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whatukno
12-15-2015, 07:05 PM
Is there any question anymore that conservatives hate freedom? That the mainstream conservative ideology is now fascism? That those that profess to be conservatives why do so many appear to identify with the fascist movement of the early 20th century?

These are the people that tried to pass constitutional amendments against two consenting adults marrying each other. These are the people that want to shut down all mosques, denying the first amendment guaranteed freedom of religion to an entire people just because they are of the wrong religion.

These people actually want concentration camps for people they see as the enemy, both people of the wrong ethnic group, and people of the wrong religious group.

What is it going to take for the people to understand that the right wing ideology, and motivation is that of fascism?

I heard a right wing commentator on the radio today ask the question how many Americans have to die before we have an all out war with Islam. Not even differentiating between radical Islam and the billion and so people who practice Islam who have absolutely no interest in harming anyone. They want a war with Islam. Amazingly, and astoundingly, they cite a need for a war on every single person who practices Islam, but yet, they turn a blind eye to the thousands of Americans that are killed each and every year by law abiding gun owners. (remember, to the conservative right, only black people in New York, Chicago, Detroit, and LA, ever commit gun crime, no white people ever commit any gun crime at all) And when they talk about gun crime in this country, black people are the ONLY demographic they recognize. (again, as if these human beings born in this country to parents that were born in this country, etc aren't actually American because of the color of their skin)

Yet, the thousands of people killed in this country by their fellow Americans, is NOT a matter for discussion. They will NOT even offer ANY idea how to curb gun violence in this country. Not one idea, instead they try and foist this issue off onto liberals, insisting that liberals come up with the solution to gun crime and violence, just so they can reject it outright.

Their go to question comes directly from Rush Limbaugh, "What would Liberals do to prevent gun crime and violence?" they aren't going to offer up anything themselves, they want Liberals to come up with the solution so they can reject it. Even though, logic dictates that the proponents of guns for everyone should be the ones that introduce ideas to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, the mentally ill and terrorists. They won't, because they want the liberal scapegoat to cry about taking away gun freedom in this country. All the while, they try and take the freedoms away from their fellow Americans be it voting rights through stricter voter ID laws to solve a problem that doesn't actually exist, or actually insisting that Muslim Americans be registered in a national database based only on their religion. Or passing draconian laws that allow police to detain Americans for the sole crime of being hispanic and forcing them to prove their innocence by proving they were actually born or legally immigrated into this country.

The sad fact of the matter is, Conservatives today are running down the same train the NAZI party did in Germany pre WWII. Everything they are doing is a damn play by play of the rise of the Third Reich. The xenophobia, the propaganda, the laws they try and pass. And worse still, they have people who blindly follow every horrible idea they come up with without question.

Fascism has come to America, it's draped in the flag, carrying a bible and a gun. and the right wing loves it, they eat it up, and if they get their way, freedom in this country will depend only on your bank account, the lack of melanin in your skin, and the correct version of Abrahamic faith you follow. Good luck to the rest of the citizens of this country, if you are lucky you will end up in jail, otherwise, who knows what these psychopaths will do.

This country has gone far too right in the last 30 years. it needs a balance, we need to elect some real liberals to office, not these middle ground liberals, but some real liberals just to even things out. Liberals today are just like conservatives prior to Reagan's election. That's how far right this country has gone. Reagan used to be viewed as extreme right wing, today, I doubt that he would even get a percentage point in the polls.

Chris
12-15-2015, 07:09 PM
All the favorite memes of the left in one post.

Right now I'd say the country leans left. With a threat of moving populist with the sort of rhetoric above and from Trump.

MisterVeritis
12-15-2015, 07:12 PM
Kooky.
Up is down. Left is right.

Mark III
12-15-2015, 07:17 PM
Ask yourselves why conservatives are two or three times more afraid of Muslims and terrorism than Democrats are (and the new Gallup and NBC polls indicate just that). Jihadists dont attack just Republicans or just democrats.

Fear of terrorism and Muslims is the linchpin rationale for a religious war, and religion , evangelical Christianity , is the linchpin of the political right.

decedent
12-15-2015, 07:20 PM
Ask yourselves why conservatives are two or three times more afraid of Muslims and terrorism than Democrats are (and the new Gallup and NBC polls indicate just that). Jihadists dont attack just Republicans or just democrats.

How do you know a boat full of jihadists isn't headed to America right now? We must stay afraid.

Peter1469
12-15-2015, 07:20 PM
Is there any question anymore that conservatives hate freedom? That the mainstream conservative ideology is now fascism? That those that profess to be conservatives why do so many appear to identify with the fascist movement of the early 20th century?

These are the people that tried to pass constitutional amendments against two consenting adults marrying each other. These are the people that want to shut down all mosques, denying the first amendment guaranteed freedom of religion to an entire people just because they are of the wrong religion.

These people actually want concentration camps for people they see as the enemy, both people of the wrong ethnic group, and people of the wrong religious group.

What is it going to take for the people to understand that the right wing ideology, and motivation is that of fascism?

I heard a right wing commentator on the radio today ask the question how many Americans have to die before we have an all out war with Islam. Not even differentiating between radical Islam and the billion and so people who practice Islam who have absolutely no interest in harming anyone. They want a war with Islam. Amazingly, and astoundingly, they cite a need for a war on every single person who practices Islam, but yet, they turn a blind eye to the thousands of Americans that are killed each and every year by law abiding gun owners. (remember, to the conservative right, only black people in New York, Chicago, Detroit, and LA, ever commit gun crime, no white people ever commit any gun crime at all) And when they talk about gun crime in this country, black people are the ONLY demographic they recognize. (again, as if these human beings born in this country to parents that were born in this country, etc aren't actually American because of the color of their skin)

Yet, the thousands of people killed in this country by their fellow Americans, is NOT a matter for discussion. They will NOT even offer ANY idea how to curb gun violence in this country. Not one idea, instead they try and foist this issue off onto liberals, insisting that liberals come up with the solution to gun crime and violence, just so they can reject it outright.

Their go to question comes directly from Rush Limbaugh, "What would Liberals do to prevent gun crime and violence?" they aren't going to offer up anything themselves, they want Liberals to come up with the solution so they can reject it. Even though, logic dictates that the proponents of guns for everyone should be the ones that introduce ideas to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, the mentally ill and terrorists. They won't, because they want the liberal scapegoat to cry about taking away gun freedom in this country. All the while, they try and take the freedoms away from their fellow Americans be it voting rights through stricter voter ID laws to solve a problem that doesn't actually exist, or actually insisting that Muslim Americans be registered in a national database based only on their religion. Or passing draconian laws that allow police to detain Americans for the sole crime of being hispanic and forcing them to prove their innocence by proving they were actually born or legally immigrated into this country.

The sad fact of the matter is, Conservatives today are running down the same train the NAZI party did in Germany pre WWII. Everything they are doing is a damn play by play of the rise of the Third Reich. The xenophobia, the propaganda, the laws they try and pass. And worse still, they have people who blindly follow every horrible idea they come up with without question.

Fascism has come to America, it's draped in the flag, carrying a bible and a gun. and the right wing loves it, they eat it up, and if they get their way, freedom in this country will depend only on your bank account, the lack of melanin in your skin, and the correct version of Abrahamic faith you follow. Good luck to the rest of the citizens of this country, if you are lucky you will end up in jail, otherwise, who knows what these psychopaths will do.

This country has gone far too right in the last 30 years. it needs a balance, we need to elect some real liberals to office, not these middle ground liberals, but some real liberals just to even things out. Liberals today are just like conservatives prior to Reagan's election. That's how far right this country has gone. Reagan used to be viewed as extreme right wing, today, I doubt that he would even get a percentage point in the polls.

Fascism is to the right of communism and totalitarianism. Which are you?

MisterVeritis
12-15-2015, 07:21 PM
Ask yourselves why conservatives are two or three times more afraid of Muslims and terrorism than Democrats are (and the new Gallup and NBC polls indicate just that). Jihadists dont attack just Republicans or just democrats.

Fear of terrorism and Muslims is the linchpin rationale for a religious war, and religion , evangelical Christianity , is the linchpin of the political right.
We have the ability to reason, think and see. We are realistic. Liberals are not. You see future democratic voters. We see mayhem from a political-religious governing system that is antithetical to our form of government. Why bring in scorpions to sting us?

Chris
12-15-2015, 07:22 PM
Ask yourselves why conservatives are two or three times more afraid of Muslims and terrorism than Democrats are (and the new Gallup and NBC polls indicate just that). Jihadists dont attack just Republicans or just democrats.

Fear of terrorism and Muslims is the linchpin rationale for a religious war, and religion , evangelical Christianity , is the linchpin of the political right.

Why are liberals so afraid of guns?

MisterVeritis
12-15-2015, 07:24 PM
Fascism is to the right of communism and totalitarianism. Which are you?
This is not true. Fascism is just one more authoritarian statist tactic. One one side of the divide there are all of the tactics, liberalism, Progressivism, national socialism, international socialism, libertarian-leftism... On the other side are those who support individual liberty and freedom. Left and Right are just not very helpful anymore.

Green Arrow
12-15-2015, 07:53 PM
Is there any question anymore that conservatives hate freedom?

For any logical person that isn't a wide-eyed nutjob, absolutely.

Green Arrow
12-15-2015, 07:54 PM
Ask yourselves why conservatives are two or three times more afraid of Muslims and terrorism than Democrats are (and the new Gallup and NBC polls indicate just that). Jihadists dont attack just Republicans or just democrats.

Fear of terrorism and Muslims is the linchpin rationale for a religious war, and religion , evangelical Christianity , is the linchpin of the political right.

Why do you constantly put spaces between punctuation?

Peter1469
12-15-2015, 08:21 PM
This is not true. Fascism is just one more authoritarian statist tactic. One one side of the divide there are all of the tactics, liberalism, Progressivism, national socialism, international socialism, libertarian-leftism... On the other side are those who support individual liberty and freedom. Left and Right are just not very helpful anymore.

It is left in the political model that I use for general discussion.

Bob
12-15-2015, 08:22 PM
Ask yourselves why conservatives are two or three times more afraid of Muslims and terrorism than Democrats are (and the new Gallup and NBC polls indicate just that). Jihadists dont attack just Republicans or just democrats.

Fear of terrorism and Muslims is the linchpin rationale for a religious war, and religion , evangelical Christianity , is the linchpin of the political right.

Why is it that post 911, Democrats blamed Bush for the Muslim attacks?

If we are to think of them as kind people, but fear them to defend against them, that is a bad dream.

The OP pretends to speak for conservatives but did a lousy job talking for us.

donttread
12-15-2015, 08:24 PM
Is there any question anymore that conservatives hate freedom? That the mainstream conservative ideology is now fascism? That those that profess to be conservatives why do so many appear to identify with the fascist movement of the early 20th century?

These are the people that tried to pass constitutional amendments against two consenting adults marrying each other. These are the people that want to shut down all mosques, denying the first amendment guaranteed freedom of religion to an entire people just because they are of the wrong religion.

These people actually want concentration camps for people they see as the enemy, both people of the wrong ethnic group, and people of the wrong religious group.

What is it going to take for the people to understand that the right wing ideology, and motivation is that of fascism?

I heard a right wing commentator on the radio today ask the question how many Americans have to die before we have an all out war with Islam. Not even differentiating between radical Islam and the billion and so people who practice Islam who have absolutely no interest in harming anyone. They want a war with Islam. Amazingly, and astoundingly, they cite a need for a war on every single person who practices Islam, but yet, they turn a blind eye to the thousands of Americans that are killed each and every year by law abiding gun owners. (remember, to the conservative right, only black people in New York, Chicago, Detroit, and LA, ever commit gun crime, no white people ever commit any gun crime at all) And when they talk about gun crime in this country, black people are the ONLY demographic they recognize. (again, as if these human beings born in this country to parents that were born in this country, etc aren't actually American because of the color of their skin)

Yet, the thousands of people killed in this country by their fellow Americans, is NOT a matter for discussion. They will NOT even offer ANY idea how to curb gun violence in this country. Not one idea, instead they try and foist this issue off onto liberals, insisting that liberals come up with the solution to gun crime and violence, just so they can reject it outright.

Their go to question comes directly from Rush Limbaugh, "What would Liberals do to prevent gun crime and violence?" they aren't going to offer up anything themselves, they want Liberals to come up with the solution so they can reject it. Even though, logic dictates that the proponents of guns for everyone should be the ones that introduce ideas to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, the mentally ill and terrorists. They won't, because they want the liberal scapegoat to cry about taking away gun freedom in this country. All the while, they try and take the freedoms away from their fellow Americans be it voting rights through stricter voter ID laws to solve a problem that doesn't actually exist, or actually insisting that Muslim Americans be registered in a national database based only on their religion. Or passing draconian laws that allow police to detain Americans for the sole crime of being hispanic and forcing them to prove their innocence by proving they were actually born or legally immigrated into this country.

The sad fact of the matter is, Conservatives today are running down the same train the NAZI party did in Germany pre WWII. Everything they are doing is a damn play by play of the rise of the Third Reich. The xenophobia, the propaganda, the laws they try and pass. And worse still, they have people who blindly follow every horrible idea they come up with without question.

Fascism has come to America, it's draped in the flag, carrying a bible and a gun. and the right wing loves it, they eat it up, and if they get their way, freedom in this country will depend only on your bank account, the lack of melanin in your skin, and the correct version of Abrahamic faith you follow. Good luck to the rest of the citizens of this country, if you are lucky you will end up in jail, otherwise, who knows what these psychopaths will do.

This country has gone far too right in the last 30 years. it needs a balance, we need to elect some real liberals to office, not these middle ground liberals, but some real liberals just to even things out. Liberals today are just like conservatives prior to Reagan's election. That's how far right this country has gone. Reagan used to be viewed as extreme right wing, today, I doubt that he would even get a percentage point in the polls.

The people simply need to know there own Constitution and abide by it rather any law which usurps individual or states righs

Cletus
12-15-2015, 08:30 PM
"whatukno"... obviously not much.

domer76
12-15-2015, 10:34 PM
Ask yourselves why conservatives are two or three times more afraid of Muslims and terrorism than Democrats are (and the new Gallup and NBC polls indicate just that). Jihadists dont attack just Republicans or just democrats.

Fear of terrorism and Muslims is the linchpin rationale for a religious war, and religion , evangelical Christianity , is the linchpin of the political right.

Conservatives are just two or three times more afraid. Period.

Enlarged amygdalas, most probably.

Tahuyaman
12-15-2015, 11:53 PM
Is there any question anymore that conservatives hate freedom? That the mainstream conservative ideology is now fascism? That those that profess to be conservatives why do so many appear to identify with the fascist movement of the early 20th century?

These are the people that tried to pass constitutional amendments against two consenting adults marrying each other. These are the people that want to shut down all mosques, denying the first amendment guaranteed freedom of religion to an entire people just because they are of the wrong religion.

These people actually want concentration camps for people they see as the enemy, both people of the wrong ethnic group, and people of the wrong religious group.

What is it going to take for the people to understand that the right wing ideology, and motivation is that of fascism?

I heard a right wing commentator on the radio today ask the question how many Americans have to die before we have an all out war with Islam. Not even differentiating between radical Islam and the billion and so people who practice Islam who have absolutely no interest in harming anyone. They want a war with Islam. Amazingly, and astoundingly, they cite a need for a war on every single person who practices Islam, but yet, they turn a blind eye to the thousands of Americans that are killed each and every year by law abiding gun owners. (remember, to the conservative right, only black people in New York, Chicago, Detroit, and LA, ever commit gun crime, no white people ever commit any gun crime at all) And when they talk about gun crime in this country, black people are the ONLY demographic they recognize. (again, as if these human beings born in this country to parents that were born in this country, etc aren't actually American because of the color of their skin)

Yet, the thousands of people killed in this country by their fellow Americans, is NOT a matter for discussion. They will NOT even offer ANY idea how to curb gun violence in this country. Not one idea, instead they try and foist this issue off onto liberals, insisting that liberals come up with the solution to gun crime and violence, just so they can reject it outright.

Their go to question comes directly from Rush Limbaugh, "What would Liberals do to prevent gun crime and violence?" they aren't going to offer up anything themselves, they want Liberals to come up with the solution so they can reject it. Even though, logic dictates that the proponents of guns for everyone should be the ones that introduce ideas to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, the mentally ill and terrorists. They won't, because they want the liberal scapegoat to cry about taking away gun freedom in this country. All the while, they try and take the freedoms away from their fellow Americans be it voting rights through stricter voter ID laws to solve a problem that doesn't actually exist, or actually insisting that Muslim Americans be registered in a national database based only on their religion. Or passing draconian laws that allow police to detain Americans for the sole crime of being hispanic and forcing them to prove their innocence by proving they were actually born or legally immigrated into this country.

The sad fact of the matter is, Conservatives today are running down the same train the NAZI party did in Germany pre WWII. Everything they are doing is a damn play by play of the rise of the Third Reich. The xenophobia, the propaganda, the laws they try and pass. And worse still, they have people who blindly follow every horrible idea they come up with without question.

Fascism has come to America, it's draped in the flag, carrying a bible and a gun. and the right wing loves it, they eat it up, and if they get their way, freedom in this country will depend only on your bank account, the lack of melanin in your skin, and the correct version of Abrahamic faith you follow. Good luck to the rest of the citizens of this country, if you are lucky you will end up in jail, otherwise, who knows what these psychopaths will do.

This country has gone far too right in the last 30 years. it needs a balance, we need to elect some real liberals to office, not these middle ground liberals, but some real liberals just to even things out. Liberals today are just like conservatives prior to Reagan's election. That's how far right this country has gone. Reagan used to be viewed as extreme right wing, today, I doubt that he would even get a percentage point in the polls.

Is there any question that left wingers can't tolerate diversity of opinion?

HoneyBadger
12-16-2015, 12:08 AM
Is there any question anymore that conservatives hate freedom? That the mainstream conservative ideology is now fascism? That those that profess to be conservatives why do so many appear to identify with the fascist movement of the early 20th century?




You're not really interested in actual discussion, are you? :rollseyes:

Mac-7
12-16-2015, 03:04 AM
Is there any question anymore that conservatives hate freedom? That the mainstream conservative ideology is now fascism? That those that profess to be conservatives why do so many appear to identify with the fascist movement of the early 20th century?

These are the people that tried to pass constitutional amendments against two consenting adults marrying each other. These are the people that want to shut down all mosques, denying the first amendment guaranteed freedom of religion to an entire people just because they are of the wrong religion.

These people actually want concentration camps for people they see as the enemy, both people of the wrong ethnic group, and people of the wrong religious group.

What is it going to take for the people to understand that the right wing ideology, and motivation is that of fascism?

I heard a right wing commentator on the radio today ask the question how many Americans have to die before we have an all out war with Islam. Not even differentiating between radical Islam and the billion and so people who practice Islam who have absolutely no interest in harming anyone. They want a war with Islam. Amazingly, and astoundingly, they cite a need for a war on every single person who practices Islam, but yet, they turn a blind eye to the thousands of Americans that are killed each and every year by law abiding gun owners. (remember, to the conservative right, only black people in New York, Chicago, Detroit, and LA, ever commit gun crime, no white people ever commit any gun crime at all) And when they talk about gun crime in this country, black people are the ONLY demographic they recognize. (again, as if these human beings born in this country to parents that were born in this country, etc aren't actually American because of the color of their skin)

Yet, the thousands of people killed in this country by their fellow Americans, is NOT a matter for discussion. They will NOT even offer ANY idea how to curb gun violence in this country. Not one idea, instead they try and foist this issue off onto liberals, insisting that liberals come up with the solution to gun crime and violence, just so they can reject it outright.

Their go to question comes directly from Rush Limbaugh, "What would Liberals do to prevent gun crime and violence?" they aren't going to offer up anything themselves, they want Liberals to come up with the solution so they can reject it. Even though, logic dictates that the proponents of guns for everyone should be the ones that introduce ideas to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, the mentally ill and terrorists. They won't, because they want the liberal scapegoat to cry about taking away gun freedom in this country. All the while, they try and take the freedoms away from their fellow Americans be it voting rights through stricter voter ID laws to solve a problem that doesn't actually exist, or actually insisting that Muslim Americans be registered in a national database based only on their religion. Or passing draconian laws that allow police to detain Americans for the sole crime of being hispanic and forcing them to prove their innocence by proving they were actually born or legally immigrated into this country.

The sad fact of the matter is, Conservatives today are running down the same train the NAZI party did in Germany pre WWII. Everything they are doing is a damn play by play of the rise of the Third Reich. The xenophobia, the propaganda, the laws they try and pass. And worse still, they have people who blindly follow every horrible idea they come up with without question.

Fascism has come to America, it's draped in the flag, carrying a bible and a gun. and the right wing loves it, they eat it up, and if they get their way, freedom in this country will depend only on your bank account, the lack of melanin in your skin, and the correct version of Abrahamic faith you follow. Good luck to the rest of the citizens of this country, if you are lucky you will end up in jail, otherwise, who knows what these psychopaths will do.

This country has gone far too right in the last 30 years. it needs a balance, we need to elect some real liberals to office, not these middle ground liberals, but some real liberals just to even things out. Liberals today are just like conservatives prior to Reagan's election. That's how far right this country has gone. Reagan used to be viewed as extreme right wing, today, I doubt that he would even get a percentage point in the polls.

This post is a good example of how divided and fragmentized America is today.

Because about half the nation will read what this guy wrote and call him totally insane.

but the sad fact is he's parroting mainstream liberal thought.

He would be applauded in any teachers lounge at any high school or university or editorial board room at any news organization in America.

donttread
12-16-2015, 06:18 AM
Is there any question anymore that conservatives hate freedom? That the mainstream conservative ideology is now fascism? That those that profess to be conservatives why do so many appear to identify with the fascist movement of the early 20th century?

These are the people that tried to pass constitutional amendments against two consenting adults marrying each other. These are the people that want to shut down all mosques, denying the first amendment guaranteed freedom of religion to an entire people just because they are of the wrong religion.

These people actually want concentration camps for people they see as the enemy, both people of the wrong ethnic group, and people of the wrong religious group.

What is it going to take for the people to understand that the right wing ideology, and motivation is that of fascism?

I heard a right wing commentator on the radio today ask the question how many Americans have to die before we have an all out war with Islam. Not even differentiating between radical Islam and the billion and so people who practice Islam who have absolutely no interest in harming anyone. They want a war with Islam. Amazingly, and astoundingly, they cite a need for a war on every single person who practices Islam, but yet, they turn a blind eye to the thousands of Americans that are killed each and every year by law abiding gun owners. (remember, to the conservative right, only black people in New York, Chicago, Detroit, and LA, ever commit gun crime, no white people ever commit any gun crime at all) And when they talk about gun crime in this country, black people are the ONLY demographic they recognize. (again, as if these human beings born in this country to parents that were born in this country, etc aren't actually American because of the color of their skin)

Yet, the thousands of people killed in this country by their fellow Americans, is NOT a matter for discussion. They will NOT even offer ANY idea how to curb gun violence in this country. Not one idea, instead they try and foist this issue off onto liberals, insisting that liberals come up with the solution to gun crime and violence, just so they can reject it outright.

Their go to question comes directly from Rush Limbaugh, "What would Liberals do to prevent gun crime and violence?" they aren't going to offer up anything themselves, they want Liberals to come up with the solution so they can reject it. Even though, logic dictates that the proponents of guns for everyone should be the ones that introduce ideas to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, the mentally ill and terrorists. They won't, because they want the liberal scapegoat to cry about taking away gun freedom in this country. All the while, they try and take the freedoms away from their fellow Americans be it voting rights through stricter voter ID laws to solve a problem that doesn't actually exist, or actually insisting that Muslim Americans be registered in a national database based only on their religion. Or passing draconian laws that allow police to detain Americans for the sole crime of being hispanic and forcing them to prove their innocence by proving they were actually born or legally immigrated into this country.

The sad fact of the matter is, Conservatives today are running down the same train the NAZI party did in Germany pre WWII. Everything they are doing is a damn play by play of the rise of the Third Reich. The xenophobia, the propaganda, the laws they try and pass. And worse still, they have people who blindly follow every horrible idea they come up with without question.

Fascism has come to America, it's draped in the flag, carrying a bible and a gun. and the right wing loves it, they eat it up, and if they get their way, freedom in this country will depend only on your bank account, the lack of melanin in your skin, and the correct version of Abrahamic faith you follow. Good luck to the rest of the citizens of this country, if you are lucky you will end up in jail, otherwise, who knows what these psychopaths will do.

This country has gone far too right in the last 30 years. it needs a balance, we need to elect some real liberals to office, not these middle ground liberals, but some real liberals just to even things out. Liberals today are just like conservatives prior to Reagan's election. That's how far right this country has gone. Reagan used to be viewed as extreme right wing, today, I doubt that he would even get a percentage point in the polls.


Governments tend to move from freedom towards control, that includes the dems as well. Our Constitution is supposed to protect both states and individuals from increased federal control But it can't work if we don't make them abide by it.

Cigar
12-16-2015, 08:04 AM
Right Off The Cliff .... :laugh:

Let's wait and see what on the 2017 version of their Autopsy Report.

Chris
12-16-2015, 09:37 AM
Governments tend to move from freedom towards control, that includes the dems as well. Our Constitution is supposed to protect both states and individuals from increased federal control But it can't work if we don't make them abide by it.

This is true of all forms of political government, from monarchy to democracy, they all accrue more and more power and the people less and less liberty. The founders knew this and tried to put constitutional limits, checks and balances on it, but not even that worked.

zelmo1234
12-16-2015, 09:43 AM
This is true of all forms of political government, from monarchy to democracy, they all accrue more and more power and the people less and less liberty. The founders knew this and tried to put constitutional limits, checks and balances on it, but not even that worked.

Part of this comes from the segment of the population that wants to be ruled or taken care of. Freedom requires work and personal responsibility, and there are many that don't favor that.

Chris
12-16-2015, 09:57 AM
Part of this comes from the segment of the population that wants to be ruled or taken care of. Freedom requires work and personal responsibility, and there are many that don't favor that.

That wants security in hopes it will bring certainty to thier lives.

Mac-7
12-16-2015, 10:40 AM
Right Off The Cliff .... :laugh:

Let's wait and see what on the 2017 version of their Autopsy Report.

Cigar is begging for attention and I'm feeling charitable.

I cant see the future.

Maybe trump will win the nomination - or maybe he wont.

maybe the reppublicans can beat hillary or maybe not.

if they pick trump maybe that helps them or hurts them.

in spite of all cigar's bloviating what he's giving us is his hope

but no one really knows anything for sure

thats why i just keep plodding along, never getting too high or too low

Newpublius
12-16-2015, 10:41 AM
All the favorite memes of the left in one post.

Right now I'd say the country leans left. With a threat of moving populist with the sort of rhetoric above and from Trump.

It leans so far to the left that a Republican Congress just voted to increase government spending.

Tahuyaman
12-16-2015, 08:55 PM
How far right can America go?
First, let's start a shif to the right and then see.

The country has been gradually shifting to the left as liberals have gained complete control of our education system, media and entertainment industry.

We won't begin a shift to the right until they have completely run the country into economic and social ruin.

maineman
12-16-2015, 09:36 PM
America has been moving inexorably to the left for more than a century. The fact is: progressive liberalism cannot be stopped, it can only be temporarily slowed down. Ideas that, a hundred years ago, were seen as so far left wing they were up on the bank of the stream of American political thought are now dead center in the middle of the stream. Women's suffrage, child labor laws, 40 hour work week, the rights of unions to organize, environmental protection, minimum wage, social security, medicare, medicaid, civil rights, gay rights, OSHA, ADA... the list goes on and on... they were ALL wacko left wing ideas and now they are all a part of the fabric of American democracy. A great example of that was the sign at a tea party rally back before the last election: "Keep your socialist hands off my medicare". Go look on youtube for the great video or Ronnie Raygun proclaiming that Medicare WAS socialized medicine. You can't make that shit up. Y'all on the right have been fighting a losing battle for so long, every time you force us to go three and out, you think you've won the fucking game, even though the score is 210-0.

Chris
12-16-2015, 09:52 PM
America has been moving inexorably to the left for more than a century. The fact is: progressive liberalism cannot be stopped, it can only be temporarily slowed down. Ideas that, a hundred years ago, were seen as so far left wing they were up on the bank of the stream of American political thought are now dead center in the middle of the stream. Women's suffrage, child labor laws, 40 hour work week, the rights of unions to organize, environmental protection, minimum wage, social security, medicare, medicaid, civil rights, gay rights, OSHA, ADA... the list goes on and on... they were ALL wacko left wing ideas and now they are all a part of the fabric of American democracy. A great example of that was the sign at a tea party rally back before the last election: "Keep your socialist hands off my medicare". Go look on youtube for the great video or Ronnie Raygun proclaiming that Medicare WAS socialized medicine. You can't make that shit up. Y'all on the right have been fighting a losing battle for so long, every time you force us to go three and out, you think you've won the fucking game, even though the score is 210-0.

Except there is no social justice war, there is no progress, and modern liberalism is self-contradictory and self-defeating

maineman
12-16-2015, 09:56 PM
Except there is no social justice war, there is no progress, and modern liberalism is self-contradictory and self-defeating

the achievements I stated are fact. Your post is opinion. see the difference?

Ransom
12-17-2015, 07:34 AM
America has been moving inexorably to the left for more than a century. The fact is: progressive liberalism cannot be stopped, it can only be temporarily slowed down. Ideas that, a hundred years ago, were seen as so far left wing they were up on the bank of the stream of American political thought are now dead center in the middle of the stream. Women's suffrage, child labor laws, 40 hour work week, the rights of unions to organize, environmental protection, minimum wage, social security, medicare, medicaid, civil rights, gay rights, OSHA, ADA... the list goes on and on... they were ALL wacko left wing ideas and now they are all a part of the fabric of American democracy. A great example of that was the sign at a tea party rally back before the last election: "Keep your socialist hands off my medicare". Go look on youtube for the great video or Ronnie Raygun proclaiming that Medicare WAS socialized medicine. You can't make that $#@! up. Y'all on the right have been fighting a losing battle for so long, every time you force us to go three and out, you think you've won the $#@!ing game, even though the score is 210-0.
Lance makes a good point here, hard to argue. But, if you read his posts you'll also see our 'fabric of society' becoming unglued. Fathers who don't care for their children, an education system that drops lower in comparison to other industrialized nation every year. Look to the cultural decay, the amount of crime, how many of our young men are in prison, on drugs, living in poverty. Look to overall happiness, if you poll our society, more people than not believe this country has seen its best days, that their children won't be better off than they. Lance certainly cannot argue this progressive agenda has made us less warlike either, he accuses the American military of over 1 million Iraqi dead, did we kill as many Japanese? This economy in 19 trillion dollars of debt. Our economy stagnant. Our values lost and afloat. Our children at risk. Society... and we ALL feel and know it... is less safe, has less opportunity, and many less freedoms. Lance is correct that Roosevelt did bring progressive liberalism to its century of growth, but Lance fails to did deep and show us all how catastrophic his politics are. He's a communist who hates America in my humble opinion. But, it's a dead on correct humble opinion.

Mac-7
12-17-2015, 07:45 AM
Lance makes a good point here, hard to argue. But, if you read his posts you'll also see our 'fabric of society' becoming unglued. Fathers who don't care for their children, an education system that drops lower in comparison to other industrialized nation every year. Look to the cultural decay, the amount of crime, how many of our young men are in prison, on drugs, living in poverty. Look to overall happiness, if you poll our society, more people than not believe this country has seen its best days, that their children won't be better off than they. Lance certainly cannot argue this progressive agenda has made us less warlike either, he accuses the American military of over 1 million Iraqi dead, did we kill as many Japanese? This economy in 19 trillion dollars of debt. Our economy stagnant. Our values lost and afloat. Our children at risk. Society... and we ALL feel and know it... is less safe, has less opportunity, and many less freedoms. Lance is correct that Roosevelt did bring progressive liberalism to its century of growth, but Lance fails to did deep and show us all how catastrophic his politics are. He's a communist who hates America in my humble opinion. But, it's a dead on correct humble opinion.

America is undeniably farther left than ever before.

And crazier.

These mass shootings are happening in the liberal/progressive society that lefties built.

donttread
12-17-2015, 08:59 AM
This is true of all forms of political government, from monarchy to democracy, they all accrue more and more power and the people less and less liberty. The founders knew this and tried to put constitutional limits, checks and balances on it, but not even that worked.

It could work, if the sheep could just muster up two things
1) A set
2) A clue

Mac-7
12-17-2015, 10:39 AM
It could work, if the sheep could just muster up two things
1) A set
2) A clue

But its not,ibs fault since they voted for the dopehead

Tahuyaman
12-17-2015, 11:22 AM
America is undeniably farther left than ever before.

And crazier.

These mass shootings are happening in the liberal/progressive society that lefties built.


And that is why we must actually start moving to the right before the question asked in this thread can be answered.

Peter1469
12-17-2015, 11:29 AM
That is what I want to know: when is the country going to start moving right? It may have started when SCOTUS said that Congress can't use the Commerce Clause to justify every piece of legislation (first Obamacare case).

maineman
12-17-2015, 11:30 AM
again... every time the right makes the left go three and out, they think that means they've all of a sudden won the game when the score is 210-0. Progressive liberalism has won the last 100 years. The folks on the right in America today candy nothing to stop it.... only periodically slow it down some. Settle in and enjoy the ride!