Iran ~ American Reporter and others held prisoner released

[exotix]

*Breaking*

Four Iranian-Americans Released Under Prisoner Swap Deal, Iran Media Reports

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/four-iranian-americans-released-under-prisoner-swap-deal-iran-media-n497881

http://gawker.com/reports-iran-releases-washington-post-reporter-and-3-o-1753345085

Comes as Iran Nuclear Deal takes effect today

Four Iranian-American nationals who were held for various charges in Iran have been freed under a prisoner swap deal, Tehran's prosecutor announced Saturday, according to Iranian state news agency FARS.

"Based on an approval of the Supreme National Security Council (SNSC) and the general interests of the Islamic Republic, four Iranian prisoners with dual-nationality were freed today within the framework of a prisoner swap deal," the office of Tehran prosecutor said, it reported.



According to the Associated Press (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/63dff6aba2b248c1be660e9bfa590d78/iran-state-tv-announces-release-4-dual-nationality), Iran has announced, via state television, the release of 4 Iranian-American prisoners.
The semi-official Fars News Agency reports (http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13941026001314) that Jason Rezaian, a reporter for theWashington Post (http://gawker.com/washington-post-reporter-sentenced-to-unspecified-priso-1744068745), is among them.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s---VlKYapK--/ef6frg14oaim2ooej6p8.jpg

[Adelaide]

Well, that's good to hear. But I can't seem to find who the US is exchanging them for - anyone know? It says "swap" so there must be prisoners that the US is giving back to Iran.

[Beevee]

So that's four American spies released. How many other American spies are detained in countries around the world?

[maineman]

I wonder if those four would have been released if a President Cruz had attacked Iran for detaining - for less than a day - those ten sailors who screwed up and sailed into waters they were not allowed to be in?

[exotix]

I wonder if those four would have been released if a President Cruz had attacked Iran for detaining - for less than a day - those ten sailors who screwed up and sailed into waters they were not allowed to be in?As it turned-out it was helicopters from the U.S. Carrier group in the area on a search and rescue mission for the sailors when they strayed-off course that set-off alarms when they violated Iranian airspace.

[TrueBlue]

I wonder if those four would have been released if a President Cruz had attacked Iran for detaining - for less than a day - those ten sailors who screwed up and sailed into waters they were not allowed to be in?
Are you kidding? With a "President Cruz" there's little doubt America would be forced to enter into World War 3!

[Bo-4]

Yep, it just doesn't pay to try to work with this more moderate regime.

Put Ted in charge and he'd have just started another war.

Much simpler. :)

MOAR:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/iran-releases-post-correspondent-jason-rezaian-iranian-reports-say/2016/01/16/e8ee7858-ba38-11e5-829c-26ffb874a18d_story.html

[Bo-4]

IAEA about to give the all clear ..

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/16/middleeast/vienna-iran-iaea-nuclear-deal/

I hope Tommy Cotton and his fellow turncoats are paying attention, and will now go crawl under a rock.

http://a3.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/c_fill,fl_keep_iptc,g_faces,h_365,w_652/njtrg5g2spcnhwagcrt5.jpg

[exotix]

Cruz Praises Iranians ... bashes Obama ... man o man ... LOL

http://i63.tinypic.com/9awzeq.jpg

[TrueBlue]

*Breaking*

Four Iranian-Americans Released Under Prisoner Swap Deal, Iran Media Reports

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/four-iranian-americans-released-under-prisoner-swap-deal-iran-media-n497881

http://gawker.com/reports-iran-releases-washington-post-reporter-and-3-o-1753345085

Comes as Iran Nuclear Deal takes effect today

Four Iranian-American nationals who were held for various charges in Iran have been freed under a prisoner swap deal, Tehran's prosecutor announced Saturday, according to Iranian state news agency FARS.

"Based on an approval of the Supreme National Security Council (SNSC) and the general interests of the Islamic Republic, four Iranian prisoners with dual-nationality were freed today within the framework of a prisoner swap deal," the office of Tehran prosecutor said, it reported.



According to the Associated Press (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/63dff6aba2b248c1be660e9bfa590d78/iran-state-tv-announces-release-4-dual-nationality), Iran has announced, via state television, the release of 4 Iranian-American prisoners.
The semi-official Fars News Agency reports (http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13941026001314) that Jason Rezaian, a reporter for theWashington Post (http://gawker.com/washington-post-reporter-sentenced-to-unspecified-priso-1744068745), is among them.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s---VlKYapK--/ef6frg14oaim2ooej6p8.jpg
SHHHHHHH!!! QUIET!! Don't dare let Cruz hear about these news or he's liable to go bomb Iran and start a major war! SUUURE he praises Iran!

[Bo-4]

Cruz Praises Iranians ... bashes Obama ... man o man ... LOL

Is the pastor the only one TeaTed gave a crap about?

I know this story well because he's from Boise. He was in Iran proselytizing like a damn fool.

So i've little sympathy for the moron.

[exotix]

Just In

Rubio & Trump denounce prisoner release

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/266154-rubio-denounces-prisoner-swap-with-iran

[TrueBlue]

Just In

Rubio & Trump denounce prisoner release

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/266154-rubio-denounces-prisoner-swap-with-iran
Simply Incredible! How do you explain that to the families of those released?! Hope they remember those two Republicans in the next election!

[Tahuyaman]

It's nice that these guys are finally free after all this time.

I'm just wondering how much Obama had to humiliate himself and grovel the the feet of the Iranians to make this happen?

[exotix]

It's nice that these guys are finally free after all this time.

I'm just wondering how much Obama had to humiliate himself and grovel the the feet of the Iranians to make this happen?
Remind us what the Congressional GOP did again ?

[Tahuyaman]

Remind us what the Congressional GOP did again ?


Which one of those people is the person in charge of US foreign policy or our relations with other countries?

[exotix]

Which one of those people is the person in charge of US foreign policy or our relations with other countries?
I simply asked what the Congressional GOP did to secure the release of the prisoners that's all.

[maineman]

Remind us what the Congressional GOP did again ?

well we know that several of them took bribes from Israel in an attempt to scuttle the deal.

there's that.

[Tahuyaman]

I simply asked what the Congressional GOP did to secure the release of the prisoners that's all.


And why why do you believe that is their job?

Do you have any ideas as to how the man responsible for that had to humiliate himself or compromise our security to make this happen?

[Bo-4]

well we know that several of them took bribes from Israel in an attempt to scuttle the deal.

there's that.

Yep, Gitmo would be too good for the traitorous bastards.

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/republican-congressman-took-million-dollar-bribe-from-israel-to-sabotage-obamas-iran-deal/23464/

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/259895/traitor-senators-took-money-iran-lobby-back-iran-daniel-greenfield

[maineman]

And why why do you believe that is their job?

Do you have any ideas as to how the man responsible for that had to humiliate himself or compromise our security to make this happen?

ideas? opinions? or facts? My opinion is that he did not have to humiliate himself at all or compromise our security in the least. YMMV

[Tahuyaman]

ideas? opinions? or facts? My opinion is that he did not have to humiliate himself at all or compromise our security in the least. YMMV


I'll give your opinion the appropriate amount of consideration.

[maineman]

I'll give your opinion the appropriate amount of consideration.

consider it an opinion, absolutely. and then, as a courtesy, don't try to pawn YOUR opinions off as fact. mmmmmkay?

[exotix]

And why why do you believe that is their job?

Do you have any ideas as to how the man responsible for that had to humiliate himself or compromise our security to make this happen?Oh lemme check which GOP'rs of the 107th Congress voted to wage war in Iraq.

[Adelaide]

Simply Incredible! How do you explain that to the families of those released?! Hope they remember those two Republicans in the next election!


I think that it is good they were released but I am still trying to figure out who Iran got in return - or what. From the article you replied to:


“When you do deals like the Bergdahl deal and other things, you are incentivizing people to take Americans hostage and prisoner even if they’ve done nothing wrong,” Rubio said.


Rubio has a point. This is why the US does not pay ISIS for prisoners. This is why countries like France paying ISIS for prisoners is bad because then ISIS takes that money and buys a lot of cool stuff to kill people with and they (drum roll), take more prisoners/hostages! It might be less immediately damaging to exchange with Iran but what exactly did they get? I can find no mention in any of the articles being posted. I think we need to know what assets or risks the administration took to get this "swap" done with Iran before we can completely brush it off and celebrate the return of these prisoners.

[Tahuyaman]

consider it an opinion, absolutely. and then, as a courtesy, don't try to pawn YOUR opinions off as fact. mmmmmkay?


Like I said, which you can't seem to accept, I'll give your opinion the consideration it merits.

[Tahuyaman]

Oh lemme check which GOP'rs of the 107th Congress voted to wage war in Iraq.

how is this current event happening relevant to the constitutional requirements for declaring War on another nation?

[exotix]

how is this relevant to the constitutional requirements for declaring War on another nation?
Oh I was just curious why the GOP can wage war but can't do anything else.

[Rebel Son]

I think that it is good they were released but I am still trying to figure out who Iran got in return - or what. From the article you replied to:




Rubio has a point. This is why the US does not pay ISIS for prisoners. This is why countries like France paying ISIS for prisoners is bad because then ISIS takes that money and buys a lot of cool stuff to kill people with and they (drum roll), take more prisoners/hostages! It might be less immediately damaging to exchange with Iran but what exactly did they get? I can find no mention in any of the articles being posted. I think we need to know what assets or risks the administration took to get this "swap" done with Iran before we can completely brush it off and celebrate the return of these prisoners.

21 Iranians exchanged for 4 Americans, they agreed to buy 114 passenger jets and we give them 150 billion dollars. Thats it in a nutshell, who they sent to Iran I don't know. Some were cyber terrorist, they say but I'm not pinning myself down to that. We should have had those guys home long ago.

[Tahuyaman]

Oh I was just curious why the GOP can wage war but can't do anything else.

I'm not sure if know this, but the different branches of government have different responsibilities, functions and requirements.

[Tahuyaman]

I think that it is good they were released but I am still trying to figure out who Iran got in return - or what. From the article you replied to:



Rubio has a point. This is why the US does not pay ISIS for prisoners. This is why countries like France paying ISIS for prisoners is bad because then ISIS takes that money and buys a lot of cool stuff to kill people with and they (drum roll), take more prisoners/hostages! It might be less immediately damaging to exchange with Iran but what exactly did they get? I can find no mention in any of the articles being posted. I think we need to know what assets or risks the administration took to get this "swap" done with Iran before we can completely brush it off and celebrate the return of these prisoners.


Valid points.

[Bo-4]

And after all the endless yammering?
​
HUGE win for Obama

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[Cletus]

I wonder if those four would have been released if a President Cruz had attacked Iran for detaining - for less than a day - those ten sailors who screwed up and sailed into waters they were not allowed to be in?

They were released because we gave them what they wanted. 7 Iranian prisoners and a bribe of 100 billion Dollar bribe will apparently still get you something in today's market.

[Cletus]

And after all the endless yammering?
​
HUGE win for Obama

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How?

Why did it take him so long to get them back?

[Adelaide]

21 Iranians exchanged for 4 Americans, they agreed to buy 114 passenger jets and we give them 150 billion dollars. Thats it in a nutshell, who they sent to Iran I don't know. Some were cyber terrorist, they say but I'm not pinning myself down to that. We should have had those guys home long ago.

Do you have a source? I didn't see it in any of the articles I was looking at. 21 Iranians? That seems like a pretty big deal for the Iranians, to say nothing of the rest of the deal.

[Tahuyaman]

Do you have a source? I didn't see it in any of the articles I was looking at. 21 Iranians? That seems like a pretty big deal for the Iranians, to say nothing of the rest of the deal.

You are the only one I've seen mention 21 Iranians It certainly wouldn't surprise me though.

My question to the President would be, seeing that you just agreed to a prisoner swap, why did you wait until these people had been in captivity for 500 days to do so?

[Adelaide]

You are the only one I've seen mention 21 Iranians It certainly wouldn't surprise me though.

My question to the President would be, seeing that you just agreed to a prisoner swap, why did you wait until these people had been in captivity for 500 days to do so?

I was quoting what Rebel Son said. I have not seen 21 Iranians anywhere which is why I asked for a source.

[Cigar]

And after all the endless yammering?
​
HUGE win for Obama

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Bo-4 the GOP sure took another one in the 5-Hole :laugh:

President Community Organizre keeps Kicking-Ass and taking names. :grin:

[Adelaide]

@Bo-4 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1297) the GOP sure took another one in the 5-Hole :laugh:

President Community Organizre keeps Kicking-Ass and taking names. :grin:

Previous swaps have been quite questionable - this isn't a "win" for Obama, especially since there is no apparent confirmation on what was given in exchange for the prisoners. It could be declared a win if we didn't hand over serious threats to US security this time.

People have a right to be concerned about what the swap entailed. While Iran is not ISIS, Rubio and others still also make valid points about that these types of swaps set a precedence - why not hold more Americans hostage when you can get an unequal return on your "investment" in the form of a higher number of prisoners, financial advantages, so forth. The phrase "you don't negotiate with terrorists" should really be "you don't allow the country to be extorted."

[Tahuyaman]

Why wasn't this solution pursued a year and a half ago? If this is the desired solution, why did this take so long? These people remained in an Iranian prison for more than 500 days because of an indecisive and weak leader.

[maineman]

Why wasn't this solution pursued a year and a half ago? If this is the desired solution, why did this take so long? These people remained in an Iranian prison for more than 500 days because of an indecisive and weak leader.

diplomacy is obviously not something for instant gratification folks with ADD.

[Tahuyaman]

diplomacy is obviously not something for instant gratification folks with ADD.

Really? It took more than 500 days to come up with this? Isn't this just what Iran was demanding back then?

Our leadership is humiliated and embarrassed around the world nearly every day now.

[Tahuyaman]

This next year can't pass soon enough. Who can predict what damage this guy can do in twelve more months. Especially when he has virtually no opposition to hold him back. The Republicans in the senate don't have the nuts to do anything.

I sure hope we can get through the next year without any economic and foreign policy disaters.

Well, the economy is a disaster right now. Foreign policy is a bigger disaster. What's next?

[maineman]

Really? It took more than 500 days to come up with this? Isn't this just what Iran was demanding back then?

Our leadership is humiliated and embarrassed around the world nearly every day now.odd... my wife and I traveled around Europe a little over a year ago and found that our president was admired everywhere there... almost reverentially so.

[maineman]

This next year can't pass soon enough. Who can predict what damage this guy can do in twelve more months. Especially when he has virtually no opposition to hold him back. The Republicans in the senate don't have the nuts to do anything.

I sure hope we can get through the next year without any economic and foreign policy disaters.

Well, the economy is a disaster right now. Foreign policy is a bigger disaster. What's next?
Imagine the foreign policy disaster that would have happened if a President Cruz had gotten us into a hot war with Iran over a nautical traffic violation that was our fault to begin with!

[Tahuyaman]

Imagine the foreign policy disaster that would have happened if a President Cruz had gotten us into a hot war with Iran over a nautical traffic violation that was our fault to begin with!

I'm in the here and now. Not in the, what would have happened if, world.

Right now now we are being embarrassed every day. It's to the point now that most of us expect it.

I don't want to watch the news. It's embarrassing.

[Tahuyaman]

odd... my wife and I traveled around Europe a little over a year ago and found that our president was admired everywhere there... almost reverentially so.


The messiah complex. I wouldn't be surprised if had a shrine in your spare bedroom.

[maineman]

I'm in the here and now. Not in the, what would have happened if, world.

Right now now we are being embarrassed every day. It's to the point now that most of us expect it.

I don't want to watch the news. It's embarrassing.the fact that YOU are embarrassed by our president is absolutely inconsequential... like bug dust. The rest of the world admires and respects our president. He remains the most admired man in the world and the most admired man in America. I can absolutely guarantee you that he could not give less of a fuck about YOUR opinion of him.

[maineman]

The messiah complex. I wouldn't be surprised if had a shrine in your spare bedroom.
The walls of my guest bedroom are filled with ship's pictures, plaques, diplomas, commissions,and medal citations.... my wife calls it a shrine to ME. My home has absolutely nothing that says "Obama" on it.

[Tahuyaman]

The walls of my guest bedroom are filled with ship's pictures, plaques, diplomas, commissions,and medal citations.... my wife calls it a shrine to ME. My home has absolutely nothing that says "Obama" on it.

You really gave me some great set up lines there.

[maineman]

And you think that I am concerned about that? Really? Actually, I hope you feel compelled to use them.

[Tahuyaman]

the fact that YOU are embarrassed by our president is absolutely inconsequential... like bug dust. The rest of the world admires and respects our president. He remains the most admired man in the world and the most admired man in America. I can absolutely guarantee you that he could not give less of a $#@! about YOUR opinion of him.

There was a time, before he proved to be a blundering failure that people had high hopes for him. He dashed those hopes through his own arrogant incompetence. The crazy ntion that he was some messianic figure is in the distant past.

I've never seen someone so incompetent carry them self with such misplaced arrogance.

It is clear to any rational person that when elected, the job was way over his head and he never recovered. We now have clear proof that OJT is not appropriate in the pesidency. It is unusual how he never seemed to gain any wisdom through his experience as POTUS.

The next president is going to be stuck with the difficult task of restoring our image virtually everywhere in the world. He or she, God help us, is going to need to employ unheard of diplomatic skills to undo the damage he's done.

[maineman]

There was a time, before he proved to be an incopetent embarassment, that people had high hopes for him. He dashed those hopes through his own arrogant incompetence. The crazy ntion that he was some messianic figure is in the distant past.in your opinion. Regardless of your hatred for the man,for the past seven years, he has held the number one spot as the most admired man in America, and the most admired man in the world, according to Gallup, which has conducted that poll since 1948, It would appear that the rest of the country and the rest of the world does not share your views. Sorry.

[Tahuyaman]

in your opinion. Regardless of your hatred for the man,for the past seven years, he has held the number one spot as the most admired man in America, and the most admired man in the world, according to Gallup, which has conducted that poll since 1948, It would appear that the rest of the country and the rest of the world does not share your views. Sorry.

I don't hate the man. I have no respect for the man.

I respect the office he holds. That's it.

He cheapens that office. He disrespects that office. He disrespects the principles which guide the nation. He puts himself above those principles. He's not worthy of my respect.

[maineman]

I don't hate the man. I have no respect for the man.

I respect the office he holds. That's it.

He cheapens that office. He disrespects that office. He disrespects the principles which guide the nation. He puts himself above those principles. He's not worthy of my respect.two points for reiteration:

1. I can guarantee that Obama cares less about your opinion of him than who the Red Sox draft in the ninth round.

2. As stated, the rest of the country and the rest of the world disagrees.

[Tahuyaman]

two points for reiteration:

1. I can guarantee that Obama cares less about your opinion of him than who the Red Sox draft in the ninth round.

2. As stated, the rest of the country and the rest of the world disagrees.

You are wrong. He cares very much what people think of him. He believes everyone should see him as he sees himself. He wouldn't carry himself with such haughty arrogance if he didn't care. The concept of humilty is lost on him. Condescending arrogance is his default position.

More people agree with me than you seem to believe. You need to open your eyes to the world outside your fantasy created bubble.

He's caused damage both economically and societal that will take decades to repair. He might double that damage on his way out the door. No one is willing to put him check out of fear of being called a racist.

[Bo-4]

How?

Why did it take him so long to get them back?

Lol, it's always something eh Clete? :D

[Bo-4]

@Bo-4 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1297) the GOP sure took another one in the 5-Hole :laugh:

President Community Organizre keeps Kicking-Ass and taking names. :grin:

Normal people rejoice while haters say why'd it take so long OR you're negotiating with terrorists!!

They'll be damned before they give Obama even a teeny tiny win, let alone a massive one!

:laughing9:

[Bo-4]

odd... my wife and I traveled around Europe a little over a year ago and found that our president was admired everywhere there... almost reverentially so.

My experience as well maineman .. i mean look at what Boy Blunder did to our image abroad.

Guess folks weren't so fond of cowboy diplomacy.

http://www.pewglobal.org/files/legacy/263-1.gif

And here's the community organizer and diplomat: :)

http://www.pewglobal.org/2015/06/23/1-americas-global-image/

[Bo-4]

This next year can't pass soon enough. Who can predict what damage this guy can do in twelve more months. Especially when he has virtually no opposition to hold him back. The Republicans in the senate don't have the nuts to do anything.

I sure hope we can get through the next year without any economic and foreign policy disaters.

Well, the economy is a disaster right now. Foreign policy is a bigger disaster. What's next?

Much butthurt i sense indeed! :D

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/56844-Iran-American-Reporter-and-others-held-prisoner-released?p=1406685#post1406685

[Peter1469]

Don't go to Estonia. Your head would pop. :wink:

They worship Cheney and Bush there.

[Bo-4]

Don't go to Estonia. Your head would pop. :wink:

They worship Cheney and Bush there.

There are more people in IDAHO than there are in Estonia! :)

http://countrymeters.info/en/Estonia

[Peter1469]

There are more people in IDAHO than there are in Estonia! :)

http://countrymeters.info/en/Estonia

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ze5-XzyMZqY/TZPTbiuDa4I/AAAAAAAAAG0/e6t526R6ZAE/s1600/exploding_head_.jpg

[maineman]

My experience as well maineman .. i mean look at what Boy Blunder did to our image abroad.

Guess folks weren't so fond of cowboy diplomacy.

http://www.pewglobal.org/files/legacy/263-1.gif

And here's the community organizer and diplomat: :)

http://www.pewglobal.org/2015/06/23/1-americas-global-image/

don't try to show Tahuyaman the facts. He believes that the rest of the world views us unfavorably and facts will just get in his way. Pesky things, those facts.

[Bo-4]

don't try to show @Tahuyaman (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1365) the facts. He believes that the rest of the world views us unfavorably and facts will just get in his way. Pesky things, those facts.

I can see that last night his head was about to explode. Hope he made it through the night ;-)

[Subdermal]

don't try to show @Tahuyaman (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1365) the facts. He believes that the rest of the world views us unfavorably and facts will just get in his way. Pesky things, those facts.

They certainly are.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2012/06/13/global-opinion-of-obama-slips-international-policies-faulted/

Also pesky are those facts that you and every other lefty are ignoring in that other thread about Benghazi defense forces being told to stand down by Obama, thus causing the death of four Americans.

Pesky, those facts.

[Ethereal]

So that's four American spies released. How many other American spies are detained in countries around the world?

We don't know if they're spies, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if they were. The US government has been meddling in Iran's internal affairs since at least the 1950's.

[maineman]

They certainly are.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2012/06/13/global-opinion-of-obama-slips-international-policies-faulted/


so the world opinion of him has declined marginally in five years..... to the point where he's still the most admired man in the whole world.

got it.

[Subdermal]

so the world opinion of him has declined marginally in five years..... to the point where he's still the most admired man in the whole world.

got it.

You wonder how the supposedly most admired man in the world wasn't skilled enough to at least maintain how much he's admired.

Well, that's probably not true. Neither one of us wonder - but for totally different reasons.

Neither one of also wonder why you edited out the need to respond to the Benghazi betrayal.

Damn pesky facts.

[Tahuyaman]

Much butthurt i sense indeed! :D

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/56844-Iran-American-Reporter-and-others-held-prisoner-released?p=1406685#post1406685

No. Just disturbed that we have a leader who's causing damage thats going to take decades to recover from. I don't even consider the mind numbed drones who just blindly march along as if nothing is happening.

Its time for your dose of soma now, so run along....

[Beevee]

We don't know if they're spies, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if they were. The US government has been meddling in Iran's internal affairs since at least the 1950's.

If they were not, then every American/Iranian in Iran would have been subject to the same treatment.

[Tahuyaman]

Its more disturbing that so many political hacks either ignore the damage being done or cheerlead as its being done.

[Bo-4]

Its more disturbing that so many political hacks either ignore the damage being done or cheerlead as its being done.

BOOM .. thar she blows! :cool:

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/funny/1/bursting-head-smiley-emoticon.gif

[Tahuyaman]

I'm going to guess that they just aren't very smart.

[Adelaide]

the fact that YOU are embarrassed by our president is absolutely inconsequential... like bug dust. The rest of the world admires and respects our president. He remains the most admired man in the world and the most admired man in America. I can absolutely guarantee you that he could not give less of a fuck about YOUR opinion of him.

He's not as admired as you seem to think on the international stage. People who have followed his presidency have a whole host of reasons to find him undesirable. Drone strikes come to mind. Treatment of whistle-blowers. Failure to enact a law(s) that actually addresses the healthcare crisis. Bailing out the banks/wall street. Increasing restrictions on civil liberties through actions such as monitoring phone calls. On and on...

The general opinion I get from other Canadians is "Thank God he's not Bush - but meh/yeesh/yikes". Ambivalence or reactions of watching a train wreck.

[maineman]

He's not as admired as you seem to think on the international stage. People who have followed his presidency have a whole host of reasons to find him undesirable. Drone strikes come to mind. Treatment of whistle-blowers. Failure to enact a law(s) that actually addresses the healthcare crisis. Bailing out the banks/wall street. Increasing restrictions on civil liberties through actions such as monitoring phone calls. On and on...

The general opinion I get from other Canadians is "Thank God he's not Bush - but meh/yeesh/yikes". Ambivalence or reactions of watching a train wreck.

your anecdotal opinions based upon some other Canadians really doesn't hold a lot of weight when measured against the Gallup poll. Sorry.