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Sane Centrist
01-13-2016, 04:03 PM
This is not a Trump bashing post but it is meant in the spirit of gathering views & opinions on Nikki Haley's Speech last night.

In her speech she, subtly, subliminally sent a message to all conservatives as well as the rest of the country that we as a country should stick together.

This is nice to see & hear, especially during these times of divisiveness & separation.

It is widely known by now that Mr. Trump's brand of rhetoric (while garnering support from those afraid of "the other") has not resonated so well with everybody else.

I personally don't have any ill feelings towards Mr. Trump, but I don't see how his type of rhetoric brings people together.

I will post a video of Nikki speaking about the controversy with Matt Lauer, as well as some tweets that Ann Coulter made about Nikki's comments and I'd like for all of you to weigh in on the subject.

Thanks.................


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzuH47wTiAw

Below was Ann Coulters thoughts on the matter, seems like these people really don't like it when one soldier falls out of line to speak truth to power.

Coulter’s passion on the immigration issue has led her to being a huge supporter of GOP front-runner Donald Trump. That fondness for Trump has also led Coulter to defend the candidate from critics. One such critic is South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley.

Haley said, “During anxious times, it can be tempting to follow the siren call of the angriest voices. We must resist that temptation. No one who is willing to work hard, abide by our laws, and love our traditions should ever feel unwelcome in this country.”


She also added, “Some people think that you have to be the loudest voice in the room to make a difference. That is just not true. Often, the best thing we can do is turn down the volume.”

These were viewed as direct assaults on Donald Trump.

After hearing Haley’s speech, Coulter unleashed a flurry of attacks on Haley.

Trump should deport Nikki Haley.
— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) January 13, 2016 (https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/687114640782921728)


Nikki Haley: "No one who is willing to work hard should ever be turned away." That's the definition of open borders.
— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) January 13, 2016 (https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/687114835579002881)



Nikki Haley says "welcoming properly vetted legal immigrants, regardless of religion." Translation: let in all the Muslims.
— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) January 13, 2016 (https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/687115030031167489)



Hey Nikki – how can you "vet" if you can't look at religion?
— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) January 13, 2016 (https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/687115123593461761)



Haley: Let in unlimited immigrants "just like we have for centuries." Has she read a history book? Coolidge shut it down for 1/2 a century.
— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) January 13, 2016 (https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/687115513802158080)



Nikki Haley: "The best thing we can do is turn down the volume" Translation: Voters need to shut the hell up.
— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) January 13, 2016 (https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/687116089835286528)

Cigar
01-13-2016, 04:13 PM
Out of all The GOP responses to the SOTU speeches, this one won't land on SNL

All jokes aside, I thought she did a really good job delivering her message without embarrassing her party.

MisterVeritis
01-13-2016, 04:37 PM
She is an Establishment Republican who took shots at the Republican front runners. She is dead to me.

Sane Centrist
01-13-2016, 04:43 PM
Out of all The GOP responses to the SOTU speeches, this one won't land on SNL

All jokes aside, I thought she did a really good job delivering her message without embarrassing her party.

I thought she did a very good job of saying what most people (regardless of where they are politically) are thinking.

What's shameful though is how many mainstream, big name conservative pundits & politicians are attacking her.

We won't even go into all of the conservative voters that are ready to dismember her, and to think all because she has a message of togetherness.

It's scary to think that such a simple message would generate so much toxicity & hatred.

Boris The Animal
01-13-2016, 04:46 PM
I thought she did a very good job of saying what most people (regardless of where they are politically) are thinking.

What's shameful though is how many mainstream, big name conservative pundits & politicians are attacking her.

We won't even go into all of the conservative voters that are ready to dismember her, and to think all because she has a message of togetherness.

It's scary to think that such a simple message would generate so much toxicity & hatred.I don't give a crap about "togetherness" when the enemy (aka the Democrat party) is out to destroy the US.

Sane Centrist
01-13-2016, 04:53 PM
I don't give a crap about "togetherness" when the enemy (aka the Democrat party) is out to destroy the US.


Ok..................... Did you play tag football as a kid with no Helmut?


Did somebody take you out back behind your house while you were growing up, and beat you like a slave? (daily)


Did you fall off a motorcycle at some point in your life and whack your head on one of those steel sewage drains?


What..................the.................hell.... ...........happened.................to............ ........you??????

Boris The Animal
01-13-2016, 04:59 PM
Ok..................... Did you play tag football as a kid with no Helmut?


Did somebody take you out back behind your house while you were growing up, and beat you like a slave? (daily)


Did you fall off a motorcycle at some point in your life and whack your head on one of those steel sewage drains?


What..................the.................hell.... ...........happened.................to............ ........you??????Nothing. Not a damned thing! I see firsthand what Leftist policies have done to my city and state. Both are ruined. This is one reason why I will always call Democrats the enemy.

texan
01-13-2016, 05:03 PM
People need to get a grip.

The Laura Ingram's, Mark levin's and Savage's need to grow up a little.

Limbaugh had no problem with it and hannity for the most part didn't stayed on the fence.

#overreactionmondayonwednesday

Matty
01-13-2016, 05:05 PM
Nothing. Not a damned thing! I see firsthand what Leftist policies have done to my city and state. Both are ruined. This is one reason why I will always call Democrats the enemy.


And, you won't be wrong either.

MisterVeritis
01-13-2016, 05:17 PM
People need to get a grip.

The Laura Ingram's, Mark levin's and Savage's need to grow up a little.

Limbaugh had no problem with it and hannity for the most part didn't stayed on the fence.

#overreactionmondayonwednesday
Do you look to select others for your opinions? I did not watch last night but did hear clips today. It is clear to me that she has cast her lot with the Establishment Republicans. She is done.

Nutz
01-13-2016, 05:58 PM
We are taking back the GOP from the pseudo-conservatives and the teapers.

AMEN!!!!

Matty
01-13-2016, 06:06 PM
It's laughable that the moron left has divided the country for eight long years and NOW they pretend they want us to work together!

Boris The Animal
01-13-2016, 06:14 PM
It's laughable that the moron left has divided the country for eight long years and NOW they pretend they want us to work together!Are you kidding? The Left have always had it in for America and especially Conservatives in particular. Case in point. The Left has been royally pissed off since they first lost control of the House in 1994.

Mac-7
01-13-2016, 06:46 PM
Ok..................... Did you play tag football as a kid with no Helmut?


Did somebody take you out back behind your house while you were growing up, and beat you like a slave? (daily)


Did you fall off a motorcycle at some point in your life and whack your head on one of those steel sewage drains?


What..................the.................hell.... ...........happened.................to............ ........you??????

You call yourself a centrist?

I think you're a liberal jerk who only pretends to be non partisan

Boris did'nt attack you in his post but merely expressed his opinion about the democrats.

Yet you wasted no time getting personal with him.

MisterVeritis
01-13-2016, 06:51 PM
We are taking back the GOP from the pseudo-conservatives and the teapers.

AMEN!!!!
It is the other way around. Conservatives are wresting control of the Republican party away from the Socialists in our party. They, and people like you, must be defeated. You will be.

Trump 2016.

maineman
01-13-2016, 07:09 PM
I don't give a crap about "togetherness" when the enemy (aka the Democrat party) is out to destroy the US.

if we just shot all the democrats, we'd be a much better country, eh?

MisterVeritis
01-13-2016, 07:14 PM
if we just shot all the democrats, we'd be a much better country, eh?
That or drive them into the oceans. Fish food.

Mac-7
01-13-2016, 07:17 PM
if we just shot all the democrats, we'd be a much better country, eh?

Thats an escalation of the rancor.

we want to regain political power but that is allowed in a civil society.

you are the one talking about killing people.

Sane Centrist
01-13-2016, 07:18 PM
Nothing. Not a damned thing! I see firsthand what Leftist policies have done to my city and state. Both are ruined. This is one reason why I will always call Democrats the enemy.

Ok, fair enough,

But I'd like some specific examples (with iron clad proof) that policies created by either democrats in your state or in Washington have made things bad for you or your state.

Also before you even bother to do that let me ask you a fair question...

How has your life "personally" (not others that you know you really don't give a damn about) been negatively impacted these last seven years since Barrack Obama became the 44th president - and before you answer that question, please know that I'm going to want specific examples with iron clad proof.

You may now proceed.................

Mac-7
01-13-2016, 07:20 PM
haley wants to burn bridges to the conservative republican base.

MisterVeritis
01-13-2016, 07:24 PM
Thats an escalation of the rancor.

we want to regain political power but that is allowed in a civil society.

you are the one talking about killing people.
I think he has a good idea...

Sane Centrist
01-13-2016, 07:28 PM
You call yourself a centrist?

I think you're a liberal jerk who only pretends to be non partisan

Boris did'nt attack you in his post but merely expressed his opinion about the democrats.

Yet you wasted no time getting personal with him.

You, again with the user name thing, dude seriously get some new material because you tearing apart my user name has gone past old into (lame as hell) territory.

Next, something tells me Boris is a big enough boy to answer for himself................

I asked him what I asked him because this was his reply to a very rational question about what one republican said about another:

"I will post a video of Nikki speaking about the controversy with Matt Lauer, as well as some tweets that Ann Coulter made about Nikki's comments and I'd like for all of you to weigh in on the subject."


Now, in your rational mind - do you really think that - that question deserved this type of response:


"I don't give a crap about "togetherness" when the enemy (aka the Democrat party) is out to destroy the US."

This is clearly the answer of somebody waaaaaaaaaay the hell out in right field somewhere that has lost "ALL" objectivity and I called him out for it, that is....if it's ok with you........Dad...


Now, with all of that said do you think you can comment on Nikki's speech or would you rather keep following me from thread to thread constantly asking me why I call myself a centrist?:geez:

Mac-7
01-13-2016, 07:29 PM
I think he has a good idea...

I think he's being disingenuous

its on his mind because thats what he really wants to do to conservatives.

Matty
01-13-2016, 07:31 PM
Roflmlwaaao

Mac-7
01-13-2016, 07:34 PM
You, again with the user name thing, dude seriously get some new material because you tearing apart my user name has gone past old into (lame as hell) territory.

Next, something tells me Boris is a big enough boy to answer for himself................

I asked him what I asked him because this was his reply to a very rational question about what one republican said about another:

"I will post a video of Nikki speaking about the controversy with Matt Lauer, as well as some tweets that Ann Coulter made about Nikki's comments and I'd like for all of you to weigh in on the subject."


Now, in your rational mind - do you really think that - that question deserved this type of response:


"I don't give a crap about "togetherness" when the enemy (aka the Democrat party) is out to destroy the US."

This is clearly the answer of somebody waaaaaaaaaay the hell out in right field somewhere that has lost "ALL" objectivity and I called him out for it, that is....if it's ok with you........Dad...


Now, with all of that said do you think you can comment on Nikki's speech or would you rather keep following me from thread to thread constantly asking me why I call myself a centrist?:geez:

I agree that Boris does not need my help.

but when you drag your own op into the mud its worth noting and I did.

my opinion of haley is lower today than yesterday.

she sounds like a typical business as usual washingtion establishment republican who is attacking trump because he is not part of her elitest club.

Sane Centrist
01-13-2016, 07:36 PM
haley wants to burn bridges to the conservative republican base.

Really, where & how do you get that from what she said?

Nikki Haley is quickly becoming someone I wish was in the race because if she keeps this kind of "unity" talk up, I'd vote for her. (seriously)

I'm not crazy about Hillary although I'm not having melt-downs over her the way you guys are, Bernie is just too far to the left so he'll never get the middle of the country (the same way Trump never will) so neither one of them have a snowballs chance in hell.

I wish we had a candidate like Nikki that was trying to find some common ground who also has the courage to not slam every "brown" person on the planet the way Donald has just for TV ratings.

Sane Centrist
01-13-2016, 07:38 PM
I agree that Boris does not need my help.

but when you drag your own op into the mud its worth noting and I did.

my opinion of haley is lower today than yesterday.

she sounds like a typical business as usual washingtion establishment republican who is attacking trump because he is not part of her elitest club.

Your wrong in your assessment of her, and I think she's exactly the type of candidate you guys need, really I'm being dead serious.

I wouldn't mind a republican president that's going to work on both sides of the aisle, and not turn every issue into a political football the way everybody else does.

MisterVeritis
01-13-2016, 07:39 PM
I think he's being disingenuous

its on his mind because thats what he really wants to do to conservatives.
Even so, ridding ourselves of liberals is a wonderful idea.

MisterVeritis
01-13-2016, 07:41 PM
Really, where & how do you get that from what she said?

Nikki Haley is quickly becoming someone I wish was in the race because if she keeps this kind of "unity" talk up, I'd vote for her. (seriously)

I'm not crazy about Hillary although I'm not having melt-downs over her the way you guys are, Bernie is just too far to the left so he'll never get the middle of the country (the same way Trump never will) so neither one of them have a snowballs chance in hell.

I wish we had a candidate like Nikki that was trying to find some common ground who also has the courage to not slam every "brown" person on the planet the way Donald has just for TV ratings.
She is just one more establishment Republican.

Screw her. She is done. She blamed us. To hell with her.

MisterVeritis
01-13-2016, 07:43 PM
Your wrong in your assessment of her, and I think she's exactly the type of candidate you guys need, really I'm being dead serious.

I wouldn't mind a republican president that's going to work on both sides of the aisle, and not turn every issue into a political football the way everybody else does.
Only if we want to lose.

Nice try. I believe you hate Conservatives and I believe you hate the nation. Thanks, but no thanks.

Trump 2016.

Mac-7
01-13-2016, 07:43 PM
Really, where & how do you get that from what she said?

Nikki Haley is quickly becoming someone I wish was in the race because if she keeps this kind of "unity" talk up, I'd vote for her. (seriously)

I'm not crazy about Hillary although I'm not having melt-downs over her the way you guys are, Bernie is just too far to the left so he'll never get the middle of the country (the same way Trump never will) so neither one of them have a snowballs chance in hell.

I wish we had a candidate like Nikki that was trying to find some common ground who also has the courage to not slam every "brown" person on the planet the way Donald has just for TV ratings.

America admits more legal immigrants than any other country but that is not enough to satisfy some people.

Trump wants to end the flood of illegal aliens.

If haley has a problem with that then she os put of step with me.

maineman
01-13-2016, 07:44 PM
Thats an escalation of the rancor.

we want to regain political power but that is allowed in a civil society.

you are the one talking about killing people.

Do you refer to your political opponents as adversaries or enemies?

Mac-7
01-13-2016, 07:53 PM
Your wrong in your assessment of her, and I think she's exactly the type of candidate you guys need, really I'm being dead serious.

I wouldn't mind a republican president that's going to work on both sides of the aisle, and not turn every issue into a political football the way everybody else does.

"You guys?"

Thanks for the advice.

but I think conservatives would rather nominate someone who represents our views first rather than the preferences of outsiders like you.

Maybe you should slow down and try to absorb what we are saying before you decide to attack us

that goes for haley too who seems to be quite full of herself

Boris The Animal
01-13-2016, 07:54 PM
Your wrong in your assessment of her, and I think she's exactly the type of candidate you guys need, really I'm being dead serious.

I wouldn't mind a republican president that's going to work on both sides of the aisle, and not turn every issue into a political football the way everybody else does.We tried that "moderate " sh!t with McStain and Romney the last two time.

valley ranch
01-13-2016, 07:58 PM
How dare Donald Trump say what most of us are thinking.

Sane Centrist
01-13-2016, 08:04 PM
It's laughable that the moron left has divided the country for eight long years and NOW they pretend they want us to work together!

Ok, the cat with the glasses is.......................different...:icon_salut:

First, you call people in a different camp other than your self "the moron left" not very "articulate" but it does tell one where you are psychologically.

Second, you say that the left has divided the country for eight long years now, and even though I've been hearing this nonsense literally from the night the president was elected - I have yet been presented with any concrete evidence of that being...........true.

If I remember correctly it was the right (that openly admitted) shortly after the president was elected who all pretty much made a pact to say no...........to everything the president would try to do...........pretty much..........before........they.........ever..... ........even.........heard what the man had to say.

Also, who could ever forget Mitch Mcconnell's promise to put all his efforts into making the president a one term president.........instead of actually working on bills to keep the government moving along. (I guess it was too much to ask Mitch do actually do his f*cking job)

Republicans keeping it classy I guess.:dontknow:

Lastly, I also seem to remember republicans making history over the last eight years by doing things like:

Standing up in the middle of a State of the Union Address calling the president a liar. (nicely done, and classy to boot)

Refusing to attend any of the "five million" meetings he invited republicans to attend to discuss policy ideas.

Refusing to accept his invitations to come to the Whitehouse to watch a Sunday game of football in the theatre downstairs.

Giving him a hard time about wanting to have the Olympics in America. (imagine the nerve of wanting that huhh)

Refusing to go to State of the Union Addresses. (for whatever reasons)

Calling him a "p*ssy" on national television (classy).

Threatening to shut down the government (like a bunch of girls that didn't get the pony they wanted for Christmas) regarding special interest pork in certain bills.

Refusing to believe he was born in Hawaii. (and still refusing after 7 years)

Refusing to believe he is "not" a Muslim. (and still refusing after 7 years)

And the list is so much longer that I'm afraid I don't have the megabytes on this laptop to write it all down.

So........................what was that you were saying about about the left "pretending" to want to work with republicans?

Mac-7
01-13-2016, 08:09 PM
Ok, the cat with the glasses is.......................different...:icon_salut:

First, you call people in a different camp other than your self "the moron left" not very "articulate" but it does tell one where you are psychologically.

Second, you say that the left has divided the country for eight long years now, and even though I've been hearing this nonsense literally from the night the president was elected - I have yet been presented with any concrete evidence of that being...........true.

If I remember correctly it was the right (that openly admitted) shortly after the president was elected who all pretty much made a pact to say no...........to everything the president would try to do...........pretty much..........before........they.........ever..... ........even.........heard what the man had to say.

Republicans keeping it classy I guess.:dontknow:

Lastly, I also seem to remember republicans making history over the last eight years by doing things like:

Standing up in the middle of a State of the Union Address calling the president a liar. (nicely done, and classy to boot)

Refusing to attend any of the "five million" meetings he invited republicans to attend to discuss policy ideas.

Refusing to accept his invitations to come to the Whitehouse to watch a Sunday game of football in the theatre downstairs.

Giving him a hard time about wanting to have the Olympics in America. (imagine the nerve of wanting that huhh)

Refusing to go to State of the Union Addresses. for (whatever reasons)

Calling him a "$#@!" on national television (classy).

Threatening to shut down the government (like a bunch of girls that didn't get the pony they wanted for Christmas) regarding special interest pork in certain bills.

Refusing to believe he was born in Hawaii. (and still refusing after 7 years)

Refusing to believe he is "not" a Muslim. (and still refusing after 7 years)

And the list is so much longer that I'm afraid I don't have the megabytes on this laptop to write it all down.

So........................what was that you were saying about about the left "pretending" to want to work with republicans?

Your talking points are the usual ones we hear from the partisan left all the time.

for your long list of complaints about republicans there is an equally long list of replies.

but what is the point now?

libs will never admit any wrongdoing by obama no matter how long we debate the subject.

Sane Centrist
01-13-2016, 08:15 PM
"You guys?"

Thanks for the advice.

but I think conservatives would rather nominate someone who represents our views first rather than the preferences of outsiders like you.

Maybe you should slow down and try to absorb what we are saying before you decide to attack us

that goes for haley too who seems to be quite full of herself

Outsider.............:confused2:

I was born in Hartford Connecticut, Mom was born in New Jersey, grandma was born in Greenwich Connecticut, great grandma was born in NY, great, great grandma was born in Georgia, as well as her mother.

Pretty much the same thing for my fathers side........................you were saying????

Mac-7
01-13-2016, 08:20 PM
Outsider.............:confused2:

I was born in Hartford Connecticut, Mom was born in New Jersey, grandma was born in Greenwich Connecticut, great grandma was born in NY, great, great grandma was born in Georgia, as well as her mother.

Pretty much the same thing for my fathers side........................you were saying????

"You guys" is how you referred to republicans

you made yourself the outsider in this conversation.

Matty
01-13-2016, 08:22 PM
Ok, the cat with the glasses is.......................different...:icon_salut:

First, you call people in a different camp other than your self "the moron left" not very "articulate" but it does tell one where you are psychologically.

Second, you say that the left has divided the country for eight long years now, and even though I've been hearing this nonsense literally from the night the president was elected - I have yet been presented with any concrete evidence of that being...........true.

If I remember correctly it was the right (that openly admitted) shortly after the president was elected who all pretty much made a pact to say no...........to everything the president would try to do...........pretty much..........before........they.........ever..... ........even.........heard what the man had to say.

Also, who could ever forget Mitch Mcconnell's promise to put all his efforts into making the president a one term president.........instead of actually working on bills to keep the government moving along. (I guess it was too much to ask Mitch do actually do his f*cking job)

Republicans keeping it classy I guess.:dontknow:

Lastly, I also seem to remember republicans making history over the last eight years by doing things like:

Standing up in the middle of a State of the Union Address calling the president a liar. (nicely done, and classy to boot)

Refusing to attend any of the "five million" meetings he invited republicans to attend to discuss policy ideas.

Refusing to accept his invitations to come to the Whitehouse to watch a Sunday game of football in the theatre downstairs.

Giving him a hard time about wanting to have the Olympics in America. (imagine the nerve of wanting that huhh)

Refusing to go to State of the Union Addresses. (for whatever reasons)

Calling him a "p*ssy" on national television (classy).

Threatening to shut down the government (like a bunch of girls that didn't get the pony they wanted for Christmas) regarding special interest pork in certain bills.

Refusing to believe he was born in Hawaii. (and still refusing after 7 years)

Refusing to believe he is "not" a Muslim. (and still refusing after 7 years)

And the list is so much longer that I'm afraid I don't have the megabytes on this laptop to write it all down.

So........................what was that you were saying about about the left "pretending" to want to work with republicans?


Well, I see you have your moronic lefty talking points down pat!

Common Sense
01-13-2016, 08:24 PM
So fucked that some of you see your fellow citizens as "enemies".

Sane Centrist
01-13-2016, 08:30 PM
Your talking points are the usual ones we hear from the partisan left all the time.

for your long list of complaints about republicans there is an equally long list of replies.

but what is the point now?

libs will never admit any wrongdoing by obama no matter how long we debate the subject.

Awe man you're good at excellent dodges that hold no water.

How about you muster up the courage now to give me examples of all of the supposed wrongdoing done by President Obama, or give me concrete counter arguments that will deflate everything I said?

I'll be waiting......

But I suspect that I'll be waiting for a very long time because you & I both know the reason why you've heard all those same arguments.

They're all true and irrefutable, the right has done NOTHING but fight that man tooth & nail from day one, and nobody in Washington with an (R) next to their name EVER intended on working with him.

Yet you all have brass balls the size of Jupiter to slam the guy, and say how ineffective he's been.

The republican party is truly the laughing stock of the world because everybody has seen the clear deception, and all its done is hurt the country.

I know you'll never believe this but I hate what republicans have done to themselves, because there were many republicans that I liked.

I happen to like it when everybody in Washington works together, and I really don't give a sh*t who writes what bill or who gets the credit for it as long as we all move forward.

But because the country elected it's first Black President the right lost it's ever loving freaking mind over it and it's never returned.

What did we get, we got the Tea Party (what a group of anarchist whack-jobs they are) we got sane, rational republicans thrown out of the party because they wouldn't tow the new party manta of "hate all things Democrat".

We got seven years of recalcitrant politicians unwilling to even shake the mans hand, let alone work with him on anything, and you have the unmitigated gall to tell me that the left destroyed everything?

Man, you've got steel balls the size of Pluto..............

MisterVeritis
01-13-2016, 08:31 PM
So $#@!ed that some of you see your fellow citizens as "enemies".
Some citizens are enemies of the nation and the productive. Maybe they don't mean to be. Maybe they do. What of it?

Sane Centrist
01-13-2016, 08:35 PM
How dare Donald Trump say what most of us are thinking.

Finally, someone with the balls & the courage to openly admit that they're just as much of a racist as Donald Trump.

Good for you buddy........hell, I respect you more for it.

Matty
01-13-2016, 08:36 PM
So fucked that some of you see your fellow citizens as "enemies".


You got that shit right. That really offends me too.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z0YH6UQNbBo








President of all the people my butt.

silvereyes
01-13-2016, 08:36 PM
You call yourself a centrist?

I think you're a liberal jerk who only pretends to be non partisan

Boris did'nt attack you in his post but merely expressed his opinion about the democrats.

Yet you wasted no time getting personal with him.
Of course you're okay with boris' reply. It slammed dems.

/yawn

Sane Centrist
01-13-2016, 08:38 PM
"You guys" is how you referred to republicans

you made yourself the outsider in this conversation.

I made myself an outsider.............................in a thread I created....:facepalm:

silvereyes
01-13-2016, 08:41 PM
Your talking points are the usual ones we hear from the partisan left all the time.

for your long list of complaints about republicans there is an equally long list of replies.

but what is the point now?

libs will never admit any wrongdoing by obama no matter how long we debate the subject.
Ill bet: a) you didn't read them; b) you can't refute them.

Sane Centrist
01-13-2016, 08:47 PM
You got that $#@! right. That really offends me too.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z0YH6UQNbBo








President of all the people my butt.

Oh look what you did, you posted a video from..................drum roll....................FOX NEWS, that Bastian of all things fair & balanced....:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

Sane Centrist
01-13-2016, 08:48 PM
Ill bet: a) you didn't read them; b) you can't refute them.

Exactly, and I left out enough to fill up the pages of that great novel: "War & Peace"

birddog
01-13-2016, 09:55 PM
I repeat, anyone who voted for Obama owes the rest of us an apology! He has accomplished nothing that is positive and effective for our country, just like Hillary!

Cigar
01-13-2016, 10:09 PM
She is an Establishment Republican who took shots at the Republican front runners. She is dead to me.

I thought the Tea Baggers got her elected :laugh:

Cigar
01-13-2016, 10:10 PM
I don't give a crap about "togetherness" when the enemy (aka the Democrat party) is out to destroy the US.

News Flash, they already did that Twice, Back 2 Back :laugh:

Nutz
01-13-2016, 10:14 PM
It is the other way around. Conservatives are wresting control of the Republican party away from the Socialists in our party. They, and people like you, must be defeated. You will be.

Trump 2016.
:lmao: Trump is a liberal in teaper clothing. He got your ilk foaming at the mouth by spewing hate and vitriol as opposed to proposing solutions and showing class.

Lol...Trump and teapers. Pathetic.

MisterVeritis
01-13-2016, 10:26 PM
I thought the Tea Baggers got her elected :laugh:
Maybe so. We learn, from time to time, that some politicians lie or, as they say, "evolve". She is on my list of people to "Primary" in her next election cycle.

MisterVeritis
01-13-2016, 10:27 PM
:lmao: Trump is a liberal in teaper clothing. He got your ilk foaming at the mouth by spewing hate and vitriol as opposed to proposing solutions and showing class.

Lol...Trump and teapers. Pathetic.
Right. And you are Nutz.

Nutz
01-13-2016, 10:29 PM
Right. And you are Nutz.
Name one conservative policy position he holds.

Be sure to check with the shitload of liberal democrats who are supporting Trump too.

MisterVeritis
01-13-2016, 10:31 PM
Name one conservative policy position he holds.

Be sure to check with the $#@!load of liberal democrats who are supporting Trump too.
I have made no claim that Trump is conservative.

I am delighted to have democrat help electing him. Perhaps a few of you have evolved.

Nutz
01-13-2016, 10:33 PM
I have made no claim that Trump is conservative.

I am delighted to have democrat help electing him. Perhaps a few of you have evolved.
I am no democrat...I am a true conservative. Trump and his nonsense is nothing but teaperism at its best - hate politics.

Cigar
01-13-2016, 10:35 PM
As long as you guys are eating your own, I'll let you enjoy your meal in peace. :laugh:

MisterVeritis
01-13-2016, 10:37 PM
I am no democrat...I am a true conservative. Trump and his nonsense is nothing but teaperism at its best - hate politics.
I wonder if you know what that means. What is a true conservative in your mind?

Nutz
01-13-2016, 10:39 PM
I wonder if you know what that means. What is a true conservative in your mind?
Given you are a Trump supporter, I doubt you could understand.

MisterVeritis
01-13-2016, 10:42 PM
Given you are a Trump supporter, I doubt you could understand.
Try not to be concerned about me. What do you believe your phrase "true conservative" means?

I suspect you will have difficulty articulating your beliefs. Surprise me.

Nutz
01-13-2016, 10:47 PM
Try not to be concerned about me. What do you believe your phrase "true conservative" means?

I suspect you will have difficulty articulating your beliefs. Surprise me.
Not at all...but it is a game of semantics for your ilk. Pretty much a waste of time to have any rational discussion with a teaper when they pervert conservative values by using race as a factor.

First hint....hate isn't a conservative value.
Second hint...hypocritical nonsense is not a conservative value.
Third hint...conservatives believe in the Republic and the Constitution and always will...a POTUS of a darker hue shouldn't change those beliefs.

MisterVeritis
01-13-2016, 10:49 PM
Not at all...but it is a game of semantics for your ilk. Pretty much a waste of time to have any rational discussion with a teaper when they pervert conservative values by using race as a factor.

First hint....hate isn't a conservative value.
Second hint...hypocritical nonsense is not a conservative value.
Third hint...conservatives believe in the Republic and the Constitution and always will...a POTUS of a darker hue shouldn't change those beliefs.
I am unsuprised that you are unable to articulate your beliefs.

Nutz
01-13-2016, 10:53 PM
I am unsuprised that you are unable to articulate your beliefs.
Like I said...I have played this game with teaper ilk before. It is a waste of time because most of your ilk are extremely low info lemmings who are not able to see past their own noses.

For example...I would say I am for smaller government. You might say you agree, but the difference is that you only care about government excess if it fits your narrative. See, your ilk aren't honest. You lack integrity and are unable to have a rational conversation.

Mac-7
01-13-2016, 11:33 PM
:lmao: Trump is a liberal in teaper clothing. He got your ilk foaming at the mouth by spewing hate and vitriol as opposed to proposing solutions and showing class.

Lol...Trump and teapers. Pathetic.

Stopping the flood of illegal aliens crosding our border is not hate.

its just good common sense.

the same goes for not admitting new muslims willy nilly when we cant properely investigate them or have any compelling national interest to bring them here.

Obumer is the one spewing hate - for Ameica - by refusing to put Americans first.

silvereyes
01-13-2016, 11:47 PM
I am unsuprised that you are unable to articulate your beliefs.

Are you a conservative?

Nutz
01-13-2016, 11:56 PM
Stopping the flood of illegal aliens crosding our border is not hate.

its just good common sense.

the same goes for not admitting new muslims willy nilly when we cant properely investigate them or have any compelling national interest to bring them here.

Obumer is the one spewing hate - for Ameica - by refusing to put Americans first.
I agree...illegal immigration needs to be handled. Nonetheless, while you focus on the Southern border because the Mexicans speak a 3rd word language and are of a darker hue....our Northern border remains porous for anyone to freely cross...especially killer muslims. On top of that....show me the stories about radical muslim terrorists in Mexico as opposed to the assholes who practice Sharia law in canada.

But let's worry about the Mexican, their darkness is scary :/

Nutz
01-13-2016, 11:57 PM
Are you a conservative?
No, he is not. He is a teaper. Like homosexuals...he is confused.

Mac-7
01-14-2016, 12:02 AM
I agree...illegal immigration needs to be handled. Nonetheless, while you focus on the Southern border because the Mexicans speak a 3rd word language and are of a darker hue....our Northern border remains porous for anyone to freely cross...especially killer muslims. On top of that....show me the stories about radical muslim terrorists in Mexico as opposed to the $#@!s who practice Sharia law in canada.

But let's worry about the Mexican, their darkness is scary :/

There is the problem of visa overstays also.

But I dont want to ignore the 60% of the problem that comes along the southern border with mexico just because liberals are too politically correct to take action.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 12:05 AM
There is the problem of visa overstays also.

But I dont want to ignore the 60% of the problem that comes along the southern border with mexico just because liberals are too politically correct to take action.
Take action on the Northern border. canada is not our friend. Did you know, the majority of killer muslim attacks on American soil has a canadian connection. NONE of them have a Mexican connection. I like tacos...why do you prefer terrorists and poutine over tacos and hot Latino chickies?

Mac-7
01-14-2016, 12:13 AM
Take action on the Northern border. canada is not our friend. Did you know, the majority of killer muslim attacks on American soil has a canadian connection. NONE of them have a Mexican connection. I like tacos...why do you prefer terrorists and poutine over tacos and hot Latino chickies?

I did not know about a canadian connection to the muslims butchers killing Americans

but I would not put anything past the canidians who are consumed with penis envy of America.

Anyway I dont believe no muslims are traveling through mexico to get here.

nor would it matter.

We dont need more Mexicans in this country than we already have unless they are scientists, doctors, or engineers.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 12:15 AM
I did not know about a canadian connection to the muslims butchers killing Americans

but I would not put anything past the canidians who are consumed with penis envy of America.

Anyway I dont believe no muslims are traveling through mexico to get here.

nor would it matter.

We dont need more Mexicans in this country than we already have unless rgey are scientists, doctors, or engineers.
Better a Mexican laborer than a canadian muslim....or slut actress...or pussyboy singer.

Mac-7
01-14-2016, 12:19 AM
Better a Mexican laborer than a canadian muslim....or $#@! actress...or $#@!boy singer.

No, not better a mexican labror.

if muslims are sneaking in from canada that is a problem we need to look at.

But it doesnt mean we have to ignore the obvious flood of mexicans from the south.

we already know what to do about them

Nutz
01-14-2016, 12:35 AM
No, not better a mexican labror.

if muslims are sneaking in from canada that is a problem we need to look at.

But it doesnt mean we have to ignore the obvious flood of mexicans from the south.

we already know what to do about them
So you are only worried about Mexican illegals? Everyone else is ok? That makes no sense. You are either against all illegal immigrants or you are not!

Do your research...even the Dept of Homeland Security reports that the Northern border is the greatest threat to the US. Take the race blinders off...Mexico is really a non-issue as compared to canada.

ThaiBoxer
01-14-2016, 01:05 AM
She is an Establishment Republican who took shots at the Republican front runners. She is dead to me.

Haha. This is how you know you wingnuts have gone completely off the rails. Nikki Haley was a tea party darling. Sarah Palin endorsed her and now even she's not good enough for you tea tards? :hello2:

zelmo1234
01-14-2016, 02:54 AM
if we just shot all the democrats, we'd be a much better country, eh?

Well now that you mention it? :)

Mac-7
01-14-2016, 06:30 AM
So you are only worried about Mexican illegals? Everyone else is ok? That makes no sense. You are either against all illegal immigrants or you are not!

Do your research...even the Dept of Homeland Security reports that the Northern border is the greatest threat to the US. Take the race blinders off...Mexico is really a non-issue as compared to canada.

I see you deal only in absolutes.

If you prefer to think I hate mexicans and turban heads from mexico but love terrorists from canada I cant help you.

We need to track people entering the US on tourist and student visas and we need to end the fraud of idenity theft that leads to illegal employment.

but at the same time we need to build the fence with mexico that was promised to the American people in 1986 but never delivered.

Mac-7
01-14-2016, 06:36 AM
Haha. This is how you know you wingnuts have gone completely off the rails. Nikki Haley was a tea party darling. Sarah Palin endorsed her

and now even she's not good enough for you tea tards? :hello2:

You mean we "teatards" are now not good enough for her.

She turned her back on us.

or at least thats how her comments sound to many conservatives.

PolWatch
01-14-2016, 09:04 AM
Sorry to interrupt this hate-fest of name calling by mentioning the question in the OP but....I think we will be seeing more of Haley on the national stage. Never too soon to start bringing new faces to the front.

Mac-7
01-14-2016, 09:24 AM
Sorry to interrupt this hate-fest of name calling by mentioning the question in the OP but....I think we will be seeing more of Haley on the national stage. Never too soon to start bringing new faces to the front.

I think we will be seeing far more of Trump than Haley.

Common
01-14-2016, 09:27 AM
Sorry to interrupt this hate-fest of name calling by mentioning the question in the OP but....I think we will be seeing more of Haley on the national stage. Never too soon to start bringing new faces to the front.

Haley is a phony and a far right nutter dont let one speech fool you. The gop is doing whatever it can to degrade trump and Id bet her mention of him was GOP contrived. Get the word out there more broadly and it worked for them

Mac-7
01-14-2016, 09:42 AM
Haley is a phony and a far right nutter dont let one speech fool you.

I am more conservative than haley is and I support Trump.

Boris The Animal
01-14-2016, 10:49 AM
So $#@!ed that some of you see your fellow citizens as "enemies".Why? It's the truth. Liberals are nothing but Communists.

maineman
01-14-2016, 10:54 AM
Why? It's the truth. Liberals are nothing but Communists.

you don't know what the word even means. I am a liberal and am absolutely not a communist.

Boris The Animal
01-14-2016, 11:05 AM
you don't know what the word even means. I am a liberal and am absolutely not a communist.Sure you are. ALL Liberals support total government takeover of the private sector.

maineman
01-14-2016, 11:15 AM
Sure you are. ALL Liberals support total government takeover of the private sector.

that is a lie.

Mac-7
01-14-2016, 12:32 PM
that is a lie.

I agree.

liberal/progressives tried total takeover in the old soviet union and mao's red china and near takeover on post WW 2 euorpe and it was a failure.

So most modern progressives are economic fascists now

meaning nominal private ownership but centralized government control through taxation and regulation.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 12:51 PM
Like I said...I have played this game with teaper ilk before. It is a waste of time because most of your ilk are extremely low info lemmings who are not able to see past their own noses.

For example...I would say I am for smaller government. You might say you agree, but the difference is that you only care about government excess if it fits your narrative. See, your ilk aren't honest. You lack integrity and are unable to have a rational conversation.
Under your conservative philosophy how do you measure the right size for government?

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 12:53 PM
Are you a conservative?
Yes. I am a Constitutional Conservative. Would you like to know more?

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 12:58 PM
I agree...illegal immigration needs to be handled. Nonetheless, while you focus on the Southern border because the Mexicans speak a 3rd word language and are of a darker hue....our Northern border remains porous for anyone to freely cross...especially killer muslims. On top of that....show me the stories about radical muslim terrorists in Mexico as opposed to the $#@!s who practice Sharia law in canada.

But let's worry about the Mexican, their darkness is scary :/
What does history show about the origins of most illegal aliens? In addition to the ones who overstay their visas where do most illegals enter our borders? If they are coming from Canada how is that so many end up in California. Arizona, New Mexico and Texas?

How can one distinguish between a Muslim and a radical Muslim?

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 12:59 PM
No, he is not. He is a teaper. Like homosexuals...he is confused.
And this from someone who is clearly Nutz.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 01:02 PM
Haha. This is how you know you wingnuts have gone completely off the rails. Nikki Haley was a tea party darling. Sarah Palin endorsed her and now even she's not good enough for you tea tards? :hello2:
She attacked her own party in a nationally televised address. She offered no alternative vision to contrast with the Democrats. She has become an establishment Republican and will share their fate. I will provide money to support her primary challenger.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 01:04 PM
Sorry to interrupt this hate-fest of name calling by mentioning the question in the OP but....I think we will be seeing more of Haley on the national stage. Never too soon to start bringing new faces to the front.
Do you believe the Establishment, go along to get along, Republicans are under-represented?

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 01:06 PM
you don't know what the word even means. I am a liberal and am absolutely not a communist.
With you, as with all Democrats isn't that simply a matter of degree rather than orientation?

maineman
01-14-2016, 01:10 PM
With you, as with all Democrats isn't that simply a matter of degree rather than orientation?

not at all. I believe in representative democracy, not communism.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 01:13 PM
not at all. I believe in representative democracy, not communism.
Do you support the administrative state with it hundreds of thousands of regulations? Do you support steeply progressive taxes? Do you support punishing companies who move overseas because they find a better environment?

maineman
01-14-2016, 01:18 PM
Do you support the administrative state with it hundreds of thousands of regulations? Do you support steeply progressive taxes? Do you support punishing companies who move overseas because they find a better environment?

I do not support unbridled, unregulated laissez-fair capitalism. Every president since Wilson has supported progressive income tax rates. I do too. I do think that we should reward American businesses who find ways to employ more Americans and find ways to levy negative incentives on them when they close plants that employ Americans and move their operations off-shore.

maineman
01-14-2016, 01:18 PM
I do not support unbridled, unregulated laissez-fair capitalism. Every president since Wilson has supported progressive income tax rates. I do too. I do think that we should reward American businesses who find ways to employ more Americans and find ways to levy negative incentives on them when they close plants that employ Americans and move their operations off-shore.

but I support all of that only if it is created using our democratic legislative process.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 01:23 PM
I do not support unbridled, unregulated laissez-fair capitalism. Every president since Wilson has supported progressive income tax rates. I do too. I do think that we should reward American businesses who find ways to employ more Americans and find ways to levy negative incentives on them when they close plants that employ Americans and move their operations off-shore.
The Progressive income tax is among the most important foundations of Marxist communism.

Do you support the massive regulatory state that began with Wilson (war socialism and the perfectability of Man) and really took off under Franklin Roosevelt?

Do you believe that our federal government should be limited by its Constitution?

Subdermal
01-14-2016, 01:24 PM
but I support all of that only if it is created using our democratic legislative process.

With capitalists like you, who needs communists?

maineman
01-14-2016, 01:26 PM
The Progressive income tax is among the most important foundations of Marxist communism.

Do you support the massive regulatory state that began with Wilson (war socialism and the perfectability of Man) and really took off under Franklin Roosevelt?

Do you believe that our federal government should be limited by its Constitution?

then every president since Wilson has been a Marxist?

I support reasonable regulation that is enacted in a democratic fashion.

Of course our government should be limited by our constitution, as interpreted by our justice system.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 01:33 PM
Yes. I am a Constitutional Conservative. Would you like to know more?
Then why don't you believe in the Constitution? Were was your loud and hateful 'opposition' to a growing government 7 years ago?

Nutz
01-14-2016, 01:36 PM
She attacked her own party in a nationally televised address. She offered no alternative vision to contrast with the Democrats. She has become an establishment Republican and will share their fate. I will provide money to support her primary challenger.
There was no attack...she defined conservatism and took that ability away from the RWNJ kooks that have joined liberals in their support for an idiot named Trump.

We are taking the GOP back...I hope your ilk starts your race war/ armed insurrection so we can rid the GOP and the American soil of your hate and vitriol. Fucking teapers...you never were and never will be true conservatives or part of the GOP.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 01:37 PM
then every president since Wilson has been a Marxist?
I did not say that. Progressives pushed the income tax, didn't they?


I support reasonable regulation that is enacted in a democratic fashion.
There are nearly 500 administrative agencies that make, and enforce laws independent of a legislative body. I believe they are unconstitutional or, if you prefer extra-constitutional laws. Nearly all of our laws are now written and enforced by those agencies. How is that not unconstitutional tyranny?


Of course our government should be limited by our constitution, as interpreted by our justice system.
Okay. I believe you. Can you point out in the Constitution the articles that allow administrative agencies, parts of the Executive branch, make and enforce laws? Doesn't the Constitution separate making, enforcing and interpreting laws?

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 01:38 PM
Then why don't you believe in the Constitution? Were was your loud and hateful 'opposition' to a growing government 7 years ago?
You need to catch up. Take all the time you need.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 01:40 PM
"She attacked her own party in a nationally televised address. She offered no alternative vision to contrast with the Democrats. She has become an establishment Republican and will share their fate. I will provide money to support her primary challenger."

There was no attack...she defined conservatism and took that ability away from the RWNJ kooks that have joined liberals in their support for an idiot named Trump.
It is becoming obvious to me that you are an Establishment Republican. This explains why you are unable to articulate your conservative beliefs.


We are taking the GOP back...I hope your ilk starts your race war/ armed insurrection so we can rid the GOP and the American soil of your hate and vitriol. $#@!ing teapers...you never were and never will be true conservatives or part of the GOP.
LOL. This is simply goofiness on display.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 01:41 PM
What does history show about the origins of most illegal aliens? In addition to the ones who overstay their visas where do most illegals enter our borders? If they are coming from Canada how is that so many end up in California. Arizona, New Mexico and Texas?

How can one distinguish between a Muslim and a radical Muslim?
That is the only history you pay attention to because of your hate for people of a darker hue. Just look at history...that is why the Southwest has many hispanics living there.

Think about it...just because someone is hispanic, it doesn't mean they are illegal or first generation American....lol, teapers...you do understand much of the SW was Mexican territory, right? You do understand, that is the ancestry of many in area.

FYI...Trump and the teaper leaders piss and cum in their kool-aid. You have swallowed it all up and don't care. Pathetic.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 01:43 PM
"She attacked her own party in a nationally televised address. She offered no alternative vision to contrast with the Democrats. She has become an establishment Republican and will share their fate. I will provide money to support her primary challenger."

It is becoming obvious to me that you are an Establishment Republican. This explains why you are unable to articulate your conservative beliefs.


LOL. This is simply goofiness on display.


Lol....so funny when a Trump supporter...when a Bundy supporter, when a terrorist enabler has the nerve to try to define conservatism. LOL...you are a racist, low info, lemming self will NEVER define conservatism or the GOP. You are an embarassment.

GO start a war....I am waiting for the final conclusion of you kooks

ThaiBoxer
01-14-2016, 01:46 PM
You mean we "teatards" are now not good enough for her.

She turned her back on us.

or at least thats how her comments sound to many conservatives.

Nope. You guys just get more extreme as time goes on

ThaiBoxer
01-14-2016, 01:47 PM
Yes. I am a Constitutional Conservative.

No such thing.

ThaiBoxer
01-14-2016, 01:48 PM
She attacked her own party in a nationally televised address. She offered no alternative vision to contrast with the Democrats. She has become an establishment Republican and will share their fate. I will provide money to support her primary challenger.

She's in her second term as governor. She can't run for reelection stupid. What primary challenger?

Subdermal
01-14-2016, 01:55 PM
then every president since Wilson has been a Marxist?

Why are your questions binary? Questions like that are stupid. There are degrees of ideological purity, and there are plenty of people who have supported the idea of the flat tax, but - for reasons of expediency and political pressure - didn't push it. Dems have had the power in Congress for the majority of the decades since Wilson - and we know that a progressive tax is a Progressive idea.


I support reasonable regulation that is enacted in a democratic fashion.

This statement means nothing, as I suspect your notion of 'reasonable' would garner plenty of objection.


Of course our government should be limited by our constitution, as interpreted by our justice system.

The concept of Judicial Review is blatantly unConstitutional.

Like most liberals, you have bastardized the purpose of the SCOTUS, tacitly empowering it to be legislator and executor, rather than just juror. The SCOTUS is not supposed to 'interpret' the Constitution:


The Supreme Court of the United States spends much, if not most, of its time on a task which is not delegated to the Supreme Court by the Constitution. That task is: Hearing cases wherein the constitutionality of a law or regulation is challenged. The Supreme Court's nine Justices attempt to sort out what is, and what is not constitutional. This process is known as Judicial Review. But the states, in drafting the Constitution, did not delegate such a power to the Supreme Court, or to any branch of the government.



Since the constitution does not give this power to the court, you might wonder how it came to be that the court assumed this responsibility. The answer is that the court just started doing it and no one has put a stop to it. This assumption of power took place first in 1794 when the Supreme Court declared an act of congress to be unconstitutional, but went largely unnoticed until the landmark case of Marbury v Madison in 1803. Marbury is significant less for the issue that it settled (between Marbury and Madison) than for the fact that Chief Justice John Marshall used Marbury to provide a rationale for judicial review.

Since then, the idea that the Supreme Court should be the arbiter of constitutionality issues has become so ingrained that most people incorrectly believe that the Constitution granted this power to the federal judiciary.

These are the powers - the only powers - which the Supreme Court was given. They appear in Article III, Sec2:



Section 2. The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;




to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;
to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;
to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;
to Controversies between two or more States;
between a State and Citizens of another State;
between Citizens of different States;
between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.


http://constitutionality.us/SupremeCourt.html

The focking thing isn't written in Sanskrit, and read to an illiterate population. Everything else is an abuse of power by SCOTUS, and literally turns our Government Parliamentarian: we're ruled by 9 people in black robes.

It is guilty of doing what you gleefully support: become a Centralized body whose rulings are predictable based upon their political ideology, and assign meaning where none exists.

There is no point in a Constitution with a SCOTUS engaged in this activity.

Subdermal
01-14-2016, 01:56 PM
No such thing.

Just like black - or Thai - racists.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 02:00 PM
Why are your questions binary? Questions like that are stupid. There are degrees of ideological purity, and there are plenty of people who have supported the idea of the flat tax, but - for reasons of expediency and political pressure - didn't push it. Dems have had the power in Congress for the majority of the decades since Wilson - and we know that a progressive tax is a Progressive idea.

This statement means nothing, as I suspect your notion of 'reasonable' would garner plenty of objection.



The concept of Judicial Review is blatantly unConstitutional.

Like most liberals, you have $#@!ized the purpose of the SCOTUS, tacitly empowering it to be legislator and executor, rather than just juror. The SCOTUS is not supposed to 'interpret' the Constitution:



These are the powers - the only powers - which the Supreme Court was given. They appear in Article III, Sec2:



http://constitutionality.us/SupremeCourt.html

The focking thing isn't written in Sanskrit, and read to an illiterate population. Everything else is an abuse of power by SCOTUS, and literally turns our Government Parliamentarian: we're ruled by 9 people in black robes.

It is guilty of doing what you gleefully support: become a Centralized body whose rulings are predictable based upon their political ideology, and assign meaning where none exists.

There is no point in a Constitution with a SCOTUS engaged in this activity.
It is 2016...your ilk is just getting around to start your protest of a SCOTUS decision made in 1803?


Oh, wait...you started to protest a 200 year old decision in 2009...what was I thinking!

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 02:01 PM
She's in her second term as governor. She can't run for reelection stupid. What primary challenger?
I suppose she has no interest in politics from this point forward. If it turns out she does she needs a principled opponent.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 02:04 PM
Why are your questions binary? Questions like that are stupid. There are degrees of ideological purity, and there are plenty of people who have supported the idea of the flat tax, but - for reasons of expediency and political pressure - didn't push it. Dems have had the power in Congress for the majority of the decades since Wilson - and we know that a progressive tax is a Progressive idea.



This statement means nothing, as I suspect your notion of 'reasonable' would garner plenty of objection.



The concept of Judicial Review is blatantly unConstitutional.

Like most liberals, you have $#@!ized the purpose of the SCOTUS, tacitly empowering it to be legislator and executor, rather than just juror. The SCOTUS is not supposed to 'interpret' the Constitution:



These are the powers - the only powers - which the Supreme Court was given. They appear in Article III, Sec2:



http://constitutionality.us/SupremeCourt.html

The focking thing isn't written in Sanskrit, and read to an illiterate population. Everything else is an abuse of power by SCOTUS, and literally turns our Government Parliamentarian: we're ruled by 9 people in black robes.

It is guilty of doing what you gleefully support: become a Centralized body whose rulings are predictable based upon their political ideology, and assign meaning where none exists.

There is no point in a Constitution with a SCOTUS engaged in this activity.
While we cannot go back and reverse what has been done we can amend the Constitution to significantly curb future damages. We must have an Article V convention of states if the nation intends to survive.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 02:05 PM
It is 2016...your ilk is just getting around to start your protest of a SCOTUS decision made in 1803?
Oh, wait...you started to protest a 200 year old decision in 2009...what was I thinking!
Every one of your posts adds additional evidence that you are an Establishment Republican. And a disagreeable one at that.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 02:07 PM
I suppose she has no interest in politics from this point forward. If it turns out she does she needs a principled opponent.
I bet you her political career goes much better than Sarah Palin's!
Can you Say Rubio/ Haley?
How about Secretary Haley?

I know...she is of Indian decent...that probably pisses you off more than anything else!

Matty
01-14-2016, 02:07 PM
She's in her second term as governor. She can't run for reelection stupid. What primary challenger?


You are the stupid one. In South Carolina you can serve two terms. Sit it out four years then you can run again so be careful throwing the stupid label it's your nemesis!

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 02:08 PM
I bet you her political career goes much better than Sarah Palin's!
Can you Say Rubio/ Haley?
How about Secretary Haley?

I know...she is of Indian decent...that probably pisses you off more than anything else!
I suppose we shall see. Politics is full of twists and turns.

Matty
01-14-2016, 02:08 PM
I bet you her political career goes much better than Sarah Palin's!
Can you Say Rubio/ Haley?
How about Secretary Haley?

I know...she is of Indian decent...that probably pisses you off more than anything else!


Race baiter.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 02:10 PM
Every one of your posts adds additional evidence that you are an Establishment Republican. And a disagreeable one at that.
You didn't answer the question...why has it taken more than a century for your ilk to protest such a decision?

Do you think you are smarter than every other American since the 19th Century or has a POTUS of a darker hue simply motivated new justifications for you to hate these United States?

Nutz
01-14-2016, 02:11 PM
Race baiter.
Meh...just saving you and your ilk the trouble.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 02:19 PM
You didn't answer the question...why has it taken more than a century for your ilk to protest such a decision?
You really do need to take some time to catch up.


Do you think you are smarter than every other American since the 19th Century or has a POTUS of a darker hue simply motivated new justifications for you to hate these United States?
I am certainly in the top 5%.

I believe you are confused about politics. If you were familiar with Constitutional conservatism it would help you make a better argument. I doubt you will take the minute it would take.

An Article V convention of states is the right vehicle to mitigate the damage the federal government, under the establishment of both parties, has done and continues to do. A dozen liberty amendments should reign in the federal Leviathan.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 02:24 PM
You really do need to take some time to catch up.


I am certainly in the top 5%.

I believe you are confused about politics. If you were familiar with Constitutional conservatism it would help you make a better argument. I doubt you will take the minute it would take.

An Article V convention of states is the right vehicle to mitigate the damage the federal government, under the establishment of both parties, has done and continues to do. A dozen liberty amendments should reign in the federal Leviathan.

You are not a Constitutional Conservative....maybe a classic liberal, but conservative you are not. Conservatism doesn't base it's arguments and values on race and hate like you do. You certainly swing left like the typical liberal.

And no, you are not in the top 5%.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 02:28 PM
You are not a Constitutional Conservative....maybe a classic liberal, but conservative you are not. Conservatism doesn't base it's arguments and values on race and hate like you do. You certainly swing left like the typical liberal.

And no, you are not in the top 5%.
And you continue to be confused. I do not believe anything can help you.

And yes, I am in the top 5%.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 02:32 PM
And you continue to be confused. I do not believe anything can help you.

And yes, I am in the top 5%.lol...no, you are not. You don''t even have a grasp on history.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 02:34 PM
lol...no, you are not. You don''t even have a grasp on history.
Suit yourself. But you are Nutz.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 02:35 PM
Suit yourself. But you are Nutz.
Tell me, why are there so many Hispanics in the SW?

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 02:37 PM
Tell me, why are there so many Hispanics in the SW?
You tell me. It is your contention that the problem border is with Canada. You have ignored history for your own purposes. You explain it in your own words.

Try, if you can, to distinguish the illegals from citizens. If you can.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 02:43 PM
You tell me. It is your contention that the problem border is with Canada. You have ignored history for your own purposes. You explain it in your own words.
Simple...people of Hispanic ancestry have always been a part of the SW community. They aren't illegals and probably have a long history of American ancestry. After all...that territory was originally Mexican.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 02:46 PM
Simple...people of Hispanic ancestry have always been a part of the SW community. They aren't illegals and probably have a long history of American ancestry. After all...that territory was originally Mexican.
I think our posts passed in the night. Explain the great increase in illegals, as I asked in my question above.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 02:49 PM
I think our posts passed in the night. Explain the great increase in illegals, as I asked in my question above.
The explanation is simple....Reagan gave them amnesty...now they skip across thinking that they will get amnesty once again.

Illegals or not....the SW would still be largely Hispanic.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 02:52 PM
The explanation is simple....Reagan gave them amnesty...now they skip across thinking that they will get amnesty once again.

Illegals or not....the SW would still be largely Hispanic.
Of the 20 million or so illegal aliens who are here how many do you believe came across the Canadian border?

Reagan admitted that trusting the Democrats was a mistake. How many illegal aliens did Reagan's amnesty agreement cover? Do you believe that small number are still counted as illegal?

Nutz
01-14-2016, 02:55 PM
Of the 20 million or so illegal aliens who are here how many do you believe came across the Canadian border?

Reagan admitted that trusting the Democrats was a mistake. How many illegal aliens did Reagan's amnesty agreement cover? Do you believe that small number are still counted as illegal?
20 million. Show me. (Let's see if a teaper can have an honest conversation)

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 02:58 PM
20 million. Show me. (Let's see if a teaper can have an honest conversation)
For a real number we will have to wait for an American President named Trump. I can wait.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 02:59 PM
For a real number we will have to wait for an American President named Trump. I can wait.
In other words...you just made that number up and are incapable of having an honest debate.

Matty
01-14-2016, 03:01 PM
20 million. Show me. (Let's see if a teaper can have an honest conversation)


Libtards are never honest

silvereyes
01-14-2016, 03:08 PM
Libtards are never honest

He challenges y'all and this is your response. How typical. Try answering him.

Boris The Animal
01-14-2016, 03:16 PM
In other words...you just made that number up and are incapable of having an honest debate.I bet your first name is Numb (OK I just HAD to get that in there :D ) But seriously. We tried establishment RINO types last two elections with zero success.

PolWatch
01-14-2016, 03:19 PM
He challenges y'all and this is your response. How typical. Try answering him.

Name calling & insulting is easier....

Nutz
01-14-2016, 03:19 PM
I bet your first name is Numb (OK I just HAD to get that in there :D ) But seriously. We tried establishment RINO types last two elections with zero success.
Perhaps that was because the teapers gave the perception Conservative values are based soley on hate

Nutz
01-14-2016, 03:19 PM
Name calling & insulting is easier....
It's more fun.

Matty
01-14-2016, 03:27 PM
Name calling & insulting is easier....




The only time you complain about name calling is when a conservative is doing it. Keeping it real remember?

Safety
01-14-2016, 03:47 PM
:rofl:

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 03:53 PM
"What does history show about the origins of most illegal aliens? In addition to the ones who overstay their visas where do most illegals enter our borders? If they are coming from Canada how is that so many end up in California. Arizona, New Mexico and Texas?

How can one distinguish between a Muslim and a radical Muslim?"

That is the only history you pay attention to because of your hate for people of a darker hue. Just look at history...that is why the Southwest has many hispanics living there.
Where do the illegal aliens come from? Canada? Why are the majority of the illegal aliens living in the border states along the southern border?


Think about it...just because someone is hispanic, it doesn't mean they are illegal or first generation American....lol, teapers...you do understand much of the SW was Mexican territory, right? You do understand, that is the ancestry of many in area.

Let me guess. You are an Open Borders "conservative". You are just as bad as the son of a bitch in the White House. He is unable to accurately identify Islamic terrorists who, coincidently, are Muslims. He supports Islamofascism. And you are having a similar level of difficulty accurately assessing which border the majority of the illegal aliens come across. You support open borders, don't you? I wonder if you are the relative of an illegal alien.

How can one distinguish between a Muslim and a radical Muslim?

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 03:54 PM
Lol....so funny when a Trump supporter...when a Bundy supporter, when a terrorist enabler has the nerve to try to define conservatism. LOL...you are a racist, low info, lemming self will NEVER define conservatism or the GOP. You are an embarassment.

GO start a war....I am waiting for the final conclusion of you kooks
No content. No response needed.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 03:59 PM
In other words...you just made that number up and are incapable of having an honest debate.
If you prefer a different number that is your business. We won't know the real number until we have tallied up the total number deported. Add ten percent to that number and let's assume it is the actual number.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 03:59 PM
He challenges y'all and this is your response. How typical. Try answering him.
He is not challenging, he is Nutz. He is trying to be an irritant. Nothing more.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 04:01 PM
Name calling & insulting is easier....
You should take that up with Nutz.

Mac-7
01-14-2016, 04:05 PM
Nope. You guys just get more extreme as time goes on

So do leftwingers.

The country is much more polarized than it was when obumer became the vacationer in chief.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 04:21 PM
He is not challenging, he is Nutz. He is trying to be an irritant. Nothing more.
Then providing a link to your 20 million theory should be easy...especially for a teaper who is in the top 5%. (albeit being in the top 5% of the teapers is akin to being in the bottom 10 of normal Americans who love this nation).

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 04:25 PM
Then providing a link to your 20 million theory should be easy...especially for a teaper who is in the top 5%. (albeit being in the top 5% of the teapers is akin to being in the bottom 10 of normal Americans who love this nation).
Do you have difficulty reading? We won't know the real number until the wall has been built and the illegals have been deported.

Chose whatever number the establishment Republicans have given you to use. I will stick with 20 million for planning purposes.

I did not say I was in the top 5% of tea party members. As reading is a challenge for you I do understand your confusion.

Mac-7
01-14-2016, 04:29 PM
Do you have difficulty reading? We won't know the real number until the wall has been built and the illegals have been deported.

Chose whatever number the establishment Republicans have given you to use. I will stick with 20 million for planning purposes.

I did not say I was in the top 5% of tea party members. As reading is a challenge for you I do understand your confusion.

20 million is much closer to the fact than 11 million that the pro amnesty crowd prefers to use.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 04:31 PM
20 million is much closer to the fact than 11 million that the pro amnesty crown prefers to use.
The number may be higher. We will know after the wall is build and illegals booted.

Mac-7
01-14-2016, 04:36 PM
The number may be higher. We will know after the wall is build and illegals booted.

If we dont build the wall illegals could number 100 million some day

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 04:38 PM
If we dont build the wall illegals could number 100 million some day
Whatever the number actually is the Establishment Republicans and Democrats will claim it is 11 million.

Mac-7
01-14-2016, 04:40 PM
Whatever the number actually is the Establishment Republicans and Democrats will claim it is 11 million.

Yes because they want to give them amnesty and make them citizens.

ThaiBoxer
01-14-2016, 04:40 PM
I suppose she has no interest in politics from this point forward. If it turns out she does she needs a principled opponent.

If she decided to run for Senate or something some day she'd probably win. Nutters like you don't have much impact on things. You just think you do

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 04:41 PM
Yes because they want to give them amnesty and make them citizens.
...make them voters...

ThaiBoxer
01-14-2016, 04:41 PM
Just like black - or Thai - racists.

Off topic

PolWatch
01-14-2016, 04:43 PM
The only time you complain about name calling is when a conservative is doing it. Keeping it real remember?

Keep it real indeed.....

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 05:01 PM
If she decided to run for Senate or something some day she'd probably win. Nutters like you don't have much impact on things. You just think you do
When she decides to run I will support her opposition with money.

maineman
01-14-2016, 05:07 PM
When she decides to run I will support her opposition with money.

the contents of your biggie bank will probably not make a huge difference.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 05:13 PM
the contents of your biggie bank will probably not make a huge difference.
Every little bit helps.

maineman
01-14-2016, 05:23 PM
Every little bit helps.

emphasis on "little".

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 05:35 PM
emphasis on "little".
LOL. Like you I am doing well in my retirement. More money is on the way.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 06:27 PM
Do you have difficulty reading? We won't know the real number until the wall has been built and the illegals have been deported.

Chose whatever number the establishment Republicans have given you to use. I will stick with 20 million for planning purposes.

I did not say I was in the top 5% of tea party members. As reading is a challenge for you I do understand your confusion.
What if Rubio wins. Will there still be a 'real' number?

silvereyes
01-14-2016, 06:57 PM
:rofl:

X5
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

silvereyes
01-14-2016, 06:59 PM
The only time you complain about name calling is when a conservative is doing it. Keeping it real remember?
Instead of griping and name calling...try answering it.

Mac-7
01-14-2016, 07:20 PM
...make them voters...

That's a realistic and rational goal for democrats because these are poor people made to order for the Party of the Free Ride.

But republicans are just cutting their own throat with amnesty.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 09:25 PM
What if Rubio wins. Will there still be a 'real' number?
I believe it will be Trump or Cruz. If Rubio wins we will see amnesty and no, we will never have a real number. Government for government's sake will go on. The welfare rolls will expand. More people will help to crash the economy. The lies will continue.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 10:43 PM
I believe it will be Trump or Cruz. If Rubio wins we will see amnesty and no, we will never have a real number. Government for government's sake will go on. The welfare rolls will expand. More people will help to crash the economy. The lies will continue.
Exactly...for a teaper, there is no 'fact' unless it feeds the teaper narrative. Otherwise, you just dismiss any 'fact', because you can't see beyond your own nose and you think. What nonsense! How pathetic! And the funny thing, you have drank so much Kool-Aid...you just can't see how ridiculous you and your ilk really are. You should be embarrassed....and indeed you should realize, this sophomoric level of thinking simply proves you are not in the 5% of anything...especially intelligence.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 10:48 PM
Exactly...for a teaper, there is no 'fact' unless it feeds the teaper narrative. Otherwise, you just dismiss any 'fact', because you can't see beyond your own nose and you think. What nonsense! How pathetic! And the funny thing, you have drank so much Kool-Aid...you just can't see how ridiculous you and your ilk really are. You should be embarrassed....and indeed you should realize, this sophomoric level of thinking simply proves you are not in the 5% of anything...especially intelligence.
No content. No comment is necessary.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 10:53 PM
No content. No comment is necessary.
Actually, it was a description of how a low info lemming thinks.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 10:54 PM
Exactly...for a teaper, there is no 'fact' unless it feeds the teaper narrative. Otherwise, you just dismiss any 'fact', because you can't see beyond your own nose and you don't understand the differemce between fact and opinion. What nonsense! How pathetic! And the funny thing, you have drank so much Kool-Aid...you just can't see how ridiculous you and your ilk really are. You should be embarrassed....and indeed you should realize, this sophomoric level of thinking simply proves you are not in the 5% of anything...especially intelligence.

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 10:56 PM
Actually, it was a description of how a low info lemming thinks.
I suggest you work harder on your craft.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 11:00 PM
I suggest you work harder on your craft.
Be honest...do you know the difference between fact and opinion?

(Bear with me...I am trying to find out how much I need to dumb down the conversation when speaking at you).

MisterVeritis
01-14-2016, 11:05 PM
Be honest...do you know the difference between fact and opinion?

(Bear with me...I am trying to find out how much I need to dumb down the conversation when speaking at you).
No content. No comment is necessary. You need to work on your craft.

Nutz
01-14-2016, 11:15 PM
No content. No comment is necessary. You need to work on your craft.
Understood...you have no idea of the difference between fact and opinion. One of the things teapers have in common with the average liberal

MisterVeritis
01-15-2016, 11:17 AM
"No content. No comment is necessary. You need to work on your craft."

Understood...you have no idea of the difference between fact and opinion. One of the things teapers have in common with the average liberal
No content. No comment is necessary. I am coming to the realization that this is the best you have to offer.