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Peter1469
01-09-2016, 06:38 PM
A new survey (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-01-08/new-poll-shows-donald-trump-is-a-real-threat-to-hillary-clinton) shows 20% of dems voting for Trump instead of Hillary.


The survey by Washington-based Mercury Analytics is a combination online questionnaire and "dial-test" of Trump's first big campaign ad among 916 self-proclaimed "likely voters" (this video (http://masurveys.com/usnews_trump1) shows the ad and the dial test results). It took place primarily Wednesday and Thursday and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percent.


Nearly 20 percent of likely Democratic voters say they'd cross sides and vote for Trump, while a small number, or 14 percent, of Republicans claim they'd vote for Clinton. When those groups were further broken down, a far higher percentage of the crossover Democrats contend they are "100 percent sure" of switching than the Republicans.


I think the numbers are significantly higher than 20%.

Crepitus
01-09-2016, 07:39 PM
just proves there are low info voters on both sides.

Mister D
01-09-2016, 07:46 PM
just proves there are low info voters on both sides.

To be fair, once you have more information you realize voting for Hillary or or any of the GOP contenders (sans Trump) is voting for more of the same.

Peter1469
01-09-2016, 07:51 PM
To be fair, once you have more information you realize voting for Hillary or or any of the GOP contenders (sans Trump) is voting for more of the same.

Right. Low information voters pull (D) or (R) regardless. With little if zero thought.

TrueBlue
01-09-2016, 09:04 PM
A new survey (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-01-08/new-poll-shows-donald-trump-is-a-real-threat-to-hillary-clinton) shows 20% of dems voting for Trump instead of Hillary.




I think the numbers are significantly higher than 20%.
Oh yeah, and they even showed pictures of the voters that were crossing over.

http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/rolleye/18.gif http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/rolleye/3.gif http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/rolleye/7.gif

Common
01-09-2016, 09:15 PM
There are indications that independents who at the start of this election cycle leaned left have now gone to leaning right but that is prone to change

zelmo1234
01-09-2016, 10:26 PM
The left has always contended that it was the far right and tea party that supported Trump, When nothing could be further from the truth.

Crepitus
01-09-2016, 11:13 PM
The left has always contended that it was the far right and tea party that supported Trump, When nothing could be further from the truth.
LOL, just 'cause a few left leaning nutters jumped ship doesn't change that.

Common
01-10-2016, 12:24 AM
LOL, just 'cause a few left leaning nutters jumped ship doesn't change that.

Are you sure its just a few and why would they be nutters for changing their mind. I have changed my mind and my positions many times over my voting life.

gamewell45
01-10-2016, 12:43 AM
A new survey (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-01-08/new-poll-shows-donald-trump-is-a-real-threat-to-hillary-clinton) shows 20% of dems voting for Trump instead of Hillary.




I think the numbers are significantly higher than 20%.

Which raises the question; how many repubs will vote for Hillary as opposed to Trump??

Common
01-10-2016, 12:57 AM
The left has always contended that it was the far right and tea party that supported Trump, When nothing could be further from the truth.

Theres alot of Somebodies supporting trump, If they arent traditional GOP and teaparty and democrats and certainly not minorities, then it has to be the majority of independents.

zelmo1234
01-10-2016, 01:05 AM
Which raises the question; how many repubs will vote for Hillary as opposed to Trump??

None. They may not vote, or they may vote third party, but Hillary is hated by the GOP

zelmo1234
01-10-2016, 01:11 AM
Theres alot of Somebodies supporting trump, If they arent traditional GOP and teaparty and democrats and certainly not minorities, then it has to be the majority of independents.

Democrats are facing a real problem, Chicago, Baltimore and Ferguson have opened the eyes of the Minority communities, and they are starting to understand that the Democrats were just giving them lip service.

Women Can't stand Hillary Clinton

And Trump appeals to the low information and independent voters. The Conservative wing of the GOP would not likely support Trump unless Cruz was the VP, which I think will happened if Trump gets the nod.

Add to this the fact that when the justice dept does not bring charges against Hillary, there is going to be a revolt in the FBI, and Justice Dept.

this is going to open the eyes of even more voters, the economy and war in the middle east work against her as well.

Add to this the fact that her lead has fallen to next to nothing, and it is becoming a perfect storm. one that could even produce a super majority in the Senate.

Crepitus
01-10-2016, 01:28 AM
Are you sure its just a few and why would they be nutters for changing their mind. I have changed my mind and my positions many times over my voting life.

Just my opinion, just like everyone else here posts.

Dr. Who
01-10-2016, 01:39 AM
The left has always contended that it was the far right and tea party that supported Trump, When nothing could be further from the truth.
Trump is supported by reactionaries.

gamewell45
01-10-2016, 01:50 AM
None. They may not vote, or they may vote third party, but Hillary is hated by the GOP

I've got news for you; I know of at least 2 repubs that plan on voting for Hillary if she is the dems candidate; both of them are women who feel its time for a woman to be in the White House. If i know of two, there has to be more around the country who feel as the two women feel.

kilgram
01-10-2016, 07:10 AM
LOL, just 'cause a few left leaning nutters jumped ship doesn't change that.
Democrats are right,too.

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Peter1469
01-10-2016, 07:23 AM
Oh yeah, and they even showed pictures of the voters that were crossing over.

http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/rolleye/18.gif http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/rolleye/3.gif http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/rolleye/7.gif


You want pictures? :shocked:

Peter1469
01-10-2016, 07:24 AM
Which raises the question; how many repubs will vote for Hillary as opposed to Trump??

The OP provides that information.

14%.

Peter1469
01-10-2016, 07:25 AM
Trump is supported by reactionaries.

Populists; people who reject the Establishment.

donttread
01-10-2016, 08:50 AM
A new survey (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-01-08/new-poll-shows-donald-trump-is-a-real-threat-to-hillary-clinton) shows 20% of dems voting for Trump instead of Hillary.





I think the numbers are significantly higher than 20%.


This is a good thing. Not that Trump will be or should be elected, but that democrats are finally getting sick of the status quo within their party

zelmo1234
01-10-2016, 09:40 AM
I've got news for you; I know of at least 2 repubs that plan on voting for Hillary if she is the dems candidate; both of them are women who feel its time for a woman to be in the White House. If i know of two, there has to be more around the country who feel as the two women feel.

Of course there will be some, but most of the women in the GOP are very pro life, and the Clintons are from a culture of death. Most Women in the GOP are very traditional family and Hillary supports her Husbands lifestyle even defending his sexual assaults on women.

I will take my chances on that because Women don't have a favorable opinion of Hillary, I think there will be far more defecting from the DNC than the few that will defect from the GOP

zelmo1234
01-10-2016, 09:42 AM
Trumps problem lies in the defection of the Conservative Base of the party and the TEA party, who will only vote for him with a Cruz as the VP

I think he will be smart enough to know that.

Peter1469
01-10-2016, 09:42 AM
Of course there will be some, but most of the women in the GOP are very pro life, and the Clintons are from a culture of death. Most Women in the GOP are very traditional family and Hillary supports her Husbands lifestyle even defending his sexual assaults on women.

I will take my chances on that because Women don't have a favorable opinion of Hillary, I think there will be far more defecting from the DNC than the few that will defect from the GOP

The republicans who would vote for Hillary likely would only do it because of Trump. Vote for a crook or a non-politician who some regard as a buffoon.

PolWatch
01-10-2016, 10:08 AM
I think a Trump/Clinton election will result in the lowest voter turn-out in history. Trump is successfully splintering the gop and it is beginning to look like Clinton is doing the same for the dems. I don't think this election will produce a viable third party candidate but there is hope that will change in the next election.

Peter1469
01-10-2016, 10:14 AM
I think a Trump/Clinton election will result in the lowest voter turn-out in history. Trump is successfully splintering the gop and it is beginning to look like Clinton is doing the same for the dems. I don't think this election will produce a viable third party candidate but there is hope that will change in the next election.

The GOP splintered itself. The base elects republicans to office and they ignore the base. Why vote for people if they don't do what they were sent to do?

Subdermal
01-10-2016, 07:19 PM
Trumps problem lies in the defection of the Conservative Base of the party and the TEA party, who will only vote for him with a Cruz as the VP

I think he will be smart enough to know that.

I do not believe you are correct. I believe I am typical of conservatives - and I am more than willing to vote for Trump, regardless if Cruz is on the ticket.

I would consider that a fantastic bonus.

zelmo1234
01-10-2016, 10:37 PM
I do not believe you are correct. I believe I am typical of conservatives - and I am more than willing to vote for Trump, regardless if Cruz is on the ticket.

I would consider that a fantastic bonus.

Other than the border, there is nothing conservative about Trump. What remains to be seen is if the Conservative base is willing to support a progressive because he happens to break the establishment wing of the party.