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MMC
08-31-2012, 11:42 AM
http://go.bloomberg.com/political-capital/files/2012/08/0828-Jon-Voight.jpg

Radio Row is a regular at political conventions.
And Jon Voight is a regular spokesman for the right wing of his party.

The actor sat with the The United West on Radio Row in the Tampa Convention Center at the Republican National Convention for an interview. The United West states its aims as “defending and advancing Western Civilization against the kinetic and cultural onslaught of Shariah.” The host of this interview spoke of Obama’s “Marxist views.”

“The president is of the Marxist, socialist root,” said Voight, also suggesting that listeners see the movie, “2016.: Obama’s America,” a documentary from Dinesh D’Souza, conservative author of the New York Times Bestseller “The Roots of Obama’s Rage.” That big-screen screed about President Barack Obama opened in Tampa (http://go.bloomberg.com/political-capital/2012-08-25/strong-rhetoric-stiff-drinks-next-door-to-gop-in-tampa/) over the weekend to exactly one viewer — our reporter.

“I’m 73 years old, and I won’t be at peace unless I see my country in order, you know,” Voight said in his Radio Row interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H_6dRng225M). “I want to do everything I can to restore hope and a future for the American way of life.”

“I’m here because I want to help in every way get this man, these men, into office,” he said of the Republican Party’s ticket, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan. “It’s not a secret — we need to fix — something’s broken here.”.....snip~

http://go.bloomberg.com/political-capital/2012-08-28/john-voight-on-marxist-obama-romney-will-right-the-ship/

The MSMedia didnt really want to talk about this. Since Radio Row Broadcasts themselves. But Voight has tweeted some shit to Obama in the past too. :grin:

Carygrant
08-31-2012, 11:49 AM
He looked sane when he was younger .
Obama and Marxism juxtaposed , indeed --- did they all suffer from deprived schooling ?

Jack Fate
08-31-2012, 11:59 AM
He looked sane when he was younger .
Obama and Marxism juxtaposed , indeed --- did they all suffer from deprived schooling ?

If Voigt and Eastwood were singing the praises of Obama, you'd be calling them wise, experienced, thoughtful, caring, etc,.

Carygrant
08-31-2012, 12:15 PM
IFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF .IFFFFFFFFF .IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIF .
If I had been born in the US , you would be voting for me .

The juxtaposition of Marxism and Obama might make the kids smile but it is dangerous to allow a sloppy generation even greater license for the asinine. imo .

Shoot the Goose
08-31-2012, 12:35 PM
......... If I had been born in the US , you would be voting for me .....
.

You think we would be members of your jury panel ?

Obama is a Marxist. He also knows he cannot change things overnight. But he has run us a good ways in the wrong direction in the few years he's had.

He is being removed.

Jack Fate
08-31-2012, 12:53 PM
IFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF .IFFFFFFFFF .IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIF .
If I had been born in the US , you would be voting for me .

The juxtaposition of Marxism and Obama might make the kids smile but it is dangerous to allow a sloppy generation even greater license for the asinine. imo .

Obama was mentored by Marxists. That's not asinine. That's the truth.

coolwalker
08-31-2012, 01:26 PM
He looked sane when he was younger .
Obama and Marxism juxtaposed , indeed --- did they all suffer from deprived schooling ?

Did you?

IMPress Polly
08-31-2012, 02:49 PM
From the OP:
The actor sat with the The United West on Radio Row in the Tampa Convention Center at the Republican National Convention for an interview. The United West states its aims as “defending and advancing Western Civilization against the kinetic and cultural onslaught of Shariah.” The host of this interview spoke of Obama’s “Marxist views.”

And by the way, Elvis is still alive. And alien abductions are real.

Mainecoons
08-31-2012, 02:56 PM
Polly, perhaps you should take off the blinders and do a little reading about Barry's parents, grandparents, father and primary mentor during his most formative years. They were all Marxists. Do you think that he didn't absorb any of this? Is that a typical response of children to the environment they are raised in?

I think that anyone who pretends that Barry was raised just like the rest of us probably would believe Elvis is still alive.

Actually, you don't even have to go that far. Just read Barry's autobiography where he states quite clearly that he sought the company of communists and radicals in college.

Of course he did, it was how he was raised.

IMPress Polly
08-31-2012, 03:02 PM
Mainecoons wrote:
Polly, perhaps you should take off the blinders and do a little reading about Barry's parents, grandparents, father and primary mentor during his most formative years. They were all Marxists. Do you think that he didn't absorb any of this? Is that a typical response of children to the environment they are raised in?

I suggested nothing of the sort. I'm just saying that I'm a Marxist right now and I can tell you that no actual Marxist I know of (and I know quite a number) thinks that Obama is a comrade. And seriously, Shariah? Come on now, let's at least try to be sane and sober and serious. Whatever this guy's background, he's living in a conspiracy-driven fantasy land that doesn't exist. Don't tell me I can't make fun of that. :grin:

coolwalker
08-31-2012, 04:11 PM
I suggested nothing of the sort. I'm just saying that I'm a Marxist right now and I can tell you that no actual Marxist I know of (and I know quite a number) thinks that Obama is a comrade. And seriously, Shariah? Come on now, let's at least try to be sane and sober and serious. Whatever this guy's background, he's living in a conspiracy-driven fantasy land that doesn't exist. Don't tell me I can't make fun of that. :grin:
That is because like Marx, it's one step at a time, one brick at a time to get to the end result. You know marxists can wait and wait and wait until the time is perfect for them to do their deeds.

IMPress Polly
08-31-2012, 04:22 PM
I don't think you understand what you're talking about. Allow me to educate you.

Here is a typical news commentary by the World Socialist Web Site (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/aug2012/romn-a31.shtml) (run by the Socialist Equality Party, a modern Trotskyist group). These are the types of views that are typically held by authentic Marxists. As you will notice, it is very simplistic in nature, tending to simply describe the two major parties in this country in much the same way and oppose them equally. (Both are viewed as simply right-wing tools of capitalists.)

Here, by contrast, is the most moderate commentary on Obama by actual Marxists that I can find (http://peoplesworld.org/obama-s-state-of-the-union-combative-and-centrist/). It describes him not even as a leftist, but as a "centrist". I am inclined to lean in this general direction, seeing Obama and the Democrats as perhaps useful against the present-day alternative, but not by any means as leading the country to socialism.

But there you have a good representation of the sum total spectrum of debate among actual American Marxists. Now you know.

Jack Fate
08-31-2012, 04:27 PM
I don't think you understand what you're talking about. Allow me to educate you.

Here is a typical news commentary by the World Socialist Web Site (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/aug2012/romn-a31.shtml) (run by the Socialist Equality Party, a modern Trotskyist group). These are the types of views that are typically held by authentic Marxists. As you will notice, it is very simplistic in nature, tending to simply describe the two major parties in this country in much the same way and oppose them equally. (Both are viewed as simply right-wing tools of capitalists.)

Here, by contrast, is the most moderate commentary on Obama by actual Marxists that I can find (http://peoplesworld.org/obama-s-state-of-the-union-combative-and-centrist/). It describes him not even as a leftist, but as a "centrist". I am inclined to lean in this general direction, seeing Obama and the Democrats as perhaps useful against the present-day alternative, but not by any means as leading the country to socialism.

But there you have a good representation of the sum total spectrum of debate among actual American Marxists. Now you know.

At this point I don't think a majority of Americans really give a hoot what he is. He needs to be let go and replaced by competence.

coolwalker
08-31-2012, 04:38 PM
I don't think you understand what you're talking about. Allow me to educate you.

Here is a typical news commentary by the World Socialist Web Site (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/aug2012/romn-a31.shtml) (run by the Socialist Equality Party, a modern Trotskyist group). These are the types of views that are typically held by authentic Marxists. As you will notice, it is very simplistic in nature, tending to simply describe the two major parties in this country in much the same way and oppose them equally. (Both are viewed as simply right-wing tools of capitalists.)

Here, by contrast, is the most moderate commentary on Obama by actual Marxists that I can find (http://peoplesworld.org/obama-s-state-of-the-union-combative-and-centrist/). It describes him not even as a leftist, but as a "centrist". I am inclined to lean in this general direction, seeing Obama and the Democrats as perhaps useful against the present-day alternative, but not by any means as leading the country to socialism.

But there you have a good representation of the sum total spectrum of debate among actual American Marxists. Now you know.

He is a Marxist. Say what you want, but he is and he is bad for our country. You on the other hand have no excuse for your choice unless you were also born to it.

IMPress Polly
08-31-2012, 04:45 PM
coolwalker wrote:
He is a Marxist.

Wow. You are simply impossible to communicate with. I give up.

Chris
08-31-2012, 04:47 PM
I don't think Obama is a Marxist. He's a social democrat. That's worse.

coolwalker
08-31-2012, 04:54 PM
Marxism has no place in a democratic republic. You embrace Marxism or Communism, go live in Cuba or Russia.

Mainecoons
08-31-2012, 05:03 PM
I'll repeat a point I made earlier and one that the young and/or gullible do not understand about any statist political system, whether it be socialism, marxism, state socialism (fascism) or whatever. The very nature of these systems requires that the populace cede a great deal of power, control and choice to government in the hope that, in its benevolence, it will smooth out the disparities in luck, achievement, birth that result in disparities of standard of living. Unfortunately, history shows us without fail that when this much power is given to the God of Government, invariably it is abused and turned into dictatorship and repression.

By its very nature, statism cannot tolerate serious dissent. It must evolve a police state to suppress dissent and that always ends up the same way.

At one time, before Wilson, we had a government that was sufficiently weak and limited so as to not pose this kind of threat to the people. We have long since passed that point. This genie will not be put back in the bottle peaceably.

coolwalker
08-31-2012, 05:14 PM
Agreed Maine...maybe we can get a bigger bottle or shrink the Genie. The latter sounds easier to me.

Carygrant
08-31-2012, 05:57 PM
You think we would be members of your jury panel ?

Obama is a Marxist. He also knows he cannot change things overnight. But he has run us a good ways in the wrong direction in the few years he's had.

He is being removed.

The nearest you get to sanity with that remark is if you made a few typos and actually meant , Obama loved the Marx brothers .

Shoot the Goose
08-31-2012, 07:23 PM
The nearest you get to sanity with that remark is if you made a few typos and actually meant , Obama loved the Marx brothers .

Why bother to even post when that's all you got .......

Shoot the Goose
08-31-2012, 07:25 PM
Agreed Maine...maybe we can get a bigger bottle or shrink the Genie. The latter sounds easier to me.

Your avatar is the backstop which illustrates that we will prevail in the end. Hope it does not ever come to that. But I will shoot a Marxist before I say "yes sir" to one.

URF8
08-31-2012, 08:16 PM
Marxism requires state ownership of the means of production until the state withers away. Obama doesn't subscribe to that view.

Obama is, imo, more akin to traditional European Social Democrat/Crony Capitalist. In that sense Obama is a statist who's model of govt. is being destroyed by the flow of power and wealth from the West to East Asia and South Asia.

Trinnity
08-31-2012, 08:39 PM
And by the way, Elvis is still alive. And alien abductions are real.

Polly, perhaps you should take off the blinders and do a little reading about Barry's parents, grandparents, father and primary mentor during his most formative years. They were all Marxists. Do you think that he didn't absorb any of this? Is that a typical response of children to the environment they are raised in? Just read Barry's autobiography where he states quite clearly that he sought the company of communists and radicals in college.


Of course he's a Marxist. He's just trying to hide it. Polly, you've said you're a Marxist. I think the reason you don't see him as one is he's not open enough about it. He can't go all out in the open because he'd be impeached in a heartbeat. This is one of his problems. He's not moving fast enough for the far left and they're mad at him for it. LOL, the irony.

Shoot the Goose
08-31-2012, 08:50 PM
Marxism requires state ownership of the means of production until the state withers away. Obama doesn't subscribe to that view.

Obama is, imo, more akin to traditional European Social Democrat/Crony Capitalist. In that sense Obama is a statist who's model of govt. is being destroyed by the flow of power and wealth from the West to East Asia and South Asia.

He does aspire to that view. He is also more than smart enough to know that the US cannot be transformed in one big jump.

I want to say "little steps", but with a dumbass idiot Democrat Congress for 2009-2010, he made some decent jumps.

Liberals, and Obama, pose a bigger threat to my kids, and grandkids, then all the jihadists in the world combined.

He needs to be sent packing.

URF8
08-31-2012, 09:03 PM
He does aspire to that view. He is also more than smart enough to know that the US cannot be transformed in one big jump.

I want to say "little steps", but with a dumbass idiot Democrat Congress for 2009-2010, he made some decent jumps.

Liberals, and Obama, pose a bigger threat to my kids, and grandkids, then all the jihadists in the world combined.

He needs to be sent packing.

I agree completely. It's obvious that the left will proceed incrementally until they achieve their objective of transforming America. The only way to stop them is to keep America in a state of paralysis that prevents movement.

Chris
08-31-2012, 09:22 PM
Marxism requires state ownership of the means of production until the state withers away. Obama doesn't subscribe to that view.

Obama is, imo, more akin to traditional European Social Democrat/Crony Capitalist. In that sense Obama is a statist who's model of govt. is being destroyed by the flow of power and wealth from the West to East Asia and South Asia.

The common element amongst the various branches of socialism--Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Communism, and Social Democracy--is central planning. When as Marx predicted the state withers away, the means of production would still be owned by the collective and centrally planned.

That alone is why it always fails. Economies cannot be centrally planned.

Goldie Locks
08-31-2012, 10:47 PM
And by the way, Elvis is still alive. And alien abductions are real.


You're a Marxist, you should be rejoicing.

Goldie Locks
08-31-2012, 10:49 PM
I suggested nothing of the sort. I'm just saying that I'm a Marxist right now and I can tell you that no actual Marxist I know of (and I know quite a number) thinks that Obama is a comrade. And seriously, Shariah? Come on now, let's at least try to be sane and sober and serious. Whatever this guy's background, he's living in a conspiracy-driven fantasy land that doesn't exist. Don't tell me I can't make fun of that. :grin:


He'll have more flexibility after his next election. Don't think for one minute that the Constitution is not holding him back. If he could be dictator or Chavez he would. Honestly you think he is not left enough, but don't seem to see the reasons for that.

Goldie Locks
08-31-2012, 10:51 PM
I don't think you understand what you're talking about. Allow me to educate you.

Here is a typical news commentary by the World Socialist Web Site (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/aug2012/romn-a31.shtml) (run by the Socialist Equality Party, a modern Trotskyist group). These are the types of views that are typically held by authentic Marxists. As you will notice, it is very simplistic in nature, tending to simply describe the two major parties in this country in much the same way and oppose them equally. (Both are viewed as simply right-wing tools of capitalists.)

Here, by contrast, is the most moderate commentary on Obama by actual Marxists that I can find (http://peoplesworld.org/obama-s-state-of-the-union-combative-and-centrist/). It describes him not even as a leftist, but as a "centrist". I am inclined to lean in this general direction, seeing Obama and the Democrats as perhaps useful against the present-day alternative, but not by any means as leading the country to socialism.

But there you have a good representation of the sum total spectrum of debate among actual American Marxists. Now you know.

If Ubama to you is centrist, I would hate to see what the world would look like if you ran it.

URF8
08-31-2012, 11:18 PM
The common element amongst the various branches of socialism--Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Communism, and Social Democracy--is central planning. When as Marx predicted the state withers away, the means of production would still be owned by the collective and centrally planned.

That alone is why it always fails. Economies cannot be centrally planned.
Good observation. Thank you.