It's starting already -

[Cigar]

http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Dr-Bilal-Rana-speaks-to-ABC-News-via-screencap-800x430.png
Muslim anti-radicalism activist detained in Texas because airline passengers thought he looked scaryA Muslim anti-radicalization advocate was detained by authorities after landing at Houston’s Hobby Airport because other passengers on his flight from Newark thought he looked suspicious.

According to ABC News, Dr. Bilal Rana is an anesthesiologist who was returning home to Houston after a conference in New Jersey when he was taken into custody and interrogated.


After an hours-long ordeal — which took place on Nov. 15 — Rana wrote about his experience for Time magazine that told readers “I’m not your enemy. I’m your biggest ally.”

“To those who saw me as a threat,” he wrote:


“I hope you never know what it feels like to have a group of police officers single you out. I hope you never know what it is like to be frisked while standing in front of a plane full of passengers. I hope you never suffer the embarrassment of watching mothers hold their children tightly as you walk by them.

I hope you never feel the humiliation of having your belongings confiscated out of your hands, or being surrounded by cops who refer to you as ‘the subject’ on their walkie talkies. I hope you never have to, for the first time in your life, sit in the back of a police car.

I hope you get a chance to explain who you are before you are judged. I’m not your enemy. I’m your biggest ally.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/muslim-anti-radicalism-activist-detained-in-texas-because-airline-passengers-thought-he-looked-scary/


WTF, you'd think there would be enough Guns in Texas to handle one scary looking Muslim :laugh:

[Matty]

Oh wa wa waaaa

[Cigar]

Oh wa wa waaaa

Hey, I'm not the one Scared :laugh:

[Matty]

Oh would you rather have yer widdle feelings hurt or be among the 14 dead?

[Matty]

We are gonna hear this shit now for months about how Muslims are our friends.

[Cigar]

Oh would you rather have yer widdle feelings hurt or be among the 14 dead?

Sorry you must be in the wrong Thread, this Thread is about a Man on a Plane and people afraid of how he looks.

What thread are you discussing?

[Cigar]

We are gonna hear this $#@! now for months about how Muslims are our friends.

I'm sure people were saying the same thing about the Japanese in 1941 :laugh:

You Conservatives are too afraid to come out from under your Beds, so why do you need Guns?

[Mister D]

Get used to it, Habib.

[Matty]

Sorry you must be in the wrong Thread, this Thread is about a Man on a Plane and people afraid of how he looks.

What thread are you discussing?


This must be gonna affect Obama running for president huh?

[Matty]

I'm sure people were saying the same thing about the Japanese in 1941 :laugh:

You Conservatives are too afraid to come out from under your Beds, so why do you need Guns?


I keep my gun under the bed with me.

[Chris]

It's a shame, I think, but is the way Americans have reacted historically. When WWII broke out Germans were distrusted, even though my German grandfather had fought in WWI. And when japan attacked, we herded Japanese into camps.

H.W. Brands, The Strange Death of American Liberalism chronicles our habit to, while generally conservatively self-reliant and distrusting of government, in times of crisis to liberal unite in common cause against enemies, real and perceived. His book celebrates a return to conservatism, but it was published right before 9/11. (Don't put too much into the words conservatism, liberalism here.)

[donttread]

http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Dr-Bilal-Rana-speaks-to-ABC-News-via-screencap-800x430.png
Muslim anti-radicalism activist detained in Texas because airline passengers thought he looked scary

A Muslim anti-radicalization advocate was detained by authorities after landing at Houston’s Hobby Airport because other passengers on his flight from Newark thought he looked suspicious.

According to ABC News, Dr. Bilal Rana is an anesthesiologist who was returning home to Houston after a conference in New Jersey when he was taken into custody and interrogated.


After an hours-long ordeal — which took place on Nov. 15 — Rana wrote about his experience for Time magazine that told readers “I’m not your enemy. I’m your biggest ally.”

“To those who saw me as a threat,” he wrote:

“I hope you never know what it feels like to have a group of police officers single you out. I hope you never know what it is like to be frisked while standing in front of a plane full of passengers. I hope you never suffer the embarrassment of watching mothers hold their children tightly as you walk by them.

I hope you never feel the humiliation of having your belongings confiscated out of your hands, or being surrounded by cops who refer to you as ‘the subject’ on their walkie talkies. I hope you never have to, for the first time in your life, sit in the back of a police car.

I hope you get a chance to explain who you are before you are judged. I’m not your enemy. I’m your biggest ally.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/muslim-anti-radicalism-activist-detained-in-texas-because-airline-passengers-thought-he-looked-scary/


WTF, you'd think there would be enough Guns in Texas to handle one scary looking Muslim :laugh:




Ahh, the sheep panic as planned. Check out the increase in the public's acceptance of more war as it increases now

[Cigar]

It's a shame, I think, but is the way Americans have reacted historically. When WWII broke out Germans were distrusted, even though my German grandfather had fought in WWI. And when japan attacked, we herded Japanese into camps.

H.W. Brands, The Strange Death of American Liberalism chronicles our habit to, while generally conservatively self-reliant and distrusting of government, in times of crisis to liberal unite in common cause against enemies, real and perceived. His book celebrates a return to conservatism, but it was published right before 9/11. (Don't put too much into the words conservatism, liberalism here.)

I can somewhat understand how a Muslim child in the Middle East could hate America after getting Bomb after 911. But now we're pissing off American Muslims, and over 6k of them working and Fighting for The US Military.

WTF

[The Xl]

Everybody from evey angle is basically ridiculous. This country has peaked, it's been on the decline and is going to freefall rapidly.

[Matty]

Everybody from evey angle is basically ridiculous. This country has peaked, it's been on the decline and is going to freefall rapidly.


It has been in free fall for seven years.

[The Xl]

It has been in free fall for seven years.

Longer than that, and its going to get worse, regardless of what side occupies the white house this election, but I don't expect partisans to see past party lines.

[Matty]

Longer than that, and its going to get worse, regardless of what side occupies the white house this election, but I don't expect partisans to see past party lines.


Ten trillion in debt from all the presidents preceeding obummer. Ten trillion from obummer himself. Yep. Seven years.

[Cigar]

Ten trillion in debt from all the presidents preceeding obummer. Ten trillion from obummer himself. Yep. Seven years.

You just don't know what you want to b!tch about today. :laugh:

[Matty]

You just don't know what you want to b!tch about today. :laugh:


Bmlwa

[The Xl]

Ten trillion in debt from all the presidents preceeding obummer. Ten trillion from obummer himself. Yep. Seven years.
Like I said....

[The Xl]

You just don't know what you want to b!tch about today. :laugh:
I don't even know how you can be so confident in your responses when you can't even comprehend what you read.

[Matty]

Like I said....


Yes, but can you dispute the truth in it?

[The Xl]

Yes, but can you dispute the truth in it?
I can't dispute that Barack Obama has been an awful, abortion of a president,but I can most certainly despite your assertion that it started with him and is limited to him and the democrats.

[donttread]

I can't dispute that Barack Obama has been an awful, abortion of a president,but I can most certainly despite your assertion that it started with him and is limited to him and the democrats.

It's pretty telling that Bush and Obama acted practically the same. The tough Texas supposed conservative and the literal "peace prize pres" both bailed out the mega corps , made war and occupation, set spending and debt records and encroached on state's and individual rights.

[Cigar]

I don't even know how you can be so confident in your responses when you can't even comprehend what you read.

Practice and Talent, you should look into it.

[Chris]

I can somewhat understand how a Muslim child in the Middle East could hate America after getting Bomb after 911. But now we're pissing off American Muslims, and over 6k of them working and Fighting for The US Military.

WTF

Muslims aren't innocent either, no one is.

[Chris]

Everybody from evey angle is basically ridiculous. This country has peaked, it's been on the decline and is going to freefall rapidly.

Musical interlude...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i18nSZBgOfs

[The Xl]

Practice and Talent, you should look into it.

You practice not comprehending what you read?

[Cigar]

You practice not comprehending what you read?

Whatever you say ...

[Matty]

I can't dispute that Barack Obama has been an awful, abortion of a president,but I can most certainly despite your assertion that it started with him and is limited to him and the democrats.


Thatis is not what I said. I said precisely that the debt was ten trillion by all the presidents preceeding Obama and that Obama has added ten trillion by himself. Which adds up to twenty trillion.

[Cigar]

Thatis is not what I said. I said precisely that the debt was ten trillion by all the presidents preceeding Obama and that Obama has added ten trillion by himself. Which adds up to twenty trillion.

Ok you can Add

[Ethereal]

This country is quickly turning into a toxic police state full of bigoted, fearful cowards.

[Ethereal]

Get used to it, Habib.

Get used to what? Having their rights abused by a bunch of fearful, ignorant sheep?

[Matty]

Get used to what? Having their rights abused by a bunch of fearful, ignorant sheep?


Baaaaa!

[Ethereal]

I can't dispute that Barack Obama has been an awful, abortion of a president,but I can most certainly despite your assertion that it started with him and is limited to him and the democrats.

How dare you assign fault to everyone who is responsible instead of just blaming Obama. You must be one of those "rational" types.

[The Xl]

How dare you assign fault to everyone who is responsible instead of just blaming Obama. You must be one of those "rational" types.

Goddamn LIBrultarians

[Cigar]

This country is quickly turning into a toxic police state full of bigoted, fearful cowards.

But here's the thing, why are they so afraid? :huh:

They have their Guns to protect them. :huh:

[Ethereal]

Muslims aren't innocent either, no one is.

Muslims are not a monolithic borg-like entity that acts and thinks as one. They are over a billion individuals spread out across the entire planet, the majority of which are innocent of any crime.

[domer76]

Oh would you rather have yer widdle feelings hurt or be among the 14 dead?

^Winner. Stupid post du jour

[domer76]

I keep my gun under the bed with me.

That's because you are afraid

[Cigar]

I keep my gun under the bed with me.

Where do you keep your Man

[Ethereal]

But here's the thing, why are they so afraid? :huh:

They have their Guns to protect them. :huh:

This kind of toxic rhetoric and fear isn't limited to Republicans and conservatives:


Donald Trump’s “Ban Muslims” Proposal Is Wildly Dangerous But Not Far Outside the U.S. Mainstream (https://theintercept.com/2015/12/08/donald-trumps-ban-muslims-proposal-is-wildly-dangerous-but-not-far-outside-the-u-s-mainstream/)

Hours after a new poll revealed that he’s trailing Ted Cruz in Iowa, GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump issued a statement advocating “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our representatives can figure out what’s going on.” His spokesperson later clarified that this exclusion even includes Muslim-American citizens who are currently outside the U.S. On first glance, it seems accurate to view this, in the words of The Guardian, as “arguably the most extreme proposal to come from any U.S. presidential candidate in decades.”

Some comfortable journalists, however, quickly insisted that people were overreacting. “Before everyone gives up on the republic, remember that not even a single American has yet cast a vote for Trump,” said New York Times columnist Ross Douthat. The New York Daily News opinion page editor, Josh Greenman, was similarly blithe: “It’s a proposal to keep Muslims out of the U.S., made in a primary, being roundly condemned. We are a long way from internment camps.”

Given that an ISIS attack in Paris just helped fuel the sweeping election victory of an actually fascist party in France, it’s a bit mystifying how someone can be so sanguine about the likelihood of a Trump victory in the U.S. In fact, with a couple of even low-level ISIS attacks successfully carried out on American soil, it’s not at all hard to imagine. But Trump does not need to win, or even get close to winning, for his rhetoric and the movement that he’s stoking to be dangerous in the extreme.

Professional political analysts have underestimated Trump’s impact by failing to take into account his massive, long-standing cultural celebrity, which commands the attention of large numbers of Americans who usually ignore politics (which happens to be the majority of the population), which in turn generates enormous, highly charged crowds pulsating with grievance and rage. That means that even if he fails to win a single state, he’s powerfully poisoning public discourse about multiple marginalized minority groups: in particular, inciting and inflaming what was already volatile anti-Muslim animosity in the U.S.



FBI is investigating bloody pig's head left at Philadelphia mosque https://t.co/jwROcjur8U @NBCPhiladelphia

— NBC News (@NBCNews) December 8, 2015


As The Atlantic’s Matt Ford put it yesterday, “The immediate danger isn’t Trump’s actual policy, but the bigotry and violence that it both legitimizes and encourages.” Muslim Americans (and, for that matter, Mexican-Americans and African-Americans) don’t have the luxury that people like Douthat and Greenman have to be so dismissive. That’s what Al Jazeera’s Sana Saeed meant when she said that she’s “tired of people telling us to not be afraid — Trump may not win but his words will last & there are people who support” the bile he’s spewing.

All that said, it’s important not to treat Trump as some radical aberration. He’s essentially the American id, simply channeling pervasive sentiments unadorned with the typical diplomatic and PR niceties designed to prettify the prevailing mentality. He didn’t propose banning all Muslims from entering the U.S. because it’s grounded in some fringe, out-of-the-mainstream ideas. He proposed it in part to commandeer media attention so as to distract attention away from his rivals and from that latest Iowa poll, but he also proposed it because he knows there is widespread anti-Muslim fear and hatred in the U.S. Whatever else you want to say about him, Trump is a skillful entertainer, and good entertainers — like good fascist demagogues — know their audience.

Trump’s proposal yesterday, though a new low, is not that far afield from what other credible GOP presidential candidates previously proposed. Jeb Bush previously urged that the U.S. be wary of Syrian Muslim refugees but eagerly accept “proven Christians.” Ted Cruz advocated an outright ban on Syrian Muslim refugees and then introduced a bill to bar refugees from multiple predominantly Muslim countries unless they’re Christians. Ben Carson argued that no Muslim could be president because their beliefs are anathema to constitutional principles. Those proposals are more limited than what Trump advocated yesterday, but they’re hardly in a different universe; they’re grounded in the same principle that Muslims are uniquely dangerous and antithetical to American values.

Lest liberals become self-satisfied about all this, this obsession with demonizing Muslims is by no means confined to the GOP presidential field. Residing — or so they claim — outside the far-right and Fox News swamps, there’s a sprawling cottage industry of pundits, academics, authors, TV hosts, think tanks, and “anti-extremist” activist groups devoted primarily to one idea: that Islam is supremely dangerous and Muslims pose the greatest threat. Beloved Democratic Gen. Wesley Clark, while on MSNBC earlier this year, explicitly called for “camps” for radicalized American Muslims. CNN’s role in all this is legion.

These are the people who have laid the rancid intellectual groundwork in which Trump and his movement are now festering. Just yesterday, the Daily Beast’s supremely loyal Democratic partisan columnist Michael Tomasky — who in 2013 instructed us all to celebrate the Egyptian military coup of the brutal tyrant Abdel Fattah al-Sisi because it got rid of the democratically elected Muslim Brotherhood — repulsively demanded that American Muslims first prove they are loyal and can be trusted before they are “given” their rights.

Praising Obama (as always), this time for saying that religious fundamentalism is “a real problem that Muslims must confront, without excuse,” Tomasky wrote: “If anything Obama should have been more emphatic about this. He should now go around to Muslim communities in Detroit and Chicago and the Bay Area and upstate New York and give a speech that tells them: If you want to be treated with less suspicion, then you have to make that happen. That would be real leadership, and a real service.” The liberal pundit added, “That doesn’t mean just reading them their rights. It also means reading them their responsibilities.”

The imposition of this sort of collective responsibility — telling Muslims, as CNN anchors did after the Paris attacks, that they are all legitimately regarded with suspicion when individual Muslims engage in violence — is unthinkable for almost any other group. Indeed, it’s the defining hallmark of bigotry: imputing the bad acts of individuals to all members of a group or to the group itself. But it’s commonplace when it comes to discussions of Muslims.

It’s not hard to see why this demagoguery is so effective, why it spreads so easily and rapidly. Tribalism is a potent component of human nature, one of the most primitive and instinctive drives. Stoking it is and always has been easy. It’s particularly easy to do in an overwhelmingly Christian country that has spent 14 years and counting waging a relentless, seemingly endless war in predominantly Muslim countries and that touts Israel as its closest ally. Numerous factions have all sorts of lurking incentives to demonize Muslims as the greatest menace, and Trump has simply become an unusually unrestrained vehicle for expressing all of that and an unusually aggressive exploiter of it, but he is not its creator nor its prime mover.

All of this preexists Trump’s candidacy and is fueled by a wide array of groups with all sorts of cultural, religious, ideological, financial, and tribalistic motives for isolating and demonizing Muslims. Trump is not an outlier, and it’s dangerous to treat him as one.

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[Mac-7]

The divide between left and right in this country is wider than the Grand Canyon.

We no longer agree on anything.

[Cigar]

The divide between left and right in this country is wider than the Grand Canyon.

We no longer agree on anything.

I think we all agree; Donald Trump will never be President of The United States :laugh:

[nathanbforrest45]

I'm sure people were saying the same thing about the Japanese in 1941 :laugh:

You Conservatives are too afraid to come out from under your Beds, so why do you need Guns?

Are you saying the Japanese in 1941 were not a threat to the United States?

[Mister D]

Get used to what? Having their rights abused by a bunch of fearful, ignorant sheep?

Of people being wary of you. Sorry, but that's reality. There is a reason that happens to young black men and there is a reason it's happening now to Muslims. Oh well...

[nathanbforrest45]

Bmlwa


If that means what I think it means I am going to use it if you don't mind. Every time our resident racist makes an inane comment that will be my response.

[nathanbforrest45]

Muslims are not a monolithic borg-like entity that acts and thinks as one. They are over a billion individuals spread out across the entire planet, the majority of which are innocent of any crime.


Most would support a one world Muslim dominated government. 99 percent of all the wars being fought today involve Muslims in some role. Muslims are a cancer on the planet and should be eliminated.

[nathanbforrest45]

The divide between left and right in this country is wider than the Grand Canyon.

We no longer agree on anything.


I disagree with that statement.

[nathanbforrest45]

I think we all agree; Donald Trump will never be President of The United States :laugh:


Why not? You plan on having your relative with the 22 inch biceps take him out?

[Cigar]

Why not? You plan on having your relative with the 22 inch biceps take him out?

Naa, just the simple voting process, but nice try.

[Cigar]

http://i.imgur.com/SLvWBIC.jpg

[Common]

http://i.imgur.com/SLvWBIC.jpg



You should read this over and over and over again and when you think you have it memorized read it over and over and over again

[Ethereal]

Of people being wary of you. Sorry, but that's reality. There is a reason that happens to young black men and there is a reason it's happening now to Muslims. Oh well...

I don't think "reason" has much, if anything, to do with it.

[Ethereal]

Most would support a one world Muslim dominated government.

Evidence?


99 percent of all the wars being fought today involve Muslims in some role.

And western governments. Don't forget those nice, sweet people.


Muslims are a cancer on the planet and should be eliminated.

Whatever you say, Adolf.

[Mister D]

I don't think "reason" has much, if anything, to do with it.

If liberals would just learn that the world would be a better place.

[Ethereal]

If liberals would just learn that the world would be a better place.

Not sure what you mean.

[Mister D]

Not sure what you mean.

Enlightenment rationalism is a fundamental element of liberalism.

[Cigar]

Not sure what you mean.

Libs are learning that Cons ain't screwing fast enough to prevent their extinction

[Ethereal]

Enlightenment rationalism is a fundamental element of liberalism.

I know that, but what should liberals learn in order to make the world a better place?

[Professor Peabody]

I'm sure people were saying the same thing about the Japanese in 1941 Which President interred the Japanese into camps?

[Cigar]

Which President interred the Japanese into camps?

The Dead One

[leekohler2]

Muslims aren't innocent either, no one is.

Sure, but the man is this story was.

[Professor Peabody]

The Dead One Nice try........but no Cigar.......FDR Liberal Democrat Hero.