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suds00
02-11-2016, 03:51 PM
many don't know who he is.he's a war hero and former secretary of the navy.he is going to announce an independent run for president.good.the more choices ther are in November the better.i hope that he has enough money.the two major parties seem intent on self-destruction.

Cigar
02-11-2016, 04:32 PM
Unfortunately our System stacks the odds against a Independent

texan
02-11-2016, 04:39 PM
He is a good guy, but will have no money.

Green Arrow
02-11-2016, 04:51 PM
If the DNC forces Hillary down our throats and the GOP doesn't nominate Kasich, I'll vote Webb.

Cigar
02-11-2016, 04:55 PM
He is a good guy, but will have no money.

Money has proven to come from really small places during this election cycle ...

Maybe Citizens United will end just making the Rich a lot Poorer and getting nothing for their money :laugh:

Mac-7
02-11-2016, 05:01 PM
If the DNC forces Hillary down our throats and the GOP doesn't nominate Kasich, I'll vote Webb.

Why not vote bernie as a write-in?

Youre throwing your vote away anyhow if you dont vote for the dem or repub

Peter1469
02-11-2016, 05:03 PM
Why not vote bernie as a write-in?

Youre throwing your vote away anyhow if you dont vote for the dem or repub

That is how the last several elections cycles gave us crap.

Green Arrow
02-11-2016, 05:03 PM
Why not vote bernie as a write-in?

Youre throwing your vote away anyhow if you dont vote for the dem or repub

I've considered that, but if Webb really does run as an independent the vote would count stronger than a write-in, they rarely report the vote count for write-ins.

suds00
02-11-2016, 05:39 PM
mea culpa.he isn't going to run citing lack of money.i still think a well funded independent is needed.

MisterVeritis
02-11-2016, 05:40 PM
If the DNC forces Hillary down our throats and the GOP doesn't nominate Kasich, I'll vote Webb.
Do you see any scenario where Kasich is even a remote possibility?

Peter1469
02-11-2016, 05:45 PM
He is the best non-Trump GOP option.

Green Arrow
02-11-2016, 05:48 PM
Do you see any scenario where Kasich is even a remote possibility?

Not really. One can hope, though.

MisterVeritis
02-11-2016, 05:50 PM
Not really. One can hope, though.
Personally, I cannot stand Kasich. Fortunately, I believe he has already declined from his high water mark.

Bo-4
02-11-2016, 05:58 PM
many don't know who he is.he's a war hero and former secretary of the navy.he is going to announce an independent run for president.good.the more choices ther are in November the better.i hope that he has enough money.the two major parties seem intent on self-destruction.

Good luck with that Jim..

I like you, but there is NO cure for a stiff.

Welcome to your 1/2 of 1%!!

Mac-7
02-11-2016, 07:57 PM
That is how the last several elections cycles gave us crap.

I deeply apologize Peter.

conservative republicans are working hard to lay a clone of you at your feet

but we get a lot of pushback from the moderate rino establishment.

Maybe if a few fallen repubs would get back in the fight before nov 7 we might see better results

Peter1469
02-11-2016, 08:01 PM
I deeply apologize Peter.

conservative republicans are working hard to lay a clone of you at your feet

but we get a lot of pushback from the moderate rino establishment.

Maybe if a few fallen repubs would get back in the fight before nov 7 we might see better results

I will support a conservative. Not a liberal.

Mac-7
02-11-2016, 08:03 PM
I've considered that, but if Webb really does run as an independent the vote would count stronger than a write-in, they rarely report the vote count for write-ins.

Yes, by all means vote for Webb.

Mac-7
02-11-2016, 08:06 PM
I will support a conservative. Not a liberal.

Again, we are working hard to present you with a strong conservative.

Nothing is too good for our friends in the bleachers.

Peter1469
02-11-2016, 08:34 PM
Again, we are working hard to present you with a strong conservative.

Nothing is too good for our friends in the bleachers.

I am not in the bleachers. I am not part of your team.

maineman
02-11-2016, 09:22 PM
Jim Webb on the ballot will ALWAYS get my vote. He has literally been my hero since he taught me how to march during the summer of 1968.

zelmo1234
02-11-2016, 09:33 PM
If the DNC forces Hillary down our throats and the GOP doesn't nominate Kasich, I'll vote Webb.

No matter who the Democrats nominate, and if the Republicans Do nominate Kasich I will vote for Web.

I will take Cruz, Might consider Trump, but if Web is running I think that he might get my vote over Trump. But I would like to see the GOP establishment destroyed, and Trump is like an atom bomb for that.

zelmo1234
02-11-2016, 09:34 PM
He is the best non-Trump GOP option.

Oh! NO, no, no. The progressive is very strong in that one. Cant see a difference between him and the DNC

Cthulhu
02-11-2016, 09:36 PM
Why not vote bernie as a write-in?

Youre throwing your vote away anyhow if you dont vote for the dem or repub
Voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil.

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Mac-7
02-11-2016, 09:57 PM
I am not part of your team.

Of course not

your team is special.

And I'm just common folk

It seems we often have similar goals but very different ways to get there.

Mac-7
02-11-2016, 10:01 PM
Voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil.



It sure beats helping to inaugurate the worser of two evils.

which is what the independent liberation non-partisan contrarians do when they turn their back on the other option.

Green Arrow
02-11-2016, 10:09 PM
No matter who the Democrats nominate, and if the Republicans Do nominate Kasich I will vote for Web.

I will take Cruz, Might consider Trump, but if Web is running I think that he might get my vote over Trump. But I would like to see the GOP establishment destroyed, and Trump is like an atom bomb for that.

Why not Kasich? He's a great executive with a history of balancing out of control budgets.

Cthulhu
02-11-2016, 10:12 PM
It sure beats helping to inaugurate the worser of two evils.

which is what the indepedent liberation non-partisan contrarians do when they turn their back on the other option.
You are still not getting it.

You never will.

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Mac-7
02-11-2016, 10:14 PM
Why not Kasich? He's a great executive with a history of balancing out of control budgets.

He's a mushy middle, go with the flow, split the difference moderate who will just waddle along the downward slide that America has been on during the era of baby boomer presidents.

Mac-7
02-11-2016, 10:15 PM
You are still not getting it.

You never will.



Or, you don't get it.

birddog
02-11-2016, 10:56 PM
Why not Kasich? He's a great executive with a history of balancing out of control budgets.

Very true. He is not my first choice, but a vote for an Independent such as Webb is like a vote for the dimocrat! If someone leans conservative, they would be silly not to vote for Kasich.

MisterVeritis
02-11-2016, 11:00 PM
Very true. He is not my first choice, but a vote for an Independent such as Webb is like a vote for the dimocrat! If someone leans conservative, they would be silly not to vote for Kasich.
do not see anything conservative about Kasich. He greatly expanded Medicaid in Ohio. That will bankrupt the state in a few years after that SOB is out of office.

Peter1469
02-12-2016, 03:48 AM
Of course not

your team is special.

And I'm just common folk

It seems we often have similar goals but very different ways to get there.

Is seems so.

zelmo1234
02-12-2016, 06:59 AM
It sure beats helping to inaugurate the worser of two evils.

which is what the independent liberation non-partisan contrarians do when they turn their back on the other option.

It is also the very reason the country and constitution are in the position they are in today. Progressive from both parties have destroyed our nation and until we stop voting for them, nothing will change. Until we become insolvent. And if insolvency is the only way back to a rational country, then we should get there as fast as we can.

zelmo1234
02-12-2016, 07:02 AM
Why not Kasich? He's a great executive with a history of balancing out of control budgets.

He is a big government progressive, and I promise he will not balance one budget, He has a government program for everything and when the government is the problem, that is not going to help.

I can a Constitutional Conservative Cruz and Walker were my 2 choices, Trump makes the Cut because he destroys the establishment of the GOP, though he is far to the left of my positions. John would be OK if there was a strong conservative congress, but they are filled with progressive too. So if you are OK with the third term of GWB, and Obama, he might be your guy.

zelmo1234
02-12-2016, 07:04 AM
Very true. He is not my first choice, but a vote for an Independent such as Webb is like a vote for the dimocrat! If someone leans conservative, they would be silly not to vote for Kasich.

Webb will steal just as many votes from the Democrats and would be a far better president than Kasich.

suds00
02-12-2016, 07:36 AM
I like Kasich but he needs money

Ransom
02-12-2016, 07:58 AM
Webb will steal just as many votes from the Democrats and would be a far better president than Kasich.

Based on what, his voting record? For Christ's sake, Z, yer busting on Kasich for Ohio's expansion of Medicaid???!!! Look to Webb's record. He voted right with Obama. Omnibus spending bill, the recovery bill, Obamacare, unrestricted government spending, he voted for every penny of this debt. Can't agree with you here and challenge you outright. Look to Webb's record..... his voting record..... now come again and explain how he'd be better than Kasich.

I'm throwing out the challenge flag, Z.........you're wholesale wrong here. And I mean, not even f'n close.

Wow.

Mac-7
02-12-2016, 08:09 AM
Until we become insolvent. And if insolvency is the only way back to a rational country, then we should get there as fast as we can.

No.

If it all falls apart America will never recover.

The place to fight is in the republican primary to nominate the most conservative candidate we can get.

And while I wish we had found someone better than romney he was still better than obumer.

exotix
02-12-2016, 10:19 AM
Webb'll be cool.

Cthulhu
02-12-2016, 10:40 AM
Or, you don't get it.
It's normal to not understand the motives and actions of the demented.

Partisans keep thinking their side will solve the world's problems if only you vote their football team in office. It is pure insanity.

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exotix
02-12-2016, 10:49 AM
It's normal to not understand the motives and actions of the demented.

Partisans keep thinking their side will solve the world's problems if only you vote their football team in office. It is pure insanity.

Sent from my evil, baby seal-clubbing cellphone.You're talking about conservatism ... who'll even nominate and elect certifiable candidates as long as they have an (R) before it.

Truth Detector
02-12-2016, 11:14 AM
Unfortunately our System stacks the odds against a Independent

The "system" works the same way for the "Independent" candidate as it does for any party. The problem is nane recognition and acceptance by the voters. Right now, voters seem to prefer the two major parties over fringe elements.

Truth Detector
02-12-2016, 11:15 AM
If the DNC forces Hillary down our throats and the GOP doesn't nominate Kasich, I'll vote Webb.

Good for you; and it won't have an impact on the final outcome.

Truth Detector
02-12-2016, 11:17 AM
That is how the last several elections cycles gave us crap.

The thought that whacky third party candidates aren't crappy is amusing.

Truth Detector
02-12-2016, 11:18 AM
I will support a conservative. Not a liberal.

Kasich sounds like a liberal; you like him don't you?

Truth Detector
02-12-2016, 11:19 AM
Jim Webb on the ballot will ALWAYS get my vote. He has literally been my hero since he taught me how to march during the summer of 1968.

The number of high ranking people you know and have met requires the willing suspension of disbelief.

:rofl:

Truth Detector
02-12-2016, 11:22 AM
But I would like to see the GOP establishment destroyed, and Trump is like an atom bomb for that.

....so that the DNC establishment can retake the Congess and the White House and pass more budget busting tax and spend bills and send a couple more liberals to the Supreme Court.

Dumb.

Truth Detector
02-12-2016, 11:23 AM
Voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil.

Stupidly thinking the establishment is evil and voting in a way that would put Hillary in the White House and hand the Congress back to the Democrats is brain dead and clueless.

Truth Detector
02-12-2016, 11:26 AM
You are still not getting it.

You never will.

Actually Mac gets it and you still don't. There will never be an ideologically pure candidate that will fit your views of acceptable......EVER. Therefore, faced with the inevitable, intelligent people vote in a way to prevent the bigger dumbasses from getting into power.

Truth Detector
02-12-2016, 11:26 AM
He's a mushy middle, go with the flow, split the difference moderate who will just waddle along the downward slide that America has been on during the era of baby boomer presidents.

^Spot on.

Truth Detector
02-12-2016, 11:28 AM
You're talking about conservatism ... who'll even nominate and elect certifiable candidates as long as they have an (R) before it.

Yep; in loony liberal land, Hillary and Sanders aren't certifiably stupid.

zelmo1234
02-12-2016, 11:34 AM
Based on what, his voting record? For Christ's sake, Z, yer busting on Kasich for Ohio's expansion of Medicaid???!!! Look to Webb's record. He voted right with Obama. Omnibus spending bill, the recovery bill, Obamacare, unrestricted government spending, he voted for every penny of this debt. Can't agree with you here and challenge you outright. Look to Webb's record..... his voting record..... now come again and explain how he'd be better than Kasich.

I'm throwing out the challenge flag, Z.........you're wholesale wrong here. And I mean, not even f'n close.

Wow.

You have to remember that I did not vote for Romney either. Kasich would be soft on Immigration, Government spending, His court nominee's would suck.

What we need is a much smaller government, Kasich is a big government guy, I understand that compared to Clinton or Sanders he is better, but hitting a brick wall at 50 vs 70 is still hitting a brick wall.

If the GOP ends up with another establishment progressive, then they are not the part for me. And if Webb is running he will get my vote. Not because he can win, but he will get the most votes of any independent and the close they get to the main parties the more they are held accountable.

So if you want to vote for him, great, but he will not get my vote, most of them will not. I am done voting for the lesser of two evils, If the GOP wants to be a progressive big government party then they are not the party for me.

zelmo1234
02-12-2016, 11:36 AM
No.

If it all falls apart America will never recover.

The place to fight is in the republican primary to nominate the most conservative candidate we can get.

And while I wish we had found someone better than romney he was still better than obumer.

Really what do you think he would have done different?

If it falls apart, America will recover because he free ride will be over. It may even be another revolution, or split into 2 countries But the free stuff will be done.

zelmo1234
02-12-2016, 11:40 AM
....so that the DNC establishment can retake the Congess and the White House and pass more budget busting tax and spend bills and send a couple more liberals to the Supreme Court.

Dumb.

VS the GOP electing a progressive, using the progressive congress already in place. to pass budget busting budgets and nominate more justices like Roberts?

Can you tell me what the difference is, Both lead to the destruction of the constitution and the insolvency of the nation, does it really matter if it is `10 or 13 years form now?

zelmo1234
02-12-2016, 11:43 AM
Stupidly thinking the establishment is evil and voting in a way that would put Hillary in the White House and hand the Congress back to the Democrats is brain dead and clueless.

I was not aware that congress went the way of the Presidency, I thought they were elected independently? who knew?

Stupidity is electing another progressive and expecting different results. If you really want the conservative wing of the party to turn out, instead of staying home this year, you had better get out there and get people voting for Cruz. Because I know very few that did not vote for Romney, that are willing to vote for anyone other than Cruz.

The GOP has lied to conservatives for 10 years, and their chickens are coming home to roost.

zelmo1234
02-12-2016, 11:45 AM
Actually Mac gets it and you still don't. There will never be an ideologically pure candidate that will fit your views of acceptable......EVER. Therefore, faced with the inevitable, intelligent people vote in a way to prevent the bigger dumbasses from getting into power.

Correct, But there are big government and small government politicians and if they think that government is the answer, then they are really all the same.

Cthulhu
02-12-2016, 12:10 PM
Stupidly thinking the establishment is evil and voting in a way that would put Hillary in the White House and hand the Congress back to the Democrats is brain dead and clueless.
So the establishment is good then?

Truth Detector said so, so it must be true. :rolleyes:

News flash: popular vote doesn't elect presidents.

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Cthulhu
02-12-2016, 12:12 PM
You're talking about conservatism ... who'll even nominate and elect certifiable candidates as long as they have an (R) before it.
You're drinking the same kool aid.

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Cthulhu
02-12-2016, 12:27 PM
Actually Mac gets it and you still don't. There will never be an ideologically pure candidate that will fit your views of acceptable......EVER. Therefore, faced with the inevitable, intelligent people vote in a way to prevent the bigger dumbasses from getting into power.
Mac has opted to forfeit principles in the name of expediency and mediocrity.

There were a few that fit my bill just fine. But naturally those with Stockholm's Syndrome wouldn't have any of them.

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birddog
02-12-2016, 01:45 PM
Regarding the OP, Webb is the best of the democrat bunch, and I stated that nearly a year ago. He had no traction because he's not a total liberal, socialistic nincompoop like the others!

Green Arrow
02-12-2016, 02:23 PM
Good for you; and it won't have an impact on the final outcome.

*shrug* Oh well. At least my morals will be intact.

Cthulhu
02-12-2016, 02:26 PM
*shrug* Oh well. At least my morals will be intact.
Haters gonna hate.

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Cthulhu
02-12-2016, 02:53 PM
Ham/Tuna 2016!!

Taste the difference!

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Common
02-12-2016, 02:56 PM
Truth is 3rd party and out of the loop candidates dont have much of a shot. The big money dictates whos on top

MisterVeritis
02-12-2016, 03:09 PM
Truth is 3rd party and out of the loop candidates dont have much of a shot. The big money dictates whos on top
So Jeb Bush is leading?

gamewell45
02-12-2016, 03:37 PM
He is the best non-Trump GOP option.

I agree. Kasich, a moderate, comes across as honest and sensible. Of all the republican candidates, I honestly believe he is the most viable candidate and would give any democrat a run for the money.

Ransom
02-12-2016, 04:12 PM
You have to remember that I did not vote for Romney either. Kasich would be soft on Immigration, Government spending, His court nominee's would suck.

Soft in immigration because he wants to enforce current laws rather than build a wall? ANd his "court nominees would suck" is a reach on your part. An unknown.


What we need is a much smaller government, Kasich is a big government guy, I understand that compared to Clinton or Sanders he is better, but hitting a brick wall at 50 vs 70 is still hitting a brick wall.

Big government guy when he was in the House? Z?


If the GOP ends up with another establishment progressive, then they are not the part for me. And if Webb is running he will get my vote. Not because he can win, but he will get the most votes of any independent and the close they get to the main parties the more they are held accountable.

That correct, Webb actually IS big government and has proven it time and again, he was a f'n rubber stamp for all of this Obama bullsh!t.


So if you want to vote for him, great, but he will not get my vote, most of them will not. I am done voting for the lesser of two evils, If the GOP wants to be a progressive big government party then they are not the party for me.

Yeah...but I'm gonna actually look to his record and those of his competitors to make my decision, you're making sh!t up.

Ransom
02-12-2016, 04:13 PM
Regarding the OP, Webb is the best of the democrat bunch, and I stated that nearly a year ago. He had no traction because he's not a total liberal, socialistic nincompoop like the others!

Please link to his voting record....then recalculate.

Ransom
02-12-2016, 04:19 PM
https://www.opencongress.org/people/voting_history/412249_Jim_Webb/1

Someone show me the non liberal here.

someone show me court nominees who would suck

Abstained from his party a mere 4% of the time?

Obamacare. The Omnibus Spending Bill. The Recovery Act. Massive centralized government spending record.....I challenge ANYONE and EVERYONE......pretend I'm from f'n Missouri.....and show me.

That's what I f'n thought.

We're f'n done here.

Peter1469
02-12-2016, 04:32 PM
Truth is 3rd party and out of the loop candidates dont have much of a shot. The big money dictates whos on top

The system is broke. And the ones that will vote (D) or (R) regardless are part of the problem.

Peter1469
02-12-2016, 04:33 PM
https://www.opencongress.org/people/voting_history/412249_Jim_Webb/1

Someone show me the non liberal here.

someone show me court nominees who would suck

Abstained from his party a mere 4% of the time?

Obamacare. The Omnibus Spending Bill. The Recovery Act. Massive centralized government spending record.....I challenge ANYONE and EVERYONE......pretend I'm from f'n Missouri.....and show me.

That's what I f'n thought.

We're f'n done here.

bye

Mac-7
02-12-2016, 05:26 PM
*shrug* Oh well. At least my morals will be intact.

I guess you are excluding sexual practices.

birddog
02-13-2016, 01:57 AM
do not see anything conservative about Kasich. He greatly expanded Medicaid in Ohio. That will bankrupt the state in a few years after that SOB is out of office.

You probably don't see what you don't want to see! He would be more conservative than any dim when federal judgeships are appointed for example.

Kasich is not my first choice but common sense says that voting for an Independent is just plain silly! I hope Cruz runs the table and gets elected, but that's unlikely.

birddog
02-13-2016, 02:00 AM
Webb will steal just as many votes from the Democrats and would be a far better president than Kasich.

Perhaps, but the only way for a Third Party to win is for no party getting 270, and the House electing, and the Republicans would win. So, it's an exercise in futility for Webb to even run.

birddog
02-13-2016, 02:03 AM
Webb'll be cool.

If Webb had not been ostracized by the DNC, he could have been nominated. He's a good man, a Veteran, and would make a decent President.

Ransom
02-13-2016, 11:33 AM
bye

That lesson wasn't meant for you, Pete, I already had this conversation with you, your ear already tagged with this number. This idea that Jim Webb being moderate or not all about massive central government simply and matter of fact doesn't reflect in his voting record. His actual voting record spells harsh liberal. Massive government debt spending. Walking right with Barack Obama on EVERY single big government program while he served as Senator.

Anyone who wishes to show me where Webb isn't a liberal using his voting record is welcome to prove me wrong.

What I'll get is a Pete-like cricket chirp. We are quite done here.

Mac-7
02-13-2016, 12:10 PM
If Webb had not been ostracized by the DNC, he could have been nominated. He's a good man, a Veteran, and would make a decent President.

The orange hair democrats with pins in their tongue and a ring through their nose would not vote for webb

birddog
02-13-2016, 01:51 PM
The orange hair democrats with pins in their tongue and a ring through their nose would not vote for webb

True, and there are millions of them who fit that description or would like to.

Peter1469
02-13-2016, 04:02 PM
That lesson wasn't meant for you, Pete, I already had this conversation with you, your ear already tagged with this number. This idea that Jim Webb being moderate or not all about massive central government simply and matter of fact doesn't reflect in his voting record. His actual voting record spells harsh liberal. Massive government debt spending. Walking right with Barack Obama on EVERY single big government program while he served as Senator.

Anyone who wishes to show me where Webb isn't a liberal using his voting record is welcome to prove me wrong.

What I'll get is a Pete-like cricket chirp. We are quite done here.

Don't say foolish things and people won't laugh in your face.