AP FACT CHECK: Misshapen rhetoric in Republican Debate

[Cigar]

A look at some claims and how they compare with the facts:

CRUZ: "President Obama's preparing to send $100 billion or more to the Ayatollah Khamenei." :rollseyes:

THE FACTS: Cruz makes it sound like the U.S. is bestowing the largest-ever foreign aid payment on longtime foe Iran. The reality is much more mundane: A seven-nation nuclear deal commits Tehran to curbing its nuclear activities. In exchange, Iran regains access to about $100 billion of its own money that had been frozen under international sanctions.


CRUZ: Any country that makes U.S. service members get on their knees like the 10 sailors whose boats were boarded and seized by the Iranian military this week "will feel the full force and fury of the United States of America."

CHRISTIE: "Tin pot dictators ... are taking our Navy ships."

THE FACTS: Neither candidate addressed the fact that the short-lived crisis was created by the U.S. sailors who steered their boats into sovereign Iranian waters, where they were boarded and seized by Iranian naval forces. Defense Secretary Ash Carter said Thursday that the U.S. sailors had made a navigation error.

Under such circumstances it would not be unusual to disarm members of a foreign military force — even a small one like the two Navy boats — and hold them temporarily for questioning. What was exceptional about this episode — and perhaps a provocation — is that the Iranians videotaped the Americans during the encounter and posted the images on the Internet.

The suggestion by Cruz that he would have launched a military attack on Iran in response to such an incident is hard to square with accepted international tests for the use of force.

Iran returned the sailors unharmed and their boats undamaged.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/AP-FACT-CHECK-Claims-from-the-Republican-debate-6760848.php
(http://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/AP-FACT-CHECK-Claims-from-the-Republican-debate-6760848.php)


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[MisterVeritis]

A look at some claims and how they compare with the facts:

CRUZ: "President Obama's preparing to send $100 billion or more to the Ayatollah Khamenei." :rollseyes:

THE FACTS: Cruz makes it sound like the U.S. is bestowing the largest-ever foreign aid payment on longtime foe Iran. The reality is much more mundane: A seven-nation nuclear deal commits Tehran to curbing its nuclear activities. In exchange, Iran regains access to about $100 billion of its own money that had been frozen under international sanctions.

The claim is completely true. Thanks Obama.

[maineman]

what about the fact that it is THEIR money that they finally get access to has escaped your attention?

I AM glad to see that you avoided the idiocy about the naval incident, however.

[Cigar]

The claim is completely true. Thanks Obama.

Don't be an idiot ... and disappoint Mother. :laugh:

The US isn't paying Extortion Money, the 100B are frozen assets :rollseyes:

[TrueBlue]

A look at some claims and how they compare with the facts:

CRUZ: "President Obama's preparing to send $100 billion or more to the Ayatollah Khamenei." :rollseyes:

THE FACTS: Cruz makes it sound like the U.S. is bestowing the largest-ever foreign aid payment on longtime foe Iran. The reality is much more mundane: A seven-nation nuclear deal commits Tehran to curbing its nuclear activities. In exchange, Iran regains access to about $100 billion of its own money that had been frozen under international sanctions.


CRUZ: Any country that makes U.S. service members get on their knees like the 10 sailors whose boats were boarded and seized by the Iranian military this week "will feel the full force and fury of the United States of America."

CHRISTIE: "Tin pot dictators ... are taking our Navy ships."

THE FACTS: Neither candidate addressed the fact that the short-lived crisis was created by the U.S. sailors who steered their boats into sovereign Iranian waters, where they were boarded and seized by Iranian naval forces. Defense Secretary Ash Carter said Thursday that the U.S. sailors had made a navigation error.

Under such circumstances it would not be unusual to disarm members of a foreign military force — even a small one like the two Navy boats — and hold them temporarily for questioning. What was exceptional about this episode — and perhaps a provocation — is that the Iranians videotaped the Americans during the encounter and posted the images on the Internet.

The suggestion by Cruz that he would have launched a military attack on Iran in response to such an incident is hard to square with accepted international tests for the use of force.

Iran returned the sailors unharmed and their boats undamaged.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/AP-FACT-CHECK-Claims-from-the-Republican-debate-6760848.php
(http://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/AP-FACT-CHECK-Claims-from-the-Republican-debate-6760848.php)


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Well of course. The sailors inadvertently sailed into their territorial waters and as any country would do under similar circumstances, they took them in to see what was happening and why they were there. Arrogant Cruz is saying that they should not have apologized nor knelt down. And by not doing so they could have provoked further damages to something that could otherwise be readily rectified and was. The sailors did the right thing and Cruz just has to learn to swallow his pride when such incidents occur and not get so bent out of shape about something that in this case was handled so diplomatically by Iran. Cruz has just proven that he is not presidential material and would only create an International incident and start a war over something that could be handled much more diplomatically. Down With Cruz!! SHAME on Cruz!!

[MisterVeritis]

Don't be an idiot ... and disappoint Mother. :laugh:

The US isn't paying Extortion Money, the 100B are frozen assets :rollseyes:
Which president made it possible? Don't be an idiot ... and disappoint Mother. :laugh:

There was no mention of extortion, only facilitation. And you support the monster. I do wonder why. Americans will be murdered, funded by these terror dollars. I despise that son of a bitch in the White House. Even more I despise the brain-damaged supporters who facilitate his un-American activities.

[MisterVeritis]

what about the fact that it is THEIR money that they finally get access to has escaped your attention?

I AM glad to see that you avoided the idiocy about the naval incident, however.
You also facilitate the monster in the White House.

We do not know the real story yet. I will withhold judgment until I believe we have some facts to go on.

[MisterVeritis]

Well of course. The sailors inadvertently sailed into their territorial waters and as any country would do under similar circumstances, they took them in to see what was happening and why they were there. Arrogant Cruz is saying that they should not have apologized nor knelt down. And by not doing so they could have provoked further damages to something that could otherwise be readily rectified and was. The sailors did the right thing and Cruz just has to learn to swallow his pride when such incidents occur and not get so bent out of shape about something that in this case was handled so diplomatically by Iran. Cruz has just proven that he is not presidential material and would only create an International incident and start a war over something that could be handled much more diplomatically. Down With Cruz!! SHAME on Cruz!!

Obama is a monster. An anti-American, soulless monster. We do not know the story in the same way we still do not know what Obama, Hillary, and Panetta did during Obama's Benghazi Massacre.

It will take an American President Trump before we will uncover the truth.

[TrueBlue]

Obama is a monster. An anti-American, soulless monster. We do not know the story in the same way we still do not know what Obama, Hillary, and Panetta did during Obama's Benghazi Massacre.

It will take an American President Trump before we will uncover the truth.
Only you will never have him as president. As for your comments, they are quite disloyal and border on sedition and you should be ashamed for that.

[MisterVeritis]

Only you will never have him as president. As for your comments, they are quite disloyal and border on sedition and you should be ashamed for that.
This, as much as anything else you have every written, tell me that you are a kook.

[maineman]

This, as much as anything else you have every written, tell me that you are a kook.

irony abounds