View Full Version : Obamacare enrollment surges - Well on target to hit ten million goal!
And that's NEW enrollments - doesn't count the millions who will leave their plan from last year as is.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obamacare-enrollments-hit-6-million_5674434ce4b0b958f6566c59?utm_hp_ref=politi cs
Personally, my provider went up too much and i switched to a better policy with different provider at a LOWER price.
And no, it isn't subsidized ;-)
Thanks Obama!
MisterVeritis
12-19-2015, 12:51 PM
And that's NEW enrollments - doesn't count the millions who will leave their plan from last year as is.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obamacare-enrollments-hit-6-million_5674434ce4b0b958f6566c59?utm_hp_ref=politi cs
Personally, my provider went up too much and i switched to a better policy with different provider at a LOWER price.
And no, it isn't subsidized ;-)
Thanks Obama!
Is it likely that most of the people now on Obamacare were knocked off their original policies by Obamacare? If this is so good why is the president exempt? Why did Congress exempt themselves and their staffs? Why is it a law with steep and growing penalties?
Thanks, Obama.
Tahuyaman
12-19-2015, 01:06 PM
Obamacare enrollment surges - Well on target to hit ten million goal!
Democrats rejoice when they see misery being spread to more people.
Two swings, two misses.
And life goes on.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JiEwHutPb_Q/S2GlbGpxnaI/AAAAAAAAAYY/8Q4vIvfQugc/s320/Sour-Grapes.jpg
MisterVeritis
12-19-2015, 02:18 PM
Two swings, two misses.
And life goes on.
I understand your frustration. Keep swinging. You might hit one eventually. But that is not the way to bet.
I understand your frustration. Keep swinging. You might hit one eventually. But that is not the way to bet.
Rest assured MV .. in 2 or 3 years when Obamacare is going stronger than ever?
Republicans will take credit for it - but they'll no longer call it Obamacare. ;-)
MisterVeritis
12-19-2015, 02:29 PM
Rest assured MV .. in 2 or 3 years when Obamacare is going stronger than ever?
Republicans will take credit for it - but they'll no longer call it Obamacare. ;-)
I would not be surprised, assuming the Establishment Republican party still exists in a couple of years. Any wealth redistribution scheme is un-American. This one also gives government extraordinary opportunities to add another layer of spying and control over the American people. I am not surprised that you like it.
I would not be surprised, assuming the Establishment Republican party still exists in a couple of years. Any wealth redistribution scheme is un-American. This one also gives government extraordinary opportunities to add another layer of spying and control over the American people. I am not surprised that you like it.
I like it because it is bringing down my cost of MY insurance (which until 2 years ago had been going up 30-40% each year).
You guys SHOULD like it, because it was the ER costs of freeloaders on the system that were driving up procedure rates - and thus insurance.
Apparently freeloaders are your friends now.
Strange bedfellows ;)
MisterVeritis
12-19-2015, 02:35 PM
I like it because it is bringing down my cost of MY insurance (which until 2 years ago had been going up 30-40% each year).
You guys SHOULD like it, because it was the ER costs of freeloaders on the system that were driving up procedure rates - and thus insurance.
Apparently freeloaders are your friends now.
Strange bedfellows ;)
I just shake my head.
Tahuyaman
12-19-2015, 09:38 PM
Rest assured MV .. in 2 or 3 years when Obamacare is going stronger than ever?
Republicans will take credit for it - but they'll no longer call it Obamacare. ;-)
Are you going to demand another government solution when their current solution implodes when that time comes.
Government policy creates a problem, so they enact a new law which makes the problem worse and the mindless demand government create a new solution to the problems they created and made worse.
Only in America.....
Tahuyaman
12-19-2015, 09:44 PM
I like it because it is bringing down my cost of MY insurance (which until 2 years ago had been going up 30-40% each year).
You guys SHOULD like it, because it was the ER costs of freeloaders on the system that were driving up procedure rates - and thus insurance.
Apparently freeloaders are your friends now.
Strange bedfellows ;)
I just shake my head.
There's no way that I will be convinced to believe his health insurance costs were rising by 30 to 40% a year. I wonder how many consecutive years he would claim that was young on?
Why can't people support their views without making up tall tales?
Tahuyaman
12-19-2015, 09:46 PM
I would respect the liberals if they would just come out and admit that they support nationalized health care because they believe it's government's responsibility to ensure everyone has equal access to the same health care.
HoneyBadger
12-20-2015, 03:15 AM
The only people I've encountered who love Obamacare are either people who had no insurance and pre-existing conditions (a very small percentage) or people who do NOT have to use the exchange. People who get their insurance through their employer are some of the biggest Obamacare cheerleaders.
Peter1469
12-20-2015, 08:10 AM
Many States have closed their exchanges or merged them with the federal exchange. That likely accounts for much of the increase.
hanger4
12-20-2015, 09:56 AM
I like it because it is bringing down my cost of MY insurance (which until 2 years ago had been going up 30-40% each year).
You guys SHOULD like it, because it was the ER costs of freeloaders on the system that were driving up procedure rates - and thus insurance.
Apparently freeloaders are your friends now.
Strange bedfellows ;)
And that line of thought ignores those recieving 'insur. subsidies' through ACA also being 'freeloaders'. The only difference being taxpayers paying before or after the provided health care.
I just shake my head.
Not a response .. why do you suddenly like freeloaders?
There's no way that I will be convinced to believe his health insurance costs were rising by 30 to 40% a year. I wonder how many consecutive years he would claim that was young on?
Why can't people support their views without making up tall tales?
Oh, so you want me to scan and post my insurance billing stubs? :rolleyes:
100% truthful, until 2 years ago with the ACA kicked in my insurance never went up by less than 20% per year and was as high as 40%.
I'm self employed buying as an individual. That's the way it rolled for the better part of 3-15 years back.
And that line of thought ignores those recieving 'insur. subsidies' through ACA also being 'freeloaders'. The only difference being taxpayers paying before or after the provided health care.
A freeloader who actually HAS insurance is far less of a drain on the health care system than one who doesn't.
The only people I've encountered who love Obamacare are either people who had no insurance and pre-existing conditions (a very small percentage) or people who do NOT have to use the exchange. People who get their insurance through their employer are some of the biggest Obamacare cheerleaders.
Not anymore .. you just encountered me. ;-)
Many States have closed their exchanges or merged them with the federal exchange. That likely accounts for much of the increase.
Uh no Peter .. but we can always count on you to mansplain why something Obama did is working. ;)
Peter1469
12-20-2015, 01:00 PM
Uh no Peter .. but we can always count on you to mansplain why something Obama did is working. ;)
It isn't working. My wife needs a certain specialist and there are none in our network. A more common problem is that many people don't have specialists in their network near their homes or work places.
That is fucking stupid.
It isn't working. My wife needs a certain specialist and there are none in our network. A more common problem is that many people don't have specialists in their network near their homes or work places.
That is fucking stupid.
You must live in a very rural area.
I have the entire St Luke's network here in Boise - which is massive and includes every imaginable type of specialist.
Hey, i get it that there are holes that need plugging and improvements needed. Eventually it'll get done.
Cigar
12-20-2015, 01:20 PM
And that's NEW enrollments - doesn't count the millions who will leave their plan from last year as is.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obamacare-enrollments-hit-6-million_5674434ce4b0b958f6566c59?utm_hp_ref=politi cs
Personally, my provider went up too much and i switched to a better policy with different provider at a LOWER price.
And no, it isn't subsidized ;-)
Thanks Obama!
I don't know about you but I'm still waiting for that $6.00 per/gal Gas and One Term President prediction. :laugh:
I don't know about you but I'm still waiting for that $6.00 per/gal Gas and One Term President prediction. :laugh:
If America is dumb enough to elect another neocon like Rubio ..
I'll see your $6 gas and raise you another two trillion dollar endless war and a DJIA free fall to around 8,000.
Pray that we're not that dumb.
:poopfan:
Professor Peabody
12-20-2015, 02:42 PM
And that's NEW enrollments - doesn't count the millions who will leave their plan from last year as is.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obamacare-enrollments-hit-6-million_5674434ce4b0b958f6566c59?utm_hp_ref=politi cs
Personally, my provider went up too much and i switched to a better policy with different provider at a LOWER price.
And no, it isn't subsidized ;-)
Thanks Obama!
Comical! It's amazing just how holding folks income tax returns hostage if they don't enroll will get them to enroll. It's collapsing anyway.
The fee for not having health insurance in 2015, look at the difference between 2014 and 2015.
The fee is calculated 2 different ways – as a percentage of your household income, and per person. You’ll pay whichever is higher.
Percentage of income
2.5% of household income
Maximum: Total yearly premium for the national average price of a Bronze plan sold through the Marketplace
Per person
$695 per adult
$347.50 per child under 18
Maximum: $2,085
The fee for not having coverage in 2015
The penalty for 2015 is the higher of these:
2% of household income
Maximum: Total yearly premium for the national average price of a Bronze plan sold through the Marketplace
OR
$325 per adult
$162.50 per child under 18
Maximum: $975
The fee for not having coverage in 2014
The penalty for 2014 is the higher of these:
1% of household income
Maximum: Total yearly premium for the national average price of a Bronze plan sold through the Marketplace
OR
$95 per adult
$47.50 per child under 18
Maximum: $285
https://www.healthcare.gov/fees/fee-for-not-being-covered/
Obamacare co-op in Maine to suspend 2016 enrollment
Plan had been a bright spot for failing nonprofit program
By Tom Howell Jr. - The Washington Times - Wednesday, December 9, 2015
An Obamacare co-op that offered one of the program’s few success stories said Wednesday it will suspend enrollment for 2016, marking another black eye for nonprofit plans that were supposed to give consumers a leg up in the marketplace.
The Community Health Options plan of Maine said it cannot accept new customers in the individual market after Dec. 26.
So far, 12 out of the initial 23 co-op plans have failed. The program, backed by $2.4 billion, was written into the Affordable Care Act to offer an alternative to corporate players in the marketplace.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/9/obamacare-co-op-maine-suspend-2016-enrollment/
No surprises here. Obama Care is failing everywhere it goes. We told them it was going to happen, but they refused to believe. Myself, I think every Representative and Senator who voted FOR Obama Care should be required to pay the tax payers back out of their pay or pensions. It was their bad idea and they wasted billions of the tax payers money, why wouldn't they need to pay us back? If they don't have the assets, no problem, they can just forfit their pensions till their portion of the bill is paid back.
Peter1469
12-20-2015, 03:16 PM
The IRS collects your fees through your tax refund. Adjust your W-4 so you have no refund. (Unless that provision was changed.)
Professor Peabody
12-20-2015, 03:30 PM
It isn't working. My wife needs a certain specialist and there are none in our network. A more common problem is that many people don't have specialists in their network near their homes or work places.
That is $#@!ing stupid.
Like this?
Narrow networks leave some Obamacare consumers lacking options (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/health-care/article10025174.html)
Obamacare doctor networks to stay limited in 2015 (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-0928-obamacare-doctors-20140928-story.html)
Keeping Your Doctor Under Obamacare Is No Easy Feat (http://swampland.time.com/2014/01/01/keeping-your-doctor-under-obamacare-is-no-easy-feat/)
Ransom
12-20-2015, 03:31 PM
And that's NEW enrollments - doesn't count the millions who will leave their plan from last year as is.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obamacare-enrollments-hit-6-million_5674434ce4b0b958f6566c59?utm_hp_ref=politi cs
Personally, my provider went up too much and i switched to a better policy with different provider at a LOWER price.
And no, it isn't subsidized ;-)
Thanks Obama!
Obama said we'd save an average of 2500 so as you're happy congrats, sounds like a great policy. I was actually wondering if you'd any idea why your previous plan was forced to go up so high?
Watch this now..... this is going to explain a lot.... your floor
Bo
Professor Peabody
12-20-2015, 03:46 PM
The IRS collects your fees through your tax refund. Adjust your W-4 so you have no refund. (Unless that provision was changed.)
Problem is it sits there as unpaid taxes accruing penalties and interest. Once it reaches a certain amount here comes a Federal Tax Lien on your house. While Obama Care which has no enforcement provisions per say, the Federal Tax Lien does.
Supreme Court found that penalties the law places on people who don't buy health insurance count as a tax protected by the Constitution.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/05/politics/scotus-health-care-tax/
Obama said we'd save an average of 2500 so as you're happy congrats, sounds like a great policy. I was actually wondering if you'd any idea why your previous plan was forced to go up so high?
Watch this now..... this is going to explain a lot.... your floor
Bo
Don't know why my old plan felt the need to stick it to their 1st/2nd year customers.
What i DO know is that we now have more competition.
I like that, and shall continue to shop my coverage in early December next year too if my new guys go up any more than 15%.
The competitive marketplace is a great thing for consumers who aren't too lazy to do their research.
Cigar
12-20-2015, 03:48 PM
Give it up, you were wrong, again and again ... and again :laugh:
Peter1469
12-20-2015, 04:13 PM
Yes, like those.
Like this?
Narrow networks leave some Obamacare consumers lacking options (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/health-care/article10025174.html)
Obamacare doctor networks to stay limited in 2015 (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-0928-obamacare-doctors-20140928-story.html)
Keeping Your Doctor Under Obamacare Is No Easy Feat (http://swampland.time.com/2014/01/01/keeping-your-doctor-under-obamacare-is-no-easy-feat/)
Subdermal
12-20-2015, 04:37 PM
Um...OP demonstrates incredible partisan ignorance on this topic.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgottlieb/2014/05/15/first-obamacare-premium-notices-for-2015-show-double-digit-increases/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/25/obamacare-insurance-premiums-to-jump-up-to-51/
MisterVeritis
12-20-2015, 10:07 PM
Not a response .. why do you suddenly like freeloaders?
Leftists. Can't live with 'em. We need two countries.
Cigar
12-20-2015, 10:09 PM
Leftists. Can't live with 'em. We need two countries.
I hear Donald Trump builds Walls at Tax Payer Expense. :laugh:
zelmo1234
12-20-2015, 10:11 PM
Well I remember that when it was first introduced, they said that 14 to 16 million was break event, and nearly 7 million people lost their insurance in the first month of the program.
We know that Major insurance providers, are leaving the network because not enough young people signed up for the program, this has caused the cost that was going to save everyone 25% to nearly double the premiums and out of pocket expenses.
So nearing the 10 million mark is not a sign of success, but failure.
Cigar
12-20-2015, 10:12 PM
Well I remember that when it was first introduced, they said that 14 to 16 million was break event, and nearly 7 million people lost their insurance in the first month of the program.
We know that Major insurance providers, are leaving the network because not enough young people signed up for the program, this has caused the cost that was going to save everyone 25% to nearly double the premiums and out of pocket expenses.
So nearing the 10 million mark is not a sign of success, but failure.
Glad that's not happening to me.
zelmo1234
12-20-2015, 10:13 PM
I hear Donald Trump builds Walls at Tax Payer Expense. :laugh:
Actually the Wall is one hell of a deal when you put it along side the cost that the illegals have on the economy each and every year.
but who is counting.
zelmo1234
12-20-2015, 10:14 PM
Glad that's not happening to me.
If your premiums have not skyrocketed, you have cut the quality of your insurance. There are NO plans that have not went through the roof.
We are doing the same thing keep premiums the same, but each year, the employee's have less coverage and higher out of pocket. it is just the new normal under the ACA
Tahuyaman
12-20-2015, 10:51 PM
Oh, so you want me to scan and post my insurance billing stubs? :rolleyes:
100% truthful, until 2 years ago with the ACA kicked in my insurance never went up by less than 20% per year and was as high as 40%.
I'm self employed buying as an individual. That's the way it rolled for the better part of 3-15 years back.
you made a false statement. Period.
maineman
12-20-2015, 11:19 PM
If your premiums have not skyrocketed, you have cut the quality of your insurance. There are NO plans that have not went through the roof.
We are doing the same thing keep premiums the same, but each year, the employee's have less coverage and higher out of pocket. it is just the new normal under the ACA
TRICARE premiums have remained unchanged from before and after Obamacare.
MisterVeritis
12-20-2015, 11:22 PM
TRICARE premiums have remained unchanged from before and after Obamacare.
My Tricare costs have gone up every year or so. In addition my copays went up.
Tahuyaman
12-20-2015, 11:28 PM
My Tricare costs have gone up every year or so. In addition my copays went up.
mine went up as well. Not a significant amount, but they did increase.
maineman
12-20-2015, 11:34 PM
My Tricare costs have gone up every year or so. In addition my copays went up.
skyrocket, did they?
zelmo1234
12-21-2015, 01:41 AM
TRICARE premiums have remained unchanged from before and after Obamacare.
For those of you that don't know? TRICARE is an insurance designed for the Military
http://www.military.com/kwlp08?ESRC=ggl_mem_ben_tricare_exact_insurance.kw&np=1&gclid=CPnttYms7MkCFVQ2aQoddYEF_g
this does not help me with my employee benefits And was a bit dishonest to suggest that it is a solution for people that saw their premiums and deductibles double
Cthulhu
12-21-2015, 02:05 AM
TRICARE premiums have remained unchanged from before and after Obamacare.
Tricare is an aberration with no private sector equivalent. Possibly the best thing about the military is the medical benefits.
Comparing tricare to a normal private sector company is an Apple vs. Ostrich comparison.
Sent from my evil, baby seal-clubbing cellphone.
Peter1469
12-21-2015, 06:00 AM
TRICARE premiums have remained unchanged from before and after Obamacare.
I think they are going up in 2016 as part of "retirement reform" in the military.
MisterVeritis
12-21-2015, 12:11 PM
skyrocket, did they?
Did I say skyrocket? No. No, I didn't. Why must you always be deceptive? Is it your nature? You are a self-proclaimed liberal. I believe a liberal's nature must be deceptive.
Tahuyaman
12-21-2015, 12:26 PM
Did I say skyrocket? No. No, I didn't. Why must you always be deceptive? Is it your nature? You are a self-proclaimed liberal. I believe a liberal's nature must be deceptive.
That is how people maineman dodge the issue.
Tahuyaman
12-21-2015, 12:30 PM
I think they are going up in 2016 as part of "retirement reform" in the military.
Tricare premiums and co-pays have increased several times over the years. I suspect they will increase more in the future.
The increases haven't been dramatic, but claiming they haven't increased, as one person has, is inaccurate.
maineman
12-21-2015, 04:26 PM
To the best of my knowledge, TRICARE overseas has not gone up a penny in the four plus years I have been in Mexico.
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