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Peter1469
12-15-2015, 08:38 PM
A proven method to curtail gun violence (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/14/turned-our-back-on-a-proven-method-to-curtail-gun-violence-project-ceasefire). More gun laws, more mandatory minimum sentences, and the general increase in criminal prosecution have not worked. Prison populations have exploded.


In response, jurisdictions all over the country passed get-tough gun laws, gang ordinances, three-strikes laws and school zone violations – laws that caused our prison population to explode. In 2002, when the shooting epidemic began to subside, the National Institute of Justice published a study (https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/190351.pdfhttps://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/190351.pdfhttps://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/190351.pdf) showing that all of those get-tough laws had virtually no preventative impact on gun violence.

On the other hand, experts found, there was a way to shut gun deaths off like a switch. In Boston, where the strategy (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2006/01/straight-outta-boston?page=1) was first tested, homicides went from 113 in 1991 to 31 in 1999. They called it Operation Ceasefire.

Walk through this door, the men doing the shooting were told, and we will help you get jobs and build a life. But go back out there and keep at it, and you will not like what comes next. After the first meeting in 1996, not a single teen in Beantown was shot to death for 29 straight months. In Chicago gun violence wasreduced (https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/227181.pdf) by as much as 73%. According to a report (https://www.propublica.org/article/how-the-gun-control-debate-ignores-black-lives)co-published by Pro Publica and The New Republic last month, the same thing happened in cities all across the United States.

Gypsy
12-15-2015, 08:59 PM
So this mostly worked with gangs, many of whom probably used illegal guns to begin with. Why was it disbanded? What about the majority of gun crimes where guns were legally obtained ... domestic violence, school shootings, mass shootings and etc ?

zelmo1234
12-15-2015, 09:29 PM
So this mostly worked with gangs, many of whom probably used illegal guns to begin with. Why was it disbanded? What about the majority of gun crimes where guns were legally obtained ... domestic violence, school shootings, mass shootings and etc ?

Not sure which of the School shootings were legally obtained? but OK

zelmo1234
12-15-2015, 09:34 PM
The way to break the chain of violence, poverty, and a host of other problems has always been the same.

Get people a job that will allow them to pull themselves out of their current situation. This is why I am so put out be the Current Democrat party.

They fight to insure that the status quo remains the same in these inner city communities where the high rates of crime, gun violence and poverty are.

Mister D
12-15-2015, 09:35 PM
So this mostly worked with gangs, many of whom probably used illegal guns to begin with. Why was it disbanded? What about the majority of gun crimes where guns were legally obtained ... domestic violence, school shootings, mass shootings and etc ?

Most gun crimes aren't committed with legally obtained weapons. Haven't we discussed this before? Secondly, you don't seriously believe that "domestic violence, school shootings, mass shootings" account for even a quarter of gun crimes, do you?

Gypsy
12-15-2015, 09:46 PM
Not sure which of the School shootings were legally obtained? but OK

Va Tech

Gypsy
12-15-2015, 09:46 PM
Most gun crimes aren't committed with legally obtained weapons. Haven't we discussed this before? Secondly, you don't seriously believe that "domestic violence, school shootings, mass shootings" account for even a quarter of gun crimes, do you?

I didn't give a percentage. But they are an issue.

Peter1469
12-15-2015, 09:47 PM
So this mostly worked with gangs, many of whom probably used illegal guns to begin with. Why was it disbanded? What about the majority of gun crimes where guns were legally obtained ... domestic violence, school shootings, mass shootings and etc ?

When considering gun violence the majority is suicide. After that I believe it is gang violence. Mass shootings are statistically irrelevant.

Gypsy
12-15-2015, 09:47 PM
When considering gun violence the majority is suicide. After that I believe it is gang violence. Mass shooting are statistically irrelevant.

Unless you are a victim.

Cthulhu
12-15-2015, 09:50 PM
When considering gun violence the majority is suicide. After that I believe it is gang violence. Mass shootings are statistically irrelevant.
Problem is they get the most press time.

"If it bleeds, it leads."

For shame journalism, for shame.

Sent from my evil, baby seal-clubbing cellphone.

Mister D
12-15-2015, 09:50 PM
I didn't give a percentage. But they are an issue.

Once you account for gang violence and inner city mayhem gun violence really isn't an issue.

Peter1469
12-15-2015, 09:57 PM
Unless you are a victim.

It is a tragedy for your family and friends. It is not statistically relevant.

Cigar
12-16-2015, 08:09 AM
Mandatory Death Penalties hasn't stopped Mass Killings and Mass Murders ... so let just end it.