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Peter1469
01-17-2016, 08:13 PM
Sanders shares details of health-care plan that would raise income taxes (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/17/hours-before-debate-sanders-shares-details-of-health-plan-that-would-raise-income-taxes/?hpid=hp_rhp-more-top-stories_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory)

Bernie wants to significantly raise income taxes to pay for a universal health care plan.


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By John Wagner (http://www.washingtonpost.com/people/john-wagner) January 17 at 7:03 PM (john.wagner@washpost.com?subject=Reader%20feedbac k%20for%20%27Hours%20before%20debate,%20Sanders%20 shares%20details%20of%20health-care%20plan%20that%20would%20raise%20income%20taxe s%27)
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Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders speaks at a recent campaign event at Wartburg College in Waverly, Iowa. (Scott Morgan/Reuters)
CHARLESTON, S.C. -- Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders would raise income taxes across the board -- and by substantially more on high earners -- to pay for an ambitious single-payer health-care plan, under details released Sunday night.
The senator from Vermont said the plan, which was outlined before a Democratic debate here, would ultimately save most families thousands of dollars a year on out-of-pocket health-care costs.



But Sanders would pay for it largely through higher income taxes. Those making more than $250,000 a year would pay a marginal tax rate on that income of 37 percent, up a few percentage points from what they now pay.

zelmo1234
01-17-2016, 08:32 PM
Well that should send a lot of Corporate offices off shore? Then what is he going to do for money.

Typical Socialist.

kilgram
01-17-2016, 08:39 PM
Well that should send a lot of Corporate offices off shore? Then what is he going to do for money.

Typical Socialist.
Typicl capitalist.

Peter1469
01-17-2016, 08:39 PM
Raise income taxes more. Also payroll taxes for what business remains.

zelmo1234
01-17-2016, 08:46 PM
Typicl capitalist.

Yes I enjoy running a company making profits and actually like the fact that I employ a lot of people. But when you take more in taxes, that does not come from me, it will come from my employee's and Customers.

But if I can off shore my home office and then charge administration fee's that transfer nearly all of the profits to another country that has a much lower tax rate then my employee's don't have to suffer and neither do my customers.

Only the government that thought they were entitled to my earnings suffer and I can live with that.

ThaiBoxer
01-17-2016, 09:44 PM
What's the difference if you're paying a thousand dollars a month for health insurance now plus deductibles and co-pays or higher income taxes instead? Middle class families would save a lot of money. This sounds like a good plan. Every other civilized nation on this planet makes sure every citizen has health care. This is the only nation where profit greed trump someone staying alive.

Peter1469
01-17-2016, 09:49 PM
What's the difference if you're paying a thousand dollars a month for health insurance now plus deductibles and co-pays or higher income taxes instead? Middle class families would save a lot of money. This sounds like a good plan. Every other civilized nation on this planet makes sure every citizen has health care. This is the only nation where profit greed trump someone staying alive.

Will the quality of such a system in the US be more like the UK system or the Canadian system?

zelmo1234
01-17-2016, 09:50 PM
What's the difference if you're paying a thousand dollars a month for health insurance now plus deductibles and co-pays or higher income taxes instead? Middle class families would save a lot of money. This sounds like a good plan. Every other civilized nation on this planet makes sure every citizen has health care. This is the only nation where profit greed trump someone staying alive.

I want you to think about that statement. Right now most middle class families get their insurance from their employer who pays about 80% of the cost. Sanders wants to shift that burden onto the individual. What he is not telling you is he has not considered that employers will drop coverage to help offset the higher taxes. Now each family will be responsible for their own care. Taxes in most country's are over 10% just for healthcare, Then you start taxing for everything else.

So people can't afford to live, and the only way to lower costs is to ration healthcare, which has happened in every country with socialized medical care. That is why Wealthy people from other nations and Government officials from other nations come to the USA for advanced care.

kilgram
01-18-2016, 01:42 AM
Will the quality of such a system in the US be more like the UK system or the Canadian system?
Public healthcare is superior to the private.

UK system was destroyed by the beloved prime minister of the right, the Witch.

About Canadian I don't know it, but I believe it is pretty good.

And for example Spanish healthcare has nothing to envy to American.

Also, it is everything cheaper from drugs to costs of treatment for the patient. Also, it is much cheaper than the costs of paying an insurance. You pay less.

Also, if you want a private healthcare insurance you can get it.

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Cigar
01-18-2016, 08:04 AM
Raise income taxes more. Also payroll taxes for what business remains.

Sure beats the Health Care Business Tax

Peter1469
01-18-2016, 08:42 AM
Sure beats the Health Care Business Tax

How so?

Peter1469
01-18-2016, 08:46 AM
What about doctors who refuse to take medicare? Are we going to make it impossible to opt out (http://www.aapsonline.org/index.php/article/opt_out_medicare/)?


It is simple to opt out of Medicare - far simpler than staying in the Medicare program. Thousands of physicians have already opted out, and we have not heard a single regret by any of these physicians. Medicare endangers seniors, rations care and punishes the best doctors whose only aim is to give the best care. For the sake of patients and integrity of the profession, doctors should get out of Medicare.

A silver lining in the Medicare Access and CHIP Reauthorization Act of 2015. which was signed into law in mid-April to repeal the sustainable growth rate (SGR), is a provision in the bill that also repeals the irritating requirement of having to renew an opt-out status every two years. In the future, a physician will need to file an affidavit to opt out of Medicare only once, and it will have permanent effect. The physician will not need to renew his opt-out every two years thereafter. But that permanent filing of an opt-out affidavit cannot occur until sixty (60) days after the enactment of the new Medicare law, which was signed into law on Apr 17. If your opt-out affidavit is due before June 16, and if you want your opt-out to be permanent, then you might consider delaying your renewal and not seeing any Medicare patients until after you can file a permanent opt-out affidavit.

The good doctors are going to opt out and start cash only businesses- you get reimbursed from your insurer on your time. The mediocre doctors will give you free healthcare.

texan
01-18-2016, 10:17 AM
What's the difference if you're paying a thousand dollars a month for health insurance now plus deductibles and co-pays or higher income taxes instead? Middle class families would save a lot of money. This sounds like a good plan. Every other civilized nation on this planet makes sure every citizen has health care. This is the only nation where profit greed trump someone staying alive.


We have and always will make sure everyone has access to HC, I get tired of you liberals making statements like we don't or never have......

texan
01-18-2016, 10:25 AM
BTW at least Bernie is honest about what he would do................

texan
01-18-2016, 10:30 AM
Somebody is lying or lied to us, Ocare is in place to cover everyone how can this be true?

"No one is tearing this up, we're going to go forward," said Sanders, complaining that 29 million Americans still lacked health care.

texan
01-18-2016, 11:15 AM
Seriously why are we talking about this if Ocare is so great and covered everyone? Somebody tell me.

ThaiBoxer
01-18-2016, 11:45 AM
We have and always will make sure everyone has access to HC, I get tired of you liberals making statements like we don't or never have......

Sure you might get it but you'll go bankrupt in the meantime

texan
01-18-2016, 11:58 AM
How so?

And that is not what you stated, you said we are uncivilized when we are probably the most civilized and advanced nation on earth. I am tired of liberal runoff at the mouth with incorrect info..............Why did Bernie say last night we have 29 million uninsured people when Obama and the rest of the lying dems said that Ocare would fix that and claim it is a success?

Huh?


Oh and this.......

Sen. Sanders was asked about the new ACA sign up numbers on MSNBC’s The Ed Show.Sen. Sanders (I-VT) said, “It tells us that you have a program that is working well. That they have overcome the problems that they initially had. It tells me that about seventy-five percent of the people on the exchanges think that the healthcare they are getting is good, and I think this is making our Republican colleagues very nervous.”Later, Sen. Sanders explained why Republicans want to destroy the ACA. He said, “They want to destroy it not for what it is, but because it is the federal government doing something to protect ordinary people, and that is not what they like. These are the same guys who want to end Medicare as we know it. Convert it into a voucher program. Make massive cuts in Medicaid and other federal healthcare programs. Ultimately what they want at the end of the day is for all Americans to go into the private sector exclusively for their health care. If you don’t have any money and you can’t afford it, tough luck.”

Of course he doesn't say that it's obviously failing since 29 million are not covered. I remember there were 40 Mil it was going to cover and we have 10 mil after 2 years...........So now he wants to throw it all out?

Mister inconsistent........Of course we won't talk about the overage in costs........BTW if you don't want to go bankrupt buy a plan its guaranteed to save you from bankruptcy.

texan
01-18-2016, 03:48 PM
About what I figured, no one can answer this little nugget.

Crepitus
01-18-2016, 03:54 PM
My question is would the increase in taxes be more or less than what health insurance costs right now for the average joe?

texan
01-18-2016, 03:59 PM
That was a question I had as well. But before I can get to that I need Sanders to tell me if Ocare is working or not. If it is then we don't need his plan. If it isn't why did he say it is? You are losing credibility on this little talking point Bernie.

Peter1469
01-18-2016, 04:34 PM
Under Bernie's plan there are no co-pays. That may cause a lot of people to go to the Doc for minor stuff or non-events, clogging the system.

kilgram
01-18-2016, 04:36 PM
Under Bernie's plan there are no co-pays. That may cause a lot of people to go to the Doc for minor stuff or non-events, clogging the system.
I live in a country with no re-pay(let's say the things correctly) and the system is not collapsed neither clogged.

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Peter1469
01-18-2016, 04:59 PM
I live in a country with no re-pay(let's say the things correctly) and the system is not collapsed neither clogged.

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You should see how people do things here....

Common Sense
01-18-2016, 05:28 PM
Under Bernie's plan there are no co-pays. That may cause a lot of people to go to the Doc for minor stuff or non-events, clogging the system.

...or people would go to the doctor before their problems become more costly and unmanageable.

Preventative medicine is cheaper as is catching things early.

Peter1469
01-18-2016, 09:21 PM
...or people would go to the doctor before their problems become more costly and unmanageable.

Preventative medicine is cheaper as is catching things early.There isn't much preventive medicine in the US. And I don't mean blood tests. I mean wellness programs.

Dr. Who
01-18-2016, 09:43 PM
I want you to think about that statement. Right now most middle class families get their insurance from their employer who pays about 80% of the cost. Sanders wants to shift that burden onto the individual. What he is not telling you is he has not considered that employers will drop coverage to help offset the higher taxes. Now each family will be responsible for their own care. Taxes in most country's are over 10% just for healthcare, Then you start taxing for everything else.

So people can't afford to live, and the only way to lower costs is to ration healthcare, which has happened in every country with socialized medical care. That is why Wealthy people from other nations and Government officials from other nations come to the USA for advanced care.
What you don't admit as a business owner, is that those benefits, that you complain about paying are actually part of the employees' compensation package, so at the end of the day, it's not coming out of your pocket, it's coming out of your employee's pocket. So if it comes out directly as a tax and you pay your employee what you would otherwise be paying him, but for those benefits, it's a wash. In fact, the employee may have more take-home pay, because he's not paying for a corporation's profit margin.

Tahuyaman
01-18-2016, 10:39 PM
Bernie wants to significantly raise income taxes to pay for a universal health care plan.

Gee, would have never figured that one?

Ransom
01-19-2016, 07:37 AM
I live in a country with no re-pay(let's say the things correctly) and the system is not collapsed neither clogged.

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No free lunches, who is paying?

Ransom
01-19-2016, 07:41 AM
What you don't admit as a business owner, is that those benefits, that you complain about paying are actually part of the employees' compensation package, so at the end of the day, it's not coming out of your pocket, it's coming out of your employee's pocket. So if it comes out directly as a tax and you pay your employee what you would otherwise be paying him, but for those benefits, it's a wash. In fact, the employee may have more take-home pay, because he's not paying for a corporation's profit margin.
Most insured here in the US are employed by small companies not huge corporations Who. Where Your profit margin theory doesn't make sense. Winging it again!!!!

Crepitus
01-19-2016, 08:49 AM
Under Bernie's plan there are no co-pays. That may cause a lot of people to go to the Doc for minor stuff or non-events, clogging the system.
That's just silly Pete, The average copay is only about $20.00, I don't think that's stopping most people who are insured from going in for minor problems.

Crepitus
01-19-2016, 08:52 AM
That was a question I had as well. But before I can get to that I need Sanders to tell me if Ocare is working or not. If it is then we don't need his plan. If it isn't why did he say it is? You are losing credibility on this little talking point Bernie.
Obamacare is working as well as it can with all the handicaps and compromises that were squashed into it.

Peter1469
01-19-2016, 04:16 PM
That's just silly Pete, The average copay is only about $20.00, I don't think that's stopping most people who are insured from going in for minor problems.It helps. That was the reason for co-pays in the first place.

Dr. Who
01-19-2016, 06:10 PM
Most insured here in the US are employed by small companies not huge corporations Who. Where Your profit margin theory doesn't make sense. Winging it again!!!!
It doesn't matter. Those benefits are considered part of compensation if they are being paid by an employer, whether they say so or not. It is still part of their cost of employing that individual.

Dr. Who
01-19-2016, 06:33 PM
Under Bernie's plan there are no co-pays. That may cause a lot of people to go to the Doc for minor stuff or non-events, clogging the system.
Clogged doctor's offices has a way of discouraging people from going in for trivia. Nurse practitioners could help take care of the nervous Nellies.

kilgram
01-19-2016, 07:24 PM
You should see how people do things here....
I don't believe people is so different. We are famous for taking the whole arm when something is free instead of the hand.

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