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Matty
02-19-2016, 06:03 PM
And everyone knew he was speaking about Donald Trump. This pope is a hypocrite. He lives in a walled city. He should butt out of American politics. We don't need Marxism/ socialism in the US.


http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/16/marxifix-maximus-pope-francis-and-the-surrender-of-the-church/







The symbol of the Pope Francis era has to be the “Marxifix”—the crucifix in the shape of a hammer and sickle presented to the pope by Bolivian socialist Evo Morales.

It might actually have been an appropriate symbol—if it had been offered to commemorate all of the Christians martyred in the 20th century by Communist regimes. That’s something a previous pope would have understood well. But that’s not what it means. The Marxifix was created by radical Jesuit Luis Espinal as a symbol for Liberation Theology, an attempt to blend Marxism and Christianity—or rather, to take over the latter as an instrument of the former. The previous pope who understood the evil of Communism—John Paul II—made a significant effort to suppress Liberation Theology during the 1980s, particularly in its stronghold in Latin America. So the presentation of the Marxifix to Francis is a deliberately provocative act, aimed by a socialist at a fissure within the Church.

Matty
02-19-2016, 06:08 PM
and speaking of hypocrisy



http://www.politicususa.com/2016/02/19/pope-francis-christian-stay-american-politics.html



Of all the outrages that should anger all Americans, the idea of a foreigner inserting themselves into American politics should top the list; no matter what the issue is. Americans on the left were incensed when Israeli Benjamin Netanyahu butted in to America’s foreign policy, and they were angered when a Canadian corporation lied and tried to force an environmental hazard’s construction on American soil. However, there is very little outrage that another foreign leader is inserting himself into American politics and it is a mystery why.

Green Arrow
02-19-2016, 06:14 PM
and speaking of hypocrisy



http://www.politicususa.com/2016/02/19/pope-francis-christian-stay-american-politics.html



Of all the outrages that should anger all Americans, the idea of a foreigner inserting themselves into American politics should top the list; no matter what the issue is. Americans on the left were incensed when Israeli Benjamin Netanyahu butted in to America’s foreign policy, and they were angered when a Canadian corporation lied and tried to force an environmental hazard’s construction on American soil. However, there is very little outrage that another foreign leader is inserting himself into American politics and it is a mystery why.

By the same token, there was no outrage whatsoever (and in fact, there was outright applause) from the right when Netanyahu spoke before Congress and tried to influence U.S. policy, but the right is shitting their pants mightily because an American reporter asked the Pope a question and he answered it honestly.


TBed by OP.

MisterVeritis
02-19-2016, 06:17 PM
By the same token, there was no outrage whatsoever (and in fact, there was outright applause) from the right when Netanyahu spoke before Congress and tried to influence U.S. policy, but the right is $#@!ting their pants mightily because an American reporter asked the Pope a question and he answered it honestly.
Every government and head of state tries to influence US policy. I believe you know this. What they don't do is try to change American elections. What the IMP did was wrong. If he tries it again someone needs to bloody his nose.

Common Sense
02-19-2016, 06:18 PM
Not to offend my American cousins, but the US has had far more influence on the politics of other nations than the other way around.

Matty
02-19-2016, 06:23 PM
Not to offend my American cousins, but the US has had far more influence on the politics of other nations than the other way around.


The democrats were downright enraged when Netanyahu did it. Now you Canadians root for it! Mysterious! You even offered to come here and vote illegally.

Common Sense
02-19-2016, 06:24 PM
The democrats were downright enraged when Netanyahu did it. Now you Canadians root for it! Mysterious! You even offered to come here and vote illegally.

I was joking about that.

Matty
02-19-2016, 06:29 PM
I was joking about that.
I will take that.

So, now. Name on American religious figure who has tried to influence Canadian politics!

Matty
02-19-2016, 06:34 PM
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This idea of a “dialogue” between Christianity and Marxism represents a form of “syncretism,” an old process by which two religions are merged together, often an old faith folded into a new one, in order to make them more compatible and lessen the conflict for believers caught between two creeds. In the Middle Ages, for example, the Catholic Church employed syncretism to ease the conversion of barbarians by incorporating their customs and legends, but within a new Christian context. (A fair bit of a traditional European Christmas, for example, is borrowed from Germanic winter festivals.) But it was clear which creed was coming out on top and that Christianity was the new, rising faith.

MisterVeritis
02-19-2016, 06:35 PM
Not to offend my American cousins, but the US has had far more influence on the politics of other nations than the other way around.
Do you find that troubling?

Matty
02-19-2016, 06:40 PM
Do you find that troubling?


Well lol we have deposed some despots. I can see where that might trouble the left as I think they are worshipful of despots!

del
02-19-2016, 06:42 PM
I will take that.

So, now. Name on American religious figure who has tried to influence Canadian politics!

the pope's canadian?

i need to get out more

del
02-19-2016, 06:43 PM
Well lol we have deposed some despots. I can see where that might trouble the left as I think they are worshipful of despots!

we've installed far more than we've disposed of, matty

Matty
02-19-2016, 06:43 PM
the pope's canadian?

i need to get out more


Yes! You do. Cause I did not say that. Do you need a notepad?

Matty
02-19-2016, 06:45 PM
we've installed far more than we've disposed of, matty

Matty
02-19-2016, 06:45 PM
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Common Sense
02-19-2016, 06:52 PM
Do you find that troubling?

Yes.

Matty
02-19-2016, 07:09 PM
Wonder why the popey thinks it's okay for Americans to work their assets off so his illegal aliens can take the money? I would rather spend the money on a big fat wall.

sachem
02-19-2016, 07:11 PM
Jesus Christ was a Marxist before there was a Marx.

del
02-19-2016, 07:12 PM
Jesus Christ was a Marxist before there was a Marx.

oh, now you've done it

incoming

sachem
02-19-2016, 07:15 PM
oh, now you've done it

incomingTime for supper.

MisterVeritis
02-19-2016, 07:15 PM
Yes.
Why?

MisterVeritis
02-19-2016, 07:18 PM
Jesus Christ was a Marxist before there was a Marx.
Really? Can you point me to the chapters and verses where Jesus demands that the government take wealth from one to give to another? Has god become a thief?

This is one reason I easily gave up Christianity. The best man at my wedding was devout Christian who believes the government can be an instrument of good if it will only take as much wealth as possible from some of us to give to others of us. How can one be a Christian and yet desire that your neighbor be plundered?

Matty
02-19-2016, 07:25 PM
Jesus Christ was a Marxist before there was a Marx.



Nope! Not true.

Common Sense
02-19-2016, 07:32 PM
Really? Can you point me to the chapters and verses where Jesus demands that the government take wealth from one to give to another? Has god become a thief?

This is one reason I easily gave up Christianity. The best man at my wedding was devout Christian who believes the government can be an instrument of good if it will only take as much wealth as possible from some of us to give to others of us. How can one be a Christian and yet desire that your neighbor be plundered?

"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"

Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."

Matty
02-19-2016, 07:37 PM
He was talking about paying your taxes. He suggested charity, he did not force it. He also didn't say Rome should tell the US what to do.

MisterVeritis
02-19-2016, 07:39 PM
"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"

Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."
Can you explain how either one of these makes Jesus a Marxist? (I shall withhold my quiet laughter for a time).

Common Sense
02-19-2016, 07:46 PM
Can you explain how either one of these makes Jesus a Marxist? (I shall withhold my quiet laughter for a time).

Did I say he was a Marxist?

MisterVeritis
02-19-2016, 08:10 PM
Did I say he was a Marxist?
That was the nature of the thread of messages you entered into. Did you lose your way? Is there something I can do to help you find your way back?

Peter1469
02-19-2016, 08:19 PM
Jesus Christ was a Marxist before there was a Marx.

Absolutely incorrect. Jesus didn't come to root for a political party. He came to save your immortal soul. He gave shit less about who you voted for.

The Jesus - Marxist meme is pure faggotry.

Common Sense
02-19-2016, 08:24 PM
That was the nature of the thread of messages you entered into. Did you lose your way? Is there something I can do to help you find your way back?

I simply responded to a question you posed.

Keep up.

del
02-19-2016, 08:38 PM
faggotry lol

MisterVeritis
02-19-2016, 08:42 PM
I simply responded to a question you posed.

Keep up.
Then you were lost and never knew it. How pitiful. But thanks. Now that I am aware you are occasionally completely clueless to all about you I can adjust.

sachem
02-19-2016, 08:50 PM
Nope! Not true.True. My priest told me so.

zelmo1234
02-19-2016, 09:23 PM
And everyone knew he was speaking about Donald Trump. This pope is a hypocrite. He lives in a walled city. He should butt out of American politics. We don't need Marxism/ socialism in the US.


http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/16/marxifix-maximus-pope-francis-and-the-surrender-of-the-church/







The symbol of the Pope Francis era has to be the “Marxifix”—the crucifix in the shape of a hammer and sickle presented to the pope by Bolivian socialist Evo Morales.

It might actually have been an appropriate symbol—if it had been offered to commemorate all of the Christians martyred in the 20th century by Communist regimes. That’s something a previous pope would have understood well. But that’s not what it means. The Marxifix was created by radical Jesuit Luis Espinal as a symbol for Liberation Theology, an attempt to blend Marxism and Christianity—or rather, to take over the latter as an instrument of the former. The previous pope who understood the evil of Communism—John Paul II—made a significant effort to suppress Liberation Theology during the 1980s, particularly in its stronghold in Latin America. So the presentation of the Marxifix to Francis is a deliberately provocative act, aimed by a socialist at a fissure within the Church.


I am not for censorship of anyone's opinions. Now the Pope may be a coward, as he went back on his statement.

What I don't like is the fact that we try and restrict any political advice from the pulpit. That to me is part of Free speech.

And this Pope is likely a Marxist in his political belief, that that is protected for our citizens too? Now the Pope is not a citizen, so the constitution does not apply. but you get my point.

Captain Obvious
02-19-2016, 09:31 PM
Could be worse, he could be a capitalist.

Peter1469
02-19-2016, 09:46 PM
Could be worse, he could be a capitalist.

You still have not ruled on my request in the death poll thread: I picked the current Pope to die. I think that bold pick deserves more than the measly points assigned for old people. What say you?

Captain Obvious
02-19-2016, 09:47 PM
You still have not ruled on my request in the death poll thread: I picked the current Pope to die. I think that bold pick deserves more than the measly points assigned for old people. What say you?

I haven't visited that thread in a while.

You're cool, keep him as a pick.

Dr. Who
02-19-2016, 11:32 PM
Really? Can you point me to the chapters and verses where Jesus demands that the government take wealth from one to give to another? Has god become a thief?

This is one reason I easily gave up Christianity. The best man at my wedding was devout Christian who believes the government can be an instrument of good if it will only take as much wealth as possible from some of us to give to others of us. How can one be a Christian and yet desire that your neighbor be plundered?
Christianity extolls sharing with others. It does not advocate taking it by force. Nevertheless, liberalistic attitudes are derived from Christian ideals.

Peter1469
02-20-2016, 08:00 AM
Christianity extolls sharing with others. It does not advocate taking it by force. Nevertheless, liberalistic attitudes are derived from Christian ideals.

Then the Church ought to hate government.

AeonPax
02-20-2016, 08:11 AM
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The Pope is a Marxist as defined by the US conservatives and religious right. That's a lot more accurate. - Pope Francis is not a Marxist, but make no mistake: He will challenge the world’s leading capitalist power (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/07/14/pope-francis-is-not-a-marxist-but-make-no-mistake-he-will-challenge-the-worlds-leading-capitalist-power/) - This needs to be done.

Peter1469
02-20-2016, 08:18 AM
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The Pope is a Marxist as defined by the US conservatives and religious right. That's a lot more accurate. - Pope Francis is not a Marxist, but make no mistake: He will challenge the world’s leading capitalist power (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/07/14/pope-francis-is-not-a-marxist-but-make-no-mistake-he-will-challenge-the-worlds-leading-capitalist-power/) - This needs to be done.

Why? Capitalism has taken hundreds of millions out of poverty. No other economic system came close. The Pope is a naive fool.

AeonPax
02-20-2016, 08:32 AM
Why? Capitalism has taken hundreds of millions out of poverty. No other economic system came close. The Pope is a naive fool.
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The real naive and stupid fools who are those who refuse to see that capitalism has many evil points to it. Capitalism is NOT a moral axiom, it is a tool that is being abused worldwide to the detriment of billions of humans suffering from the war and poverty with unregulated capitalism brings. The Pope is right on point and the worst offender is the US.

Captain Obvious
02-20-2016, 08:45 AM
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The real naive and stupid fools who are those who refuse to see that capitalism has many evil points to it. Capitalism is NOT a moral axiom, it is a tool that is being abused worldwide to the detriment of billions of humans suffering from the war and poverty with unregulated capitalism brings. The Pope is right on point and the worst offender is the US.

Agreed. RW partisan hack cement heads have been institutionalized to believe that capitalism and democracy are pure holy and anything else, especially socialist concepts are pure evil. This is the only level of simplisticy they understand, they're not capable of considering a broad range of concepts and the reality of them. It has to be black and white, otherwise their heads explode.

AeonPax
02-20-2016, 08:57 AM
Agreed. RW partisan hack cement heads have been institutionalized to believe that capitalism and democracy are pure holy and anything else, especially socialist concepts are pure evil. This is the only level of simplisticy they understand, they're not capable of considering a broad range of concepts and the reality of them. It has to be black and white, otherwise their heads explode.
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Agreed. These people talk about capitalism as if it's some kind of religious panacea for the world. Tools can be bastardized. Even religion itself, Christianity as practiced by the so-called religious right, has been utterly perverted. Poor fools.

Matty
02-20-2016, 09:06 AM
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The Pope is a Marxist as defined by the US conservatives and religious right. That's a lot more accurate. - Pope Francis is not a Marxist, but make no mistake: He will challenge the world’s leading capitalist power (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/07/14/pope-francis-is-not-a-marxist-but-make-no-mistake-he-will-challenge-the-worlds-leading-capitalist-power/) - This needs to be done.


He is a Marxist. And it is not his business to remove capitalism from the US.

Matty
02-20-2016, 09:07 AM
Agreed. RW partisan hack cement heads have been institutionalized to believe that capitalism and democracy are pure holy and anything else, especially socialist concepts are pure evil. This is the only level of simplisticy they understand, they're not capable of considering a broad range of concepts and the reality of them. It has to be black and white, otherwise their heads explode.


Explain yourself.

Matty
02-20-2016, 09:11 AM
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The real naive and stupid fools who are those who refuse to see that capitalism has many evil points to it. Capitalism is NOT a moral axiom, it is a tool that is being abused worldwide to the detriment of billions of humans suffering from the war and poverty with unregulated capitalism brings. The Pope is right on point and the worst offender is the US.


List those points.

Truth Detector
02-20-2016, 09:13 AM
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The real naive and stupid fools who are those who refuse to see that capitalism has many evil points to it. Capitalism is NOT a moral axiom, it is a tool that is being abused worldwide to the detriment of billions of humans suffering from the war and poverty with unregulated capitalism brings. The Pope is right on point and the worst offender is the US.


Agreed. RW partisan hack cement heads have been institutionalized to believe that capitalism and democracy are pure holy and anything else, especially socialist concepts are pure evil. This is the only level of simplisticy they understand, they're not capable of considering a broad range of concepts and the reality of them. It has to be black and white, otherwise their heads explode.


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Agreed. These people talk about capitalism as if it's some kind of religious panacea for the world. Tools can be $#@!ized. Even religion itself, Christianity as practiced by the so-called religious right, has been utterly perverted. Poor fools.

Translation:

http://31.media.tumblr.com/2783a169ad3455782cb374cd59c9117b/tumblr_mm0szoeTzX1s4r51mo1_500.gif

donttread
02-20-2016, 09:28 AM
and speaking of hypocrisy



http://www.politicususa.com/2016/02/19/pope-francis-christian-stay-american-politics.html



Of all the outrages that should anger all Americans, the idea of a foreigner inserting themselves into American politics should top the list; no matter what the issue is. Americans on the left were incensed when Israeli Benjamin Netanyahu butted in to America’s foreign policy, and they were angered when a Canadian corporation lied and tried to force an environmental hazard’s construction on American soil. However, there is very little outrage that another foreign leader is inserting himself into American politics and it is a mystery why.


"Of all the outrages that should anger Americans the idea of a foreigner inserting themselves into American politics should top the list"
You don't suppose the multiple countries who's internal politics we screw with on a regular basis might feel the same, do you? Oh no, wait a minute , they "welcome us as liberators ", I forgot.

PolWatch
02-20-2016, 09:34 AM
Climb down off the outrage:

'It’s worth reading the question and response in full (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/transcript-pope-francis-donald-trump-immigration-37038905). The pope’s ambiguity comes down to the fact that “Christian” in English is both an adjective and a noun. Was the pope saying Trump is not a Christian or Trump’s behavior is not Christian?The latter, as an adjective, is a stern rebuke. The former, as a noun, challenges the validity of Trump’s claim to the faith. It distantly echoes excommunication. Even from a pope, the appearance of condemning someone as not (a) Christian is striking. Questioning that person’s understanding of Christian teaching, on the other hand, though perhaps still open to debate, is hardly incendiary. It’s difficult to make the case, for instance, that getting married three times is “in the Gospel.”

No matter the interpretation, a stern message from the pope about a presidential candidate is undoubtedly big news. But in a rush to make that news maximally inflammatory, media mishandled the pope’s statement in five key ways.'

complete statement at link:

http://www.cjr.org/hit_or_miss/how_one_letter_changed_the_story_in_pope_v_trump.p hp

MisterVeritis
02-20-2016, 12:15 PM
Christianity extolls sharing with others. It does not advocate taking it by force. Nevertheless, liberalistic attitudes are derived from Christian ideals.
I do not believe that. Is it a Christian ideal that the government plunder your neighbors for your benefit?

MisterVeritis
02-20-2016, 12:17 PM
"Of all the outrages that should anger Americans the idea of a foreigner inserting themselves into American politics should top the list"
You don't suppose the multiple countries who's internal politics we screw with on a regular basis might feel the same, do you? Oh no, wait a minute , they "welcome us as liberators ", I forgot.
Has the Pope chosen to wage war on America? If so let's have at it. How many battalions does the pope have?

Common Sense
02-20-2016, 12:21 PM
Then you were lost and never knew it. How pitiful. But thanks. Now that I am aware you are occasionally completely clueless to all about you I can adjust.

I answered your question. Instead of responding like an adult, you have chosen to spout off like a child.

Good luck with that.

Matty
02-20-2016, 12:21 PM
Climb down off the outrage:

'It’s worth reading the question and response in full (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/transcript-pope-francis-donald-trump-immigration-37038905). The pope’s ambiguity comes down to the fact that “Christian” in English is both an adjective and a noun. Was the pope saying Trump is not a Christian or Trump’s behavior is not Christian?The latter, as an adjective, is a stern rebuke. The former, as a noun, challenges the validity of Trump’s claim to the faith. It distantly echoes excommunication. Even from a pope, the appearance of condemning someone as not (a) Christian is striking. Questioning that person’s understanding of Christian teaching, on the other hand, though perhaps still open to debate, is hardly incendiary. It’s difficult to make the case, for instance, that getting married three times is “in the Gospel.”

No matter the interpretation, a stern message from the pope about a presidential candidate is undoubtedly big news. But in a rush to make that news maximally inflammatory, media mishandled the pope’s statement in five key ways.'

complete statement at link:

http://www.cjr.org/hit_or_miss/how_one_letter_changed_the_story_in_pope_v_trump.p hp


Just think. If the Pope had kept his opinions out of the American Presidential race then the press would have been denied opportunity. It is not the pope's mission to judge whether or not a person is a Christian or even if his behavior is Christian. His job is to bring people to Christianity.

MisterVeritis
02-20-2016, 12:25 PM
I answered your question. Instead of responding like an adult, you have chosen to spout off like a child.

Good luck with that.
You demonstrated that you wandered into an adult conversation, missed the points, made a random statement, and now wonder what the fuss is about. If you are unable to follow a conversation don't waste my time by getting into it.

Dr. Who
02-20-2016, 12:27 PM
I do not believe that. Is it a Christian ideal that the government plunder your neighbors for your benefit?
The ideology has Christian roots, which translates to liberal philosophy of a more egalitarian society. That is then translated to the political application of the philosophy. It not really a one to one translation.

MisterVeritis
02-20-2016, 12:51 PM
The ideology has Christian roots, which translates to liberal philosophy of a more egalitarian society. That is then translated to the political application of the philosophy. It not really a one to one translation.
Marxism does not have Christian roots, although both have believers with visions of utopia dancing in their heads.

Matty
02-20-2016, 12:52 PM
Black liberation theology (Obama's church preached it) was rooted in South American Marxism.

PolWatch
02-20-2016, 01:12 PM
I seem to remember some folks complaining about black churches preaching about politics while supporting the likes of Jerry Falwell & others of his ilk preaching their political beliefs....go figure

Crepitus
02-20-2016, 01:24 PM
By the same token, there was no outrage whatsoever (and in fact, there was outright applause) from the right when Netanyahu spoke before Congress and tried to influence U.S. policy, but the right is shitting their pants mightily because an American reporter asked the Pope a question and he answered it honestly.


TBed by OP.
Shame on you GA! You know honesty is frowned on by the right! How dare you post something like that!

Matty
02-20-2016, 01:34 PM
Shame on you GA! You know honesty is frowned on by the right! How dare you post something like that!


Yes, but remember how outraged the left was when Netanyahu did that? Outraged! Outraged! Now how's that for honesty? The left actually shit the sheets.

domer76
02-20-2016, 01:38 PM
Yes, but remember how outraged the left was when Netanyahu did that? Outraged! Outraged! Now how's that for honesty? The left actually shit the sheets.

Netanyahu was a head of state NOT invited by another head of state to speak before Congress. A little different than answering a simple question.

MisterVeritis
02-20-2016, 01:45 PM
Netanyahu was a head of state NOT invited by another head of state to speak before Congress. A little different than answering a simple question.
I cannot recall, was Netanyahu, trying to influence the outcome of an election by claiming that one of the Jews running was not a Jew?

Matty
02-20-2016, 01:47 PM
I cannot recall, was Netanyahu, trying to influence the outcome of an election by claiming that one of the Jews running was not a Jew?


No, he was advocating for Israel.

MisterVeritis
02-20-2016, 01:50 PM
No, he was advocating for Israel.
And shouldn't the head of state of an important ally advocate for policies beneficial to his nation and ours?

One can usually tell who the anti-Semites are. These days they do not even try to hide it.

Matty
02-20-2016, 01:50 PM
Netanyahu was a head of state NOT invited by another head of state to speak before Congress. A little different than answering a simple question.


He was not invited to a state dinner at the WH. He was invited to speak before congress by the congress. Perfectly legitimate and the left shit the sheets, boycotted and generally acted like assholes. So don't come in here and preach hypocrisy to the right.

Matty
02-20-2016, 01:52 PM
And shouldn't the head of state of an important ally advocate for policies beneficial to his nation and ours?

One can usually tell who the anti-Semites are. These days they do not even try to hide it.


Yes, he should. And, unlike the pope's comments about Trump, Netanyahu's comments were invited and welcomed by all except the bed shitting left.

Tahuyaman
02-20-2016, 01:54 PM
Every government and head of state tries to influence US policy. I believe you know this. What they don't do is try to change American elections. What the IMP did was wrong. If he tries it again someone needs to bloody his nose.

Yes, heads of state try to influence other nations leaders as a matter of economic policy, or issues involving national security and such. The Pope is not a head of state in the traditional sense. He is the leader of a religious faith and should have no more or no less influence than other religious leaders.

There is no doubt that the current Pope leans the the extreme left. He's been traveling the world extolling the virtues of socialism and condemning capitalism.

He's even raising the eyebrows of many Catholics by altering Catholic doctrine on his own.

MisterVeritis
02-20-2016, 01:57 PM
Yes, heads of state try to influence other nations leaders as a matter of economic policy, or issues involving national security and such. The Pope is not a head of state in the traditional sense. He is the leader of a religious faith and should have no more or no less influence than other religious leaders.

There is no doubt that the current Pope leans the the extreme left. He's been traveling the world extolling the virtues of socialism and condemning capitalism.

He's even raising the eyebrows of many Catholics by altering Catholic doctrine on his own.
I agree the pope is a POS.

I also believe he was caught trying to sway an American election. That is probably a federal offense.

domer76
02-20-2016, 01:59 PM
He was not invited to a state dinner at the WH. He was invited to speak before congress by the congress. Perfectly legitimate and the left shit the sheets, boycotted and generally acted like assholes. So don't come in here and preach hypocrisy to the right.

Since you missed the point, I'll reiterate. He was a head of state NOT invited by a head of state. What the fuck is so difficult for you to not understand that?

Matty
02-20-2016, 02:03 PM
Since you missed the point, I'll reiterate. He was a head of state NOT invited by a head of state. What the fuck is so difficult for you to not understand that?


No, he in fact was invited by congress to speak to congress. You got that yet?

domer76
02-20-2016, 02:07 PM
No, he in fact was invited by congress to speak to congress. You got that yet?

No shit, Einstein. In your little pea brain, if it's possible, try to reverse the circumstances.

TBed by OP.

WELL, HERE IT IS AGAIN FOLKS. AN EXAMPLE OF A POST STARTED BY A PUSSY AND NOT ABLE TO STAND UP TO THE PRESSURE OF BEING CALLED ON THEIR PUSSINESS. The tPF function is a fucking joke precipitated by pussies. Can't take the heat? Then STFU

Tahuyaman
02-20-2016, 02:09 PM
I don't haven't seen any evidence which suggests he was trying to illegally tamper with an election.

At at any rate, his words have no impact upon me in any way. I give him no more or no less credibility than I do any other ultra left winger.

Matty
02-20-2016, 02:17 PM
I don't haven't seen any evidence which suggests he was trying to illegally tamper with an election.

At at any rate, his words have no impact upon me in any way. I give him no more or no less credibility than I do any other ultra left winger.


Agreed. I don't think he consciously sought to sway the voters but it is not his judgement to make as to wether Trump is a Christian or even if the nation has a right to build a wall. Not his call.

sachem
02-20-2016, 03:19 PM
Absolutely incorrect. Jesus didn't come to root for a political party. He came to save your immortal soul. He gave shit less about who you voted for.

The Jesus - Marxist meme is pure faggotry.My post has nothing to do with a political party.

Dangermouse
02-20-2016, 03:21 PM
It's difficult to fathom the depth of insanity required to actually believe the leader of possibly the most conservative organisation on the planet is a Marxist.

Matty
02-20-2016, 03:26 PM
It's difficult to fathom the depth of insanity required to actually believe the leader of possibly the most conservative organisation on the planet is a Marxist.Why would you say a thing like that?

Mister D
02-20-2016, 03:27 PM
It's difficult to fathom the depth of insanity required to actually believe the leader of possibly the most conservative organisation on the planet is a Marxist.

Anti-Catholic whack jobs are still fairly common in this country.

Matty
02-20-2016, 03:34 PM
Look what the dude holds in his hand. The symbol of Marxism. It has nothing to do with anti Catholicism.

Mister D
02-20-2016, 03:35 PM
Look what the dude holds in his hand. The symbol of Marxism. It has nothing to do with anti Catholicism.

The Pope is a communist, Matty. Do you expect him to wear an American flag lapel?

MisterVeritis
02-20-2016, 03:39 PM
It's difficult to fathom the depth of insanity required to actually believe the leader of possibly the most conservative organisation on the planet is a Marxist.
After one buries one's head in the sand it is difficult to see what is obvious to others.

MisterVeritis
02-20-2016, 03:41 PM
Anti-Catholic whack jobs are still fairly common in this country.
We prefer to think of ourselves as we are, anti-Marxist, anti-Authoritarian-Statist, anti-socialist, anti-National socialist, anti-fascist, anti-Left libertarian. Anti-whatever-you-call-yourselves-these-days.

Matty
02-20-2016, 03:42 PM
The Pope is a communist, Matty. Do you expect him to wear an American flag lapel?


No! I just expect him to keep his mouth shut about our wall.

Ransom
02-20-2016, 04:23 PM
It's difficult to fathom the depth of insanity required to actually believe the leader of possibly the most conservative organisation on the planet is a Marxist.

For the love of God, Mouse. The Catholic Church is Marxist. And Capitalist. And socialist. All about income redistribution. Ruled by men. Only. A champion of human rights, including those souls of the unborn. All about universal health care but run hospitals that are second to none. All about open borders, the Catholic Church a huge Democrat voting bloc since JFK.

Those ABC's of American politics are tough :rolleyes:

Ransom
02-20-2016, 04:28 PM
No! I just expect him to keep his mouth shut about our wall.

I expect him to speak out, he's the Pope. Entitled to opinion, even though his carries tremendous weight. He has not shied away from geopolitics and good for him.... he's the Pope. We separate church and state concerning government policy is how we ask forgiveness. The Pope I wish would speak to abortion, planned parenthood, and Muslim extremism as well. He's.... the Pope. A great man.

Dangermouse
02-20-2016, 04:41 PM
We prefer to think of ourselves as we are, anti-Marxist, anti-Authoritarian-Statist, anti-socialist, anti-National socialist, anti-fascist, anti-Left libertarian. Anti-whatever-you-call-yourselves-these-days.

It's a sad thing to define yourself as what you're against. The ultimate in reactionary.

Matty
02-20-2016, 04:49 PM
I expect him to speak out, he's the Pope. Entitled to opinion, even though his carries tremendous weight. He has not shied away from geopolitics and good for him.... he's the Pope. We separate church and state concerning government policy is how we ask forgiveness. The Pope I wish would speak to abortion, planned parenthood, and Muslim extremism as well. He's.... the Pope. A great man.
A title does not make you a great man. If it did Obama would be a great man.

Tahuyaman
02-20-2016, 04:52 PM
It's difficult to fathom the depth of insanity required to actually believe the leader of possibly the most conservative organisation on the planet is a Marxist.

If you are implying that the current Pope is in any way a political conservative, you are completely delusional.

Tahuyaman
02-20-2016, 04:55 PM
It's a sad thing to define yourself as what you're against. The ultimate in reactionary.

its working for Bernie Sanders so far.

AeonPax
02-20-2016, 05:15 PM
He is a Marxist. And it is not his business to remove capitalism from the US.
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To each, their own (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=to+each+his+own).

AeonPax
02-20-2016, 05:21 PM
List those points.
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I think not.


TBed by OP.

Matty
02-20-2016, 05:23 PM
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I think not.


That's obvious.

Mister D
02-20-2016, 05:43 PM
If you are implying that the current Pope is in any way a political conservative, you are completely delusional.

It's not often that Dangermouse and myself agree but the RCC is easily the conservative institution on the planet.

Mister D
02-20-2016, 05:44 PM
Oh, BW, Marxism is dead. Just an FYI.

Crepitus
02-20-2016, 06:00 PM
Yes, but remember how outraged the left was when Netanyahu did that? Outraged! Outraged! Now how's that for honesty? The left actually shit the sheets.
The two issues are not similar.

Matty
02-20-2016, 06:04 PM
Oh, BW, Marxism is dead. Just an FYI.


And you say this why?

Mister D
02-20-2016, 06:06 PM
And you say this why?

Because it's simply not a living force in the world. Marxism and communism share a crypt in the graveyard of ideas with logical positivism.

Captain Obvious
02-20-2016, 08:40 PM
Explain yourself.

My pleasure, it's all right here:

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/58896-The-Pope-Is-A-Marxist?p=1452142&viewfull=1#post1452142

Captain Obvious
02-20-2016, 08:40 PM
lol AeonPax got tPF DP'd

Captain Obvious
02-20-2016, 08:42 PM
Here's the reality, RW radio has all these lemmings believing that teh O'bama is a socialist. That's the standard these fools believe, so they extend that concept to the Pope.

Frances being a socialist is debatable but let's say he is by definition, however you define socialistic.

So what?

Mister D
02-20-2016, 11:15 PM
Agreed. RW partisan hack cement heads have been institutionalized to believe that capitalism and democracy are pure holy and anything else, especially socialist concepts are pure evil. This is the only level of simplisticy they understand, they're not capable of considering a broad range of concepts and the reality of them. It has to be black and white, otherwise their heads explode.

Sadly, yes.

Matty
02-20-2016, 11:19 PM
Socialism dosen't work. Deal with it or move to Cuber

William
02-21-2016, 01:08 AM
Socialism dosen't work. Deal with it or move to Cuber

Where's 'Cuber'? :huh:

Peter1469
02-21-2016, 05:21 AM
No shit, Einstein. In your little pea brain, if it's possible, try to reverse the circumstances.

TBed by OP.

WELL, HERE IT IS AGAIN FOLKS. AN EXAMPLE OF A POST STARTED BY A PUSSY AND NOT ABLE TO STAND UP TO THE PRESSURE OF BEING CALLED ON THEIR PUSSINESS. The tPF function is a fucking joke precipitated by pussies. Can't take the heat? Then STFU

Re-read the announcement on the tPF designation. Trolls, clowns, and asshats have a fast track to TB land.

Tahuyaman
02-21-2016, 11:51 AM
It's not often that Dangermouse and myself agree but the RCC is easily the conservative institution on the planet.

So, are you claiming the current Pope is a conservative?

silvereyes
02-21-2016, 07:10 PM
Just think. If the Pope had kept his opinions out of the American Presidential race then the press would have been denied opportunity. It is not the pope's mission to judge whether or not a person is a Christian or even if his behavior is Christian. His job is to bring people to Christianity.

Dear Lord. Whuuut? So, now hes not even entitled to an opinion?

silvereyes
02-21-2016, 07:16 PM
He was not invited to a state dinner at the WH. He was invited to speak before congress by the congress. Perfectly legitimate and the left shit the sheets, boycotted and generally acted like assholes. So don't come in here and preach hypocrisy to the right.
Why not? Thats EXACTLY what yall are doing. Wait. Perhaps we should call upon a REAL pants-shitting-pro-bigmouth like Ted Shitpants...yall seem to adore him and his advice.

Thread banned by OP.

Matty
02-21-2016, 07:23 PM
So, are you claiming the current Pope is a conservative?




I hope not. Because he isn't he is far left Marxist.

William
02-21-2016, 09:56 PM
I hope not. Because he isn't he is far left Marxist.

With respect, you don't know that - neither you nor I have any idea of the current Pontiff's political views. I don't think he is a Marxist of any kind (that would make him an atheist in some ways,) but I agree that he doesn't sound like a 'right-wing conservative'. But I think we can agree that he is the head of a very conservative, very old-fashioned, organisation, run along medieval lines, and perhaps he is trying to change that.

The ideals of Christianity and Socialism (the philosophy, not the political system) do not seem that far apart to me, so I guess a committed Christian can sound a bit socialist to anyone scared of Socialism (the system). But whether we like it or not, caring for the welfare of your fellow human beings is a part of both Christianity and Socialism (as it is part of most national constitutions).

I think Pope Francis' comments about Capitalism are based upon his concerns for people who are abused and exploited by uncontrolled capitalism - like what happens in many parts of South America, Africa, and Asia - and to a lesser degree, in our own societies by mega-corporations who influence government with their money. I think these are valid concerns, fitting for 'a man of God' - don't you? :smiley:

Cigar
02-21-2016, 10:02 PM
And everyone knew he was speaking about Donald Trump. This pope is a hypocrite. He lives in a walled city. He should butt out of American politics. We don't need Marxism/ socialism in the US.


http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/16/marxifix-maximus-pope-francis-and-the-surrender-of-the-church/







The symbol of the Pope Francis era has to be the “Marxifix”—the crucifix in the shape of a hammer and sickle presented to the pope by Bolivian socialist Evo Morales.

It might actually have been an appropriate symbol—if it had been offered to commemorate all of the Christians martyred in the 20th century by Communist regimes. That’s something a previous pope would have understood well. But that’s not what it means. The Marxifix was created by radical Jesuit Luis Espinal as a symbol for Liberation Theology, an attempt to blend Marxism and Christianity—or rather, to take over the latter as an instrument of the former. The previous pope who understood the evil of Communism—John Paul II—made a significant effort to suppress Liberation Theology during the 1980s, particularly in its stronghold in Latin America. So the presentation of the Marxifix to Francis is a deliberately provocative act, aimed by a socialist at a fissure within the Church.


Sorry, not even the Pope is going to tell you what you want to hear ...

Ransom
02-22-2016, 06:53 AM
Oh, BW, Marxism is dead. Just an FYI.

Unless of course you're speaking to some talk forum's moderation. Not this one mind you, not permitted to speak openly about moderation and thus I never do. Just sayin......I've seen some..... other..... political opinion forums....... where moderation Marxism lives. Thrives in fact. Other forums, NOT this one.

Not talking about tpf here.

Other.......ones. Other....tpf's.

iolo
02-22-2016, 07:15 AM
The Pope Marxist? Even under McCarthy-type brainwashing that would be quite a statement. What on earth can 'Marxist' mean here? Have any Americans been allowed to read Marx, I wonder. It seems unlikely. :)