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Cigar
01-08-2016, 03:32 PM
Source: New York Times

A sergeant in the New York Police Department has been served with internal disciplinary charges for her role in the confrontation that led to the death in 2014 of Eric Garner, an unarmed black man who died after an officer placed him in a chokehold during an arrest on Staten Island.

Mr. Garner’s death, which has been under investigation by the United States Justice Department, illuminated the aggressive tactics of police officers in New York in confronting people suspected of minor offenses. A grand jury’s decision not to charge any of the officers involved fueled protests in New York and elsewhere and, along with several other police-involved deaths around the country, led to calls for an array of criminal justice reforms.

Police supervisors at the scene were faulted for never gaining control of the situation, in which Officer Daniel Pantaleo mounted Mr. Garner’s back and threw an arm around his neck, taking him to the ground as plainclothes officers tried to arrest Mr. Garner for selling loose cigarettes.

Mr. Garner, 43, died after repeatedly saying he was struggling to breathe. Representatives of Mr. Garner’s family, civil rights lawyers and others, including Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, called for reforms to the grand jury process, which is largely conducted behind closed doors.



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/09/nyregion/new-york-police-sergeant-to-face-internal-charges-in-eric-garner-confrontation.html



Slowly but surely ....

MisterVeritis
01-08-2016, 03:34 PM
Source: New York Times

Mr. Garner, 43, died after repeatedly saying he was struggling to breathe. Representatives of Mr. Garner’s family, civil rights lawyers and others, including Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, called for reforms to the grand jury process, which is largely conducted behind closed doors.
Slowly but surely ....
He died because he was morbidly obese.

The Xl
01-08-2016, 03:36 PM
He died because he was morbidly obese.

Yeah, and was being choked and smothered.

Criminal charges are absolutely justified, what happened to garner was disgusting.

Cigar
01-08-2016, 03:37 PM
He died because he was morbidly obese.

I don't think The Police Sargent Weight has anything to do with this Thread, but I'm sure a few missed Groceries trips will do the trick.

Cigar
01-08-2016, 03:38 PM
Yeah, and was being choked and smothered.

Criminal charges are absolutely justified, what happened to garner was disgusting.

Don't expect any Humanity from this group, unless this happens to their Mothers ... maybe. :tongue:

MisterVeritis
01-08-2016, 03:40 PM
Yeah, and was being choked and smothered.

Criminal charges are absolutely justified, what happened to garner was disgusting.
He choked on his own fat.

I saw no evidence of a criminal charge. Garner should have backed away from the table a few thousand times before taking on the police.

MisterVeritis
01-08-2016, 03:41 PM
Don't expect any Humanity from this group, unless this happens to their Mothers ... maybe. :tongue:
Is the truth hurtful to you?

The Xl
01-08-2016, 03:44 PM
He choked on his own fat.

I saw no evidence of a criminal charge. Garner should have backed away from the table a few thousand times before taking on the police.

No, he was choked by police. Anyone with working eyes can see that.

The guy was selling loosies and literally just moved his arm, that was the extent of his physical defiance. They had no right to use the force that they did. This isn't a police state, and it's high time that the officers that don't understand that are charged appropriately. Enough is enough.

Rebel Son
01-08-2016, 03:46 PM
Comply with police orders and you'll be fine. If you escalate it to a different level then I figure it's on you, black, white, green, or purple. Common sense doesn't seem to be part of the people involved in these lawsuits. I mean really, run around waving weapons, resisting arrest, and then they are the victim. Bull crap, simply putting down any weapon, complying with a request isn't really too much to ask is it?

The Xl
01-08-2016, 03:47 PM
Comply with police orders and you'll be fine. If you escalate it to a different level then I figure it's on you, black, white, green, or purple. Common sense doesn't seem to be part of the people involved in these lawsuits. I mean really, run around waving weapons, resisting arrest, and then they are the victim. Bull crap, simply putting down any weapon, complying with a request isn't really too much to ask is it?

Minor lack of compliance doesn't give the right to kill or assault. No one signed up for that. Cops aren't God, they need to get over themselves.

JDubya
01-08-2016, 04:01 PM
When all this current thug coddling results in the streets of our major cities being so overrun with ghetto trash hustlers and thugs that decent people can no longer walk down the sidewalks without being harassed and attacked, the pendulum will start to swing back the other way and the whimpering crybabies will either shut up or be ignored.

MisterVeritis
01-08-2016, 04:04 PM
No, he was choked by police. Anyone with working eyes can see that.

The guy was selling loosies and literally just moved his arm, that was the extent of his physical defiance. They had no right to use the force that they did. This isn't a police state, and it's high time that the officers that don't understand that are charged appropriately. Enough is enough.
He was a morbidly obese low-level criminal. Anyone with working eyes could have seen that.

Do you believe there are people too fat to be arrested?

MisterVeritis
01-08-2016, 04:06 PM
Minor lack of compliance doesn't give the right to kill or assault. No one signed up for that. Cops aren't God, they need to get over themselves.
If you are so fat and so ill that you cannot handle the stress that comes with confrontations then do not confront.

JDubya
01-08-2016, 04:06 PM
Minor lack of compliance doesn't give the right to kill or assault. No one signed up for that. Cops aren't God, they need to get over themselves.

Yeah, but what you obviously don't understand is that they have other, more important matters to tend to than spend half the day pussy footing around with some fat ass POS who's too ignorant, stupid and full of his own ass to comply with them when asked politely.

It's the stupid, ghetto assholes who need to get over THEMselves.

Private Pickle
01-08-2016, 04:37 PM
Scapegoat FTL.

Peter1469
01-08-2016, 04:37 PM
Is that the fat man the police killed over illegal cigarettes?


Source: New York Times

A sergeant in the New York Police Department has been served with internal disciplinary charges for her role in the confrontation that led to the death in 2014 of Eric Garner, an unarmed black man who died after an officer placed him in a chokehold during an arrest on Staten Island.

Mr. Garner’s death, which has been under investigation by the United States Justice Department, illuminated the aggressive tactics of police officers in New York in confronting people suspected of minor offenses. A grand jury’s decision not to charge any of the officers involved fueled protests in New York and elsewhere and, along with several other police-involved deaths around the country, led to calls for an array of criminal justice reforms.

Police supervisors at the scene were faulted for never gaining control of the situation, in which Officer Daniel Pantaleo mounted Mr. Garner’s back and threw an arm around his neck, taking him to the ground as plainclothes officers tried to arrest Mr. Garner for selling loose cigarettes.

Mr. Garner, 43, died after repeatedly saying he was struggling to breathe. Representatives of Mr. Garner’s family, civil rights lawyers and others, including Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, called for reforms to the grand jury process, which is largely conducted behind closed doors.



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/09/nyregion/new-york-police-sergeant-to-face-internal-charges-in-eric-garner-confrontation.html



Slowly but surely ....

MisterVeritis
01-08-2016, 04:39 PM
Is that the fat man the police killed over illegal cigarettes?
They did not kill him but he did die. He was too fat to be arrested.

texan
01-08-2016, 04:39 PM
Source: New York Times

A sergeant in the New York Police Department has been served with internal disciplinary charges for her role in the confrontation that led to the death in 2014 of Eric Garner, an unarmed black man who died after an officer placed him in a chokehold during an arrest on Staten Island.

Mr. Garner’s death, which has been under investigation by the United States Justice Department, illuminated the aggressive tactics of police officers in New York in confronting people suspected of minor offenses. A grand jury’s decision not to charge any of the officers involved fueled protests in New York and elsewhere and, along with several other police-involved deaths around the country, led to calls for an array of criminal justice reforms.

Police supervisors at the scene were faulted for never gaining control of the situation, in which Officer Daniel Pantaleo mounted Mr. Garner’s back and threw an arm around his neck, taking him to the ground as plainclothes officers tried to arrest Mr. Garner for selling loose cigarettes.

Mr. Garner, 43, died after repeatedly saying he was struggling to breathe. Representatives of Mr. Garner’s family, civil rights lawyers and others, including Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, called for reforms to the grand jury process, which is largely conducted behind closed doors.



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/09/nyregion/new-york-police-sergeant-to-face-internal-charges-in-eric-garner-confrontation.html



Slowly but surely ....

Deal with it! Also, I love the out of context "he was selling loose cigs." Yeah that was the whole story....

The Xl
01-08-2016, 04:42 PM
He was a morbidly obese low-level criminal. Anyone with working eyes could have seen that.

Do you believe there are people too fat to be arrested?

I said they didn't have the right to use the force that they did. And they didn't.

The fact that you admitted that he was a low level criminal says it all. That level of force was criminal. And I hope the book is thrown at him.

The Xl
01-08-2016, 04:43 PM
Yeah, but what you obviously don't understand is that they have other, more important matters to tend to than spend half the day pussy footing around with some fat ass POS who's too ignorant, stupid and full of his own ass to comply with them when asked politely.

It's the stupid, ghetto assholes who need to get over THEMselves.

If they can't handle the job they need to get off the force. What happened was unacceptable. It was murder.

The Xl
01-08-2016, 04:45 PM
They did not kill him but he did die. He was too fat to be arrested.
When you use unnecessary levels of force, are told by the victim that he can't breathe and persist using said levels of force, it's murder. It's an open and shutcase.

MisterVeritis
01-08-2016, 04:45 PM
I said they didn't have the right to use the force that they did. And they didn't.

The fact that you admitted that he was a low level criminal says it all. That level of force was criminal. And I hope the book is thrown at him.
They brought this habitual low-level criminal under control. They did nothing wrong. Apparently the political pressure was too much so a sergeant had to be chastened as an internal matter. There are no criminal charges.

MisterVeritis
01-08-2016, 04:46 PM
When you use unnecessary levels of force, are told by the victim that he can't breathe and persist using said levels of force, it's murder. It's an open and shutcase.
Of course you are wrong. The idiot died because he was morbidly obese and sick. That is what is open and shut.

There is no criminal case. Is there?

The Xl
01-08-2016, 04:46 PM
If you are so fat and so ill that you cannot handle the stress that comes with confrontations then do not confront.

What confrontation? Being somewhat defiant and moving your arm? Like, woah.

The Xl
01-08-2016, 04:47 PM
Of course you are wrong. The idiot died because he was morbidly obese and sick. That is what is open and shut.

There is no criminal case. Is there?

I'm completely correct. The man was choked and smothered in a case where that level of force was unwarranted. He told them he couldn't breathe, they persisted. Clear cut murder.

The Xl
01-08-2016, 04:49 PM
Not many people signed off on giving cops this level of power. No one else in society can use this level of force over something extremely minor, and they have no right to either.

MisterVeritis
01-08-2016, 04:50 PM
I'm completely correct. The man was choked and smothered in a case where that level of force was unwarranted. He told them he couldn't breathe, they persisted. Clear cut murder.
Has anything changed?
http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-city-police-officer-wont-face-criminal-charges-in-eric-garner-death-1417635275

Rebel Son
01-08-2016, 04:53 PM
Minor lack of compliance doesn't give the right to kill or assault. No one signed up for that. Cops aren't God, they need to get over themselves.

What would you suggest, I have no love for the police I assure you but only an idiot or somebody so high they don't know what they are doing would defy an order to put their hands behind their back and get taken down town knowing they have guns and will use them. Honestly, it's a no brainer to most people. Some I suppose think the law does not apply to them. Go figure.

The Xl
01-08-2016, 05:14 PM
Has anything changed?
http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-city-police-officer-wont-face-criminal-charges-in-eric-garner-death-1417635275

Cops are allowed to openly commit criminal acts and the system protects them. This is common knowledge. Doesn't change the fact that a murder occurred on that day.

The Xl
01-08-2016, 05:15 PM
What would you suggest, I have no love for the police I assure you but only an idiot or somebody so high they don't know what they are doing would defy an order to put their hands behind their back and get taken down town knowing they have guns and will use them. Honestly, it's a no brainer to most people. Some I suppose think the law does not apply to them. Go figure.

Who the fuck died and made cops God? Do your fucking jobs and use levels of force appropriately. People aren't going to take this nonsense much longer.

MisterVeritis
01-08-2016, 05:15 PM
Cops are allowed to openly commit criminal acts and the system protects them. This is common knowledge. Doesn't change the fact that a murder occurred on that day.
In other words, nothing has changed. A grand jury found insufficient evidence of wrongdoing for a criminal charge.

The Xl
01-08-2016, 05:18 PM
In other words, nothing has changed. A grand jury found insufficient evidence of wrongdoing for a criminal charge.

In their own system, the Nazis did nothing wrong, either.

MisterVeritis
01-08-2016, 05:54 PM
In their own system, the Nazis did nothing wrong, either.
Now you have moved off into Kookland. Have a very nice evening.

Rebel Son
01-08-2016, 06:12 PM
Who the $#@! died and made cops God? Do your $#@!ing jobs and use levels of force appropriately. People aren't going to take this nonsense much longer.

No they aren't, the burning buildings, killing cops, and other nonsense will stop, normal people know the difference between crap and more crap. You refuse to accept the fact if he had simply put his hands behind his back and went down town he would be back on the street selling whatever he wanted in an hour. Nope, had to be a tough guy didn't he.....

JDubya
01-08-2016, 06:44 PM
Minor lack of compliance doesn't give the right to kill or assault. No one signed up for that. Cops aren't God, they need to get over themselves.


If they can't handle the job they need to get off the force. What happened was unacceptable. It was murder.

Yeah, same stupid shit dodge your side always resorts to.

What do you suggest they should do when some fat piece of garbage refuses to submit to being handcuffed and arrested? Just shrug their shoulders then schlep away with their heads hung like losers the way you would, The Xl?

Dr. Who
01-08-2016, 06:45 PM
Comply with police orders and you'll be fine. If you escalate it to a different level then I figure it's on you, black, white, green, or purple. Common sense doesn't seem to be part of the people involved in these lawsuits. I mean really, run around waving weapons, resisting arrest, and then they are the victim. Bull crap, simply putting down any weapon, complying with a request isn't really too much to ask is it?
Unarmed and argumentative should not be an automatic death sentence if you have health issues. In the grand scheme of things selling "loosies" is really a tax crime. NYPD cost someone his life for depriving the federal government of a few cents in taxes. Meanwhile wealthy people are often depriving the government of millions with creative accounting and if they are caught for tax evasion, they are handled with kid gloves. There is a huge difference between the treatment of poor criminals and rich criminals even when they are committing essentially the same crime, and even when the rich person has committed the greater crime. If you are wealthy, the police will negotiate the terms of your arrest with your lawyer.

MisterVeritis
01-08-2016, 06:48 PM
Unarmed and argumentative should not be an automatic death sentence if you have health issues. In the grand scheme of things selling "loosies" is really a tax crime. NYPD cost someone his life for depriving the federal government of a few cents in taxes. Meanwhile wealthy people are often depriving the government of millions with creative accounting and if they are caught for tax evasion, they are handled with kid gloves. There is a huge difference between the treatment of poor criminals and rich criminals even when they are committing essentially the same crime, and even when the rich person has committed the greater crime. If you are wealthy, the police will negotiate the terms of your arrest with your lawyer.
Appeals to class warfare always help one's arguments.

He was not "killed" for selling loose cigarettes. If you are going to be a low-level habitual criminal and you are grossly obese and in general poor health it is useful to comply with police instructions.

JDubya
01-08-2016, 06:51 PM
Minor lack of compliance doesn't give the right to kill or assault. No one signed up for that. Cops aren't God, they need to get over themselves.


Unarmed and argumentative should not be an automatic death sentence if you have health issues. In the grand scheme of things selling "loosies" is really a tax crime. NYPD cost someone his life for depriving the federal government of a few cents in taxes. Meanwhile wealthy people are often depriving the government of millions with creative accounting and if they are caught for tax evasion, they are handled with kid gloves. There is a huge difference between the treatment of poor criminals and rich criminals even when they are committing essentially the same crime, and even when the rich person has committed the greater crime. If you are wealthy, the police will negotiate the terms of your arrest with your lawyer.

It wasn't for selling cigarettes. They were called by the merchants on that block because he was creating a nuisance on a public sidewalk, Einsteinette. They tried to get him go leave and he wouldn't.

Why does your side in these arguments always try to deflect attention away from what these thugs were really doing at the time of their arrest to make it sound like it was less than it really was, Dr. Who?

ThaiBoxer
01-08-2016, 06:55 PM
Why isn't the asshole who actually choked him being charged?

Dr. Who
01-08-2016, 06:57 PM
Appeals to class warfare always help one's arguments.

He was not "killed" for selling loose cigarettes. If you are going to be a low-level habitual criminal and you are grossly obese and in general poor health it is useful to comply with police instructions.
My point here is that the nature of the crime is generally not treated with takedowns on the street, unless you are poor. Someone making millions on untaxed cigarettes would be approached far differently by law enforcement. There would be a warrant issued.

Dr. Who
01-08-2016, 06:58 PM
Why isn't the asshole who actually choked him being charged?
The grand jury refused to indict.

JDubya
01-08-2016, 06:59 PM
I'm completely correct. The man was choked and smothered in a case where that level of force was unwarranted. He told them he couldn't breathe, they persisted. Clear cut murder.

Not many people signed off on giving cops this level of power. No one else in society can use this level of force over something extremely minor, and they have no right to either.

I wish the cops would permanently wipe more of this trash up off the streets. I'm sick of them shitting on and stinking up society for everyone else.

I have no sympathy for them.

ThaiBoxer
01-08-2016, 06:59 PM
The grand jury refused to indict.

We live in one of the dumbest countries in the world.

JDubya
01-08-2016, 07:00 PM
Why isn't the asshole who actually choked him being charged?


The grand jury refused to indict.

Because he didn't do anything wrong.

JDubya
01-08-2016, 07:01 PM
We live in one of the dumbest countries in the world.

Please return to Thighland at your earliest convenience.

MisterVeritis
01-08-2016, 07:02 PM
My point here is that the nature of the crime is generally not treated with takedowns on the street, unless you are poor. Someone making millions on untaxed cigarettes would be approached far differently by law enforcement. There would be a warrant issued.
Being brought under control was not about selling cigarettes. He did not comply with directions. He was a known low-level habitual criminal.

MisterVeritis
01-08-2016, 07:02 PM
We live in one of the dumbest countries in the world.
LOL.

You have the heart of a tyrant.

Dr. Who
01-08-2016, 07:03 PM
It wasn't for selling cigarettes. They were called by the merchants on that block because he was creating a nuisance on a public sidewalk, Einsteinette. They tried to get him go leave and he wouldn't.

Why does your side in these arguments always try to deflect attention away from what these thugs were really doing at the time of their arrest to make it sound like it was less than it really was, @Dr. Who (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=612)?
He may have been making a living in the underground economy, but he wasn't really a thug. In fact just prior to his arrest he had been breaking up a fight. My issue is the differential treatment of poor people vs rich people in what is really white collar crime.

JDubya
01-08-2016, 07:04 PM
LOL.

You have the heart of a tyrant.

And the IQ of a gnat.

ThaiBoxer
01-08-2016, 07:06 PM
Please return to Thighland at your earliest convenience.

My dad's from Thailand not me. I'm from Hawaii.

ThaiBoxer
01-08-2016, 07:07 PM
Because he didn't do anything wrong.

Last I checked murder was wrong.

JDubya
01-08-2016, 07:07 PM
He may have been making a living in the underground economy, but he wasn't really a thug. In fact just prior to his arrest he had been breaking up a fight. My issue is the differential treatment of poor people vs rich people in what is really white collar crime.

When corporate white collar criminals are arrested, they don't refuse to comply with the arresting officers or fight with them. These street trash morons always do. Occasionally they accidentally wind up dead. That is nobody's fault but their own.

ThaiBoxer
01-08-2016, 07:07 PM
LOL.

You have the heart of a tyrant.

Huh? Whatever brah. That makes NO sense

Tahuyaman
01-08-2016, 07:08 PM
He died because he was morbidly obese.


Yeah, and was being choked and smothered.

Criminal charges are absolutely justified, what happened to garner was disgusting.

Actually, this is one where the anti-cop crowd has a legit beef. These cops completely overreacted and created a situation which could have easily been diffused by using simple and effective communication skills. These guys were looking to show him that their **** was bigger than his. I know the type.

Dr. Who
01-08-2016, 07:09 PM
Being brought under control was not about selling cigarettes. He did not comply with directions. He was a known low-level habitual criminal.
He wasn't creating a disturbance to begin with. He was the target of police attention/harrassment. I'm not suggesting that he should have been selling "loosies", but in the scheme of things, this type of crime should be a matter of surveillance and a warrant, not an aggressive police takedown, which should be reserved for violent crime, gang-related activities and armed robberies.

JDubya
01-08-2016, 07:10 PM
Last I checked murder was wrong.

Yeah, that's par for the course for your side. Keep calling an accidental death "murder" even though the evidence says otherwise.

That's just another of your side's childish little games.

Dr. Who
01-08-2016, 07:14 PM
When corporate white collar criminals are arrested, they don't refuse to comply with the arresting officers or fight with them. These street trash morons always do. Occasionally they accidentally wind up dead. That is nobody's fault but their own.
They don't refuse to cooperate because the arrest is generally negotiated with their attorneys. The bigger the criminal you are, the better you are treated because they know you can afford the best legal counsel that money can buy.

MisterVeritis
01-08-2016, 07:15 PM
Last I checked murder was wrong.
It is clear that no murder occurred.

MisterVeritis
01-08-2016, 07:16 PM
He wasn't creating a disturbance to begin with. He was the target of police attention/harrassment. I'm not suggesting that he should have been selling "loosies", but in the scheme of things, this type of crime should be a matter of surveillance and a warrant, not an aggressive police takedown, which should be reserved for violent crime, gang-related activities and armed robberies.
We can agree to disagree.

MisterVeritis
01-08-2016, 07:18 PM
Actually, this is one where the anti-cop crowd has a legit beef. These cops completely overreacted and created a situation which could have easily been diffused by using simple and effective communication skills. These guys were looking to show him that their **** was bigger than his. I know the type.
Had Garnet not been morbidly obese, in very poor health and cooperative he might still be alive. But I doubt it.

MisterVeritis
01-08-2016, 07:20 PM
Huh? Whatever brah. That makes NO sense
Let me explain it to you. The grand jury system was designed to prevent government abuse. You are implying that the system that allows citizens determine if there is reason to bring charges is dumb. What would you replace it with, trial by combat? Or would you hope for the best with government prosecutors who have unchecked power?

The Xl
01-08-2016, 07:37 PM
Yeah, same stupid shit dodge your side always resorts to.

What do you suggest they should do when some fat piece of garbage refuses to submit to being handcuffed and arrested? Just shrug their shoulders then schlep away with their heads hung like losers the way you would, The Xl?

Their is a wide area between hanging their heads and what they did. I don't expect you to understand that, though.
Not one other sector in society can use that kind of force over something low level.

The Xl
01-08-2016, 07:38 PM
I wish the cops would permanently wipe more of this trash up off the streets. I'm sick of them shitting on and stinking up society for everyone else.

I have no sympathy for them.

I don't particularly care what you think or how you feel. It goes without saying that it's reprehensible and criminal, though.

The Xl
01-08-2016, 07:40 PM
Now you have moved off into Kookland. Have a very nice evening.

I'm sure they said the same exact thing. In any case, the logic is the same, just because a class is protected doesn't mean what they're doing isn't reprehensible or criminal. And your surrender is noted.

The Xl
01-08-2016, 07:43 PM
No they aren't, the burning buildings, killing cops, and other nonsense will stop, normal people know the difference between crap and more crap. You refuse to accept the fact if he had simply put his hands behind his back and went down town he would be back on the street selling whatever he wanted in an hour. Nope, had to be a tough guy didn't he.....
That logic doesn't apply to any other sector, and shouldn't here. Lack of compliance on some level from a child or a student or whoever wouldn't be a justifiable reason for excessive force as a defense from a parent or teacher, and shouldn't here. Cops need to get over themselves and the system needs to change.

The Xl
01-08-2016, 07:45 PM
Actually, this is one where the anti-cop crowd has a legit beef. These cops completely overreacted and created a situation which could have easily been diffused by using simple and effective communication skills. These guys were looking to show him that their **** was bigger than his. I know the type.

Kudos to you for acknowledging that.

Adelaide
01-08-2016, 07:46 PM
It's crazy I even have to make this disclaimer, but I am not alright with police brutality or how many large departments in the United States seem to lack training to properly assess situations before acting (which results in deaths and injuries). I also don't agree with their apparent militarization.

All that said, I do find it worrying how many police officers are starting to face charges and internal actions. My fear is that they will no longer do community outreach or be afraid to take action when needed because they don't want to be one of the officers on the news facing indictments and charges.

GRUMPY
01-08-2016, 07:53 PM
He died because he was morbidly obese.

he died because he was a morbidly obeses jackass knowingly violating the law in plain view, while on probation for violating the same law...when they tell you that you are under arrest you either fully comply or are resisting arrest...it is rather unlikely that they will defer to your desires and come back to arrest you at a time that you might find more agreeable...

Tahuyaman
01-09-2016, 12:12 AM
He died because he was morbidly obese.


Had Garnet not been morbidly obese, in very poor health and cooperative he might still be alive. But I doubt it.

that may or may not be true, but that doesn't mitigate the poor decisions made by the police officers.

I know now those types of officers. I worked with people like that and they made my job tougher and more dangerous than it needed to be.

Tahuyaman
01-09-2016, 12:15 AM
He died because he was morbidly obese.


Kudos to you for acknowledging that.

i was a sheriff's deputy for 14 years. I could have handled that situation effectively with no problems. In fact the illegal cigarette salesman and I would have shaken hands and parted in a friendly manner.

Those cops screwed up. I would have handled that situation completely different than they did.

i had a few guys like that in my department. I used to ridicule them in front of my reasonable co-workers. I would refuse to partner with those guys. They scared me. They caused others to be hurt needlessly.

Tahuyaman
01-09-2016, 12:28 AM
There's no way one can condone how they blew that simple situation out of proportion.

the SGT on the scene was a complete incompetent boob. There's no way one of the SGT's in my former department would have stood back and let that situation deteriorate as it did. If I was the resounding officer the SGT wouldn't have needed to anyway.

the actions by all involved were unsupportable in every way.

Tahuyaman
01-09-2016, 12:40 AM
Idiots like them are why I decided to pull the plug and resign and retire early. I could no longer be associated with those types of people.

My job was difficult enough without having to pay for their stupidity. Fortunately, that type was in the extreme minority in my department, but it only takes a couple to make life more difficult for everyone else.

One time I rolled up to a situation and found a 25 year old deputy using his flashlight to beat the shit out of an out of control kid with Downs Syndrome. I almost beat the shit out of the young deputy. It took me an hour to get that situation back under control. Every civilian at the scene wanted to get a piece of that deputy.

Tahuyaman
01-09-2016, 12:43 AM
I have zero tolerance for immature cops trying to prove their authority by using uneccessary force.

I prided myself on how many times I didn't need to use force. I can say that every quality deputy in my department knew that if they partnered with me, we were going to have a smooth running shift. No unavoidable problems.

maineman
01-09-2016, 12:45 AM
I have zero tolerance for immature cops trying to prove their authority by using uneccessary force.

I prided myself on how many times I didn't need to use force. I can say that every quality deputy in my department knew that if they partnered with me, we were going to have a smooth running shift. No unavoidable problems.

thank you for your competent, and measured service.

JDubya
01-09-2016, 12:57 AM
They don't refuse to cooperate because the arrest is generally negotiated with their attorneys. The bigger the criminal you are, the better you are treated because they know you can afford the best legal counsel that money can buy.

Or maybe it's because you aren't committing your crimes out on the street under everybody's nose.

Also, keep in mind that white collar criminals are not arrested by street cops. They are arrested by Federal agents with accounting degrees. Everything is relative. But if those same white collar criminals fight with the cops, they're gonna get forcefully taken down too. All this BS about different treatment based on race or socio economic class is just a lot of jive.

JDubya
01-09-2016, 01:03 AM
Their is a wide area between hanging their heads and what they did. I don't expect you to understand that, though.
Not one other sector in society can use that kind of force over something low level.

A big, fat, 300 lb slob with an attitude problem refuses to obey their lawful order to comply and all you can do piss your panties over the fact that they used force. Yet, you still won't suggest what you think they should have done. They gave him more than enough chances to voluntarily comply, but as usual with these a-holes, he took an attitude, refused to cooperate, so they had to wrestle him to the sidewalk. That he was in such poor physical condition was nobody's fault but his own.

I don't expect you to understand that, though.

They used only the force necessary to subdue him. Had he been in normal condition, he wouldn't have died from it.

Dr. Who
01-09-2016, 01:42 AM
Or maybe it's because you aren't committing your crimes out on the street under everybody's nose.

Also, keep in mind that white collar criminals are not arrested by street cops. They are arrested by Federal agents with accounting degrees. Everything is relative. But if those same white collar criminals fight with the cops, they're gonna get forcefully taken down too. All this BS about different treatment based on race or socio economic class is just a lot of jive.
The difference is that those cops would not harass the big time criminals because they would have to have legitimate cause to even stop them or face civil and criminal prosecution. You don't see street cops harassing mafia mob bosses or similarly high profile crooks. The police are very careful to have all of their ducks in a row when it comes to crooks with money. When it comes to petty criminals, or just poor people, they are free to violate their civil rights or fail to establish legitimate cause, because they know that the best that these people can hope for is a legal aid lawyer who might read the facts of the case ten minutes before the arraignment and will advise the accused to plead guilty and cut a deal, whether or not it is true. It turns the criminal justice system into a joke and further creates a double standard for the rich and poor. This just further encourages violations of proper protocols by police officers, because it is expedient.

Effectively the justice system is relying on the police to try and convict whomever they believe are criminal offenders (justified or not) and the whole thing is rubber stamped in the name of expediency. This is why America has more people in prison than anywhere else in the first world. People justify this breach of justice by saying - oh well they had rap sheets. Well, the question is how many of those convictions were ever based on any real evidence, but instead on terrorizing the defendant into pleading rather than risking a conviction and lengthy incarceration based on debatable circumstantial evidence, because their legal representative could never possibly properly prepare for trial?

As a result, this cycle continues and once people are labeled by police as perps, they are forever targeted for special treatment. Police officers justify this behavior by telling themselves that this guy is a low life and if he didn't really do this crime, he's probably guilty of another and the cycle is perpetuated.

Common
01-09-2016, 01:47 AM
Police arent entitled to use force when its obviously not necessary and no cop I know condones other police doing that. I was a part of the terminations of Officers and I have no regrets once investigation and due process was observed.
From what Ive seen and read of the garner incident he should have been released when it became obvious he was having difficulty breathing. I dont know exactly all that happened neither does anyone else on this forum but if it turns out to be true then the officer pays the price and no one should have a problem with that.

Police are not perfect and no one suggests they are, theres too many police on duty all the time and in contact with citizrens to many times a day for mistakes not to happen. Theres just not as many as the press an certain groups want to make it out to be.

Ethereal
01-09-2016, 01:53 AM
Police arent entitled to use force when its obviously not necessary and no cop I know condones other police doing that.

Cops do this all the time. It's a routine occurrence in this country. I could post dozens of examples.

Cthulhu
01-09-2016, 02:50 AM
They brought this habitual low-level criminal under control. They did nothing wrong. Apparently the political pressure was too much so a sergeant had to be chastened as an internal matter. There are no criminal charges.
There should be criminal charges. Manslaughter or murder.

Sent from my evil, baby seal-clubbing cellphone.

Cthulhu
01-09-2016, 02:53 AM
Yeah, same stupid $#@! dodge your side always resorts to.

What do you suggest they should do when some fat piece of garbage refuses to submit to being handcuffed and arrested? Just shrug their shoulders then schlep away with their heads hung like losers the way you would, The Xl?
Use their radio.

Not choke him to death.

Sent from my evil, baby seal-clubbing cellphone.

Cthulhu
01-09-2016, 02:57 AM
It is clear that no murder occurred.
If a private security firm did this, they would have been hunted down.

Sent from my evil, baby seal-clubbing cellphone.

ThaiBoxer
01-09-2016, 03:02 AM
Yeah, that's par for the course for your side. Keep calling an accidental death "murder" even though the evidence says otherwise.

That's just another of your side's childish little games.

There was no accidental death. The po po used a choke hold the use of which the NYPD outlawed like 20 years ago in their department. The cop should spend the rest of his life in jail. Is public execution on the street what the tea party considers to be limited government?

ThaiBoxer
01-09-2016, 03:03 AM
It is clear that no murder occurred.

The brown man is dead, isn't he?

ThaiBoxer
01-09-2016, 03:04 AM
Let me explain it to you. The grand jury system was designed to prevent government abuse. You are implying that the system that allows citizens determine if there is reason to bring charges is dumb. What would you replace it with, trial by combat? Or would you hope for the best with government prosecutors who have unchecked power?

When guilty people walk the justice system has failed.

Chris
01-09-2016, 06:37 AM
LOL.

You have the heart of a tyrant.


And the IQ of a gnat.

Stop with insults and start with discussion.

Peter1469
01-09-2016, 07:46 AM
There was no accidental death. The po po used a choke hold the use of which the NYPD outlawed like 20 years ago in their department. The cop should spend the rest of his life in jail. Is public execution on the street what the tea party considers to be limited government?

When you invoke the Tea Party(ies) the way you do, you come off as a public school educated drone.

Try to smarten up, please.

MisterVeritis
01-09-2016, 11:37 AM
If a private security firm did this, they would have been hunted down.

Sent from my evil, baby seal-clubbing cellphone.
Nonsense. If a fat, ill person dies because they did not comply the only crime was the fat, ill person's stupidity. Stupid cannot be fixed.

MisterVeritis
01-09-2016, 11:38 AM
The brown man is dead, isn't he?
And yet, no murder occurred. :-)

MisterVeritis
01-09-2016, 11:39 AM
When guilty people walk the justice system has failed.
I just shake my head.

When stupid people walk the education system has failed.

nathanbforrest45
01-09-2016, 11:40 AM
When guilty people walk the justice system has failed.

Tell that to OJ Simpson

Rebel Son
01-09-2016, 12:19 PM
He may have been making a living in the underground economy, but he wasn't really a thug. In fact just prior to his arrest he had been breaking up a fight. My issue is the differential treatment of poor people vs rich people in what is really white collar crime.
When was the last time a white collar criminal shot a police officer? Now, when was the last time a low life who was asked to leave the premise, failed to comply with that small request, and refused to put his hands behind his back shot at a cop?

There is a reason they are treated different. Bullets getting fired at them being the main one.

Tahuyaman
01-09-2016, 12:28 PM
A big, fat, 300 lb slob with an attitude problem refuses to obey their lawful order to comply and all you can do piss your panties over the fact that they used force. Yet, you still won't suggest what you think they should have done. They gave him more than enough chances to voluntarily comply, but as usual with these a-holes, he took an attitude, refused to cooperate, so they had to wrestle him to the sidewalk. That he was in such poor physical condition was nobody's fault but his own.

I don't expect you to understand that, though.

They used only the force necessary to subdue him. Had he been in normal condition, he wouldn't have died from it.


And if those police officers would have simply employed calm and effective communication skills the situation could have been settled without someone dying and others losing their career.

All they hey did was inflame the situation and try to exert their authority.

Those officers were wrong, period. There's no defense for how they handled that. None what so ever.

I would have calmy explained to him what he needs to do right now in order to make me disappear and leave him alone. If he got mouthy I would have simply said "do you think anything good will happen if we get into a fight over a few cigarettes"? "Do you really want to go to jail over something this trivial"? I more than likely would have made a joke out of the situation. But then I did that job for 14 years and made sure I maintained a decent rapport with the habitual petty criminal types.

It's called interpersonal communication skills.

Tahuyaman
01-09-2016, 12:29 PM
Tell that to OJ Simpson


Karma eventually caught up to him.

Dr. Who
01-09-2016, 12:37 PM
When was the last time a white collar criminal shot a police officer? Now, when was the last time a low life who was asked to leave the premise, failed to comply with that small request, and refused to put his hands behind his back shot at a cop?

There is a reason they are treated different. Bullets getting fired at them being the main one.
Garner was not a violent criminal and the police knew that.

GRUMPY
01-09-2016, 12:40 PM
that may or may not be true, but that doesn't mitigate the poor decisions made by the police officers.

I know now those types of officers. I worked with people like that and they made my job tougher and more dangerous than it needed to be.

son, the police did exactly what the law and the city govt required them to do...

GRUMPY
01-09-2016, 12:43 PM
i was a sheriff's deputy for 14 years. I could have handled that situation effectively with no problems. In fact the illegal cigarette salesman and I would have shaken hands and parted in a friendly manner.

Those cops screwed up. I would have handled that situation completely different than they did.

i had a few guys like that in my department. I used to ridicule them in front of my reasonable co-workers. I would refuse to partner with those guys. They scared me. They caused others to be hurt needlessly.

son, you are full of it...those cops did exactly what the law required and local govt was at the time demanding...

Tahuyaman
01-09-2016, 12:44 PM
son, the police did exactly what the law and the city govt required them to do...


The law does not require a police officer to overreact. Police officers are supposed to weigh the situation and exercise some digression and common sense when doing their job.

Officers like them put others in danger.

Ethereal
01-09-2016, 12:44 PM
son, you are full of it...those cops did exactly what the law required and local govt was at the time demanding...

Ah, the Nazi defense... we were just following orders!

GRUMPY
01-09-2016, 12:45 PM
Garner was not a violent criminal and the police knew that.

son, garner had been previously arrested some 30 times, those arrests including assault and resisting arrest...

Ethereal
01-09-2016, 12:47 PM
son, garner had been previously arrested some 30 times, those arrests including assault and resisting arrest...

Where's your evidence for this? And how many of those arrests actually resulted in convictions?

Rebel Son
01-09-2016, 12:50 PM
Garner was not a violent criminal and the police knew that.

Maybe, maybe not. You haven't explained your view about the reasons inter city people get treated differently however. I said why, have you changed your mind about why there is a difference between the two and why there is a difference in treatment? You know that all it would have taken was a minor compliance on his part and he'd still be selling whatever on the street. Somehow as it always does now days the police are at fault for people not doing what they are told.

I will agree there are times that the police overstep their bounds. As a person who has seen that up close and personally having it happen to me, I still think that people who refuse to comply with simple instructions don't have much of a leg to stand on.

Tahuyaman
01-09-2016, 12:51 PM
son, you are full of it...those cops did exactly what the law required and local govt was at the time demanding...


I was a patrol deputy for 14 years. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I was also the deputy the Lt and SGT called for when they needed someone to calm down a situation that was starting to head out of control.

Do you really think that situation should have resulted in a death? Really? Putting an emphasis on eliminating or minimizing certain petty criminal behavior can be handled without causing a death.

JDubya
01-09-2016, 12:52 PM
My point here is that the nature of the crime is generally not treated with takedowns on the street, unless you are poor. Someone making millions on untaxed cigarettes would be approached far differently by law enforcement. There would be a warrant issued.

Once again, and please try to make it stick in your mind this time Dr. Who...

He was NOT taken down because of his initial offense of selling cigarettes.

He was taken down because he refused to submit to a lawful arrest.

Get it?????

Contrary to what some people seem to think, you do not have the right to refuse to cooperate with the police and if you refuse to cooperate with them, they have the right to force you into compliance.

End.

Of.

Story.

GRUMPY
01-09-2016, 12:52 PM
son, those officers were not behaving as nazis but rather enforcing law passed by publicly elected officials...garner was on probation for the very same offense...the police were called by shop owners who sell the same product legally, paying taxes...he knew as soon as he and they saw each other, that he was going to jail...he became agitated and refused to allow himself to be cuffed...at that time they took the gentle giant, excuse me got this liberal lie confused with another liberal lie...anyway the dearly departed mr garner refused arrest and they then took him off his feet and arrested him...he died because he was a jackass, a jackass with a myriad of health issues, breaking the law in plain view, a jackass who rather than allow himself be taken into custody resisted arrest...and the rest is history...just wish i could say that the ending of this story saved the taxpayers money...

GRUMPY
01-09-2016, 12:53 PM
I was a patrol deputy for 14 years. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I was also the deputy the Lt and SGT called for when they needed someone to calm down a situation that was starting to head out of control.

Do you really think that situation should have resulted in a death? Really? Putting an emphasis on eliminating or minimizing certain petty criminal behavior can be handled without causing a death.

calm down barney before i have andy confiscate your single bullet...

MisterVeritis
01-09-2016, 12:56 PM
Do you really think that situation should have resulted in a death? Really? Putting an emphasis on eliminating or minimizing certain petty criminal behavior can be handled without causing a death.
There was no death penalty that Garner, himself did not create. He ate too much. He probably drank too much. He was in very poor health. Those were all personal choices Garner made. His final stupidity ended him. That is tough for him. But I doubt he created a vacuum.

GRUMPY
01-09-2016, 12:58 PM
Where's your evidence for this? And how many of those arrests actually resulted in convictions?

his record was discussed and made public by many and i mean many news organizations, if you doubt me son, take 30 seconds out of your busy day and do your own research...

GRUMPY
01-09-2016, 12:58 PM
There was no death penalty that Garner, himself did not create. He ate too much. He probably drank too much. He was in very poor health. Those were all personal choices Garner made. His final stupidity ended him. That is tough for him. But I doubt he created a vacuum.

much tougher on whoever dug the hole....

Tahuyaman
01-09-2016, 12:58 PM
Those officers were the type that are impressed with themselves and they were going to make sure everyone they come in contact with will be left just as impressed.

They wanted a confrontation and they got one.

I can tell you that if I had been responsible for that situation, it would have ended in a manner which was acceptable to all, from the Mayor on down.

JDubya
01-09-2016, 12:59 PM
I was a patrol deputy for 14 years. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I was also the deputy the Lt and SGT called for when they needed someone to calm down a situation that was starting to head out of control.

Anyone can claim anything they want to about themselves on the internets.

Others believing it is a different story.


Do you really think that situation should have resulted in a death? Really? Putting an emphasis on eliminating or minimizing certain petty criminal behavior can be handled without causing a death.

Once again, the guy was 300lbs if he was an ounce. He refused to comply with initial attempts to arrest him peacefully. Their only recourse was to use force. He resisted their initial level of force, so they increased the level to taking him down onto the ground.

His death was due more to his terrible physical condition than it was to anything they did.

Tahuyaman
01-09-2016, 01:02 PM
It also has been my experience that the civilians who support and condone that type of conduct by police officers think quite differently about it when they are impacted personally by that same conduct.

Tahuyaman
01-09-2016, 01:03 PM
I'll put my 14 years of experience handling situations like that peacefully over any of you every day.

JDubya
01-09-2016, 01:04 PM
Those officers were the type that are impressed with themselves and they were going to make sure everyone they come in contact with will be left just as impressed.

They wanted a confrontation and they got one.

I can tell you that if I had been responsible for that situation, it would have ended in a manner which was acceptable to all, from the Mayor on down.

IOW, you would have done this....

http://s29.postimg.org/k4oeff6bb/bootlicker.jpg

....then after apologizing to him, ran to the nearest donut shop.

Gotcha.

Tahuyaman
01-09-2016, 01:05 PM
IOW, you would have done this....

http://s29.postimg.org/k4oeff6bb/bootlicker.jpg

....then after apologizing to him, ran to the nearest donut shop.

Gotcha.

i guess that's where you go when you can't refute an opposing and informed view.....

JDubya
01-09-2016, 01:08 PM
calm down barney before i have andy confiscate your single bullet...

:biglaugh:

I was gonna post a pic of Barney in my last reply to him, but just didn't bother.

JDubya
01-09-2016, 01:08 PM
i guess that's where you go when you can't refute an opposing and informed view.....

If you ever present one, maybe we'll see.

Until then....

Chris
01-09-2016, 01:12 PM
son, you are full of it...those cops did exactly what the law required and local govt was at the time demanding...


son, the police did exactly what the law and the city govt required them to do...


son, garner had been previously arrested some 30 times, those arrests including assault and resisting arrest...


son, those officers were not behaving as nazis but rather enforcing law passed by publicly elected officials...garner was on probation for the very same offense...the police were called by shop owners who sell the same product legally, paying taxes...he knew as soon as he and they saw each other, that he was going to jail...he became agitated and refused to allow himself to be cuffed...at that time they took the gentle giant, excuse me got this liberal lie confused with another liberal lie...anyway the dearly departed mr garner refused arrest and they then took him off his feet and arrested him...he died because he was a jackass, a jackass with a myriad of health issues, breaking the law in plain view, a jackass who rather than allow himself be taken into custody resisted arrest...and the rest is history...just wish i could say that the ending of this story saved the taxpayers money...



Stop calling people son, it is baiting and belittling. Stick to discussion of topic.

Dr. Who
01-09-2016, 01:23 PM
Once again, and please try to make it stick in your mind this time @Dr. Who (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=612)...

He was NOT taken down because of his initial offense of selling cigarettes.

He was taken down because he refused to submit to a lawful arrest.

Get it?????

Contrary to what some people seem to think, you do not have the right to refuse to cooperate with the police and if you refuse to cooperate with them, they have the right to force you into compliance.

End.

Of.

Story.
Lawful arrest for what?

JDubya
01-09-2016, 01:28 PM
Lawful arrest for what?

What was he doing?

Dr. Who
01-09-2016, 01:36 PM
What was he doing?You just finished saying it wasn't about selling loosies, which by the way he denied doing. The police cannot simply arrest someone without any evidence, just on a phoned-in complaint.

Tahuyaman
01-09-2016, 01:38 PM
If you ever present one, maybe we'll see.

Until then....

you see, that's how you lose all credibility. I have presented a view of this incident based on experience in the field. All you have is, well..... Nothing. You just posed the robotic view which requires no independent thought.

Rebel Son
01-09-2016, 01:42 PM
You just finished saying it wasn't about selling loosies, which by the way he denied doing. The police cannot simply arrest someone without any evidence, just on a phoned-in complaint.

If he had complied then if he wasn't guilty he would have sit on the curb for a few until it got sorted out. The store that called in the complaint was right there after all. No harm no foul, but no. He escalated it to the point they took him down.

Tahuyaman
01-09-2016, 01:53 PM
If he had complied then if he wasn't guilty he would have sit on the curb for a few until it got sorted out. The store that called in the complaint was right there after all. No harm no foul, but no. He escalated it to the point they took him down.

The responding officers did more than their share of the escalating. The SGT on the scene should have taken charge of the situation. She didn't. She stood back cluelessly watching as a completely avoidable situation unfolded.

MisterVeritis
01-09-2016, 01:55 PM
The responding officers did more than their share of the escalating. The SGT on the scene should have taken charge of the situation. She didn't. She stood back cluelessly watching as a completely avoidable situation unfolded.
Affirmative Action?

Tahuyaman
01-09-2016, 02:04 PM
Affirmative Action?

In my mind she was obviously indecisive and just plain incompetent.

Maybe she was one of the weaker SGT's and they though having her supervise trivial emphasis patrols would be a place where she could get some experience, but cause no harm?

Rebel Son
01-09-2016, 02:11 PM
In my mind she was obviously indecisive and just plain incompetent.

Maybe she was one of the weaker SGT's and they though having her supervise trivial emphasis patrols would be a place where she could get some experience, but cause no harm?

Lord no, wouldn't want to cause harm to a criminal. Next step will be to arm the terrorist and disarm the public............Wait, that is the next EO isn't it?

Tahuyaman
01-09-2016, 02:19 PM
Lord no, wouldn't want to cause harm to a criminal. Next step will be to arm the terrorist and disarm the public............Wait, that is the next EO isn't it?


Thats so ridiculous, a reasonable response can't be formed.

Peter1469
01-09-2016, 03:01 PM
Once again, and please try to make it stick in your mind this time @Dr. Who (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=612)...

He was NOT taken down because of his initial offense of selling cigarettes.

He was taken down because he refused to submit to a lawful arrest.

Get it?????

Contrary to what some people seem to think, you do not have the right to refuse to cooperate with the police and if you refuse to cooperate with them, they have the right to force you into compliance.

End.

Of.

Story.


Submit or die.

Comply or die.

Is this the land of the free or a police state?

Rebel Son
01-09-2016, 03:09 PM
Thats so ridiculous, a reasonable response can't be formed.

Ok, your solution is what? Coddle criminals to the point they are victims like Obama does along with BLM?

Common
01-09-2016, 03:12 PM
NYPD has dozens of officers being investigated on any given day. Fact of life. Everytime some arrested makes a claim its investigated.

Someone should investigate why black people murder so many of their own, if they had done that 25 yrs ago they may have stopped some of the pure carnage buy now, instead its increasing.

Tahuyaman
01-09-2016, 03:12 PM
Ok, your solution is what? Coddle criminals to the point they are victims like Obama does along with BLM?


Another ridiculous comment which which can only be ignored.

The Xl
01-09-2016, 03:14 PM
NYPD has dozens of officers being investigated on any given day. Fact of life. Everytime some arrested makes a claim its investigated.

Someone should investigate why black people murder so many of their own, if they had done that 25 yrs ago they may have stopped some of the pure carnage buy now, instead its increasing.

Black criminals pay for their crimes. Why can't you understand that? It's a rather simple concept.

Rebel Son
01-09-2016, 03:20 PM
Another ridiculous comment which which can only be ignored.

So you have no solution. Thank you for your reply, now I know you couldn't get out of a paper bag with a blow torch.

Tahuyaman
01-09-2016, 03:26 PM
So you have no solution. Thank you for your reply, now I know you couldn't get out of a paper bag with a blow torch.


You will get a serious response when you stop making ridiculous and baiting comments.

Common
01-09-2016, 03:33 PM
Black criminals pay for their crimes. Why can't you understand that? It's a rather simple concept.

There was no mention in my post about black people not paying for their crimes. I stated clearly that someone should investigate and TRY TO SOLVE black on black murder which is the highest cause of death of young black men.

If BLack Lives Matter so much why arent they even the slightest bit concerned about those lives that they never address it.

I am not a racist but I wont not state what I believe to be the truth because it may offend others. They dont have any problem stating what might offend me.

Theres this bogus perception that if you are white and you say anything about anyone black you are a racist.
Well under that description I dont mind being called a racist.

Rebel Son
01-09-2016, 03:54 PM
Theres this bogus perception that if you are white and you say anything about anyone black you are a racist.
Well under that description I dont mind being called a racist.

Same thing I said about inter city crime before being mauled by some here. Good luck pointing anything out to them.

Common
01-09-2016, 03:59 PM
Same thing I said about inter city crime before being mauled by some here. Good luck pointing anything out to them.

You have to understand that there are elements here that will never admit they are wrong or accept anything they dont want to hear as being true.

There are the cop haters that are so unreasonable that they are unstable about it.
Then you have those here that post thread after thread of race posts that THEY LIKE and if someone posts a thread about race they dont like they will troll it endlessly.

The way to deal with that is just state what you believe to be true but that only works if YOU ARE NOT A RACIST or stating it for racist purposes. If its being stated because its true then I couldnt give a shit less who likes it or not.

The problem is on this forum the race trolls that dont like anything stated they dont want to hear are a protected class. They get away with murder here and always have.

Rebel Son
01-09-2016, 04:29 PM
You have to understand that there are elements here that will never admit they are wrong or accept anything they dont want to hear as being true.

There are the cop haters that are so unreasonable that they are unstable about it.
Then you have those here that post thread after thread of race posts that THEY LIKE and if someone posts a thread about race they dont like they will troll it endlessly.

The way to deal with that is just state what you believe to be true but that only works if YOU ARE NOT A RACIST or stating it for racist purposes. If its being stated because its true then I couldnt give a $#@! less who likes it or not.

The problem is on this forum the race trolls that dont like anything stated they dont want to hear are a protected class. They get away with murder here and always have.

Disagree, I was a plank member here before being banned for racist comments way back when. I've seen trolls like Cigar get away with much more than most and still waving the troll flag in a round about racist way without anything but a thread ban. I did join back up, but honestly don't blow smoke up my butt, I know better.

JDubya
01-09-2016, 06:33 PM
You just finished saying it wasn't about selling loosies, which by the way he denied doing. The police cannot simply arrest someone without any evidence, just on a phoned-in complaint.

"...which by the way he denied doing." :biglaugh:

Yeah, because we know criminals always admit what they were doing when they get caught. :rollseyes:

The cops made a lawful arrest for a crime that they knew is rampant around the city and costing the state millions in tax revenue.

From 2011:

On Manhattan Streets, Loosie Men Sell Illegal Smokes - The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/nyregion/05loosie.html?_r=0)

The point is @Dr. Who (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=612), they were making a legal arrest no matter if the guy denied it or not. I'm pretty sure they observed him doing it and they likely already knew about him.

Had he cooperated with them, he would have gone home alive that day and we wouldn't be wasting our time talking about him now.

Stop trying to make lame excuses for this flaunter of the law.

JDubya
01-09-2016, 06:38 PM
Black criminals pay for their crimes. Why can't you understand that? It's a rather simple concept.

Some do, some don't.

Just like with everyone else.

Mister D
01-09-2016, 06:40 PM
"...which by the way he denied doing." :biglaugh:

Yeah, because we know criminals always admit what they were doing when they get caught. :rollseyes:

The cops made a lawful arrest for a crime that they knew is rampant around the city and costing the state millions in tax revenue.

From 2011:

On Manhattan Streets, Loosie Men Sell Illegal Smokes - The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/nyregion/05loosie.html?_r=0)

The point is @Dr. Who (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=612), they were making a legal arrest no matter if the guy denied it or not. I'm pretty sure they observed him doing it and they likely already knew about him.

Had he cooperated with them, he would have gone home alive that day and we wouldn't be wasting our time talking about him now.

Stop trying to make lame excuses for this flaunter of the law.

They also hurt small businesses (e.g. convenience stores etc.) by under selling them. Worst still, they'll do it right outside the stores in question.

Tahuyaman
01-09-2016, 06:45 PM
Police should be held to a higher standard of conduct than the one applied to the Petty criminals.