Obama. Hey Big Spender...

[bladimz]

Think that Obama was the one tossing money around?

Not so... Fast: (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22981657/ns/politics/t/bushs-proposed-trillion-budget-biggest/#.UEitCtbN-8E)

Bush's proposed $3 trillion budget is biggest

updated 2/3/2008 6:08:35 PM ET

WASHINGTON — In the nation's first-ever $3 trillion budget proposal, President Bush seeks to seal his legacy of promoting a strong defense to fight terrorism and tax cuts to spur the economy. Democrats, who control Congress, are pledging fierce opposition to Bush's final spending plan — perhaps even until the next president takes office.

The 2009 spending plan sent to Congress on Monday will project huge budget deficits, around $400 billion for this year and next and more than double the 2007 deficit of $163 billion. But even those estimates could prove too low given the rapidly weakening economy and the total costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which Bush does not include in his request for the budget year beginning Oct. 1.

Last year, when Democrats were newly in the majority, there were drawn-out veto struggles. This year's fights could be worse because it is an election year.

The $3 trillion Bush's proposes spending in 2009 would be the first time that milestone has been reached. Bush also presided over the first budget to hit $2 trillion, in 2002. It took the government nearly 200 years to reach the first $1 trillion budget, which occurred in 1987 during the Reagan administration.
Did you note the date this article was posted? (i tried to make it pretty hard to miss). Obama, the "big spender", hadn't even been elected yet. $3 trillion is a lot of $$$. The point i'm trying to make here is that Obama isn't the one that created the 2009 spending budget. It's not about pointing the finger at Bush, the main thing i want to get across is that the continuing rant about Obama being the huge spender is seriously flawed.

[Venus]

The argument that Obama is a big spender isn't flawed, he is a big spender.

Obamacare
Failed Stimulus
Wall Street bailout, Obama voted for it as a senator, advocated for it as a presidential candidate, and lobbied the Democratic Congress to release the second batch of money while he was president-elect.



http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/09/03/yep-obamas-a-big-spender-just-like-his-predecessors/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/09/03/yep-obamas-a-big-spender-just-like-his-predecessors/)

Yep, Obama's a Big Spender...Just Like His Predecessors
+ Comment now (http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/09/03/yep-obamas-a-big-spender-just-like-his-predecessors/#comment_reply)
By Michael Strain
There is considerable confusion surrounding President Obama’s record on spending, debt, and deficits. Some point to the slow growth rate of federal spending under the president and use it to argue (http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/) that he “has actually been tighter with a buck than any United States president since Dwight D. Eisenhower.” At the same time, some on the right argue that with respect to spending and debt the president is an aberration, an anomaly, a radical departure from the tradition of post-war American presidential stewardship. Both views are wrong. In reality, the president has been very bad on spending, debt, and deficits, but he has not been radically different than previous presidents.



It's time to hold Obama accountable for what Obama has done and stop passing the buck.

[bladimz]

Calling the stimulus failed is an opinion. Ask Paul Ryan (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/guilty-as-stim-chris-hayes-digs-up-devastating-video-of-paul-ryan-stimulus-hypocrisy/):


Guilty As Stim: Chris Hayes Digs Up Devastating Video Of Paul Ryan Stimulus Hypocrisy
Newly-minted vice-presidential candidate Paul Ryan was already having a bad first week of running-matery when he told a reporter that he “never asked for stimulus,” only to be later confronted with letters in which he did exactly that, letters in which he extolled the job-creating virtues of stimulus funds. On Sunday morning’s Up with Chris Hayes, host Chris Hayes dug Ryan’s shovel-ready hole a little deeper with some devastating archival videos that show Ryan arguing for stimulus more forcefully than any Democrat.
You should watch the video that accompanies it, too.

Now if you want to hold Obama accountable for the Wall Street Bailout, i can't stop you. I just want to know who signed and approved that document? Obama may have advocated for it, but he wasn't the president at the time. If you want to hold President Obama accountable, hold him accountable for what President Obama has done.

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[Venus]

Calling the stimulus failed is an opinion. Ask Paul Ryan (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/guilty-as-stim-chris-hayes-digs-up-devastating-video-of-paul-ryan-stimulus-hypocrisy/):


You should watch the video that accompanies it, too.

Now if you want to hold Obama accountable for the Wall Street Bailout, i can't stop you. I just want to know who signed and approved that document? Obama may have advocated for it, but he wasn't the president at the time. If you want to hold President Obama accountable, hold him accountable for what President Obama has done.

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This whole "he wasn't the president" meme is going to bite your party in the ass one of these days.

Before I read your link, did you read mine?

[Venus]

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/sep/06/the-675-billion-platform-chattanooga-free-press/?opinionfreepress

The $675 billion platform


..."Since only 85 million — or 59% — of the 143 million Americans who filed actually paid taxes, according to the IRS, just funding the $674.8 billion in new spending recommended by the Democratic platform would cost the average American taxpayer an additional $7,939 in new taxes."

[bladimz]

This whole "he wasn't the president" meme is going to bite your party in the ass one of these days.

Before I read your link, did you read mine?
No, i just read your post. I'll take a look at your link. In the meantime, if, at the end of the day, the president wasn't president how can and why should you want to hold him accountable for a president's actions? I don't hold President Bush responsible for Clinton's actions. If i did, i'd demand that he be impeached for his involvement in a blowjob. But i'm not. :brushteeth:

[bladimz]

This whole "he wasn't the president" meme is going to bite your party in the ass one of these days.

Before I read your link, did you read mine?Ok, I read it, and have this to say: What kind of spending do you think Obama would have done had Bush not jacked the numbers up in the previous 4 years? Do you believe that Obama would have suddenly started a wild spending spree because he's such a "big spender"? Hardly. At the same time, why would you expect spending to drop any time soon, when we still have 2 wars to pay for. Where do you expect that money to come from if no one will accept a tax increase. Anyway, that's what i have to say.

[bladimz]

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/sep/06/the-675-billion-platform-chattanooga-free-press/?opinionfreepress

The $675 billion platform


..."Since only 85 million — or 59% — of the 143 million Americans who filed actually paid taxes, according to the IRS, just funding the $674.8 billion in new spending recommended by the Democratic platform would cost the average American taxpayer an additional $7,939 in new taxes."
From your timesfreepress.com:

The Democratic platform uses Romney's name 22 times, mentions Republicans 37 times and brings up George W. Bush three times. By contrast, the Republican platform maintains a sense of class, refusing to drag Obama through the mud, despite the president's failures.
Now you know that's not true...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/29/politics/gop-convention-wrap/index.html

Ryan energizes GOP convention with speech attacking Obama
His speech included some humorous jabs at Obama that drew laughs and ovations from a charged convention crowd.
"With all their attack ads, the president is just throwing away money -- and he's pretty experienced at that," Ryan said early in the speech. Later, he received a standing ovation when he asked: "Without a change in leadership, why would the next four years be any different from the last four years?"
Ryan also peppered his remarks with references to central government planning and control, code words for socialism among the most conservative elements of the Republican Party.

"None of us should have to settle for the best this administration offers -- a dull, adventureless journey from one entitlement to the next, a government-planned life, a country where everything is free but us," he said.
Anyway, i'm not of those who believes what any party says about who's going to raise who's taxes by how much. There's just too much bs involved in that. Legislation has to be passed, or not, to make what these soothsayers say, true.

[Mainecoons]

The Democratic platform uses Romney's name 22 times, mentions Republicans 37 times and brings up George W. Bush three times. By contrast, the Republican platform maintains a sense of class, refusing to drag Obama through the mud, despite the president's failures.

What is true is that, as usual, you can't understand what you read very well. The quoted sentence talks about the platforms of the two parties, not speeches by either of them. Plenty of sniping at both conventions in those speeches.