Good News for Americans, Bad News for Republicans

[Cigar]

The jobs market may be showing serious signs of improvement, in new statistics out Thursday morning.

The Department of Labor said that unemployment applications fell last week by 12,000, down to a seasonally adjusted 365,000. According to the Associated Press, a consistent number below 375,000 is seen as the number that suggests hiring is strong enough to lower the unemployment rate.

In addition, the ADP National Employment Report announced that employers added an estimated 201,000 private-sector jobs in August, according to Reuters, far surpassing the original expectation of 140,000.

Fewer Americans applied for unemployment benefits last week, and a private survey showed businesses stepped up hiring in August. The data sketched a brighter outlook for the job market one day before the government reports on August employment.

Weekly applications for unemployment benefits fell by 12,000 to a seasonally adjusted 365,000, the Labor Department said Thursday. The four-week average, a less volatile measure, ticked up to 371,250.

Unemployment benefit applications are a measure of the pace of layoffs. When they consistently fall below 375,000, it suggests that hiring is strong enough to lower the unemployment rate.

Separately, payroll provider ADP said businesses added 201,000 jobs last month. That's the most reported by the survey since March. And ADP said July job growth was stronger than first thought: Employers created 173,000 jobs - 10,000 more jobs than the group reported last month.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/reports-jobs-unemployment-show-signs-of-improvement-in
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/06/us-usa-economy-employment-idUSBRE8850L320120906

[Akula]

Explain how the growth of 10,000 jobs added by businesses (reported by ADP) versus the apparent decline in unemployment applications (by 12,000) affect the nation . Does that mean there was an increase of 22,000 workers or are the effects deeper and not as easily discerned?

What are the forecasts for the next quarter?

Which industries are on the upswing and which are declining?

How many of those jobs are union?

[Chris]

Good News for Americans, Bad News for Republicans
Reps are Americans. THus your opening gambit is false and likely what follows is as well.

[Goldie Locks]

I'll wait for the revision. As I see it, we're weakening as we speak

[Cigar]

30 Months of Private Sector Job Growth is light-years better than the Job loses we were experiencing in 2008 ... period

[Goldie Locks]

Reps are Americans. THus your opening gambit is false and likely what follows is as well.

No, in the democrats mind, you're not an American unless you're an Ubamabot.

[Cigar]

I'll wait for the revision. As I see it, we're weakening as we speak


So "you" disagree that there has been 30 months of Private Sector Job Growth ?

[Goldie Locks]

30 Months of Private Sector Job Growth is light-years better than the Job loses we were experiencing in 2008 ... period

Fewer people working now than when Ubama took office. No jobs have been created. In fact this administration is down 2 MILLION jobs.

That is not growth.

[Akula]

Reps are Americans. THus your opening gambit is false and likely what follows is as well.

The headline he posted is his only original thought...and as you say, it's flawed.
The rest is pasted with no real understanding of the meaning of the numbers.

The whole reason for the post is to allow him to make partisan comments and agitate.

TNB, you know.

[Agravan]

Fewer Americans applied for unemployment benefits last week, and a private survey showed businesses stepped up hiring in August. The data sketched a brighter outlook for the job market one day before the government reports on August employment.

There are fewer application because there are fewer people in the workforce. How does that make the outlook brighter? Just because you cease to count 23 million people that have dropped from workforce, that does not make the situation "brighter".





Unemployment benefit applications are a measure of the pace of layoffs. When they consistently fall below 375,000, it suggests that hiring is strong enough to lower the unemployment rate.


So, once everybody in America is laid off, the president can say, "Hey there are no more layoffs! See what a good job I've done!"

[keymanjim]

So "you" disagree that there has been 30 months of Private Sector Job Growth ?
You tell us:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a128/keymanjim/lfprobama.jpg

[Cigar]

Is POSITIVE JOB GROWTH "each and every" Month for the last 30 Months a good thing or a bad thing?

[Goldie Locks]

You tell us:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a128/keymanjim/lfprobama.jpg



That's growth alright, growth of welfare, food stamps, unemployment.

[keymanjim]

Is POSITIVE JOB GROWTH "each and every" Month for the last 30 Months a good thing or a bad thing?

Good. IF it were true.

[respectfulguest]

good point, with supposedly an unbiased agency reporting the unemployment numbers why is it virtually every week the true unemployment numbers are always revised upwards?.. also in the current environment, private sector job growth has more to do with the resolve of the private sector than anything the federal government attempts to take credit for, although if one is to believe the current Admin the private sector 'have not built' their own businesses anyway.- (direct quote "You didn't build that")

[Akula]

Is POSITIVE JOB GROWTH "each and every" Month for the last 30 Months a good thing or a bad thing?


Source? Link?

[Cigar]

Source? Link?

Don't be a lazy ass ... look it up

http://assets.bostatic.com/frontend/projects/interactive-jobs-chart/embed/index.html?v=20120309

[Akula]

Don't be a lazy ass ... look it up

http://assets.bostatic.com/frontend/projects/interactive-jobs-chart/embed/index.html?v=20120309

Don't call me names, negro.
I'm still waiting for something original from you..Did you miss my earlier question?
Here...I'll submit it again.


Explain how the growth of 10,000 jobs added by businesses (reported by ADP) versus the apparent decline in unemployment applications (by 12,000) affect the nation . Does that mean there was an increase of 22,000 workers or are the effects deeper and not as easily discerned?

What are the forecasts for the next quarter?

Which industries are on the upswing and which are declining?

How many of those jobs are union?

[respectfulguest]

30 months of positive job growth is misleading, 1st the bar could not be set any lower as President Obama reminds us almost daily that his Admin inherited the worst recession since the great depression, so the starting point on tracking job creation from a statistical perspective could not get any lower. The more valuable indicator is how many jobs were created less number of jobs lost. What value is it to create a job when 5 jobs go away at the same time, net-net this country is down millions of jobs since President Obama took leadership, not all his fault of course but others are not beating their chest over a misleading positive jobs growth report as if it's some major accomplishment either.

also attached is a CBS link documenting that the labor dept. has revised upwards for 57 straight weeks the true weekly unemployment numbers, this should be an outrage regardless of political party, but has gotten little coverage.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-57411809/lies-damned-lies-and-unemployment-statistics/

[patrickt]

No, in the democrats mind, you're not an American unless you're an Ubamabot.

I disagree. Democrats hate Americans. Remember, the queen of the convention had her first moment of pride in the country when her husband was nominated four years ago. I haven't heard of a second epiphany and I'm sure I would have if it had happened. I'm shocked she wasn't proud when Pravda endorsed her husband. And Hugo Chavez.

[Akula]

30 months of positive job growth is misleading, 1st the bar could not be set any lower as President Obama reminds us almost daily that his Admin inherited the worst recession since the great depression, so the starting point on tracking job creation from a statistical perspective could not get any lower. The more valuable indicator is how many jobs were created less number of jobs lost. What value is it to create a job when 5 jobs go away at the same time, net-net this country is down millions of jobs since President Obama took leadership, not all his fault of course but others are not beating their chest over a misleading positive jobs growth report as if it's some major accomplishment either.

also attached is a CBS link documenting that the labor dept. has revised upwards for 57 straight weeks the true weekly unemployment numbers, this should be an outrage regardless of political party, but has gotten little coverage.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-57411809/lies-damned-lies-and-unemployment-statistics/

Of course you're right.
It's like saddling the energy producers in the country with restrictive "regulations", which in turn cause the price of EVERYTHING to rise.

Gasoline goes from 1.80 to 3.80 per gallon...Then fluctuates down to 3.60 and they say "See, the price of gasoline has dropped 20 cents. That proves how well we're doing with our "regulatory" programs."

Smoke and mirrors.

[Cigar]

Don't call me names, negro.
I'm still waiting for something original from you..Did you miss my earlier question?
Here...I'll submit it again.



I will call you anything I want, and you'll take it!

Every Month the US has "positive" Private Sector Jobs Growth ... is a good Month for Americans and a Bad Month for Republicans! :)

[Akula]

I will call you anything I want, and you'll take it!

Every Month the US has "positive" Private Sector Jobs Growth ... is a good Month for Americans and a Bad Month for Republicans! :)
Sure..sure..whatever you say, negro.

Here, boy...answer these questions regarding your OP.
Did you overlook them again?

Explain how the growth of 10,000 jobs added by businesses (reported by ADP) versus the apparent decline in unemployment applications (by 12,000) affect the nation . Does that mean there was an increase of 22,000 workers or are the effects deeper and not as easily discerned?

What are the forecasts for the next quarter?

Which industries are on the upswing and which are declining?

How many of those jobs are union?

[Cigar]

Sure..sure..whatever you say, negro.

That's Right .... :)

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/chasc5/cracker.jpg

[Akula]

That's Right .... :)


Here ya go, boy...think about it.

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4615260911436155&id=9ffae7ff2971b73f1120d0754e30ba28

[Cigar]

Here ya go, boy...think about it.

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4615260911436155&id=9ffae7ff2971b73f1120d0754e30ba28



You're going to need one bigger than that, and I suggest you bring help and lots of it.

[Akula]

You're going to need one bigger than that, and I suggest you bring help and lots of it.

Got it covered, negro. Keep talking.

[Cigar]

Got it covered, negro. Keep talking.



and don't forget to borrow some Big Balls, you'll need them to soften the landing. :smiley_ROFLMAO:

[Akula]

All bark and no bite. Keep talking boy.

[Cigar]

All bark and no bite. Keep talking boy.

Don't worry ... I'll make sure you won't hear a sound.

[Akula]

Don't worry ... I'll make sure you won't hear a sound. *yawn*..run along now, boy..I'm done with you..You're dismissed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VqG_4ADFfQ

When we say "load up" you'll get your ass in the truck, boy.

[Cigar]

:thefinger::loser::12k::flipoff::thebirdman::potty train2:

[GCF]

30 Months of Private Sector Job Growth is light-years better than the Job loses we were experiencing in 2008 ... period

LOL yea keep telling yourself that. Just have Obama sign a exc order an everyone that today that does not have a job is now consider chronicle unemploy, don't count them and unemployment is 0! Would work as good as the slow process we got going on to the same outcome.

[Cigar]

LOL yea keep telling yourself that. Just have Obama sign a exc order an everyone that today that does not have a job is now consider chronicle unemploy, don't count them and unemployment is 0! Would work as good as the slow process we got going on to the same outcome.

I didn't think this post would be good for The Country First folks here.

[Mainecoons]

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[Agravan]

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These are the only types of graphics that Cigar doesn't like. The ones that show the true numbers.

[GCF]

I didn't think this post would be good for The Country First folks here.

LOL, yea but when you hear that voice in your head say, "get your ass in that truck boy", just jump in the truck an save everybody any unneccessary hassle!:cool2:

[Cigar]

LOL, yea but when you hear that voice in your head say, "get your ass in that truck boy", just jump in the truck an save everybody any unneccessary hassle!:cool2:


I'll keep that in mind if that voice ever decides to leave the comfort of the internet. :)

[GCF]

I'll keep that in mind if that voice ever decides to leave the comfort of the internet. :)

That is all we can ask!:afro:

[Cigar]

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[Mainecoons]

Let's see, the ObamaDeficit is 4 times higher than the Bush 2007 deficit if we accept "estimates" from a government that has consistently underestimated unemployment, people leaving the work force, and the cost of ObamaCare?

I'd be embarassed to put that job chart up. But nothing embarasses you. :grin:

:rofl:

[Cigar]

When President Obama gives his speech tonight, the DOW will be at 13,200

When Candidate Obama gave his speech in 2008, the DOW was at 11,200~ Thanks $

[GCF]

When President Obama gives his speech tonight, the DOW will be at 13,200

When Candidate Obama gave his speech in 2008, the DOW was at 11,200

~ Thanks $

No one cares about that foolishness. Yet there is something interesting, Obama gets the employment numbers today we don't get them till tomorrow! His speech will circle what he knows what the numbers are gonna look like 12 hours before we do, what does he do???

Only fools and gamblers play the stock market!

[Mainecoons]

You know, Cigar, you really end up looking stupid when you hide from the threads here that blow your BS out of the water. It's really sad when the Clinton News Network exposes you:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/05/politics/fact-check-obama-jobs/index.html


The number Castro cites is an accurate description of the growth of private-sector jobs since January 2010 (http://research.stlouisfed.org/fredgraph.png?g=abw), when the long, steep slide in employment finally hit bottom. But while a total of 4.5 million jobs sounds great, it's not the whole picture.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120905025930-dnc-julian-castro-speech-00095916-story-body.jpg
(http://thepoliticalforums.com/#)




Nonfarm private payrolls hit a post-recession low of 106.8 million that month, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. The figure currently stands at 111.3 million as of July.
While that is indeed a gain of 4.5 million, it's only a net gain of 300,000 (http://research.stlouisfed.org/fredgraph.png?g=aby)over the course of the Obama administration to date. The private jobs figure stood at 111 million in January 2009, the month Obama took office.

And total nonfarm payrolls (http://research.stlouisfed.org/fredgraph.png?g=abz), including government workers, are down from 133.6 million workers at the beginning of 2009 to 133.2 million in July 2012. There's been a net loss of nearly 1 million public-sector jobs since Obama took office, despite a surge in temporary hiring for the 2010 census.
Meanwhile, the jobs that have come back aren't the same ones that were lost.

Are you better off? (http://ireport.cnn.com/topics/797214)
According to a study released last week by the liberal-leaning National Employment Law Project (http://www.nelp.org/), low-wage fields such as retail sales and food service are adding jobs nearly three times as fast as higher-paid occupations.

[Agravan]

Wait a minute, who approves and votes on budgets???
How does this compare to the budgets for the last three years...oh, wait...?

[Cigar]

* $600 billion in deficit reduction since Bush's last budget.
* Lowest spending increases since Eisenhower.
* 30 months of private sector job growth, including small businesses.
* Record corporate profits & Wall Street values.
* More millionaires and billionaires every year.
* Lowest real tax rates on the rich since 1928.
* 21 new tax cuts for middle-class families.
* 18 new tax cuts for small businesses.
* First growth in manufacturing sectors in 30 years.
* Americans #1 in worker productivity.
* Household debt reduced by half-a-trillion.
* Gas prices peaked at $4.12 under Bush.

[AceFrehley]

I stopped at the word "may".

Funny, with you liberals, we keep hearing words like "may", "might", "could", "could have", "might have", "possibly", "maybe".

Why don't you people ever want to talk about what IS?

[Agravan]

* $600 billion in deficit reduction since Bush's last budget.
* Lowest spending increases since Eisenhower.
* 30 months of private sector job growth, including small businesses.
* Record corporate profits & Wall Street values.
* More millionaires and billionaires every year.
* Lowest real tax rates on the rich since 1928.
* 21 new tax cuts for middle-class families.
* 18 new tax cuts for small businesses.
* First growth in manufacturing sectors in 30 years.
* Americans #1 in worker productivity.
* Household debt reduced by half-a-trillion.
* Gas prices peaked at $4.12 under Bush.

Great, you have all the Democratic talking points down. Now, think for yourself and answer the questions I posed.

[Cigar]

Great, you have all the Democratic talking points down. Now, think for yourself and answer the questions I posed.


It's "my" Thread, you're not giving the orders around here sport. :)

[Smartmouthwoman]

Bad news for America... worse news for the DNC. Good thing they've got their heads stuck in the sand about this $16 trillion elephant in the room, huh?

http://franks.house.gov/system/uploads/62/original/Obama_Spending_Infographic.png

[Agravan]

It's "my" Thread, you're not giving the orders around here sport. :)

Sure it is. That's your usual fall-back position when you can't, or won't, answer questions that prove embarrassing to your Savior.
Just admit it that you have no answers and are full of crap...oh, wait, this is "your" thread. I forget :).

[GCF]

It's "my" Thread, you're not giving the orders around here sport. :)

By any chance to you hear a truck pulling up?

[Akula]

By any chance to you hear a truck pulling up?

It probably won't be for some time after soetoro is defeated and the riots are quelled...but it'll happen.

[Goldie Locks]

Cigar can spew all the liberal talking points and bogus graphs all he wants but facts are facts and the fact is there are less people working today than when Ubama took office. They are 2 MILLION jobs in the hole.

[GCF]

Cigar can spew all the liberal talking points and bogus graphs all he wants but facts are facts and the fact is there are less people working today than when Ubama took office. They are 2 MILLION jobs in the hole.

I suspect Cigar is acting as a leftie when in reality he is just having fun an likely a part of the fun loving Romney boot lickers team.

[Akula]

I suspect Cigar is acting as a leftie when in reality he is just having fun an likely a part of the fun loving Romney boot lickers team.

Define "boot licker"?

[keymanjim]

It's "my" Thread, you're not giving the orders around here sport. :)
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a128/keymanjim/TKQy7KTkqkCwE3CTuOtuBw2.jpg

[Mainecoons]

I suspect Cigar is acting as a leftie when in reality he is just having fun an likely a part of the fun loving Romney boot lickers team.

I think he's scared sh**less that his "equal opportunity" set aside free ride government contract is going to get tossed if his boy loses. Cigar doesn't care about anyone but himself.

Relax Cigar, Romney won't derail your gravy train. :grin:

[Trinnity]

30 Months of Private Sector Job Growth is light-years better than the Job loses we were experiencing in 2008 ... periodThe job growth has been paltry and it's just nowhere enough. All the spin in the world does not change what people know in their gut. The nation is suffering, exhausted, and angry at this failure of a president.

[Akula]

The job growth has been paltry and it's just nowhere enough. All the spin in the world does not change what people know in their gut. The nation is suffering, exhausted, and angry at this failure of a president.

Well..not everyone..13% of the population would still vote for him if he drowned kittens on television while smoking crack with hookers.

[roadmaster]

Well..not everyone..13% of the population would still vote for him if he drowned kittens on television while smoking crack with hookers.

I think the % is higher than that. We have a big decline in morals in America even if they are living on the streets because of Obama. They will even overlook what they know is right (and I am talking about some so-called Christians) to support him. If he wins they will get what they want.

[Akula]

I think the % is higher than that. We have a big decline in morals in America even if they are living on the streets because of Obama. They will even overlook what they know is right (and I am talking about some so-called Christians) to support him. If he wins they will get what they want.

Oh..you're right..but he's got the negro vote sewed up. That's what I was referring to by 13%.

[WalterSobchak]

Oh..you're right..but he's got the negro vote sewed up. That's what I was referring to by 13%.


Wow. You really do hate black fols, don't ya?

[roadmaster]

Wow. You really do hate black fols, don't ya?

Could you explain? Negro means black, Caucasian means white. He did not use a negative term.

[Conley]

Could you explain? Negro means black, Caucasian means white. He did not use a negative term.


That's Right .... :)



Here ya go, boy...think about it.

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4615260911436155&id=9ffae7ff2971b73f1120d0754e30ba28

Well, there's one example...check his post history you'll find plenty more.

[roadmaster]

Well, there's one example...check his post history you'll find plenty more.

Ok, I get it now. Thanks.

[KnownVision]

That's Right .... :)

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/chasc5/cracker.jpg

:grin:Should read 'CRACKERS CRUMBLED'. Would be much more fit.

[KnownVision]

You're going to need one bigger than that, and I suggest you bring help and lots of it.

:grin:Well if you didn't have such a big mouth a thread would have done the job.

[KnownVision]

and don't forget to borrow some Big Balls, you'll need them to soften the landing. :smiley_ROFLMAO:

:grin:We are sure your big butt will do just fine when you land on it.

[KnownVision]

Don't worry ... I'll make sure you won't hear a sound.

:shocked:Typical lefty. Kind of sounds like when your nitwit leader gives a speech. You just love it when you don't hear a thing.

[KnownVision]

When President Obama gives his speech tonight, the DOW will be at 13,200

When Candidate Obama gave his speech in 2008, the DOW was at 11,200

~ Thanks $

:rollseyes:HaHa. And I bet he even says "You didn't do that".

[KnownVision]

It's "my" Thread, you're not giving the orders around here sport. :)

:laugh:And neither is Ubama.

[KnownVision]

Well..not everyone..13% of the population would still vote for him if he drowned kittens on television while smoking crack with hookers.

:grin:Being Ubama it would be more like drowning dogs. He likes them better for dinner.

[KnownVision]

Wow. You really do hate black fols, don't ya?

:grin:Well dude its America. We can like and dislike what we want to. Remember Ubama isn't a dictator yet.