Political Bias Overtakes Racial Bias

[Chris]

In a fairly recent trend, racism plays second fiddle to, what should we call it, bipartisanism...

Political Bias Overtakes Racial Bias (http://fee.org/anythingpeaceful/political-bias-overtakes-racial-bias/)


http://i.snag.gy/nwuw3.jpg

...A few days before Fisher was argued, but not in connection with the case, Ezra Klein of Vox amassed data suggesting that the greatest cleavages in society were not between racial and ethnic groups, but between members of different political parties.

A high percentage of members of both parties, for instance, expressed horror at the thought of a daughter or son marrying outside the faith. Large majorities of both parties would be likely to hire a member of their party over that of another.

As Ilya Somin has noted, such partisanship has troubling implications for democracy. Partisans will be more likely to dismiss opposing views reflexively, making beneficial decision making far less likely....

[Dr. Who]

In a fairly recent trend, racism plays second fiddle to, what should we call it, bipartisanism...

Political Bias Overtakes Racial Bias (http://fee.org/anythingpeaceful/political-bias-overtakes-racial-bias/)
Not bipartisanism but rather partisanism. Pretty crazy, considering the fundamental sameness of both parties once you scrape off the icing.

[Tahuyaman]

If the two major parties are basically the same, why the stark differences in the partisans themselves?

[Chris]

If the two major parties are basically the same, why the stark differences in the partisans themselves?

Party in power get to hand out more political favors.

[Tahuyaman]

Party in power get to hand out more political favors.

then it wouldn't matter which party it was that held the power, but to the partisans it does matter. Even if the opposition party is giving the hand-outs.

[Mister D]

If the two major parties are basically the same, why the stark differences in the partisans themselves?

What stark differences?

[Mister D]

That's a shame. At least racial bias can be interesting.

[Mac-7]

When I saw the headline I thought the topic was the pro democrat party washington post cartoon depicting Cruz's daughters as monkeys.

but i guess thats a non story here in lib la la land.

[Tahuyaman]

What stark differences?

Ok. Look at the difference between @Mac-7 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1014) and @maineman (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1289). Do you believe they hold similar views on any issue?

do you think they would agree that there's no difference between the two major political parties?

[Chris]

then it wouldn't matter which party it was that held the power, but to the partisans it does matter. Even if the opposition party is giving the hand-outs.

No, it doesn't.

[Chris]

When I saw the headline I thought the topic was the pro democrat party washington post cartoon depicting Cruz's daughters as monkeys.

but i guess thats a non story here in lib la la land.

Well, lil lib lib, why aren't you posting about that? WaPo retracted anyhow.

[Tahuyaman]

No, it doesn't.

like I just asked another, do you think maineman and Mac-7 would agree with you? They both claim loyalty to one of the two major parties.

[Dr. Who]

If the two major parties are basically the same, why the stark differences in the partisans themselves?
The partisans are different about a finite number of issues, but are those differences really all that stark? People fixate on the extreme, but most of what happens in government happens in the political middle and most of what really happens in government happens without the general population even being aware. Most of the time the differences are based in rhetoric. The truly heinous stuff goes relatively unnoticed and the media chooses to focus on those things that will get people going. Ninety-nine percent of the time things that should universally outrage the public, if they really understood the importance of those issues, are passed without mainstream media attention. The media tends to cater to the lowest common denominator, so they don't write about complicated issues that most people wouldn't understand. The media selects issues that underscore political differences and create division to sell news, but at the end of the day, politicians from both sides of the aisle are selling out the population at large to special interests but few notice and even less care. Ultimately the outward difference between the Dems and the Reps is where they spend discretionary dollars. The Dems spend more on domestic issues, the Reps spend more on foreign intervention.

[Chris]

like I just asked another, do you think maineman and Mac-7 would agree with you? They both claim loyalty to one of the two major parties.

No, but neither would they be able to articulate significant differences.

[Song Bird]

Not bipartisanism but rather partisanism. Pretty crazy, considering the fundamental sameness of both parties once you scrape off the icing.

I think this misses the reality. That the current GOP leadership in DC, which was the outgoing Boehner, and the incumbent McConnell, seemed to be as Democrats, most certainly does not reflect their rank and file. The rank and file are quite opposed to Obama and the libs. Trump leading in the GOP polls indicates an enormous contempt for Obama and liberals.

[Tahuyaman]

like I just asked another, do you think maineman and Mac-7 would agree with you? They both claim loyalty to one of the two major parties.


No, but neither would they be able to articulate significant differences.

I know that they would both disagree with you on that one.

[Song Bird]

What stark differences?

How about (in no particular order) First Amendment. Second Amendment. Immigration. Political correctness. Spending. Welfare. Energy. Taxation. Nanny state. Obamacare. Dealing with ISIS. Border security. Big government vs small government. Law enforcement.

That's a start.

[Mac-7]

Well, lil lib lib, why aren't you posting about that? WaPo retracted anyhow.

I was wondering how the beautiful people who claim to hate partisanship would react to a leftwing partisan attack on two little children of ted cruz, conservative republican.

as expected the third way is ok with whatever the democrats do

[Chris]

I know that they would both disagree with you on that one.

Of course, they would disagree. I'd wait for substantiation.

[Chris]

How about (in no particular order) First Amendment. Second Amendment. Immigration. Political correctness. Spending. Welfare. Energy. Taxation. Nanny state. Obamacare. Dealing with ISIS. Border security. Big government vs small government. Law enforcement.

That's a start.

In theory, perhaps, but in practice there's this: Evangelist Franklin Graham slams, quits GOP (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/22/evangelist-franklin-graham-slams-quits-gop.html): "Evangelist Franklin Graham announced Tuesday he is leaving the Republican Party over the GOP-led spending bill passed last week, calling it “wasteful” and likening funding of Planned Parenthood to Nazi concentration camps."

[Chris]

I was wondering how the beautiful people who claim to hate partisanship would react to a leftwing partisan attack on two little children of ted cruz, conservative republican.

as expected the third way is ok with whatever the democrats do

It was as despicable as Trump's undignified remarks about Hillary.

Again, no difference.

[Tahuyaman]

It was as despicable as Trump's undignified remarks about Hillary.

Again, no difference.

There's a huge difference. Hillary can fight back. Cruz's little girls can't.

[Matty]

There's a huge difference. Hillary can fight back. Cruz's little girls can't.



Yes!

[Chris]

Cruz can fight back and WaPo retracted.


It is still not a political difference.

[Song Bird]

It was as despicable as Trump's undignified remarks about Hillary.

Again, no difference.

Sorry, but no comparison. Hillary is a big girl, who has defended her husband's egregious infidelities, to include things that would have gotten any Fortune 500 CEO fired, with obfuscation, lies, and attacks on the victims of Bill's predatory behavior. In that accurate context, she has no basis on which to be offended by the term "schlonged". In fact, Hillary rates no respect, precisely because she is a political whore in every sense of the word.

Cruz's kids ? C'mon. Even if you do not like Trump, you are not this fucking stupid.

[Chris]

Sorry, but no comparison. Hillary is a big girl, who has defended her husband's egregious infidelities, to include things that would have gotten any Fortune 500 CEO fired, with obfuscation, lies, and attacks on the victims of Bill's predatory behavior. In that accurate context, she has no basis on which to be offended by the term "schlonged". In fact, Hillary rates no respect, precisely because she is a political whore in every sense of the word.

Cruz's kids ? C'mon. Even if you do not like Trump, you are not this fucking stupid.


The criticism was of Cruz not his children.

I like none of them.

Stow the ad hom, it's unbecoming.

[Song Bird]

In theory, perhaps, but in practice there's this: Evangelist Franklin Graham slams, quits GOP (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/22/evangelist-franklin-graham-slams-quits-gop.html): "Evangelist Franklin Graham announced Tuesday he is leaving the Republican Party over the GOP-led spending bill passed last week, calling it “wasteful” and likening funding of Planned Parenthood to Nazi concentration camps."

Which illustrates my point exactly. Graham is upset with the current GOP leadership in DC. How he chose to grandstand it is his choice. He will most assuredly be voting for a GOP candidate in the primary, and a GOP candidate in the general election. Do you think not ? So much for "leaving the party" !

[Song Bird]

The criticism was of Cruz not his children.

I like none of them.

Stow the ad hom, it's unbecoming.

No. The WAPO cartoon took its shot at Cruz, which is fine, but also depicted his kids as monkeys, which is not OK. Which is why the piece was taken down. It is not ad-hom to point out that you are not as stupid as that one post. It is actually quite the opposite.

[ThaiBoxer]

If the two major parties are basically the same, why the stark differences in the partisans themselves?

Because they aren't. When Democrats are in control the economy does well and people prosper. When Republicans get control they turn everything to shit

[Tahuyaman]

Originally Posted by Tahuyaman

If the two major parties are basically the same, why the stark differences in the partisans themselves



Because they aren't. When Democrats are in control the economy does well and people prosper. When Republicans get control they turn everything to $#@!

Here's my advice to you. Always make a serious attempt to be thoughtful.

[ThaiBoxer]

Here's my advice to you. Always make a serious attempt to be thoughtful.

It's history brah

Bush 41 bad economy. Clinton most prosperous economy in generations. Bush 43 bad economy. Obama successful economic recovery.

[Captain Obvious]

It's history brah

Bush 41 bad economy. Clinton most prosperous economy in generations. Bush 43 bad economy. Obama successful economic recovery.

:biglaugh:

And more national debt than all presidents in US history combined.

What a rube...

[Tahuyaman]

Here's my advice to you. Always make a serious attempt to be thoughtful.


It's history brah

Bush 41 bad economy. Clinton most prosperous economy in generations. Bush 43 bad economy. Obama successful economic recovery.


Well, so much for that....

[ThaiBoxer]

:biglaugh:

And more national debt than all presidents in US history combined.

What a rube...

Agreed, Bush was a rube.

[Chris]

It's history brah

Bush 41 bad economy. Clinton most prosperous economy in generations. Bush 43 bad economy. Obama successful economic recovery.

Successful? Lol. All bad presidents.

[Mac-7]

No, but neither would they be able to articulate significant differences.

So no one disagress on any issue and its all just personal dislike by individusls on the left and right for each other?

you are delusional.

[Chris]

Which illustrates my point exactly. Graham is upset with the current GOP leadership in DC. How he chose to grandstand it is his choice. He will most assuredly be voting for a GOP candidate in the primary, and a GOP candidate in the general election. Do you think not ? So much for "leaving the party" !

The point was the party against spending just passed a huge liberal spending bill. Don't miss forest for trees.

[Chris]

No. The WAPO cartoon took its shot at Cruz, which is fine, but also depicted his kids as monkeys, which is not OK. Which is why the piece was taken down. It is not ad-hom to point out that you are not as stupid as that one post. It is actually quite the opposite.

That's how Cruz was treating his kids putting them in political ads.

You're right, you were well poisoning.

[Tahuyaman]

Political Bias Overtakes Racial Bias

I disagree that this is a recent trend as the OP says. Politics has always been more divisive than racial bias.

[Peter1469]

Because they aren't. When Democrats are in control the economy does well and people prosper. When Republicans get control they turn everything to shit


The democrats are taking the economy over the cliff at 100 mph.

The GOP is taking the economy over the cliff at 60 mph.

Either one in charge, the economy dies after it goes over the cliff.

That is the no difference. All the other stuff is minor compared to the economic health death of the nation.

[Peter1469]

It's history brah

Bush 41 bad economy. Clinton most prosperous economy in generations. Bush 43 bad economy. Obama successful economic recovery.You are very, very confused. Wrong on all accounts. Close with Clinton, but you went too far with your praise. Did your high school have a course in economics?

[Dr. Who]

No. The WAPO cartoon took its shot at Cruz, which is fine, but also depicted his kids as monkeys, which is not OK. Which is why the piece was taken down. It is not ad-hom to point out that you are not as stupid as that one post. It is actually quite the opposite.
Unlike all the really nasty rhetoric about Obama's wife and kids. The media doesn't respect any boundaries anymore. It is sad that if you want to be a politician, your family is now a target.

[Tahuyaman]

You are very, very confused. Wrong on all accounts. Close with Clinton, but you went too far with your praise. Did your high school have a course in economics?


You are wasting your time.

[Matty]

Unlike all the really nasty rhetoric about Obama's wife and kids. The media doesn't respect any boundaries anymore. It is sad that if you want to be a politician, your family is now a target.


Nasty rhetoric about Michelle and the Obama children? In the Press? I have never seen it.

[Dr. Who]

Nasty rhetoric about Michelle and the Obama children? In the Press? I have never seen it.
I have.

[ThaiBoxer]

The democrats are taking the economy over the cliff at 100 mph.

The GOP is taking the economy over the cliff at 60 mph.

Either one in charge, the economy dies after it goes over the cliff.

That is the no difference. All the other stuff is minor compared to the economic health death of the nation.

The unemployment rate for November was 5%. Was it that low under Bush before he destroyed our economy?

[Song Bird]

Unlike all the really nasty rhetoric about Obama's wife and kids. The media doesn't respect any boundaries anymore. It is sad that if you want to be a politician, your family is now a target.

What ? The Press never went after Obama's kids. Never. Michele, for making herself a political entity as she has chosen, has also gotten a free ride from the MSM. Her school menu initiative has been a complete disaster, and she still gets a pass. But to the point, the Obama kids were never portrayed as monkeys in a major publication. The double standard by such as WAPO is enormous.

[Song Bird]

The unemployment rate for November was 5%. Was it that low under Bush before he destroyed our economy?

Someone has to say it. You are so completely uninformed. Do you know what the labor force participation rate is ? Do you know that if Obama had the same rate now as he inherited, that unemployment is 9% ? Do you know how the numbers can be manipulated by the LFPR ?

I know that you are in your second year of college, and were in the top 5% of your HS class, but good grief you are just plain stupid !!

[Song Bird]

I have.

Then you can document it. Google is your friend, and Obama has only been a major player for less than 9 years. Should be easy.

[Dr. Who]

What ? The Press never went after Obama's kids. Never. Michele, for making herself a political entity as she has chosen, has also gotten a free ride from the MSM. Her school menu initiative has been a complete disaster, and she still gets a pass. But to the point, the Obama kids were never portrayed as monkeys in a major publication. The double standard by such as WAPO is enormous.
Right: Fox: https://www.google.ca/search?q=WAPO&oq=WAPO&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.2052j0j8&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=fox+mocks+michelle+obama
Others refer:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/12/angela-mcglowan-michelle-obama_n_7266510.html
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2010/05/28/glenn-beck-smears-obamas-11-year-old-daughter/165466
http://thegrio.com/2013/05/03/fox-news-host-asks-is-malia-obama-going-to-go-on-birth-control/

[domer76]

Someone has to say it. You are so completely uninformed. Do you know what the labor force participation rate is ? Do you know that if Obama had the same rate now as he inherited, that unemployment is 9% ? Do you know how the numbers can be manipulated by the LFPR ?

I know that you are in your second year of college, and were in the top 5% of your HS class, but good grief you are just plain stupid !!

What did you say the current unemployment rate is? 9%?

[Mac-7]

The democrats are taking the economy over the cliff at 100 mph.

The GOP is taking the economy over the cliff at 60 mph.

Either one in charge, the economy dies after it goes over the cliff.

That is the no difference. All the other stuff is minor compared to the economic health death of the nation.

Here, peter prefers the Domocrats because the faster they take us to the bottom of the cliff the sooner the Third Way crowd can say "We told you so."

[Matty]

I have.


Where?

[Peter1469]

What did you say the current unemployment rate is? 9%?

He is probably citing to U-6. (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm) Go to the link if the formating is screwed up.

U-6 is more accurate than U-3, the number most cited by the press.

HOUSEHOLD DATA
Table A-15. Alternative measures of labor underutilization[Percent]
MeasureNot seasonally adjustedSeasonally adjustedNov.
2014Oct.
2015Nov.
2015Nov.
2014July
2015Aug.
2015Sept.
2015Oct.
2015Nov.
2015U-1 Persons unemployed 15 weeks or longer, as a percent of the civilian labor force
2.72.12.12.72.12.22.12.12.1U-2 Job losers and persons who completed temporary jobs, as a percent of the civilian labor force
2.72.32.32.92.62.62.52.52.5U-3 Total unemployed, as a percent of the civilian labor force (official unemployment rate)
5.54.84.85.85.35.15.15.05.0U-4 Total unemployed plus discouraged workers, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus discouraged workers
5.95.25.26.25.75.55.45.45.4U-5 Total unemployed, plus discouraged workers, plus all other persons marginally attached to the labor force, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force
6.86.05.87.16.46.26.26.26.1U-6 Total unemployed, plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force
11.09.59.611.410.410.310.09.89.9NOTE: Persons marginally attached to the labor force are those who currently are neither working nor looking for work but indicate that they want and are available for a job and have looked for work sometime in the past 12 months. Discouraged workers, a subset of the marginally attached, have given a job-market related reason for not currently looking for work. Persons employed part time for economic reasons are those who want and are available for full-time work but have had to settle for a part-time schedule. Updated population controls are introduced annually with the release of January data.

[Peter1469]

Here, peter prefers the Domocrats because the faster they take us to the bottom of the cliff the sooner the Third Way crowd can say "We told you so."

The party in charge when the economy collapses will be vilified in history. In reality both will be to blame.

[Mac-7]

The party in charge when the economy collapses will be vilified in history. In reality both will be to blame.

Only if it is the republican party in charge

the pro democrat party liberal news media will see to that.

[Peter1469]

Only if it is the republican party in charge

the pro democrat party liberal news media will see to that.

I don't believe that.

[Chris]

So no one disagress on any issue and its all just personal dislike by individusls on the left and right for each other?

you are delusional.

The disagtrements are superficial. For example, you favor progressive prtectionism. You're a neocon, Hillary is a neocon. On and on.

[Chris]

The unemployment rate for November was 5%. Was it that low under Bush before he destroyed our economy?

This is part and parcel the myth partisans portray, the presidents, even parties, create jobs and increase wealth.

[Mac-7]

The disagtrements are superficial. For example, you favor progressive prtectionism. You're a beacon, Hillary is a neocon. On and on.

I favor closing the border and deporting illegal aliens and the guy down in mexico does not

he wants amnesty for illegals and i dont.

I want to ban muslim immigration till the war with islam ends

He does not agree

he wants to expand the welfare system whereas I want to end welfare for able bodied adults

There are an endless number of fundimentisl differences between the typical conservative republican and the typical liberal democrat.

[Chris]

I favor closing the border and deporting illegal aliens and the guy down in mexico does not

he wants amnesty for illegals and i dont.

I want to ban muslim immigration till the war with islam ends

He does not agree

he wants to expand the welfare system whereas I want to end welfare for able bodied adults

There are an endless number of fundimentisl differences between the typical conservative republican and the typical liberal democrat.

All of which liberal isolationism contradicts you're being a neocon.

[Mac-7]

All of which liberal isolationism contradicts you're being a neocon.

That was a big waste of time, bandwidth and 58 characters.

[Chris]

That was a big waste of time, bandwidth and 58 characters.

Then don't waste time trying to convince people there's alick of difference of any political significance.

[donttread]

You are very, very confused. Wrong on all accounts. Close with Clinton, but you went too far with your praise. Did your high school have a course in economics?

Well at least our spending was somewhat tempered under Clinton which is more than we can say for most of our regimes over the past 40 years. I'm more concerned with the fact that he thinks this is "a successful economic recovery". But he's young and has never seen this country the way it was a few decades ago

[Safety]

I have.

Isn't that the same phenonomon as not seeing racism, sexism, et.al until it happens to their side?

[Chris]

Myth...reality...

http://i.snag.gy/7iHzz.jpg

[donttread]

The party in charge when the economy collapses will be vilified in history. In reality both will be to blame.

As will be the donkephant supporters

[Truth Detector]

In a fairly recent trend, racism plays second fiddle to, what should we call it, bipartisanism...

Political Bias Overtakes Racial Bias (http://fee.org/anythingpeaceful/political-bias-overtakes-racial-bias/)

The article fails miserably in making such a case and its conclusion appears to focus on racial diversity in educational establishments; this was a very confused article. But political bias isn't any more new than religious bias when making life's decisions.

What I did find interesting was this paragraph about the founder of this organization which is spot on:

Leonard was always aware of the ethical and religious dimensions of human liberty. American institutions and the American way of life, he believed, ultimately rest on the tenets of the Judeo-Christian religion. It is from this source that we derive our convictions as to the meaning of life, the nature of man, the moral order, and the rights and responsibilities of individuals. The American system, as it was originally conceived, is a projection of this religious heritage, and the American dream has an implicit religious content.

[Truth Detector]

Myth...reality...

http://i.snag.gy/7iHzz.jpg

Charts like this contain no reality and are meaningless. They ignore the makeup of Congress and the political realities at the time which doesn't tell even a tenth of the whole story.

The dumbest part of charts like these is the assumption that Presidents can spend tax payer money.

Two great examples; Reagan's presidency was dominated by a very strong Democratically controlled Congress led by a crony Democratic partisan apparatchik known as Tipsy O'Neil, while BillyBob Clintons philandering presidency was dominated by a Republican Party with Newt Gingrich defining the agenda with his "contract with America" proving that Congress could actually spend less than it takes in after a 35 year hiatus from Democratically controlled Congresses.

[Chris]

The article fails miserably in making such a case and its conclusion appears to focus on racial diversity in educational establishments; this was a very confused article. But political bias isn't any more new than religious bias when making life's decisions.

What I did find interesting was this paragraph about the founder of this organization which is spot on:

Leonard was always aware of the ethical and religious dimensions of human liberty. American institutions and the American way of life, he believed, ultimately rest on the tenets of the Judeo-Christian religion. It is from this source that we derive our convictions as to the meaning of life, the nature of man, the moral order, and the rights and responsibilities of individuals. The American system, as it was originally conceived, is a projection of this religious heritage, and the American dream has an implicit religious content.


The article fails miserably in making such a case and its conclusion appears to focus on racial diversity in educational establishments; this was a very confused article. But political bias isn't any more new than religious bias when making life's decisions.

Meaningless adjectives and adverbs: miserably, confused. Say something of substance to back your opinion.


But political bias isn't any more new than religious bias when making life's decisions.

Of course, but the point of the article is political bias and intolerance has overtaken other forms.



Leonard was a libertarian, something you have many times voiced intolerance of.

[Truth Detector]

Then don't waste time trying to convince people there's alick of difference of any political significance.

Arguments that claim there are no differences between the major parties are weak, dumb, false and require the willing suspension of disbelief.

[Chris]

Charts like this contain no reality and are meaningless. They ignore the makeup of Congress and the political realities at the time which doesn't tell even a tenth of the whole story.

The dumbest part of charts like these is the assumption that Presidents can spend tax payer money.

Two great examples; Reagan's presidency was dominated by a very strong Democratically controlled Congress led by a crony Democratic partisan apparatchik known as Tipsy O'Neil, while BillyBob Clintons philandering presidency was dominated by a Republican Party with Newt Gingrich defining the agenda with his "contract with America" proving that Congress could actually spend less than it takes in after a 35 year hiatus from Democratically controlled Congresses.


The chart was posted as rebuttal to claims Clinton's presidency didn't spend like others. Pay attention to context.

Of course Congress holds the purse strings, as in the Republican Congress passing a huge spending bill recently.

Too bad Gingrich sold out on Contract with America.

[Matty]

Arguments that claim there are no differences between the major parties are weak, dumb, false and require the willing suspension of disbelief.


This has been demonstrated many times without success.

[Chris]

Arguments that claim there are no differences between the major parties are weak, dumb, false and require the willing suspension of disbelief.

More meaningless word: "weak, dumb, false and require the willing suspension of disbelief". Shallow emotional outbursts without substance to back them up.

[Chris]

This has been demonstrated many times without success.

Precisely, without success: Detectors empty adjectives have thus not been demonstrated.

[Truth Detector]

Meaningless adjectives and adverbs: miserably, confused. Say something of substance to back your opinion.

Yep; describes the above screed perfectly.


Of course, but the point of the article is political bias and intolerance has overtaken other forms.

Yes; and it failed miserably in trying to make that case, a case where there was no argument in existence and one that has existed for as long as man has tried to govern himself with forms other than tyranny and Kings.


Leonard was a libertarian, something you have many times voiced intolerance of.

I'm not so sure a Libertarian would have made the claim Leonard did about our Judeo Christian foundations; but I am amused by the idiotic meme that my disagreement with some whacko Libertarians is "intolerance." What is painfully evident is your intolerance for free speech and any disagreement with your loopy and sometimes loony OPINIONS.

Yay you!!

[Truth Detector]

The chart was posted as rebuttal to claims Clinton's presidency didn't spend like others. Pay attention to context.

How does that make it any less weak and ineffectual? It's a dumb, uninformed and weak form of rebuttal as evidenced by my statement.


Of course Congress holds the purse strings, as in the Republican Congress passing a huge spending bill recently.

How was it a huge spending bill? Be specific.


Too bad Gingrich sold out on Contract with America.

More sad that you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Truth Detector]

More meaningless word: "weak, dumb, false and require the willing suspension of disbelief". Shallow emotional outbursts without substance to back them up.

That's a perfect description of many of your posts.

[Truth Detector]

Precisely, without success: Detectors empty adjectives have thus not been demonstrated.

You agreeing with Matty is comic relief. But it is true; efforts to argue that there is no difference between the parties have lacked success and merely provide comic relief from an otherwise dull reasoning.

[Chris]

Yep; describes the above screed perfectly.



Yes; and it failed miserably in trying to make that case, a case where there was no argument in existence and one that has existed for as long as man has tried to govern himself with forms other than tyranny and Kings.



I'm not so sure a Libertarian would have made the claim Leonard did about our Judeo Christian foundations; but I am amused by the idiotic meme that my disagreement with some whacko Libertarians is "intolerance." What is painfully evident is your intolerance for free speech and any disagreement with your loopy and sometimes loony OPINIONS.

Yay you!!



Great echo trolling, which is also substanceless.


It's not Libertarian, it's libertarian. If you don't know the difference, your argument will fail. Leonard was libertarian and Christian--see "I, Pencil" for instance.


Meme? Wrong word. You are intolerant of "Libertarians." You just expressed it again. Thank you for confirming the OP.


Free speech? You don't seem to understand this concept either. It's political free speech we're (supposed to be) protected against infraction by the government. It has nothing to do with private speech.



Yay you. :Doh!:

[Chris]

How does that make it any less weak and ineffectual? It's a dumb, uninformed and weak form of rebuttal as evidenced by my statement.



How was it a huge spending bill? Be specific.



More sad that you have no idea what you are talking about.



Another string of meaningless words. Waiting on substance....

[Chris]

That's a perfect description of many of your posts.

More echo trolling.

[Chris]

You agreeing with Matty is comic relief. But it is true; efforts to argue that there is no difference between the parties have lacked success and merely provide comic relief from an otherwise dull reasoning.

Huh? I disagreed with Matty. Comprehension?

[Dr. Who]

Isn't that the same phenonomon as not seeing racism, sexism, et.al until it happens to their side?
Pretty much. People ignore or don't even notice it unless it resonates with them.

[donttread]

In a fairly recent trend, racism plays second fiddle to, what should we call it, bipartisanism...

Political Bias Overtakes Racial Bias (http://fee.org/anythingpeaceful/political-bias-overtakes-racial-bias/)

The donkephant polorizes us with rhetoric they never follow through with and the poor vote for one half and the rich vote for the other but the middle class refuses to see it's own need to support third parties.

[Bo-4]

In a fairly recent trend, racism plays second fiddle to, what should we call it, bipartisanism...

Political Bias Overtakes Racial Bias (http://fee.org/anythingpeaceful/political-bias-overtakes-racial-bias/)

Interesting bit of work thanks -

Yeah, my daughter is free to marry a black or Muslim dude, a hard core family values R would be absolutely out of the question. :)

[Chris]

Interesting bit of work thanks -

Yeah, my daughter is free to marry a black or Muslim dude, a hard core family values R would be absolutely out of the question. :)


Think of the children! The misfits that would come out of such a marriage!!

[Dr. Who]

Someone has to say it. You are so completely uninformed. Do you know what the labor force participation rate is ? Do you know that if Obama had the same rate now as he inherited, that unemployment is 9% ? Do you know how the numbers can be manipulated by the LFPR ?

I know that you are in your second year of college, and were in the top 5% of your HS class, but good grief you are just plain stupid !!
Please don't make personal attacks, it's against the forum rules.

[Matty]

Precisely, without success: Detectors empty adjectives have thus not been demonstrated.


Not a single Republican participated in or voted for Obamacare, a very glaring difference. It's not my fault you cannot see it.

[Matty]

You will never see a Senate Republican stand on the Senate floor and blatantly lie about a man paying his taxes either. Never have, never will.

[Chris]

Not a single Republican participated in or voted for Obamacare, a very glaring difference. It's not my fault you cannot see it.

Yes, and how many have voted to undo it?

Talk is cheap.

There's no difference to see.

[Truth Detector]

Yes, and how many have voted to undo it?

Talk is cheap.

There's no difference to see.

^^Clueless how Government actually works.

Obama has to sign any legislation passed by Congress; what is the likelihood he will sign the death of the ONLY legacy of his Presidency, other than amassing trillions in deficits?

[Matty]

Yes, and how many have voted to undo it?

Talk is cheap.

There's no difference to see.



That's something you tell yourself so you can explain not voting. The Republicans have tried many time to undo it. Haven't you heard your liberal buddies bragging about it? And how it failed?

[Chris]

You will never see a Senate Republican stand on the Senate floor and blatantly lie about a man paying his taxes either. Never have, never will.

Senator Bob Corker did "“not properly disclosed millions of dollars in income from real estate, hedge funds and other investments until last Friday” according to The Wall Street Journal." @ http://www.occupydemocrats.com/top-republican-senator-caught-evading-millions-in-taxes/

[Matty]

^^Clueless how Government actually works.

Obama has to sign any legislation passed by Congress; what is the likelihood he will sign the death of the ONLY thing his Presidency has actually accomplished other than amassing trillions in deficits?


Not clueless, he purposefully left out the veto part. It doesn't fit his narrative.

[Chris]

That's something you tell yourself so you can explain not voting. The Republicans have tried many time to undo it. Haven't you heard your liberal buddies bragging about it? And how it failed?

So now you're inside my head telling me how and why I think? LOL

[Truth Detector]

Senator Bob Corker did "“not properly disclosed millions of dollars in income from real estate, hedge funds and other investments until last Friday” according to The Wall Street Journal." @ http://www.occupydemocrats.com/top-republican-senator-caught-evading-millions-in-taxes/

"Occupy Democrats"???? :biglaugh:

[Chris]

^^Clueless how Government actually works.

Obama has to sign any legislation passed by Congress; what is the likelihood he will sign the death of the ONLY legacy of his Presidency, other than amassing trillions in deficits?


Nice emotional outburst. But I think we all know how government functions.

It remains true the the Rep Congress has done nothing about ObamaCare.

[Truth Detector]

Not clueless, he purposefully left out the veto part. It doesn't fit his narrative.

Good point; I should have said "dishonestly" pretends to not know how Government works.

[Chris]

"Occupy Democrats"???? :biglaugh:

Nice ad hom.

Do you ever argue substance?

[Matty]

So now you're inside my head telling me how and why I think? LOL


Did you see the question mark? It usually means I asked you a question. You don't have to answer it.

[Truth Detector]

Nice emotional outburst. But I think we all know how government functions.

It remains true the the Rep Congress has done nothing about ObamaCare.

More meaningless words strung out to deflect.

Again; how would this legislation get passed with Obama sitting in the White House?

[Chris]

Good point; I should have said "dishonestly" pretends to not know how Government works.

No insults, remember? Either contribute or find a thread you can contribute to.

[Matty]

Senator Bob Corker did "“not properly disclosed millions of dollars in income from real estate, hedge funds and other investments until last Friday” according to The Wall Street Journal." @ http://www.occupydemocrats.com/top-republican-senator-caught-evading-millions-in-taxes/


Did Bob Corker accuse another man of not paying taxes? Was it a blatant lie?

[Chris]

Did Bob Corker accuse another man of not paying taxes? Was it a blatant lie?

No, enator Bob Corker did "“not properly disclosed millions of dollars in income from real estate, hedge funds and other investments until last Friday” according to The Wall Street Journal."

[Mac-7]

Nice ad hom.

Do you ever argue substance?

Yes he does.

Do you?

[Truth Detector]

Nice ad hom.

Do you ever argue substance?

Yep; "Occupy Democrats" is a substantive web site for stringing out meaningless words. :biglaugh:

I wish you knew the real meaning of Ad hominem; you wouldn’t abuse it so much.

[Chris]

More meaningless words strung out to deflect.

Again; how would this legislation get passed with Obama sitting in the White House?

Echo trolling.

The question is what has the Rep Congress done?

The answer is nothing.

It's you that deflects to excuse Republicans.

[Matty]

Nice emotional outburst. But I think we all know how government functions.

It remains true the the Rep Congress has done nothing about ObamaCare.


What was emotional about it? It is the truth.

[Truth Detector]

Yes he does.

Do you?

Gracias.

[Truth Detector]

What was emotional about it? It is the truth.

Notice that he still has not answered the question posed as he engages in meaningless strings of words and ad hominems.

[Chris]

Yep; "Occupy Democrats" is a substantive web site for stringing out meaningless words. :biglaugh:

I wish you knew the real meaning of Ad hominem; you wouldn’t abuse it so much.

^^Defends ad hom with more ad hom.

It means attack the messenger instead of the message. The message is Corker's dishonesty. The messenger is actually the Wall Street Journal if you hadn't tripped over the medium you attacked.

[Mac-7]

Echo trolling.

The question is what has the Rep Congress done?

The answer is nothing.

It's you that deflects to excuse Republicans.

Since you didnt vote you have no standing to criticize congress

[Chris]

Did you see the question mark? It usually means I asked you a question. You don't have to answer it.

Questions carry implications. Need a lesson in English?

[Chris]

What was emotional about it? It is the truth.

What was emotional was he made up out of whole cloth that I do not understand the process. That's a lie.

[Truth Detector]

Echo trolling.

The question is what has the Rep Congress done?

The answer is nothing.

It's you that deflects to excuse Republicans.

Irony: The House has voted 54 times in four years on Obamacare

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/03/21/the-house-has-voted-54-times-in-four-years-on-obamacare-heres-the-full-list/

NEXT STRAWMAN claim Chris?

[Chris]

Since you didnt vote you have no standing to criticize congress

Voting sanctions the corrupt government we have. You thus have to standing.

[Chris]

Notice that he still has not answered the question posed as he engages in meaningless strings of words and ad hominems.

Where have I engaged in ad hom? Or are you again just making things up? Bad habit, earns you a bad reputation.

[Chris]

Irony: The House has voted 54 times in four years on Obamacare

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/03/21/the-house-has-voted-54-times-in-four-years-on-obamacare-heres-the-full-list/

NEXT STRAWMAN claim Chris?


And what have they accomplished. Again, talk is cheap.

Learn what a straw man is.

[Chris]

Yes he does.

Do you?

Can you point out where?

[Matty]

What was emotional was he made up out of whole cloth that I do not understand the process. That's a lie.


Then why persist in saying the Republicans are just like Democrats? Because, they are not. Why didn't you answer my questions instead of accusing me of telling you what's in your head? Because, I did not. I think maybe you are one who cares zip about a rational discussion.

[Truth Detector]

What was emotional was he made up out of whole cloth that I do not understand the process. That's a lie.

It wasn’t a lie or emotional; you're just stringing together a bunch of meaningless words.

When I see Liberals falsely claiming that the Republicans have done nothing about ObamaCare, it usually means they know NOTHING about how Government actually works.

Otherwise, why ask such an obviously dumb specious question all the time; unless you enjoy stringing together meaningless words or think that parroting Democrat talking points is substantive?

[Truth Detector]

Voting sanctions the corrupt government we have. You thus have to standing.

:biglaugh: You just can't make this crap up folks.

[Chris]

It wasn’t a lie or emotional; you're just stringing together a bunch of meaningless words.

When I see Liberals falsely claiming that the Republicans have done nothing about ObamaCare, it usually means they know NOTHING about how Government actually works.

Otherwise, why ask such an obviously dumb specious question all the time; unless you enjoy stringing together meaningless words or think that parroting Democrat talking points is substantive?


It was a lie. I figure you lied as an emotional reaction. You obviously have nothing rational to contribute.


So tell us what Reps have done about ObamaCare, what have they accomplished?



And again with the guberment edjucated capitalization: Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian.

[Chris]

:biglaugh: You just can't make this crap up folks.


Do you have a counter argument?

[Chris]

Then why persist in saying the Republicans are just like Democrats? Because, they are not. Why didn't you answer my questions instead of accusing me of telling you what's in your head? Because, I did not. I think maybe you are one who cares zip about a rational discussion.

Because they are the same.

I accused you of telling me what I was thinking because that's what you did. I'd quote it again but why bother when you're doing it again: "I think maybe you are one who cares zip about a rational discussion."

[Mac-7]

Voting sanctions the corrupt government we have. You thus have to standing.

Voting is necessary for free people to participate in the democratic process.

If you dont vote then your opinions dont count.

[Matty]

It was a lie. I figure you lied as an emotional reaction. You obviously have nothing rational to contribute.


Actually, he makes more sense than you do. All you do is accuse him of being emotional or of lying. He and I have both told you the Republicans have tried repeatedly to vote Obamacare down. And we have pointed out that that would fail because of the power of the veto. All you wish to do is attack.

[Truth Detector]

And what have they accomplished. Again, talk is cheap.

Learn what a straw man is.

I know what a strawman claim is; it's falsley claiming that Republicans have done nothing in Congress. DUH.

So when are you going to attempt some honesty and answer my question; what will happen when a bill to dismantle Obama's legacy legislation lands on his desk?

What about Dirty Harry Reid playing partisan games by preventing legislation from even getting a straight up or down vote?

Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) says a House bill suspending the resettlement of Syrian refugees, slated for action Thursday, will not make it to President Obama’s desk.

Reid said at a press conference that Democrats will block the legislation that requires the secretary of Homeland Security to affirm to Congress that every refugee being admitted is not a security threat.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/260778-senate-dems-vow-to-block-refugee-bill

‘Do Nothing Congress?’ House Passed More Than 350 Bills That Sit on Harry Reid’s Desk, Says Congresswoman

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/260778-senate-dems-vow-to-block-refugee-bill

[Matty]

Because they are the same.

I accused you of telling me what I was thinking because that's what you did. I'd quote it again but why bother when you're doing it again: "I think maybe you are one who cares zip about a rational discussion."


That's the truth. You are not a rational person and are incapable of reason.

[Chris]

Actually, he makes more sense than you do. All you do is accuse him of being emotional or of lying. He and I have both told you the Republicans have tried repeatedly to vote Obamacare down. And we have pointed out that that would fail because of the power of the veto. All you wish to do is attack.

What have they accomplished?


The fact you agree with someone doesn't mean they make sense. You just agree.


Where have I attacked anyone? Stop making things up.

[Mac-7]

Then why persist in saying the Republicans are just like Democrats? Because, they are not. Why didn't you answer my questions instead of accusing me of telling you what's in your head? Because, I did not. I think maybe you are one who cares zip about a rational discussion.

The libertarian, no labels, third way, non partisans are just bench warmers who watch the action from the sidelines but make no contribution themselves

[Peter1469]

Warning: discuss the topic. Use the PM functions for personal discussions.

[Truth Detector]

It was a lie. I figure you lied as an emotional reaction. You obviously have nothing rational to contribute.

So tell us what Reps have done about ObamaCare, what have they accomplished?

And again with the guberment edjucated capitalization: Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian.

More meaingless words strung together in a desperate effort to deflect and obfuscate.

http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac247/Gnome7_01/GIF/Spinning-Silhouette-Optical-Illusio.gif

[Matty]

Because they are the same.

I accused you of telling me what I was thinking because that's what you did. I'd quote it again but why bother when you're doing it again: "I think maybe you are one who cares zip about a rational discussion."


Not one bit of difference in you telling others they lie, or are having an emotional outburst. Just exactly the same!

[Truth Detector]

What have they accomplished?

The fact you agree with someone doesn't mean they make sense. You just agree.

Where have I attacked anyone? Stop making things up.

You keep attacking me; good lord....smh

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/55554-Political-Bias-Overtakes-Racial-Bias?p=1377859&viewfull=1#post1377859

[Chris]

I know what a strawman claim is; it's falsley claiming that Republicans have done nothing in Congress. DUH.

So when are you going to attempt some honesty and answer my question; what will happen when a bill to dismantle Obama's legacy legislation lands on his desk?

What about Dirty Harry Reid playing partisan games by preventing legislation from even getting a straight up or down vote?

Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) says a House bill suspending the resettlement of Syrian refugees, slated for action Thursday, will not make it to President Obama’s desk.

Reid said at a press conference that Democrats will block the legislation that requires the secretary of Homeland Security to affirm to Congress that every refugee being admitted is not a security threat.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/260778-senate-dems-vow-to-block-refugee-bill

‘Do Nothing Congress?’ House Passed More Than 350 Bills That Sit on Harry Reid’s Desk, Says Congresswoman

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/260778-senate-dems-vow-to-block-refugee-bill



That's not what a strawman is.

"The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position." @ http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

That's what you do when you make things up about me or what I think. That's what Matty did when she told me what I think.

Something is not a strawman because you think it's false.


We all know what Obama will do. Why are you asking a dumb question?


What about Reid?


I only wish Congress would do nothing. Instead they pass spending bills.

[Peter1469]

Attention: Pay attention to the warnings- TBs to follow.

[Matty]

The libertarian, no labels, third way, non partisans are just bench warmers who watch the action from the sidelines but make no contribution themselves



Exactly. Arm chair quarterbacks.

[Chris]

Not one bit of difference in you telling others they lie, or are having an emotional outburst. Just exactly the same!

I point out obvious lies and emotional outbursts.

[Matty]

The Republicans have voted numerous times to overthrow Obamacare. The President will veto if it is ever voted for the overthrow of Obamacare. Democrats have voted to keep Obama care. Big difference in party votes.

[Truth Detector]

I only wish Congress would do nothing.

So now you are wandering from "what has the Republican Congress done" to "I only wish Congress would do nothing?" :rollseyes:


Instead they pass spending bills.

News Flash: That's what Congress does in order to fund Government. DUH.

[Chris]

To get back to the topic I think the last few pages of triple-team TV wraslin' have demonstrated exactly how partisanship has overtaken all other biases. There's an intolerance for the other party, and it spills over into intolerance for any opinions or ideas that don't kowtow to party line.

[Matty]

I point out obvious lies and emotional outbursts.


The truth to you is apparently an obvious lie. And, there was No emotional outburst.

[Chris]

The Republicans have voted numerous times to overthrow Obamacare. The President will veto if it is ever voted for the overthrow of Obamacare. Democrats have voted to keep Obama care. Big difference in party votes.


So now you are wandering from "what has the Republican Congress done" to "I only wish Congress would do nothing?" :rollseyes:



News Flash: That's what Congress does in order to fund Government. DUH.


The truth to you is apparently an obvious lie. And, there was No emotional outburst.



Topic....

[Truth Detector]

I point out obvious lies and emotional outbursts.

Wrong; you fabricate them while spinning like a ballerina to avoid substantive debates that make your bloviating look absurd.

Still no answer to my questions, and now, instead of "what has Congress done; then when it is handed to you with links," you then spin it to "I only wish Congress would do nothing."

https://media.giphy.com/media/DqSw5gyRQ5yPC/giphy.gif

[Matty]

Truth Detector. this article says over 50 times


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/obamacare-repeal-republicans-congress-216274

[Truth Detector]

Topic....

So now that your off topic BS is exposed; you want to get back to the topic.....got it. ;)

[Truth Detector]

Truth Detector. this article says over 50 times

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/obamacare-repeal-republicans-congress-216274

I am good with that number too; it doesn't matter if it is 50, or 54 times.

What is obvious is that when Liberals and Libertarians erupt with comments like "what has the Republican Congress done about Obamacare", it smacks of ignorance of what is happening and how Government actually works. ::shrugs::

[Matty]

I am good with that number too; it doesn't matter if it is 50, or 54 times.

What is obvious is that when Liberals and Libertairan erupt with comments like "what has the Republican Congress done about Obamacare", it smacks of ignorance of what is happening and how Government actually works. ::shrugs::


Let them. And be glad they don't vote.

[Chris]

So now that your off topic BS is exposed; you want to get back to the topic.....got it. ;)

My point has always been "Political Bias Overtakes Racial Bias" for Dems as well as Reps. There's no difference. You're both intolerant of other opinions and ideas. That's been demonstrated.

[Matty]

My point has always been "Political Bias Overtakes Racial Bias" for Dems as well as Reps. There's no difference. You're both intolerant of other opinions and ideas. That's been demonstrated.

We have demonstrated otherwise and you have shown intolerance.

[Peter1469]

Notice: TD and Matty TBed for ignoring at least three warnings. Others are pushing it as well.

[Chris]

We have demonstrated otherwise and you have shown intolerance.

I'm perfectly open to the idea that Reps are all about big government and using it to push agenda just like Dems. Are you?

[Mac-7]

I'm perfectly open to the idea that Reps are all about big government and using it to push agenda just like Dems. Are you?

The repubs are better than your side because something beats nuthin every day

[Chris]

The repubs are better than your side because something beats nuthin every day

Yes, Reps are better at big government but I don't understand why Yes, I understand all are so intolerant of Dems who also want big government.

[JVV]

What stark differences?


^^ that

[Mac-7]

Yes, Reps are better at big government but I don't understand why Yes, I understand all are so intolerant of Dems who also want big government.

I dont want big government but democrst base voters do want bigger government.

They vote and you dont vote

so the big government crowd win elections they might not win if people like you did your civic duty.

which you dont

[Chris]

I dont want big government but democrst base voters do want bigger government.

They vote and you dont vote

so the big government crowd win elections they might not win if people like you did your civic duty.

which you dont



Mac, you have repeatedly advocated protectionist policies. What does it take to implement those policies but, you guessed it, bigger government. Moreover, your a neocon. What does it take to implement those policies but, you guessed it, bigger government.

I've never seen you advocate for smaller government.


Voting is not a civic duty. Voting sanctions the government we have. Voting, even if you voted against him, sanctions Obama as President.