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Gypsy
12-12-2015, 09:08 PM
Jeb Bush
Ben Carson
Chris Christie
Ted Cruz
Carly Fiorina
Lindsey Graham
Mike Huckabee
John Kasich
George Pataki
Rand Paul
Marco Rubio
Rick Santorum
Donald Trump

Hillary Clinton
Martin O'Malley
Bernie Sanders

Jill Stein.

Captain Obvious
12-12-2015, 09:10 PM
Gary Johnson

gamewell45
12-12-2015, 09:15 PM
Probably write-in my name.

Green Arrow
12-12-2015, 09:42 PM
Bernie Sanders.

Peter1469
12-12-2015, 09:52 PM
Probably none of them. There is no good choice in that list.

Green Arrow
12-12-2015, 09:54 PM
Probably none of them. There is no good choice in that list.

I disagree. I see four good choices.

Cigar
12-12-2015, 09:58 PM
Hillary Clinton, for the joy of it.

Can you imagine what it's going to be like on this forum?

I can:laugh:

Cigar
12-12-2015, 09:59 PM
Probably none of them. There is no good choice in that list.


If I were you, I'd just stay home. :grin:

Peter1469
12-12-2015, 10:17 PM
I might. One thing does matter big time: up to 4 Supreme Court justices may retire over the next 4-8 years. If the Court has a solid liberal majority we are screwed.

Green Arrow
12-12-2015, 10:18 PM
I might. One thing does matter big time: up to 4 Supreme Court justices may retire over the next 4-8 years. If the Court has a solid liberal majority we are screwed.

If it has a solid conservative majority we are screwed. The SCOTUS justices are supposed to be non-partisan.

maineman
12-12-2015, 10:25 PM
the democrat

ThaiBoxer
12-13-2015, 01:52 AM
Bernie Sanders

Peter1469
12-13-2015, 08:12 AM
I would like to see Bernie as the Dem nominee. He represents democrat values better than the other candidates. Hillary is a political whore and the others only have regional recognition.

Ransom
12-13-2015, 08:21 AM
I would like to see Bernie as the Dem nominee. He represents democrat values better than the other candidates. Hillary is a political $#@! and the others only have regional recognition.

Who would you like see win the Republican nomination, Pete.

Captain Obvious
12-13-2015, 08:50 AM
the democrat

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/59712930.jpg

donttread
12-13-2015, 09:02 AM
Jeb Bush
Ben Carson
Chris Christie
Ted Cruz
Carly Fiorina
Lindsey Graham
Mike Huckabee
John Kasich
George Pataki
Rand Paul
Marco Rubio
Rick Santorum
Donald Trump

Hillary Clinton
Martin O'Malley
Bernie Sanders

Jill Stein.

Rand Paul

Ransom
12-13-2015, 09:05 AM
Rand Paul

A Republican? :shocked:

Mac-7
12-13-2015, 09:14 AM
I would like to see Bernie as the Dem nominee. He represents democrat values better than the other candidates. Hillary is a political $#@! and the others only have regional recognition.

I agree that an economic fascist like Bernie represents the democrat party

Bo-4
12-13-2015, 09:15 AM
Bernie

PolWatch
12-13-2015, 09:18 AM
I would vote for Bernie....otherwise, I will stay home and organize my spice cabinet.

Ransom
12-13-2015, 09:28 AM
Bernie has no chance and all of ewe will dutifully stroll up and yank lever for Hillary. Trust me, the spice cabinet will remain unorganized.

Adelaide
12-13-2015, 09:52 AM
Stein, Kasich or Fiorina. Stein best represents my views but realising that this is likely going to be a Republican win, if I had to pick a Republican it would be Fiorina or Kasich. I don't agree on certain issues with them, but I can look beyond my disgust over a few of their positions (social issues) to recognize that I do agree with them on other issues (economy, foreign policy, so forth).

Needless to say, I wouldn't be voting for the winner, lol.

Tahuyaman
12-13-2015, 10:06 AM
Gary Johnson


And as long as he's the candidate, the Libertarian party will be immaterial.

Tahuyaman
12-13-2015, 10:09 AM
Hillary Clinton, for the joy of it.

Can you imagine what it's going to be like on this forum?

I can:laugh:

Seeing as Obama has reset the bar so low, it's impossible for her to set it even lower. His incompetence will never be matched.

Tahuyaman
12-13-2015, 10:17 AM
I might. One thing does matter big time: up to 4 Supreme Court justices may retire over the next 4-8 years. If the Court has a solid liberal majority we are screwed.

Don't ask me to name them, but there are a few liberals who actually do respect the US Constitution.

Also, a conservative legislative branch can limit or minimize the damage potentially caused by a far left wing president.

donttread
12-13-2015, 10:21 AM
A Republican? :shocked:

In name only.

Tahuyaman
12-13-2015, 10:22 AM
Bernie has no chance and all of ewe will dutifully stroll up and yank lever for Hillary. Trust me, the spice cabinet will remain unorganized.


Sanders has has already been dispatched into the category of the irrelevant. He's done. He knows it.

I don't believe that he was ever a serious candidate in the first place. He was only there to present the dishonest illusion that Hillary Clinton survived a tough battle for the nomination.

His candidacy was / is a scam.

Peter1469
12-13-2015, 10:55 AM
Who would you like see win the Republican nomination, Pete.

I am not too excited about any of them. But I have no dog in that hunt. I left the GOP in 2006 because they were spending like drunken democrats.

Peter1469
12-13-2015, 10:58 AM
Don't ask me to name them, but there are a few liberals who actually do respect the US Constitution.

Also, a conservative legislative branch can limit or minimize the damage potentially caused by a far left wing president.

Yes. So far as domestic policy goes, Congress has much more power than the president.

silvereyes
12-13-2015, 10:58 AM
I would vote for Bernie....otherwise, I will stay home and organize my spice cabinet.

Like mine: instead of a to z mine are hot to trots. ;)

Ransom
12-13-2015, 11:04 AM
I am not too excited about any of them. But I have no dog in that hunt. I left the GOP in 2006 because they were spending like drunken democrats.

2006 saw majority dem house and Senate, please.

Peter1469
12-13-2015, 11:09 AM
2006 saw majority dem house and Senate, please.

Did Bush veto the spending bills?

Tahuyaman
12-13-2015, 11:20 AM
Did Bush veto the spending bills?

could his veto stand under a Democrat controlled congress?

Green Arrow
12-13-2015, 11:31 AM
could his veto stand under a Democrat controlled congress?

Doesn't matter. If he didn't veto it, he is just as responsible.

Peter1469
12-13-2015, 11:34 AM
could his veto stand under a Democrat controlled congress?

Was it controlled by the Dems? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/109th_United_States_Congress)




Members:
100 Senators
435 Representatives
5 Non-voting members


Senate Majority (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_leaders_of_the_United_States_Senate):
Republican Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States))


House Majority (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_leaders_of_the_United_States_House_of_Repres entatives):
Republican Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States))

Tahuyaman
12-13-2015, 11:35 AM
You're Telling us that Bush had a Republican controlled legislative branch with a veto proof majority for his eight years in office?

Tahuyaman
12-13-2015, 11:53 AM
Doesn't matter. If he didn't veto it, he is just as responsible.

Bush's liberal spending policies were a huge disappointment. Bush represented himself as a fiscal conservative while campaingning, but governed as a spend happy liberal. Bush was a "big government Republican". He had very few disagreements with the left on many issues.

Mac-7
12-13-2015, 12:01 PM
Bush's liberal spending policies were a huge disappointment. Bush represented himself as a fiscal conservative while campaingning, but governed as a spend happy liberal. Bush was a "big government Republican". He had very few disagreements with the left on many issues.

Bush labeled himself as a compassionate conservative

Meaning he supported big social spending programs

maineman
12-13-2015, 12:03 PM
You're Telling us that Bush had a Republican controlled legislative branch with a veto proof majority for his eight years in office?

does not having a veto proof majority somehow prevent a president from vetoing legislation with which he disagrees?

Tahuyaman
12-13-2015, 12:04 PM
Bush labeled himself as a compassionate conservative

Meaning he supported big social spending programs


The beauty of the slogan "compassionate conservatism" is that it can mean anything the receiver wants it to mean. It's definition was locked in jello vs locked in stone.

Tahuyaman
12-13-2015, 12:07 PM
does not having a veto proof majority somehow prevent a president from vetoing legislation with which he disagrees?.

Of course. Often times a president does not want to look weak by having a veto overridden. That is a political fact. Is this really news to you?

Mac-7
12-13-2015, 12:11 PM
The beauty of the slogan "compassionate conservatism" is that it can mean anything the receiver wants it to mean. It's definition was locked in jello vs locked in stone.

To American moderates/liberals compassion is measured by how much government spending for the poor you support

And the Bush family are all northeastern Rockefeller liberals

maineman
12-13-2015, 12:13 PM
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Of course. Often times a president does not want to look weak by having a veto overridden. That is a political fact. Is this really news to you?

often times a good president will veto a bill to show the country that he stands on his principles. Is that really news to you?

maineman
12-13-2015, 12:16 PM
Reagan never had a veto proof majority yet he vetoed 39 bills, and pocket vetoed an equal amount.

Tahuyaman
12-13-2015, 12:30 PM
often times a good president will veto a bill to show the country that he stands on his principles. Is that really news to you?


Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't have the political courage to do that. Agree?

I think you know that, but are just looking for a way to argue.

Tahuyaman
12-13-2015, 12:32 PM
Reagan never had a veto proof majority yet he vetoed 39 bills, and pocket vetoed an equal amount.


Ronald Reagan was a once in a lifetime like leader too. You can't compare Bush to the greatest president since Lincoln.

Green Arrow
12-13-2015, 12:46 PM
Ronald Reagan was a once in a lifetime like leader too. You can't compare Bush to the greatest president since Lincoln.

Reagan wasn't the greatest president since Lincoln. Calvin Coolidge and Theodore Roosevelt were both better.

maineman
12-13-2015, 12:47 PM
your opinion as to the stature of Reagan in the pantheon of presidents does not make it factual.

Tahuyaman
12-13-2015, 01:04 PM
Reagan wasn't the greatest president since Lincoln. Calvin Coolidge and Theodore Roosevelt were both better.


Nope. Both of your examples were mediocre president's at best. I'm guessing that you were joking anyway. That could not have been a serious response.

Chris
12-13-2015, 01:36 PM
Maybe I could vote for Gary Johnson. Not sure he's libertarian enough.

Tahuyaman
12-13-2015, 01:40 PM
To American moderates/liberals compassion is measured by how much government spending for the poor you support

And the Bush family are all northeastern Rockefeller liberals


Conservatives define compassion by how many people do not need government assistance

Mac-7
12-13-2015, 02:14 PM
Conservatives define compassion by how many people do not need government assistance

I agree

What welfare has done is condition people on the margin to settle for whatever government is able to give them

And many never advance beyond total dependence on the welfare/handout state

Cigar
12-13-2015, 02:19 PM
I rest my case ... :laugh:

Chris
12-13-2015, 02:27 PM
I rest my case ... :laugh:

What's your case?

Peter1469
12-13-2015, 03:51 PM
You're Telling us that Bush had a Republican controlled legislative branch with a veto proof majority for his eight years in office? No.

The link that I provided indicates that the chart represents the 109th Congress, which covered the dates Jan 3, 2005 through Jan 3, 2007.

sachem
12-13-2015, 03:59 PM
Sanders. But more realistically, Hillary. Watching the right go apeshit will be worth it. She can't be any worse than what we have had.

Tahuyaman
12-13-2015, 04:34 PM
I agree

What welfare has done is condition people on the margin to settle for whatever government is able to give them

And many never advance beyond total dependence on the welfare/handout state

Welfare has created a dependent class. That's by design.

suds00
12-13-2015, 04:37 PM
this may become a watershed election or everyone will implode.maybe both

Cigar
12-13-2015, 04:42 PM
Welfare has created a dependent class. That's by design.

I wonder why Slave Owners depended on Slaves to do work for them? Weren't they capable and smart enough of farming their own lands?

Cigar
12-13-2015, 04:43 PM
this may become a watershed election or everyone will implode.maybe both

I think Demographics will prevail

Tahuyaman
12-13-2015, 04:46 PM
I wonder why Slave Owners depended on Slaves to do work for them? Weren't they capable and smart enough of farming their own lands?

Welfare is related to slavery. You're showing good insight there. Nice job.

Cigar
12-13-2015, 04:50 PM
Welfare is related to slavery. You're showing good insight there. Nice job.

I just asked a legitimate question, why was there a dependency, it's just cotton. I'm sure with their superior intellect, they were capable of picking cotton without depending on someone else to do it for them.

Crepitus
12-13-2015, 04:54 PM
If I had to vote, and couldn't just abstain, it would have to be Sanders.

Bob
12-13-2015, 04:56 PM
Jeb Bush
Ben Carson
Chris Christie
Ted Cruz
Carly Fiorina
Lindsey Graham
Mike Huckabee
John Kasich
George Pataki
Rand Paul
Marco Rubio
Rick Santorum
Donald Trump

Hillary Clinton
Martin O'Malley
Bernie Sanders

Jill Stein.

Voted in red.

Cigar
12-13-2015, 05:01 PM
If I had to vote, and couldn't just abstain, it would have to be Sanders.

I don't think Republicans or Democrats can handle Da-Bern

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61jL4hX24CL._UX385_.jpg

Cigar
12-13-2015, 05:02 PM
Voted in red.

Actually I think John Kasich is highly capable of being President.

Crepitus
12-13-2015, 05:06 PM
I don't think Republicans or Democrats can handle Da-Bern

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61jL4hX24CL._UX385_.jpg

I'm sure we will all feel the burn if he is elected but he's the best of a bad lot.

Cigar
12-13-2015, 05:08 PM
I'm sure we will all feel the burn if he is elected but he's the best of a bad lot.

I've stopped making Gloom and Doom predictions, they never come true.

Crepitus
12-13-2015, 05:15 PM
I've stopped making Gloom and Doom predictions, they never come true.

Would be nice if it works out that way.

Bob
12-13-2015, 05:18 PM
I would vote for Bernie....otherwise, I will stay home and organize my spice cabinet.

No surprise here. I knew all along which way the door swung. And it was not for republicans.

PolWatch
12-13-2015, 05:18 PM
I didn't believe Trump would last past October but he seems to have a real chance at the repub nomination.....I just don't see sensible people voting for him....but what do I know? I figured he would have crashed and burned before now.

Bob
12-13-2015, 05:19 PM
Actually I think John Kasich is highly capable of being President.

Qualifications do matter for me and apparently I have support.

Cigar
12-13-2015, 05:21 PM
I didn't believe Trump would last past October but he seems to have a real chance at the repub nomination.....I just don't see sensible people voting for him....but what do I know? I figured he would have crashed and burned before now.

Don't try to confuse sensibility with anything involving this Election season.

I Garnette there are many who don't like Trump, but they Love what he's saying and that 'Trumps' everything.

Cigar
12-13-2015, 05:23 PM
Qualifications do matter for me and apparently I have support.

He will not get down in the dirt and lower his standards to become president, and that should count for something.

Bob
12-13-2015, 05:23 PM
Stein, Kasich or Fiorina. Stein best represents my views but realising that this is likely going to be a Republican win, if I had to pick a Republican it would be Fiorina or Kasich. I don't agree on certain issues with them, but I can look beyond my disgust over a few of their positions (social issues) to recognize that I do agree with them on other issues (economy, foreign policy, so forth).

Needless to say, I wouldn't be voting for the winner, lol.

If this was next July, you might be right that they could not win. But it is very early. Kasich could win and take Carly with him. Stein has no chance as too few know her.

I have step kids with the last name Stein. LMAO None vote for anybody.

Cigar
12-13-2015, 05:29 PM
You would think that even seasoned, life long and die hard racist could eventually be able to tell when they are getting played for as fools.

But that may takes some smarts.

Tahuyaman
12-13-2015, 09:23 PM
I just asked a legitimate question, why was there a dependency, it's just cotton. I'm sure with their superior intellect, they were capable of picking cotton without depending on someone else to do it for them.


You didn't ask a legit question. You just made a freaking dumb comment.

donttread
12-13-2015, 09:35 PM
Bush labeled himself as a compassionate conservative

Meaning he supported big social spending programs


Mostly the further federalization of education

Ransom
12-14-2015, 09:05 AM
In name only.

Who woulda thunk it? Like your arguments, your vote is all over the board.

You're too embarrassed to admit your vote. That's going to Hillary. End of story.

Ransom
12-14-2015, 09:06 AM
You didn't ask a legit question. You just made a freaking dumb comment.

Bears sh1t in the woods too. Every day.

Ransom
12-14-2015, 09:07 AM
I'm sure we will all feel the burn if he is elected but he's the best of a bad lot.

And if he don't win the Dem nomination? And he won't....what day do you become a Hillary supporter?

Cigar
12-14-2015, 09:08 AM
Bears sh1t in the woods too. Every day.

Well they sure as hell sh!t on the Football field a lot. :laugh:

Cigar
12-14-2015, 09:10 AM
And if he don't win the Dem nomination? And he won't....what day do you become a Hillary supporter?

Everyone going to have choices, no different than any other Presidential Election.

Just hold your nose and Vote

Jets
12-14-2015, 09:21 AM
Gary Johnson

Crepitus
12-14-2015, 09:26 AM
And if he don't win the Dem nomination? And he won't....what day do you become a Hillary supporter?
I don't. You might be a mindless party line voter but I'm not.

Tahuyaman
12-14-2015, 11:15 AM
Bears sh1t in the woods too. Every day.

not when they are hibernating.