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Cigar
11-21-2015, 08:16 PM
You xenophobic bed-wetting bigots: The Paris terrorists were from Europe, not Syria or Iraq (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/19/1452072/-You-xenophobic-bed-wetting-bigots-The-Paris-terrorists-were-from-Europe-not-Syria-or-Iraq)

http://images.dailykos.com/images/179068/story_image/RTS5FZJ.jpg?1447941045

House Republicans voted to pause the process (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/19/1452053/-House-Republicans-vote-their-bigotry-fear-on-refugees-Democrats-stand-strong) of allowing refugees from Iraq and Syria to enter the United States. Republican-led states are refusing to help (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/18/1451712/-The-one-map-that-sums-up-the-Syrian-refugee-pants-wetter-situation) the refugees. Republican presidential candidates want to keep the refugees out (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republicans-refugees-paris-attacks_564a1747e4b08cda3489da73). But their xenophobic bed-wetting bigotry ignores one small fact: (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/18/paris-attacks-latest-evidence-st-denis-wider-conspiracy-isis)


All the other known attackers, as well as Abaaoud, are of French and Belgian nationality with similar life stories of limited petty crime or drug taking, and radicalisation in their late teens or early twenties. At least four are known to have spent time in Syria with Islamic State extremists.


As European citizens, there was no need to resort to subterfuge or risk Mediterranean sea crossings to reach their target. They could travel freely around the continent even when the authorities in their home countries were aware of their extreme views and foreign travels.


Some had traveled to Syria, but they were all European. They were not refugees from Syria or Iraq. They were not refugees from anywhere. One Syrian passport was found at one of the attack sites, but there are huge questions (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/15/why-syrian-refugee-passport-found-at-paris-attack-scene-must-be-treated-with-caution) about its significance:

But there are several reasons why it’s worth waiting until all the facts are known before making too strong a link between the attacks and the refugee crisis. The first is a general one: on at least 12 occasions, Isis has actually criticised refugees for fleeing to Europe. “For those who want to blame the attacks on Paris on refugees, you might want to get your facts straight,” wrote Aaron Zelin, an analyst of jihad, in an online commentary about the 12 outbursts (http://jihadology.net/2015/11/14/the-islamic-state-on-refugees-leaving-syria/). “The reality is, [Isis] loathes that individuals are fleeing Syria for Europe. It undermines [Isis’s] message that its self-styled caliphate is a refuge.” It’s therefore unlikely that the vast majority of Syrians fleeing to Europe are Isis supporters, since their actions are in obvious contravention of the group’s creed.

If you don't want the truth ... don't bother reading further ... :laugh:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/19/1452072/-You-xenophobic-bed-wetting-bigots-The-Paris-terrorists-were-from-Europe-not-Syria-or-Iraq?detail=email

Hal Jordan
11-21-2015, 08:19 PM
This information has been available for at least 5 days now... The vote happened after the facts were already out.

Cigar
11-21-2015, 08:21 PM
This information has been available for at least 5 days now... The vote happened after the facts were already out.

What does that tell you, they're minds where made up long ago.

hanger4
11-21-2015, 08:23 PM
I guess you missed this part "At least four are known to have spent time in Syria with Islamic State extremists".

Common
11-21-2015, 08:27 PM
What does that tell you, they're minds where made up long ago.

https://49.media.tumblr.com/eabb7bb0e8534c61e791b6221aaacc88/tumblr_mjtjadm4QL1rfduvxo1_500.gif

hanger4
11-21-2015, 08:35 PM
You xenophobic bed-wetting bigots: The Paris terrorists were from Europe, not Syria or Iraq (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/19/1452072/-You-xenophobic-bed-wetting-bigots-The-Paris-terrorists-were-from-Europe-not-Syria-or-Iraq)

http://images.dailykos.com/images/179068/story_image/RTS5FZJ.jpg?1447941045

House Republicans voted to pause the process (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/19/1452053/-House-Republicans-vote-their-bigotry-fear-on-refugees-Democrats-stand-strong) of allowing refugees from Iraq and Syria to enter the United States. Republican-led states are refusing to help (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/18/1451712/-The-one-map-that-sums-up-the-Syrian-refugee-pants-wetter-situation) the refugees. Republican presidential candidates want to keep the refugees out (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republicans-refugees-paris-attacks_564a1747e4b08cda3489da73). But their xenophobic bed-wetting bigotry ignores one small fact: (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/18/paris-attacks-latest-evidence-st-denis-wider-conspiracy-isis)


All the other known attackers, as well as Abaaoud, are of French and Belgian nationality with similar life stories of limited petty crime or drug taking, and radicalisation in their late teens or early twenties. At least four are known to have spent time in Syria with Islamic State extremists.


As European citizens, there was no need to resort to subterfuge or risk Mediterranean sea crossings to reach their target. They could travel freely around the continent even when the authorities in their home countries were aware of their extreme views and foreign travels.


Some had traveled to Syria, but they were all European. They were not refugees from Syria or Iraq. They were not refugees from anywhere. One Syrian passport was found at one of the attack sites, but there are huge questions (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/15/why-syrian-refugee-passport-found-at-paris-attack-scene-must-be-treated-with-caution) about its significance:

But there are several reasons why it’s worth waiting until all the facts are known before making too strong a link between the attacks and the refugee crisis. The first is a general one: on at least 12 occasions, Isis has actually criticised refugees for fleeing to Europe. “For those who want to blame the attacks on Paris on refugees, you might want to get your facts straight,” wrote Aaron Zelin, an analyst of jihad, in an online commentary about the 12 outbursts (http://jihadology.net/2015/11/14/the-islamic-state-on-refugees-leaving-syria/). “The reality is, [Isis] loathes that individuals are fleeing Syria for Europe. It undermines [Isis’s] message that its self-styled caliphate is a refuge.” It’s therefore unlikely that the vast majority of Syrians fleeing to Europe are Isis supporters, since their actions are in obvious contravention of the group’s creed.

If you don't want the truth ... don't bother reading further ... :laugh:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/19/1452072/-You-xenophobic-bed-wetting-bigots-The-Paris-terrorists-were-from-Europe-not-Syria-or-Iraq?detail=email
Is this AP report a lie or is it mistaken Cigar ?? ....... http://www.armradio.am/en/2015/11/20/paris-suicide-bomber-arrived-in-eu-as-syrian-refugee-via-turkey/

Cigar
11-21-2015, 08:51 PM
I guess you missed this part "At least four are known to have spent time in Syria with Islamic State extremists".

I guess you missed the part that they were European citizens, NOT Refugees :laugh:

WaaNaa try again sport :grin:

Cigar
11-21-2015, 08:52 PM
Is this AP report a lie or is it mistaken @Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294) ?? ....... http://www.armradio.am/en/2015/11/20/paris-suicide-bomber-arrived-in-eu-as-syrian-refugee-via-turkey/

Of course ... why pass up Step One. :laugh:

Cigar
11-21-2015, 08:57 PM
Notice how quickly The Righty's Run from the Truth? :laugh:

hanger4
11-21-2015, 09:01 PM
Notice how quickly The Righty's Run from the Truth? :laugh:
But you're the one running Cigar . Is the AP report a lie ??

Cigar
11-21-2015, 09:10 PM
All Paris Attackers Identified So Far Are European Nationals, According To Top EU OfficialAll of the attackers from Friday’s massacre in Paris so far have been identified as European Union nationals, according to a top EU official. The announcement further casts doubt on the validity of a Syrian passport found near the bodies of a slain attacker.

“Let me underline, the profile of the terrorists so far identified tells us this is an internal threat,” Federica Mogherini, the High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy/Vice-President of the European Commission, said (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11997820/Paris-France-terror-attacks-isil-suspects-Syria-Raqqa-boming-arrests-live.html) after a meeting with EU foreign ministers. “It is all EU citizens so far. This can change with the hours, but so far it is quite clear it is an issue of internal domestic security.”

The majority of attackers were identified as French or Belgian nationals. An Egyptian passport was also found, but the Egyptian Ambassador to France said (http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/166657.aspx) it belonged to a critically wounded victim and not a perpetrator. The Syrian passport caused a ruckus, with some politicians in Europe and the U.S. calling for a halt (http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/16/3722523/isis-hates-refugees/) to Syrian refugee resettlement. An increasing number of state governors are trying to defund (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/11/16/3722632/gop-governors-refugees/)the settlement program. American officials told (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/paris-attacks-teams-extremists-france-prosecutor/) CBS News that the passport might be fake, while British-daily the Independent reported (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/serbian-police-arrest-man-carrying-syrian-passport-with-exact-same-details-as-document-found-on-a6736471.html) that a man was arrested in Serbia while carrying a Syrian passport with matching details to the one found in Paris.

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/16/3722838/all-paris-attackers-identified-so-far-are-european-nationals-according-to-top-eu-official/


I don't know about you guys, but I think it's time we STOP ALL French or Belgian nationals from Entering The US. :grin:




All Paris Attackers Identified So Far Are European Nationals, Not Refugees
“It is all EU citizens so far. This can change with the hours, but so far it is quite clear it is an issue of internal domestic security.”

All of the attackers from Friday’s massacre in Paris so far have been identified as European Union nationals, according to a top EU official. The announcement further casts doubt on the validity of a Syrian passport found near the bodies of a slain attacker.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/all-paris-attackers-identified-so-far-are-european-nationals-not-refugees/211347/




Anymore source you'd like to deny? :laugh:

Cigar
11-21-2015, 09:13 PM
Paris Attackers Were… EU Nationals, & NOT Refugees (http://anonhq.com/paris-attackers-not-refugees/)
http://anonhq.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/four-suspects-650x250.jpg

All of the attackers in the coordinated Islamic State terrorist assault in Paris on 13/11, who’ve had their identities confirmed thus far (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34832512), were Europeans who had traveled to Syria.


Federica Mogherini, High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy/Vice-President of the European Commission, said earlier this week that the EU was dealing with an “internal threat” in regards to the recent terrorist attacks.


“Let me underline—the profile of the terrorists so far identified tells us this is an internal threat. It is all EU citizens so far (http://usuncut.com/world/top-eu-official-claims-identified-paris-attackers-eu-nationals-far/). This can change with the hours, but so far it is quite clear it is an issue of internal domestic security,” Mogherini said.
Who were the attackers?



French officials investigating the deadly Paris attacks have named six people they believe to have carried out the assaults (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/15/world/europe/manhunt-for-paris-attackers.html?_r=0).

Abdelhamid Abaaoud, 27: A Belgian national, believed to have masterminded the attack in paris, has fought for the Islamic State in Syria and had been wanted in Belgium for a terrorist plot that was foiled in January.




How much of this Azz Kicking are you willing to take? :laugh:

Tahuyaman
11-21-2015, 09:39 PM
The facts have been known for awhile. The appeasers on the left want those facts ignored.

Cigar
11-21-2015, 09:43 PM
The facts have been known for awhile. The appeasers on the left want those facts ignored.

So according to YOU, the Terrorist were not Europeans who had traveled to Syria, and based on YOUR FACTS are Syrian Refugees?

Ok ... post YOUR PROF or STFU :grin:


Well it's been fun folk ... maybe I'll check back tomorrow to see if anyone can prove this is not true. :vrolijk_26:

Peter1469
11-21-2015, 09:45 PM
DNC talking points alert.

Tahuyaman
11-21-2015, 09:53 PM
The facts have been known for awhile. The appeasers on the left want those facts ignored.


So according to YOU, the Terrorist were not Europeans who had traveled to Syria, and based on YOUR FACTS are Syrian Refugees?

Ok ... post YOUR PROF or STFU :grin:


Well it's been fun folk ... maybe I'll check back tomorrow to see if anyone can prove this is not true. :vrolijk_26:


Like ^^^^^^

Cigar
11-21-2015, 10:53 PM
DNC talking points alert.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/Ted_SHRED/FB_IMG_1448163625641_zpsho2zavqa.jpg

Tahuyaman
11-22-2015, 01:50 AM
The bottom line here? The facts have been known for a while now.....oops.

Ransom
11-22-2015, 09:02 AM
I can give several reasons

The Trayvon Martin incident
The Michael Brown incident
The Freddie Gray incident
The Missouri Univ incident

Each classic examples of getting the sheep to graze on media lies. Each an incident where many observers here embarrassed and exposed themselves by in fact not having all their facts straight. The ignore list remains an appropriate forum tool to keep such hysterics from defacing your glass. And then you move on.

Matty
11-22-2015, 09:13 AM
Paris Attackers Were… EU Nationals, & NOT Refugees (http://anonhq.com/paris-attackers-not-refugees/)


http://anonhq.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/four-suspects-650x250.jpg

All of the attackers in the coordinated Islamic State terrorist assault in Paris on 13/11, who’ve had their identities confirmed thus far (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34832512), were Europeans who had traveled to Syria.


Federica Mogherini, High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy/Vice-President of the European Commission, said earlier this week that the EU was dealing with an “internal threat” in regards to the recent terrorist attacks.


“Let me underline—the profile of the terrorists so far identified tells us this is an internal threat. It is all EU citizens so far (http://usuncut.com/world/top-eu-official-claims-identified-paris-attackers-eu-nationals-far/). This can change with the hours, but so far it is quite clear it is an issue of internal domestic security,” Mogherini said.
Who were the attackers?



French officials investigating the deadly Paris attacks have named six people they believe to have carried out the assaults (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/15/world/europe/manhunt-for-paris-attackers.html?_r=0).

Abdelhamid Abaaoud, 27: A Belgian national, believed to have masterminded the attack in paris, has fought for the Islamic State in Syria and had been wanted in Belgium for a terrorist plot that was foiled in January.




How much of this Azz Kicking are you willing to take? :laugh:




What are their European names again? Were they born in Europe or did they migrate from the ME?

donttread
11-22-2015, 10:17 AM
You xenophobic bed-wetting bigots: The Paris terrorists were from Europe, not Syria or Iraq (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/19/1452072/-You-xenophobic-bed-wetting-bigots-The-Paris-terrorists-were-from-Europe-not-Syria-or-Iraq)

http://images.dailykos.com/images/179068/story_image/RTS5FZJ.jpg?1447941045

House Republicans voted to pause the process (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/19/1452053/-House-Republicans-vote-their-bigotry-fear-on-refugees-Democrats-stand-strong) of allowing refugees from Iraq and Syria to enter the United States. Republican-led states are refusing to help (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/18/1451712/-The-one-map-that-sums-up-the-Syrian-refugee-pants-wetter-situation) the refugees. Republican presidential candidates want to keep the refugees out (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republicans-refugees-paris-attacks_564a1747e4b08cda3489da73). But their xenophobic bed-wetting bigotry ignores one small fact: (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/18/paris-attacks-latest-evidence-st-denis-wider-conspiracy-isis)

All the other known attackers, as well as Abaaoud, are of French and Belgian nationality with similar life stories of limited petty crime or drug taking, and radicalisation in their late teens or early twenties. At least four are known to have spent time in Syria with Islamic State extremists.


As European citizens, there was no need to resort to subterfuge or risk Mediterranean sea crossings to reach their target. They could travel freely around the continent even when the authorities in their home countries were aware of their extreme views and foreign travels.


Some had traveled to Syria, but they were all European. They were not refugees from Syria or Iraq. They were not refugees from anywhere. One Syrian passport was found at one of the attack sites, but there are huge questions (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/15/why-syrian-refugee-passport-found-at-paris-attack-scene-must-be-treated-with-caution) about its significance:

But there are several reasons why it’s worth waiting until all the facts are known before making too strong a link between the attacks and the refugee crisis. The first is a general one: on at least 12 occasions, Isis has actually criticised refugees for fleeing to Europe. “For those who want to blame the attacks on Paris on refugees, you might want to get your facts straight,” wrote Aaron Zelin, an analyst of jihad, in an online commentary about the 12 outbursts (http://jihadology.net/2015/11/14/the-islamic-state-on-refugees-leaving-syria/). “The reality is, [Isis] loathes that individuals are fleeing Syria for Europe. It undermines [Isis’s] message that its self-styled caliphate is a refuge.” It’s therefore unlikely that the vast majority of Syrians fleeing to Europe are Isis supporters, since their actions are in obvious contravention of the group’s creed.

If you don't want the truth ... don't bother reading further ... :laugh:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/19/1452072/-You-xenophobic-bed-wetting-bigots-The-Paris-terrorists-were-from-Europe-not-Syria-or-Iraq?detail=email

My opposition to Syrian refugees has nothing to do with Paris , it has to do with common sense. Paris has just given the media a reason to make it a hot topic for the sheep

OGIS
11-22-2015, 12:27 PM
You xenophobic bed-wetting bigots: The Paris terrorists were from Europe, not Syria or Iraq (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/19/1452072/-You-xenophobic-bed-wetting-bigots-The-Paris-terrorists-were-from-Europe-not-Syria-or-Iraq)

House Republicans voted to pause the process (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/19/1452053/-House-Republicans-vote-their-bigotry-fear-on-refugees-Democrats-stand-strong) of allowing refugees from Iraq and Syria to enter the United States. Republican-led states are refusing to help (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/18/1451712/-The-one-map-that-sums-up-the-Syrian-refugee-pants-wetter-situation) the refugees. Republican presidential candidates want to keep the refugees out (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republicans-refugees-paris-attacks_564a1747e4b08cda3489da73). But their xenophobic bed-wetting bigotry ignores one small fact: (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/18/paris-attacks-latest-evidence-st-denis-wider-conspiracy-isis)

All the other known attackers, as well as Abaaoud, are of French and Belgian nationality with similar life stories of limited petty crime or drug taking, and radicalisation in their late teens or early twenties. At least four are known to have spent time in Syria with Islamic State extremists.


As European citizens, there was no need to resort to subterfuge or risk Mediterranean sea crossings to reach their target. They could travel freely around the continent even when the authorities in their home countries were aware of their extreme views and foreign travels.


Some had traveled to Syria, but they were all European. They were not refugees from Syria or Iraq. They were not refugees from anywhere. One Syrian passport was found at one of the attack sites, but there are huge questions (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/15/why-syrian-refugee-passport-found-at-paris-attack-scene-must-be-treated-with-caution) about its significance:

But there are several reasons why it’s worth waiting until all the facts are known before making too strong a link between the attacks and the refugee crisis. The first is a general one: on at least 12 occasions, Isis has actually criticised refugees for fleeing to Europe. “For those who want to blame the attacks on Paris on refugees, you might want to get your facts straight,” wrote Aaron Zelin, an analyst of jihad, in an online commentary about the 12 outbursts (http://jihadology.net/2015/11/14/the-islamic-state-on-refugees-leaving-syria/). “The reality is, loathes that individuals are fleeing Syria for Europe. It undermines [Isis’s] message that its self-styled caliphate is a refuge.” [I]It’s therefore unlikely that the vast majority of Syrians fleeing to Europe are Isis supporters, since their actions are in obvious contravention of the group’s creed.

If you don't want the truth ... don't bother reading further ... :laugh:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/19/1452072/-You-xenophobic-bed-wetting-bigots-The-Paris-terrorists-were-from-Europe-not-Syria-or-Iraq?detail=email

The red text above is the reason that I never cite anything written on DailyKOS.

The stupidity and illogic of that sentence is simply overwhelming. Hint: it ignores the likelihood of ISIS infiltrators using the flood of refugees as cover. Hint#2: Tactics like that are as old as warfare.

Peter1469
11-22-2015, 12:29 PM
You xenophobic bed-wetting bigots: The Paris terrorists were from Europe, not Syria or Iraq (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/19/1452072/-You-xenophobic-bed-wetting-bigots-The-Paris-terrorists-were-from-Europe-not-Syria-or-Iraq)

http://images.dailykos.com/images/179068/story_image/RTS5FZJ.jpg?1447941045

House Republicans voted to pause the process (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/19/1452053/-House-Republicans-vote-their-bigotry-fear-on-refugees-Democrats-stand-strong) of allowing refugees from Iraq and Syria to enter the United States. Republican-led states are refusing to help (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/18/1451712/-The-one-map-that-sums-up-the-Syrian-refugee-pants-wetter-situation) the refugees. Republican presidential candidates want to keep the refugees out (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republicans-refugees-paris-attacks_564a1747e4b08cda3489da73). But their xenophobic bed-wetting bigotry ignores one small fact: (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/18/paris-attacks-latest-evidence-st-denis-wider-conspiracy-isis)

All the other known attackers, as well as Abaaoud, are of French and Belgian nationality with similar life stories of limited petty crime or drug taking, and radicalisation in their late teens or early twenties. At least four are known to have spent time in Syria with Islamic State extremists.


As European citizens, there was no need to resort to subterfuge or risk Mediterranean sea crossings to reach their target. They could travel freely around the continent even when the authorities in their home countries were aware of their extreme views and foreign travels.


Some had traveled to Syria, but they were all European. They were not refugees from Syria or Iraq. They were not refugees from anywhere. One Syrian passport was found at one of the attack sites, but there are huge questions (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/15/why-syrian-refugee-passport-found-at-paris-attack-scene-must-be-treated-with-caution) about its significance:

But there are several reasons why it’s worth waiting until all the facts are known before making too strong a link between the attacks and the refugee crisis. The first is a general one: on at least 12 occasions, Isis has actually criticised refugees for fleeing to Europe. “For those who want to blame the attacks on Paris on refugees, you might want to get your facts straight,” wrote Aaron Zelin, an analyst of jihad, in an online commentary about the 12 outbursts (http://jihadology.net/2015/11/14/the-islamic-state-on-refugees-leaving-syria/). “The reality is, [Isis] loathes that individuals are fleeing Syria for Europe. It undermines [Isis’s] message that its self-styled caliphate is a refuge.” It’s therefore unlikely that the vast majority of Syrians fleeing to Europe are Isis supporters, since their actions are in obvious contravention of the group’s creed.

If you don't want the truth ... don't bother reading further ... :laugh:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/19/1452072/-You-xenophobic-bed-wetting-bigots-The-Paris-terrorists-were-from-Europe-not-Syria-or-Iraq?detail=email

DNC talking points. And strawman.

Fail.