
Russia claims 2300 sorties in the last 48 hours (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/476131/Russia-cruise-missiles-ISIS-targets-Syria)
I imagine they don't rely on precision guided bombs.
Once they do it for 14 years and Down Trillions then I'll start taking notice. :laugh:
Captain Obvious
11-17-2015, 08:30 PM
Too bad the Obama regime demonizes Putin.
Too bad RW hacks suck Putin's ass.
Tahuyaman
11-17-2015, 08:32 PM
Too bad the Obama regime demonizes Putin.
Putin should be demonized, but the Obama administration does it because Putin continues to punk Obama.
Putin should be demonized, but the Obama administration does it because Putin continues to punk Obama.
I recall Stalin and Kruschev and Gorbachev.
Putin is different. Obama talks the talk of getting along then demonizes Putin and Assad.
Then to believe in Obama one is supposed to have supported Saddam Hussein in power.
They are not consistent at all.
Obama took out Gaddafi then wants to take out Assad. Then he demonizes a Putin that took out no leader nor wants to take one out.
Common Sense
11-17-2015, 08:41 PM
http://i.imgur.com/QEVXBSP.jpg
Literally...
Tahuyaman
11-17-2015, 08:46 PM
I recall Stalin and Kruschev and Gorbachev.
Putin is different.....
Putin is no different than any of the leaders of the former Soviet Union. He's an evil dude.
However, Obama's issues with him aren't grounded in policy ideas. It's personal. Putin's claim to fame is punking the POTUS.
Putin is no different than any of the leaders of the former Soviet Union. He's an evil dude.
However, Obama's issues with him aren't grounded in policy ideas. It's personal. Putin's claim to fame is punking the POTUS.
You bought the propaganda put forth by Obama and even some republicans.
Americans major problem is their news sources. They rely on the left wingers version of news.
Actually those who study Putin realize he favors Russia most, but is not interested in other conquests. I supported Bush but he too believed in conquest.
Tahuyaman
11-17-2015, 08:50 PM
Putin is no different than any of the leaders of the former Soviet Union. He's an evil dude.
However, Obama's issues with him aren't grounded in policy ideas. It's personal. Putin's claim to fame is punking the POTUS.
You bought the propaganda put forth by Obama and even some republicans.
Americans major problem is their news sources. They rely on the left wingers version of news.
Actually those who study Putin realize he favors Russia most, but is not interested in other conquests. I supported Bush but he too believed in conquest.
How does my comment support your idea that I fell for any propaganda?
Was it because I said Putin is an evil dude? Maybe it was when I said Obama criticizes Putin only because Putin punks him at every turn?
Common Sense
11-17-2015, 08:51 PM
Study Putin = watch RT
How does my comment support your idea that I fell for any propaganda?
Was it because I said Putin is an evil dude? Maybe it was when I said Obama criticizes Putin only because Putin punks him at every turn?
That you said Putin is like the former leaders of the Soviet Union. Actually he is more like Gorbachev who is not demonized in the USA. Putin is not evil. Being a lover of his own country does not make him evil.
Take Ukraine. Obama praised the illegal take over of Ukraine. But when Crimea voted to join Russia, notice the demonizing took place by Obama.
Obama never demonized the illegal take over of Ukraine nor has our media.
Study Putin = watch RT
RT is a valid source as is DW TV of Berlin.
Actually, watch the lies told by Obama over Putin and compare.
Tahuyaman
11-17-2015, 09:02 PM
That you said Putin is like the former leaders of the Soviet Union.
Yes. He is an evil man. How can this be so difficult for you to see.
Tahuyaman
11-17-2015, 09:07 PM
Actually he is more like Gorbachev who is not demonized in the USA.
The American left loves Gorbachev for two reasons. First, he's a spokesman for the man made global warming hoax. Second, they like him because he got punked by Ronald Reagan and they are trying to rewrite the history on that one.
Yes. He is an evil man. How can this be so difficult for you to see.
I don't trust the left wing media. If you do, well that is on you.
The American left loves Gorbachev for two reasons. First, he's a spokesman for the man made global warming hoax. Second, they like him because he got punked by Ronald Reagan and they are trying to rewrite the history on that one.
You and I, I believe, are on the same side.
I don't see Putin as evil since I see a lot of various sources on Russia. I would think he is evil if only I used just the normal left wing media sites.
But I see other news sources.
I am not saying he is pure as snow, but to call him evil, a huge leap of believing in the left wing media or in Obama.
Tahuyaman
11-18-2015, 12:16 AM
I don't trust the left wing media. If you do, well that is on you.
really? You don't believe Putin is a bad guy becasue the media agrees with that?
Putin is not a nice guy like you seem to think.
Dr. Who
11-18-2015, 01:18 AM
RT is a valid source as is DW TV of Berlin.
Actually, watch the lies told by Obama over Putin and compare.
Putin is a psychopath, but a nationalistic psychopath. He has a plan for Russia and surrounding territories to have the economic power of Europe or America and anything he does, is good for Putin and his vision for Russia.
SemiteArt
11-18-2015, 04:43 AM
Sorry but I dont believe any coalition forces are attacking ISIS. These countries has advanced weapon techs. They can identify even a cat walking on the ground by unmanned air vehicles and satallites. This is impossible for ISIS to take even one single step if they were really trying to destroy ISIS.
SemiteArt
11-18-2015, 12:38 PM
I found this video. Russian jets shot ISIS convoy consist of about 500 oil tankers which never seen by other coalition forces for years since Russia find out them :huh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huF-BYzJPaM
Putin is a psychopath, but a nationalistic psychopath. He has a plan for Russia and surrounding territories to have the economic power of Europe or America and anything he does, is good for Putin and his vision for Russia.
I am suspicious to say the least when reading amateur description of a world leader. No tips, no proof, no links, just put down.
At first it sounded like a good description of Obama only inserting the USA.
In your defense, I do the same thing to Obama so it is no sin.
Peter1469
11-18-2015, 01:09 PM
I found this video. Russian jets shot ISIS convoy consist of about 500 oil tankers which never seen by other coalition forces for years since Russia find out them :huh:
US planes bombed over 100 oil tankers a day or two ago. Except we dropped leaflets first and told the "civilian" drivers to run away first.
really? You don't believe Putin is a bad guy becasue the media agrees with that?
Putin is not a nice guy like you seem to think.
Nice to whom? He is highly popular in his country.
Peter1469
11-18-2015, 01:11 PM
Here is an article from the Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/17/russia-pounds-isis-with-biggest-bomber-raid-in-decades.html)about the Russian bombing raid. And they did use at least some "dumb" ordinance.
The Russian air force just pulled off one of the biggest and most complex heavy bomber missions in modern history—sending no fewer than 25 Backfire, Bear, and Blackjack bombers on a coordinated, long-range air raid against alleged ISIS forces in Syria.The Tuesday mission, which launched under the cover of darkness from a base in Ossetia in southern Russia, signaled a significant escalation of Moscow’s air war in Syria—and heralded the rebirth of Russian heavy bomber squadrons that once had withered from a lack of funding.
Gen. Valery Gerasimov, chief of Russia’s general staff, announced the raid on Tuesday (http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151117/1030173378/russian-syria-operations-isil-tergets.html#ixzz3rm5RsJnb), calling it part of “a new plan [for] the air campaign.”
Tahuyaman
11-18-2015, 01:12 PM
Nice to whom? He is highly popular in his country.
how does that dispute that he's an evil dude?
SemiteArt
11-18-2015, 01:15 PM
US planes bombed over 100 oil tankers a day or two ago. Except we dropped leaflets first and told the "civilian" drivers to run away first.
What kind of a "civilian" drive an ISIS tanker ?
Is it not too late to decide to bomb ISIS tankers ?
Peter1469
11-18-2015, 01:17 PM
What kind of a "civilian" drive an ISIS tanker ?
Is it not too late to decide to bomb ISIS tankers ?
I would not categorize them as civilians if they are moving oil for ISIL.... I don't think the US rules of engagement have ever been so tight as they are now.
how does that dispute that he's an evil dude?
Believe me, were he evil, don't you think I would know this too?
SemiteArt
11-18-2015, 01:21 PM
I would not categorize them as civilians if they are moving oil for ISIL.... I don't think the US rules of engagement have ever been so tight as they are now.
Are you ridiculing the World ? Sorry but appearently you are the number one supporter of ISIS.
Peter1469
11-18-2015, 01:23 PM
Are you ridiculing the World ? Sorry but appearently you are the number one supporter of ISIS.
I don't understand your comment.
I said that I would not consider drivers moving oil for ISIL as civilians. Apparently the US government does.
Tahuyaman
11-18-2015, 01:26 PM
Believe me, were he evil, don't you think I would know this too?
Obviously you don't know it in this case.
Just what has he said or done which demonstrates that he's not a bad man?
I don't understand your comment.
I said that I would not consider drivers moving oil for ISIL as civilians. Apparently the US government does.
This is a serious mistake by Obama. I believe he cherry picks targets.
Obviously you don't know it in this case.
Just what has he said or done which demonstrates that he's not a bad man?
Who calls him a bad man?
Have you actually listened to him discussing things with his people? Given the evil done by Obama, why try to drag down a person for being a Russian?
Tahuyaman
11-18-2015, 01:30 PM
You know what? I think you like Putin simply because he has public disagreements with our incompetent and indecisive president.
SemiteArt
11-18-2015, 01:32 PM
I don't understand your comment.
I said that I would not consider drivers moving oil for ISIL as civilians. Apparently the US government does.
So since long time, finally you decided to shot the money sources of ISIS ? Allowing them to make money is to support them. I think the World leaders decided to destroy ISIS in G20 meeting. They started to shot them from the heart and they make some explanations that finally Bashar Assad leaving the throne and ISIS going to be removed.
jimmyz
11-18-2015, 01:49 PM
When I saw ISIS parading captured M-1 tanks, Humvees, and support trucks in 2 mile long parades I wondered why a squadron of A-10 didn't just make hamburger out of them. Since then I'm convinced that Obama made a deal with the devil to try and take out Assad. Didn't work out so good obviously. Obama's proxies have turn on their patron. Europe suffers. The French die. Shameful POTUS. Sorry world.
SemiteArt
11-18-2015, 01:57 PM
When I saw ISIS parading captured M-1 tanks, Humvees, and support trucks in 2 mile long parades I wondered why a squadron of A-10 didn't just make hamburger out of them. Since then I'm convinced that Obama made a deal with the devil to try and take out Assad. Didn't work out so good obviously. Obama's proxies have turn on their patron. Europe suffers. The French die. Shameful POTUS. Sorry world.
ISIS seized these things from Iraqi army. They invaded the cities of Iraq. US and Britain just watched them while they seized almost all weapon power of Iraqi central government. This is really a cheap theater.
jimmyz
11-18-2015, 02:00 PM
ISIS seized these things from Iraqi army. They invaded the cities of Iraq. US and Britain just watched them while they seized almost all weapon power of Iraqi central government. This is really a cheap theater.
Yes. Obama thinks that the average person can't see his tricks in his back-door arming of Daesh.
SemiteArt
11-18-2015, 02:06 PM
Yes. Obama thinks that the average person can't see his tricks in his back-door arming of Daesh.
US presidents do not rule the country alone. They have to obey money barons. Actually I could say the same thing for many other countries too. So Obama is just the person on the screen. There are many others behind the backstage.
SemiteArt
11-18-2015, 02:07 PM
Currently there are only two countries which dont obey money barons. One is Russia, other one is Turkey.
Peter1469
11-18-2015, 02:12 PM
So since long time, finally you decided to shot the money sources of ISIS ? Allowing them to make money is to support them. I think the World leaders decided to destroy ISIS in G20 meeting. They started to shot them from the heart and they make some explanations that finally Bashar Assad leaving the throne and ISIS going to be removed.
I would have CEOs of banks that do business with ISIL assassinated.....
SemiteArt
11-18-2015, 02:20 PM
I would have CEOs of banks that do business with ISIL assassinated.....
According to Wikileaks leaked documents there are many terror organization leaders and members who have HSBC bank accounts. They are laundering trillions of dollars and paying a few billion dollars as penalty for their corruption charges.
Dr. Who
11-18-2015, 06:46 PM
I am suspicious to say the least when reading amateur description of a world leader. No tips, no proof, no links, just put down.
At first it sounded like a good description of Obama only inserting the USA.
In your defense, I do the same thing to Obama so it is no sin.
Personal opinion Bob.
Common
11-18-2015, 06:50 PM
ISIS seized these things from Iraqi army. They invaded the cities of Iraq. US and Britain just watched them while they seized almost all weapon power of Iraqi central government. This is really a cheap theater.
Do you have something to demonstrate that is fact and not opinion, I would be interested in reading it.
Peter1469
11-18-2015, 06:52 PM
According to Wikileaks leaked documents there are many terror organization leaders and members who have HSBC bank accounts. They are laundering trillions of dollars and paying a few billion dollars as penalty for their corruption charges.
If I were in charge of an intelligence agency, that wouldn't last long.
Peter1469
11-18-2015, 06:54 PM
Do you have something to demonstrate that is fact and not opinion, I would be interested in reading it.
Link (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/20986-isis-seized-1-billion-of-u-s-military-aid-iraqi-leader-admits)
The so-called Islamic State, a brutal terrorist group also known as ISIS, seized 2,300 U.S. military Humvees and other weaponry from Iraq’s U.S. taxpayer-funded armed forces in Mosul, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider Al-Abadi admitted in a TV interview over the weekend. ISIS militants then paraded the captured U.S. military equipment, reportedly worth over $1 billion, through the streets of the city. They then proceeded to use the American Humvees to lynch and burn Iraqi troops — many of whom had dropped their U.S. supplies and fled — before putting the vehicles to work in suicide bombings and other attacks. One of them was used on June 1 in a suicide strike in Baghdad that killed some 45 people.
SemiteArt
11-19-2015, 05:06 AM
Do you have something to demonstrate that is fact and not opinion, I would be interested in reading it.
Are you kidding me ? You can easily find these reports from Google.
The Fall of Mosul occurred between 4–10 June 2014, when ISIL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISIL) insurgents, led by Abu Abdulrahman al-Bilawi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Abdulrahman_al-Bilawi), defeated theIraqi army (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_army), led by Lieutenant General Mahdi Gharawi.
In January 2014, ISIL took control of Fallujah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallujah) and Ramadi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramadi), inciting conflict with the Iraqi army. On 4 June, the insurgents began their efforts to capture Mosul. The Iraqi army had 30,000 soldiers stationed in the city, facing a 1,500-member attacking force. However, after six days of fighting, the city, as well as Mosul International Airport (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosul_International_Airport) and helicopters located there were under ISIL's control. An estimated 500,000 civilians were displaced from the city due to the conflict.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Mosul
WASHINGTON (AP) — Iraqi troops abandoned dozens of U.S military vehicles, including tanks, armored personnel carriers and artillery pieces when they fled Islamic State fighters in Ramadi on Sunday, the Pentagon said Tuesday.
Source: http://pamelageller.com/2015/05/isis-seized-large-numbers-of-us-weapons-militaria-tanks-in-ramadi.html/#sthash.RZun7dFB.dpuf
The so-called Islamic State, a brutal terrorist group also known as ISIS, seized 2,300 U.S. military Humvees and other weaponry from Iraq’s U.S. taxpayer-funded armed forces in Mosul.
Source: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/20986-isis-seized-1-billion-of-u-s-military-aid-iraqi-leader-admits
Common
11-19-2015, 05:14 AM
The last two sites I wont even go and look at, pamgeller blog ? I was strictly referring to your statement the US and Britain just watched
SemiteArt
11-19-2015, 05:45 AM
The last two sites I wont even go and look at, pamgeller blog ? I was strictly referring to your statement the US and Britain just watched
Are you aware of it that these sites are basing their news on Pentagon statements ? Another thing is many of these news sites copy-paste the news details from each other. So they cant lie easily about big countries, they have to base their news on solid sources.
"US army Ralph Peter told Fox News: ISIS has captured thousands of American-supplied vehicles"
Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3111931/Concern-Pentagon-ISIS-shows-military-equipment-seized-Iraqi-troops-latest-video.html
"It also appears to have captured a great deal of weaponry in this latest offensive, including rocket-propelled grenades and heavy machine guns. And Ramadi is much bigger than Tikrit."
Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/19/middleeast/iraq-ramadi-isis-lister/
Now, is it OK for you ?
SemiteArt
11-19-2015, 05:47 AM
I was strictly referring to your statement the US and Britain just watched
So you mean, US and British airforces are not able to destroy weapon warehouses or moving ISIS conwoys ?
SemiteArt
11-19-2015, 08:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDFhgpidzNA
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