Who Needs These Bums, Anyway?

[Chris]

Throw the bums out!

Who Needs These Bums, Anyway? (http://reason.com/archives/2016/02/03/who-needs-these-bums-anyway)


...Americans are looking over the sorriest bunch of candidates to run for president since, maybe, the 1856 three-way contest pitting James Buchanan against Millard Fillmore and . . . um, that other guy.

On the Democratic side we have Hillary Clinton, who is generally regarded as a scheming, manipulative liar—a woman so self-serving and smarmily disingenuous she makes a used-car salesman look like Thomas Merton. And that’s just the opinion of her supporters. The undecideds think even less of her, and Republicans who hear her name have been known to spontaneously combust.

Then there’s Bernie Sanders, a man of the hard left, the kind of socialist who thinks every American should have gainful employment—but nobody should be an employer, because that’s not fair. He’s so authentic he doesn’t even pretend to like you, let alone running for president. He’s just doing it to get some things off his chest, such as how the rent is too damn high. No, wait, that was someone else. ATM fees! That’s it. Sanders thinks ATM fees are too high. Because of the millionaires and billionaires.

On the Republican side there’s Donald Trump, whom a lot of people seem to really like because he’s tough and brash and tells it like it is—even though he’s about as coherent as a Skid Row bum reciting Dylan Thomas on Quaaludes. Trump is the farce part of Santayana’s remark about history repeating itself. Or at least we hope so.

Trump’s chief competitor is Ted Cruz, who comes across in public as a third-rate televangelist. He must come off even worse in private, because he seems to be thoroughly detested by everyone who has ever had the slightest contact with him. The word most often associated with Cruz is backpfeigengesicht, a German term that, loosely translated, means “a face begging to be slapped.”

Republicans do have Marco Rubio—who appears to be smart, sane, and not evil, and many people think he will make a great president someday when he gets through puberty.

A bunch of other Republicans are running too, most of them polling around 1 percent or less. Don’t want to peak too early.

Then there’s Gary Johnson—a former Republican and two-time governor of New Mexico, an entrepreneur who grew his company from one employee to more than a thousand, the sort of guy who relaxes by climbing the world’s seven tallest mountains and running 100 miles through the Rockies in 30 hours. But now he’s running as a Libertarian, which means he would be lucky to pull even with Mike Huckabee, who has dropped out....


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[Cigar]

Bet you anything ... people will be Cheering for their Candidate in October :grin:

[Common]

I agree, the entire lineup on both sides suck imho. Im so disgusted that I doubt im going to vote for the first time in my life.

This election cycle since before the campaign started has been one of the worst I can remember.

SO FAR thats right SO FAR theres been 100million dollars spent in New Hampshire by the republicans on ADs.
Can you even imagine how much the super rich ON BOTH SIDES are going to spend on this election. Im sick of it.

[Chris]

Bet you anything ... people will be Cheering for their Candidate in October :grin:

Right, for whom they see as lesser of evils.

[Cigar]

Right, for whom they see as lesser of evils.

You can always throw your hat into the ring ... :laugh: and see how many Votes you get. :grin:

[Mac-7]

I agree, the entire lineup on both sides suck imho. Im so disgusted that I doubt im going to vote for the first time in my life.

This election cycle since before the campaign started has been one of the worst I can remember.

SO FAR thats right SO FAR theres been 100million dollars spent in New Hampshire by the republicans on ADs.
Can you even imagine how much the super rich ON BOTH SIDES are going to spend on this election. Im sick of it.

Chris is an anarchist who does not vote.

so I wont bother asking him.

But in your case what would your dream candidate look like if you could choose?

You?

[Chris]

Chris is an anarchist who does not vote.

so I wont bother asking him.

But in your case what would your dream candidate look like if you could choose?

You?

I'm not the topic, mac.

But, yes, since the current crop of bums deserve to be thrown out, that naturally leads to, what unicorn candidate can people dream up?

[Truth Detector]

Articles like this can only be written by morons who were born yesterday and have selective historic memory.

FDR was the father of the corrupt Socialism that grips Washington DC. What the author of this article completely misses is that as our society moves away from God and the self sufficient community that religion evokes, we see more and more citizens indoctrinated by the !iberal educational establishment placing thier faith in a BIG personality.....enter Barrack Hussein Obama.

Politics and political choices are no worse today than they were in yesteryear; in many ways much better. However, if your collective memories only go back to yesterday's headlines, then yes, it can appear much worse.

Lastly, nothing can be more ironic than non-voting anarchist whining about the state of our electoral process. Now THATS funny.

:biglaugh:


TBed by OP.

[Truth Detector]

I agree, the entire lineup on both sides suck imho. Im so disgusted that I doubt im going to vote for the first time in my life.

This election cycle since before the campaign started has been one of the worst I can remember.

SO FAR thats right SO FAR theres been 100million dollars spent in New Hampshire by the republicans on ADs.
Can you even imagine how much the super rich ON BOTH SIDES are going to spend on this election. Im sick of it.

Your memory is tainted; but you go ahead and stay home this cycle. The rest of us will pick for you.

Did you vote for Obama twice?

[Truth Detector]

I'm not the topic, mac.

But, yes, since the current crop of bums deserve to be thrown out, that naturally leads to, what unicorn candidate can people dream up?

How are you going to throw them out; you don't vote! :rofl:

Oh the irony.

[AeonPax]

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The word most often associated with Cruz is backpfeigengesicht, a German term that, loosely translated, means “a face begging to be slapped.”
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While I don't agree with the Sanders part, it was worth the read.

[Chris]

Everyone has money on their racehorse.

[Cigar]

Everyone has money on their racehorse.

Now everyone has Horse in the race ... :laugh:

Or a Horse Racing ... :grin:

[Tahuyaman]

Right, for whom they see as lesser of evils.

I for one, refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils. I don't see the virtue in voting for one unacceptable candidate in order to keep another unacceptable candidate out of office.

There's always an acceptable candidate on the ballot.

[Chris]

I for one, refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils. I don't see the virtue in voting for one unacceptable candidate in order to keep another unacceptable candidate out of office.

There's always an acceptable candidate on the ballot.

Hope you find one. If I could, I'd vote.

[Tahuyaman]

Hope you find one. If I could, I'd vote.

I believe sanity will win out and and for me, an acceptable candidate will be chosen.

[Mac-7]

I for one, refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils. I don't see the virtue in voting for one unacceptable candidate in order to keep another unacceptable candidate out of office.

There's always an acceptable candidate on the ballot.

An "acceptable" candidate who can win?

The people who threw away their vote on Gary Johnson in 2012 helped elect obama.

[Chris]

An "acceptable" candidate who can win?

The people who threw away their vote on Gary Johnson in 2012 helped elect obama.

So vote for the lesser of two evils?

[Mac-7]

So vote for the lesser of two evils?

Yes

[Crepitus]

I'm not the topic, mac.

But, yes, since the current crop of bums deserve to be thrown out, that naturally leads to, what unicorn candidate can people dream up?
If you aren't gonna bother to make a choice why do you care what the offerings are?

[Chris]

If you aren't gonna bother to make a choice why do you care what the offerings are?

I'm not making a choice because all that's offered are a bunch of bums.

[Crepitus]

I'm not making a choice because all that's offered are a bunch of bums.
Ok. I can go with that.

[donttread]

Throw the bums out!

Who Needs These Bums, Anyway? (http://reason.com/archives/2016/02/03/who-needs-these-bums-anyway)




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More Bushbama either way.

[Tahuyaman]

So vote for the lesser of two evils?


Yes

nope, can't do it.

[Chris]

A thought: Voting for the lesser of two evils is voting for mediocrity.

[Hal Jordan]

Yes

No. I refuse to support evil. If that means "throwing my vote away" on a third party candidate, so be it. Also, saying third party voters helped elect Obama is so much bullshit. First, think about how many people just wouldn't vote if there weren't third party candidates. I would have been in that group during the last Presidential election, as I can't vote for anyone who is going to contribute to the downfall of the country. Second, even if voters are drawn from those that may have voted Republican, do you really think voters weren't drawn from those that may have voted Democrat as well?

[Hal Jordan]

A thought: Voting for the lesser of two evils is voting for mediocrity.

No, voting for the lesser of two evils is voting for evil. I wish it was only voting for mediocrity.

[Tahuyaman]

A thought: Voting for the lesser of two evils is voting for mediocrity.


Its even less than that. It's selecting which type of failure you prefer.

[Chris]

Yea but it sounded so good. :P

OK, so voting for the lesser of evils is still voting for evil.

[Tahuyaman]

Do you want to be hanged with a nylon rope or a hemp rope?

[Common]

Chris is an anarchist who does not vote.

so I wont bother asking him.

But in your case what would your dream candidate look like if you could choose?

You?

One that REALLY stands up for the working people in this country. Obama screwed working america but Im starting to believe now that was part of his plan. His entire 8 yrs he did EXACTLY NOTHING for working people. On the contrary he SCREWED working people by Ramming the trade bill down everyones throat.

They wouild also have to be sincere about Stopping the rape of our border and stop all the fricken wars. They would have be sincere about putting a moratorium on ALL IMMIGRATION until we get back on our feet and get MORE AMERICANS working and making a decent wage.

Its absolutely disgusting the minimum wage is what it is

[Don]

I think this is where we are and where we have been for quite some time. The following is from one of Bill Clinton's heroes.:

"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can throw the rascals out at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies." - Professor Carrol Quigley

[Chris]

I think this is where we are and where we have been for quite some time. The following is from one of Bill Clinton's heroes.:

That's pretty much how I see the two parties now, hell, for the last couple, few decades.

[Don]

I agree. They have made it so any "outsiders" are neutralized by the party establishments. Its been that way for a very long time but they get better at it all the time. Neut Gingrich pulled off a doozy neutralizing the grass roots folks who actually believed R. Reagan could make a difference with the "Contract with America." In the future that will be taught in political sciences classes as case law for techniques of persuasion. Throw in making sure that only "players" control leadership positions in the house and senate and controlling the party purse strings to only support "electable" candidates. The only thing we can do is try to send representatives to office who are aware of this til we get enough to overthrow the system. I think we should concentrate our efforts on this much more than who is elected president. That gets all the attention which I think is their intent. Getting the right people in the house and senate is more important because when we do they can take back the power they have unconstitutionally ceded to the presidency.

[Chris]

I agree. They have made it so any "outsiders" are neutralized by the party establishments. Its been that way for a very long time but they get better at it all the time. Neut Gingrich pulled off a doozy neutralizing the grass roots folks who actually believed R. Reagan could make a difference with the "Contract with America." In the future that will be taught in political sciences classes as case law for techniques of persuasion. Throw in making sure that only "players" control leadership positions in the house and senate and controlling the party purse strings to only support "electable" candidates. The only thing we can do is try to send representatives to office who are aware of this til we get enough to overthrow the system. I think we should concentrate our efforts on this much more than who is elected president. That gets all the attention which I think is their intent. Getting the right people in the house and senate is more important because when we do they can take back the power they have unconstitutionally ceded to the presidency.

Yes, the problem is systemic. Power corrupts. Contract with America could have achieved more had Newt not sold out for power.

It's also the race to the center to vie for votes on a few key issues.

[suds00]

for the first time i'll vote for a third party candidate for pres.

[PolWatch]

Now I understand why Trump seems to be saying nothing...'coherent as a Skid Row bum reciting Dylan Thomas on Quaaludes'!!

I told Matty over a year ago I would vote for her before any of the possible candidates....I haven't seen anything to change my mind.

[Mac-7]

One that REALLY stands up for the working people in this country. Obama screwed working america but Im starting to believe now that was part of his plan. His entire 8 yrs he did EXACTLY NOTHING for working people. On the contrary he SCREWED working people by Ramming the trade bill down everyones throat.

They wouild also have to be sincere about Stopping the rape of our border and stop all the fricken wars. They would have be sincere about putting a moratorium on ALL IMMIGRATION until we get back on our feet and get MORE AMERICANS working and making a decent wage.

Its absolutely disgusting the minimum wage is what it is

I want a candidate who stands up for working people too.

and the best way to help them is bringing good blue collar jobs back to Ametica.

The American economy is the worlds largest but it is soft because we allowed our basic industries to be taken away by china and free trade.

Trump is acting pretty childish right now.

but he git his start pushing a strong illegal alien policy and better international trade deals

bernie is the other populist but hes a socialist which does not appeal to me