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Green Arrow
02-20-2016, 07:32 PM
The Nevada Democratic Caucuses Are Scheduled for Shabbat, Which Could Disenfranchise Many Jewish Voters (http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/197594/the-nevada-democratic-caucuses-are-scheduled-for-shabbat-which-could-disenfranchise-many-jewish-voters)


On Tuesday night, Democratic presidential contender Bernie Sanders made history with a landslide victory over Hillary Clinton in the New Hampshire Democratic primary. His 60%-38% win, aside from being one of the most lopsided in the state’s history, made Sanders the first American Jew to win a presidential primary. And yet, in just 10 days, in the very next state to vote, the Democratic primary process is slated to disenfranchise many of Sanders’ fellow Jews.

The Nevada Democratic caucuses are scheduled for Saturday, February 20, at 11 a.m.—that is, on Shabbat. Because Nevada, like Iowa before it, selects its presidential nominees through the caucus system—which requires voters to show up in person, argue for their candidates, and then caucus for them—early absentee voting is not an option. As such, Sabbath-observant Jewish Democrats who cannot make it to the caucuses will have no say in what is shaping up to be a historic primary for both America and American Jews.


Nevada is home to over 76,000 Jews, many of them religiously observant, to the extent that several Vegas casinos and hotels feature full-service kosher kitchens. These Jews will be able to participate in the Republican caucuses, which are scheduled on Tuesday, February 23, but not in the Democratic ones—unless, of course, one or both of the Democratic presidential campaigns decide to protest.


Sanders himself is famously secular, but he and Hillary Clinton can surely recognize the message of inclusiveness that would be sent by rescheduling the caucuses, even if just to Saturday evening, after the Sabbath ends. (The recent Iowa caucuses took place on a Monday evening.) This would not require offsetting the entire schedule, either. According to the Las Vegas Review-Journal, in 2012, when the Republican presidential primary fell out on Shabbat, local party leaders ensured that there was a post-Sabbath caucus for those who could not attend earlier due to religious reasons.


Surely both Democratic candidates today, as well as the Democratic National Committee—headed by Florida’s Debbie Wasserman Schultz—recognize the unfortunate message that would be sent by maintaining the current schedule, when viable alternatives exist.

Yep, the DNC is hosting the first Jewish candidate for President in U.S. history, yet they schedule the Nevada caucus during Shabbat when observant Jewish voters, who represent 76,000 members of the Nevada population, cannot participate.


Surely both Democratic candidates today, as well as the Democratic National Committee—headed by Florida’s Debbie Wasserman Schultz—recognize the unfortunate message that would be sent by maintaining the current schedule, when viable alternatives exist.

Obviously the DNC has no such consideration. But please, by all means, tell me all about how Republicans are the only ones trying to disenfranchise minority voters with rules like voter I.D. :rollseyes:

TrueBlue
02-20-2016, 07:51 PM
The Nevada Democratic Caucuses Are Scheduled for Shabbat, Which Could Disenfranchise Many Jewish Voters (http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/197594/the-nevada-democratic-caucuses-are-scheduled-for-shabbat-which-could-disenfranchise-many-jewish-voters)



Yep, the DNC is hosting the first Jewish candidate for President in U.S. history, yet they schedule the Nevada caucus during Shabbat when observant Jewish voters, who represent 76,000 members of the Nevada population, cannot participate.



Obviously the DNC has no such consideration. But please, by all means, tell me all about how Republicans are the only ones trying to disenfranchise minority voters with rules like voter I.D. :rollseyes:
Of course. And this is only one of a multitude of other reports reporting the same thing.

Voter ID laws: the Republican ruse to disenfranchise 5 million Americans
By Alex Slater

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/10/voter-id-laws-republican-ruse-disenfranchise

Matty
02-20-2016, 08:03 PM
How are the Republicans responsible for what the DNC does TrueBlue! What is the matter with you?

hanger4
02-20-2016, 08:04 PM
Of course. And this is only one of a multitude of other reports reporting the same thing.

Voter ID laws: the Republican ruse to disenfranchise 5 million Americans
By Alex Slater
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/10/voter-id-laws-republican-ruse-disenfranchise

Your deflection is noted.

Green Arrow
02-20-2016, 08:06 PM
Of course. And this is only one of a multitude of other reports reporting the same thing.

Voter ID laws: the Republican ruse to disenfranchise 5 million Americans
By Alex Slater

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/10/voter-id-laws-republican-ruse-disenfranchise

Is it wrong for the DNC to disenfranchise minority voters? Yes or no.

Crepitus
02-20-2016, 08:07 PM
Well that's a load of crap right there. More disenfranchised voters in the name of their chosen nominee. Must have been afraid the Jews would be enough to out Bernie over the top and embarrass them again.

Green Arrow
02-20-2016, 08:10 PM
Well that's a load of crap right there. More disenfranchised voters in the name of their chosen nominee. Must have been afraid the Jews would be enough to out Bernie over the top and embarrass them again.

Considering Hillary only won by about 5,000 votes and there are 76,000 Jews in Nevada, I think that's entirely plausible.

Crepitus
02-20-2016, 08:12 PM
Considering Hillary only won by about 5,000 votes and there are 76,000 Jews in Nevada, I think that's entirely plausible.

Didn't realise the margins was that small. Since it was I would tend to think the headline would have been "landslide for Bernie" had the DNC not cheated again.

Green Arrow
02-20-2016, 08:27 PM
Didn't realise the margins was that small. Since it was I would tend to think the headline would have been "landslide for Bernie" had the DNC not cheated again.

They are so desperate to coronate Hillary, I don't think they realize that they are killing themselves. If it's even PLAUSIBLE that they cheated Bernie, Bernie's massive base of support isn't going to turn out for Hillary in November, which means she loses.

Crepitus
02-20-2016, 08:29 PM
They are so desperate to coronate Hillary, I don't think they realize that they are killing themselves. If it's even PLAUSIBLE that they cheated Bernie, Bernie's massive base of support isn't going to turn out for Hillary in November, which means she loses.
Yup. Beginning to look pretty hopeless for a Democratic presidency.

Green Arrow
02-20-2016, 08:31 PM
Yup. Beginning to look pretty hopeless for a Democratic presidency.

Which, to be honest, I'm okay with if a Democratic presidency means Republican-lite. And it does where Hillary is concerned.

JVV
02-20-2016, 08:41 PM
Sickening.

If Democrats would stop being hypocritical and actually live up to their name, they could start a movement that it would take Republicans decades to recover from.

But that's too much too ask. Funnel money to the corporations. Don't worry about disenfranchising people -- just say you care about it when convenient to bash Republicans.


And then act surprised that you lost 1000 national and state-level legislative seats to Republicans in the past six years. Or better yet, blame it on Republicans being racist so that you don't have to examine your own decay.



Democrats, if you would be democratic, more people would support you. You have good ideas on paper. Too bad you only believe in them on paper and don't practice them as a party.



Disgusting.

TrueBlue
02-20-2016, 08:45 PM
Is it wrong for the DNC to disenfranchise minority voters? Yes or no.
Only they didn't do that in actuality. The bitter right is resentful of the Clinton win which she won fair and square and now has their undies in a twist trying to spin it any way they can to try to make it seem as if somehow the caucus was pre-planned to coincide with the Jewish event. It wasn't pre-planned that way! And again I have to say to you and others, with the Nevada Jews realizing this was going to be problematic for them they could have simply contacted the DNC to change the date or something else but obviously they didn't. Therefore, if they didn't care enough to do that so that they could get in there and vote they just didn't care to caucus. So why do you care if they don't? It's that simple to understand. End of story.

Crepitus
02-20-2016, 08:48 PM
Only they didn't do that in actuality. The bitter right is resentful of the Clinton win which she won fair and square and now has their undies in a twist trying to spin it any way they can to try to make it seem as if somehow the caucus was pre-planned to coincide with the Jewish event. It wasn't pre-planned that way! And again I have to say to you and others, with the Nevada Jews realizing this was going to be problematic for them they could have simply contacted the DNC to change the date or something else but obviously they didn't. Therefore, if they didn't care enough to do that so that they could get in there and vote they just didn't care to caucus. So why do you care if they didn't? It's that simple to understand. End of story.


I'm a registered democrat.

They cheated to give her an undeserved win.

They did contact the DNC BTW. No one returned their call.

TrueBlue
02-20-2016, 08:50 PM
I'm a registered democrat.

They cheated to give her an undeserved win.

They did contact the DNC BTW. No one returned their call.
Then, Registered Democrat, I suggest you contact the DNC and place your complaint with them.

Crepitus
02-20-2016, 08:52 PM
Then, Registered Democrat, I suggest you contact the DNC and place your complaint with them.

Good idea. I doubt they are gonna care though. They've decided who they wanna nominate and don't give a hoot in hell what the people think.

iustitia
02-20-2016, 08:53 PM
TrueBlue is a monster.

TrueBlue
02-20-2016, 08:54 PM
What some people are actually feeling is The BURN in the recent Clinton win. Too bad they're such poor losers still in denial. Quite sad actually.

Tricia
02-20-2016, 08:59 PM
TrueBlue is a monster.

It's has been TBed at the request of the OP.

Crepitus
02-20-2016, 09:01 PM
What some people are actually feeling is The BURN in the recent Clinton win. Too bad they're such poor losers still in denial. Quite sad actually.

Except for the fact that Bernie probably would have one if they hadn't cheated in hellery's favor.

Matty
02-20-2016, 09:10 PM
Jesus! Calling someone a monster? Really? I am sorry that happened to you TrueBlue!i

Captain Obvious
02-20-2016, 09:17 PM
Jesus! Calling someone a monster? Really? I am sorry that happened to you TrueBlue!i

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Green Arrow
02-20-2016, 09:29 PM
Only they didn't do that in actuality. The bitter right is resentful of the Clinton win which she won fair and square and now has their undies in a twist trying to spin it any way they can to try to make it seem as if somehow the caucus was pre-planned to coincide with the Jewish event. It wasn't pre-planned that way! And again I have to say to you and others, with the Nevada Jews realizing this was going to be problematic for them they could have simply contacted the DNC to change the date or something else but obviously they didn't. Therefore, if they didn't care enough to do that so that they could get in there and vote they just didn't care to caucus. So why do you care if they don't? It's that simple to understand. End of story.


They did in actuality. They scheduled a caucus during a time when 76,000 citizens of the state couldn't vote for the first candidate in history to represent their minority group. How do you know Jews didn't contact the DNC to complain? Why was that even necessary, when the Chairwoman of the DNC is herself Jewish?

Why do I care? Because I'm Jewish and I think it's disgusting that the DNC didn't have the foresight to schedule this just a few hours later in the evening so my people could have a say in whether or not the first Jewish candidate for president gets to become the nominee of a major party. Particularly when the Chairwoman of the DNC is Jewish herself and should know better. She's clearly putting politics over our faith and it's disgusting.

JVV
02-20-2016, 09:33 PM
Only they didn't do that in actuality. The bitter right is resentful of the Clinton win which she won fair and square and now has their undies in a twist trying to spin it any way they can to try to make it seem as if somehow the caucus was pre-planned to coincide with the Jewish event. It wasn't pre-planned that way! And again I have to say to you and others, with the Nevada Jews realizing this was going to be problematic for them they could have simply contacted the DNC to change the date or something else but obviously they didn't. Therefore, if they didn't care enough to do that so that they could get in there and vote they just didn't care to caucus. So why do you care if they don't? It's that simple to understand. End of story.



"the Jewish event"?

Do you have any idea what the Sabbath is?

It has been around for thousands of years. Democrats knew when it was when they picked the Sabbath for their caucus.

Green Arrow
02-20-2016, 09:36 PM
"the Jewish event"?

Do you have any idea what the Sabbath is?

It has been around for thousands of years. Democrats knew when it was when they picked the Sabbath for their caucus.

Especially considering the Chairwoman of the DNC is Jewish herself.

donttread
02-21-2016, 10:12 AM
The Nevada Democratic Caucuses Are Scheduled for Shabbat, Which Could Disenfranchise Many Jewish Voters (http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/197594/the-nevada-democratic-caucuses-are-scheduled-for-shabbat-which-could-disenfranchise-many-jewish-voters)



Yep, the DNC is hosting the first Jewish candidate for President in U.S. history, yet they schedule the Nevada caucus during Shabbat when observant Jewish voters, who represent 76,000 members of the Nevada population, cannot participate.



Obviously the DNC has no such consideration. But please, by all means, tell me all about how Republicans are the only ones trying to disenfranchise minority voters with rules like voter I.D. :rollseyes:

Gee you don't suppose the DNC would like to hold this event on a day when some of Bernie's supporters might not show up do you? Anything to nominate the anointed one. Will of the people be damned!

Truth Detector
02-21-2016, 10:27 AM
The Nevada Democratic Caucuses Are Scheduled for Shabbat, Which Could Disenfranchise Many Jewish Voters (http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/197594/the-nevada-democratic-caucuses-are-scheduled-for-shabbat-which-could-disenfranchise-many-jewish-voters)

Yep, the DNC is hosting the first Jewish candidate for President in U.S. history, yet they schedule the Nevada caucus during Shabbat when observant Jewish voters, who represent 76,000 members of the Nevada population, cannot participate.

Obviously the DNC has no such consideration. But please, by all means, tell me all about how Republicans are the only ones trying to disenfranchise minority voters with rules like voter I.D. :rollseyes:

I am amused that anyone still thinks the Democratic race is actually a race. It's a show put on to give the APPEARANCE of a race.

After six lucky coin tosses decided Iowa, and the fact that after smearing Hillary in New Hampshire Hillary still got more delegates, anyone woth even the tiniest of brains can see this is nothing more than the coronation of the media's chosen one.

Bernie never had a chance, never could have had a chance and never will have chance for the Democratic nomination and isn't even a registered Democrat making this farce even more ridiculous.

Truth Detector
02-21-2016, 10:34 AM
And then act surprised that you lost 1000 national and state-level legislative seats to Republicans in the past six years. Or better yet, blame it on Republicans being racist so that you don't have to examine your own decay.

This is a testimony to the massive failure Obama has turned out to be. Obama is still pretending he's winning.


You have good ideas on paper. Too bad you only believe in them on paper and don't practice them as a party.

Democrats don't have any good ideas; they have emotional utopian dreams that are bereft from reality and require pandering to low information dunces who think they are entitled to other people's money and who empower the dishonest politicians who pander to them.

The ONLY ideas Democrats have ever had are institutionilized racism, taxing and spending.


Disgusting.

You got that right.

Truth Detector
02-21-2016, 10:35 AM
Then, Registered Democrat, I suggest you contact the DNC and place your complaint with them.

They'll do that in the voting booth when they write in Sanders or choose third party candidates. ;)

Truth Detector
02-21-2016, 10:37 AM
This thread brings up a question; how long will it take Sanders to figure out the OBVIOUS and finally end his doomed from the start campaign?

donttread
02-21-2016, 10:41 AM
This is a testimony to the massive failure Obama has turned out to be. Obama is still pretending he's winning.



Democrats don't have any good ideas; they have emotional utopian dreams that are bereft from reality and require pandering to low information dunces who think they are entitled to other people's money and who empower the dishonest politicians who pander to them.

The ONLY ideas Democrats have ever had are institutionilized racism, taxing and spending.



You got that right.

Or as Lewis Black summed it up: "You have a party of BAD ideas and a party of NO ideas"

hanger4
02-21-2016, 10:59 AM
This thread brings up a question; how long will it take Sanders to figure out the OBVIOUS and finally end his doomed from the start campaign?

He needs to start hitting back at the DNC in his speeches.

He needs to start hitting HC about her email problems in his speeches.

As long as he decides to play Mr. Nice Guy he loses to the Dem machine.

Truth Detector
02-21-2016, 11:52 AM
He needs to start hitting back at the DNC in he his speeches.

He needs to start hitting HC about her email problems in his speeches.

As long as he decides to play Mr. Nice Guy he loses to the Dem machine.

He's not "playing" nice; he actually agrees with the DNC platform. I'm willing to bet he knows his candidacy was just for show.

Green Arrow
02-21-2016, 02:33 PM
Samders isn't going to drop out, nor should he. He's on a path to get a sizeable portion of the delegates, which gives him a lot of influence over the party even if he loses the nomination.

Common
02-21-2016, 03:45 PM
Samders isn't going to drop out, nor should he. He's on a path to get a sizeable portion of the delegates, which gives him a lot of influence over the party even if he loses the nomination.

Hes not going to win its all stacked for Hillary, it might turn out to be a bigger mistake than they realize.

GA years ago no one realized or knew alot of what they know today. It was never reported and there was no way to know it if you werent privvy to it. The internet and blogs have forced the media to have to bring out more of it or lose all their credibility.

PNW
02-21-2016, 06:06 PM
"Nevada is home to over 76,000 Jews, many of them religiously observant, to the extent that several Vegas casinos and hotels feature full-service kosher kitchens."

LOL! I have to laugh at that statement. The casinos do not cater to the local population, they really couldn't care less about them, but they DO care and cater to those that they call "guests" and if some are Jewish, then they will certainly have a kosher kitchen.

Green Arrow
02-21-2016, 06:19 PM
"Nevada is home to over 76,000 Jews, many of them religiously observant, to the extent that several Vegas casinos and hotels feature full-service kosher kitchens."

LOL! I have to laugh at that statement. The casinos do not cater to the local population, they really couldn't care less about them, but they DO care and cater to those that they call "guests" and if some are Jewish, then they will certainly have a kosher kitchen.

The local population go to Vegas and patronize the casinos. So if they cater to guests and the local population are guests...

hanger4
02-21-2016, 06:21 PM
"Nevada is home to over 76,000 Jews, many of them religiously observant, to the extent that several Vegas casinos and hotels feature full-service kosher kitchens."

LOL! I have to laugh at that statement. The casinos do not cater to the local population, they really couldn't care less about them, but they DO care and cater to those that they call "guests" and if some are Jewish, then they will certainly have a kosher kitchen.

That being said PNW do you believe Jews and 7th Day Adventists were disenfranchised in the Nevada caucus ??

PNW
02-21-2016, 06:36 PM
That being said @PNW (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1896) do you believe Jews and 7th Day Adventists were disenfranchised in the Nevada caucus ??

Not really no, maybe a few but lets face it, not that many Jews adhere to strict Jewish practices anymore. About like catholics that don't use birth control and
the so called 'christians' that only show up in church at christmas and easter and claim they are 'religious'.

PNW
02-21-2016, 06:37 PM
The local population go to Vegas and patronize the casinos. So if they cater to guests and the local population are guests...

Yes but the implication was that the casinos had kosher kitchens FOR the 76K jews and clearly they do not.

Fagan_the_Pagan
02-21-2016, 06:47 PM
Debbie Wasserman Schultz should be fired. The DNC is conducting all sorts of dishonest politics, and letting Big Business back in.

HoneyBadger
02-21-2016, 07:28 PM
Of course. And this is only one of a multitude of other reports reporting the same thing.

Voter ID laws: the Republican ruse to disenfranchise 5 million Americans
By Alex Slater

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/10/voter-id-laws-republican-ruse-disenfranchise

Requiring people who are eligible to vote to prove that eligibility disenfranchises no one. The democrat tactic of allowing illegal votes however, does cancel out the votes of legal citizens which is far more egregious.

PNW
02-21-2016, 07:31 PM
Debbie Wasserman Schultz should be fired. The DNC is conducting all sorts of dishonest politics, and letting Big Business back in.

Do you really think the DNC is this micromanaged that she picked the date and time on purpose?

hanger4
02-21-2016, 07:34 PM
Not really no, maybe a few but lets face it, not that many Jews adhere to strict Jewish practices anymore. About like catholics that don't use birth control and
the so called 'christians' that only show up in church at christmas and easter and claim they are 'religious'.

Wow. So disenfranchising some voters is OK because there's not very many of them ??

Where do you draw the line 1%, 5% where ??

PNW
02-21-2016, 07:35 PM
Requiring people who are eligible to vote to prove that eligibility disenfranchises no one.
If it were that simple, you would be correct. However we all know it isn't that simple. All the red states that wee-wee'd their pants over a made up rash of "voter fraud" created a seriers of hurdles and road blocks AIMED at disenfranchising certian groups of voters. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.


The democrat tactic of allowing illegal votes however, does cancel out the votes of legal citizens which is far more egregious.
What "tactic"? You have anything at all to back that up?

PNW
02-21-2016, 07:39 PM
Wow. So disenfranchising some voters is OK because there's not very many of them ??

Where do you draw the line 1%, 5% where ??

You asked my opinion, you got it.
Don't like it?
Tough.

You know it's true and that is the only reason you don't like it.
I could ask you the same question about the idiotic voter ID laws, what is your threshold? 1%, 5% or is it as much as it takes to get the GOP a 'win'?

Keep in mind we are talking about a caucus here so if a few people choose not to go for religious reasons, they are really not being "disenfranchised". However you coveted voter ID laws are targeting groups for every election.

hanger4
02-21-2016, 07:40 PM
Do you really think the DNC is this micromanaged that she picked the date and time on purpose?

Personally I don't believe it was on purpose although I wouldn't be shocked if it proved true. But it's not like they were clueless. I think insensitive is the best description.

Captain Obvious
02-21-2016, 07:40 PM
As long as they don't schedule a caucus on Steak and Blowjob day I'm cool.

If they do, I'm looting a fucking liquor store.

PNW
02-21-2016, 07:43 PM
Personally I don't believe it was on purpose although I wouldn't be shocked if it proved true. But it's not like they were clueless. I think insensitive is the best description.

Its a caucus, they are held on weekends in most states. Is it nefarious when the RNC does it?

hanger4
02-21-2016, 07:46 PM
You asked my opinion, you got it.
Don't like it?
Tough.

You know it's true and that is the only reason you don't like it.
I could ask you the same question about the idiotic voter ID laws, what is your threshold? 1%, 5% or is it as much as it takes to get the GOP a 'win'?

Keep in mind we are talking about a caucus here so if a few people choose not to go for religious reasons, they are really not being "disenfranchised". However you coveted voter ID laws are targeting groups for every election.

Voter ID laws disenfranchise no one and you have every right to attempt to prove otherwise.

As far as choosing not to go for religious reasons, you seem to be applying a religious test to qualify to vote.

hanger4
02-21-2016, 07:50 PM
As long as they don't schedule a caucus on Steak and Blowjob day I'm cool.

If they do, I'm looting a fucking liquor store.

Sounds reasonable .... wait .... you don't live in Ferguson do you ??

Captain Obvious
02-21-2016, 07:52 PM
Sounds reasonable .... wait .... you don't live in Ferguson do you ??

About 2 hours from there.

If I go that route I'll pick a higher class neighborhood.

hanger4
02-21-2016, 07:55 PM
Its a caucus, they are held on weekends in most states. Is it nefarious when the RNC does it?

Did they ?? or was there a caucus after sundown ??

Green Arrow
02-21-2016, 07:58 PM
Its a caucus, they are held on weekends in most states. Is it nefarious when the RNC does it?

The Nevada GOP caucus is on Tuesday. The Alaska GOP caucus? A Tuesday. Now, the Kentucky GOP caucus is on a Saturday, which is a problem, but then Jews also aren't as much a GOP constituency as they are a Democratic constituency. Considering that there are more than twice as many Jewish liberals as there are Jewish conservatives. Seven in ten Jews identify with the Democratic Party.

Green Arrow
02-21-2016, 07:59 PM
Yes but the implication was that the casinos had kosher kitchens FOR the 76K jews and clearly they do not.

Well, they certainly don't have kosher kitchens for atheists :rollseyes:

Crepitus
02-21-2016, 07:59 PM
Did they ?? or was there a caucus after sundown ??
The republicans made accommodation by having the poles stay open past sundown or whatever the time limit is for Jews.

Green Arrow
02-21-2016, 07:59 PM
The republicans made accommodation by having the poles stay open past sundown or whatever the time limit is for Jews.

You were right, it's sundown.

Chris
02-21-2016, 08:04 PM
iustitia has been unTBed. It was a mistake.

Green Arrow
02-21-2016, 08:06 PM
iustitia has been unTBed. It was a mistake.
iustitia sorry. I didn't even notice the mistake until like ten minutes ago.

hanger4
02-21-2016, 08:08 PM
The Nevada GOP caucus is on Tuesday. The Alaska GOP caucus? A Tuesday. Now, the Kentucky GOP caucus is on a Saturday, which is a problem, but then Jews also aren't as much a GOP constituency as they are a Democratic constituency. Considering that there are more than twice as many Jewish liberals as there are Jewish conservatives. Seven in ten Jews identify with the Democratic Party.
Kentucky Repubs allow absentee ballots in their (first) caucus. Nevada Dems do not.

Come to think of it Navada's active duty soldiers were disinfranchized also.

MisterVeritis
02-21-2016, 08:13 PM
Of course. And this is only one of a multitude of other reports reporting the same thing.

Voter ID laws: the Republican ruse to disenfranchise 5 million Americans
By Alex Slater

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/10/voter-id-laws-republican-ruse-disenfranchise
The dead, the felons, the illegals, the double voters...you know. Democrats.

You have heard the story about the middle-aged man who claims his mother voted Republican all the way up to the last election before she died. After that, she voted strictly for democrats.

Green Arrow
02-21-2016, 08:29 PM
Kentucky Repubs allow absentee ballots in their (first) caucus. Nevada Dems do not.

Come to think of it Navada's active duty soldiers were disinfranchized also.

Allowing absentee ballots makes it fine, then.

hanger4
02-21-2016, 08:39 PM
Allowing absentee ballots makes it fine, then.

I'm flummoxed. What was the DNC thinking ??

MisterVeritis
02-21-2016, 08:46 PM
I'm flummoxed. What was the DNC thinking ??
The leadership of the DNC is thinking that it is Hillary's turn. Screw Sanders. Screw the voters.

Green Arrow
02-21-2016, 08:52 PM
I'm flummoxed. What was the DNC thinking ??

They were thinking, let's keep Jews from voting for the first Jewish candidate to win a presidential primary for a major U.S. party so our hand-picked candidate can win.

Captain Obvious
02-21-2016, 08:52 PM
The leadership of the DNC is thinking that it is Hillary's turn. Screw Sanders. Screw the voters.

Just like it was Jeb's turn.

How'd that work out for the establishment?

:biglaugh:

Mister D
02-21-2016, 08:58 PM
Just like it was Jeb's turn.

How'd that work out for the establishment?

:biglaugh:

Not sure why Jeb wasted his time. There was no way another Bush was getting elected any time soon. He was just too controversial a President.

Captain Obvious
02-21-2016, 09:07 PM
Not sure why Jeb wasted his time. There was no way another Bush was getting elected any time soon. He was just too controversial a President.

I think there was more to it than that.

Jeb was the anointed GOP front runner before this all began, I think the GOP expected all of the conservative monkeys to rally around him.

Why the anti-establishment Trump made his way to front runner, I'm still not sure.

Mister D
02-21-2016, 09:11 PM
I think there was more to it than that.

Jeb was the anointed GOP front runner before this all began, I think the GOP expected all of the conservative monkeys to rally around him.

Why the anti-establishment Trump made his way to front runner, I'm still not sure.

A Jeb candidacy just seems like a dead end to me. How much do these GOP strategists get paid? I could have told them in complete confidence that this was a losing proposition.

Captain Obvious
02-21-2016, 09:13 PM
A Jeb candidacy just seems like a dead end to me. How much do these GOP strategists get paid? I could have told them in complete confidence that this was a losing proposition.

Last couple elections these strategists convinced GOP front runners to move to the middle and look where that got them.

Jeb's questionably a conservative, maybe that makes sense.

Mister D
02-21-2016, 09:18 PM
Last couple elections these strategists convinced GOP front runners to move to the middle and look where that got them.

Jeb's questionably a conservative, maybe that makes sense.

I doubt it would matter how his views are characterized. The name is political death for the near future.

Captain Obvious
02-21-2016, 09:29 PM
I doubt it would matter how his views are characterized. The name is political death for the near future.

Maybe you're right, maybe he should have taken his wife's name.

Jeb Juanpaco

Mister D
02-21-2016, 09:31 PM
Maybe you're right, maybe he should have taken his wife's name.

Jeb Juanpaco

Juan McCain as VP?

Captain Obvious
02-21-2016, 09:32 PM
Juan McCain as VP?

Is he still declared competent?

Tahuyaman
02-22-2016, 12:08 AM
Of course. And this is only one of a multitude of other reports reporting the same thing.

Voter ID laws: the Republican ruse to disenfranchise 5 million Americans
By Alex Slater

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/10/voter-id-laws-republican-ruse-disenfranchise

Partisans are incredible.

Tahuyaman
02-22-2016, 12:16 AM
The Nevada Democratic Caucuses Are Scheduled for Shabbat, Which Could Disenfranchise Many Jewish Voters (http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/197594/the-nevada-democratic-caucuses-are-scheduled-for-shabbat-which-could-disenfranchise-many-jewish-voters)


Yep, the DNC is hosting the first Jewish candidate for President in U.S. history, yet they schedule the Nevada caucus during Shabbat when observant Jewish voters, who represent 76,000 members of the Nevada population, cannot participate.



Nevade is home to over 76,000 Jews, many of them religiously observant, to the extent that several Vegas casinos and hotels feature full-service kosher kitchens. These Jews will be able to participate in the Republican caucuses, which are scheduled on Tuesday, February 23, but not in the Democratic ones—unless, of course, one or both of the Democratic presidential campaigns decide


Obviously the DNC has no such consideration. But please, by all means, tell me all about how Republicans are the only ones trying to disenfranchise minority voters with rules like voter I.D. :rollseyes:


Of course. And this is only one of a multitude of other reports reporting the same thing.

Voter ID laws: the Republican ruse to disenfranchise 5 million Americans
By Alex Slater

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/10/voter-id-laws-republican-ruse-disenfranchise

Do you have any comment pertaining to the DNC's scheduling issue here, or are just going after Republicans?

Tahuyaman
02-22-2016, 12:19 AM
TrueBlue is a monster.. She's not a monster. She's just another blind partisan hack who ignores anything she may find inconvenient.

PNW
02-22-2016, 07:10 AM
The Nevada GOP caucus is on Tuesday. The Alaska GOP caucus? A Tuesday. Now, the Kentucky GOP caucus is on a Saturday, which is a problem, but then Jews also aren't as much a GOP constituency as they are a Democratic constituency. Considering that there are more than twice as many Jewish liberals as there are Jewish conservatives. Seven in ten Jews identify with the Democratic Party.

So, just as I figured, it's a horrible crime, unspeakable crime, when the evil Democrats do it, but you know, it's really not bad, it's...Ok when the right does it.
How do you people live with your own hypocrisy?
Do you even notice it?

PNW
02-22-2016, 07:11 AM
Voter ID laws disenfranchise no one and you have every right to attempt to prove otherwise.

As far as choosing not to go for religious reasons, you seem to be applying a religious test to qualify to vote.

Aaaah denial and spin, you are the master at that.
You got nothing then, as I figured.

PNW
02-22-2016, 07:13 AM
Well, they certainly don't have kosher kitchens for atheists :rollseyes:

Which doesn't address the ridiculous statement at all. When your beat, just admit it like a man and move on.:rollseyes:

PNW
02-22-2016, 07:16 AM
Partisans are incredible.

Unless they are republicans, right?

PNW
02-22-2016, 07:17 AM
. She's not a monster. She's just another blind partisan hack who ignores anything she may find inconvenient.
I notice a lot of that around here.
I've been banned on 2 threads so far because of it.

hanger4
02-22-2016, 07:30 AM
So, just as I figured, it's a horrible crime, unspeakable crime, when the evil Democrats do it, but you know, it's really not bad, it's...Ok when the right does it.
How do you people live with your own hypocrisy?
Do you even notice it?
Kentucky allows absentee ballots in their caucus, Navada does not. Do try and keep up.

hanger4
02-22-2016, 07:40 AM
Aaaah denial and spin, you are the master at that.
You got nothing then, as I figured.
I havn't denyed or spun anything. Simply asked you to substantiate your voter id allegations and wondered out loud my you seem to be OK with a religious test to vote. You on the other hand avoided futher discussion and ignored the question. So who's deflecting via denial and spin ?? PNW is.

Adelaide
02-22-2016, 08:45 AM
Except for extremely Orthodox or observant Jews, which do not make up a majority or even a significant portion of American Jews, this didn't impact Jewish voting. Most Reform Jews wouldn't care about it and most Jews in general don't observe Shabbat in the United States, definitely not as seriously as it is observed by Orthodox Jews in Israel (to use an example).

hanger4
02-22-2016, 08:52 AM
Except for extremely Orthodox or observant Jews, which do not make up a majority or even a significant portion of American Jews, this didn't impact Jewish voting. Most Reform Jews wouldn't care about it and most Jews in general don't observe Shabbat in the United States, definitely not as seriously as it is observed by Orthodox Jews in Israel (to use an example).

What about 7th Day Adventists and active duty military ?? And if it's an insignificant number where is the line drawn ?? At what number does it become significant ??

Common Sense
02-22-2016, 09:12 AM
I really don't think hosting it on a Saturday is disenfranchising anyone.

PolWatch
02-22-2016, 09:31 AM
Since the day of the week doesn't matter, why don't they all have voting, etc on Sundays? I'm sure no one would object to the duties of citizenship interfering with the duties of worship for most Christians. Think of all the money that businesses would save....they would not have to pay people for the time they take off to vote unless they are shift-type workers.

hanger4
02-22-2016, 09:41 AM
I really don't think hosting it on a Saturday is disenfranchising anyone.
Except those Jews and 7th Day Adventists. Why is that OK ??

Tahuyaman
02-22-2016, 09:43 AM
So, just as I figured, it's a horrible crime, unspeakable crime, when the evil Democrats do it, but you know, it's really not bad, it's...Ok when the right does it.
How do you people live with your own hypocrisy?
Do you even notice it?

I love how people like this always try to point out the hyporcicy of others. They seem to justify their own.

AeonPax
02-22-2016, 09:44 AM
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This is just more evidence showing the Democrats sunk to the same low as the Republicans; Party before country. The duopoly now controls the system...both, infected to the core.

hanger4
02-22-2016, 09:48 AM
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This is just more evidence showing the Democrats sunk to the same low as the Republicans; Party before country. The duopoly now controls the system...both, infected to the core.
Funny that ^^^^ Repubs allow absentee ballots or caucus after sundown. No comparison.

PolWatch
02-22-2016, 09:48 AM
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This is just more evidence showing the Democrats sunk to the same low as the Republicans; Party before country. The duopoly now controls the system...both, infected to the core.

Our political system sold out to the highest bidder. Both parties are concerned with getting/keeping power. Their platforms are shaped to garner votes and seldom reflect their true beliefs.

The best government money can buy....don't ya wish you had enough money to buy a share?

del
02-22-2016, 10:58 AM
of course not.

TrueBlue
02-22-2016, 11:52 AM
How are the Republicans responsible for what the DNC does TrueBlue! What is the matter with you?
If you had only bothered to read the inquiry and my reply, in context, instead of jumping to conclusions and going on the attack, you would have learned that I was answering GA with regard to what Republicans are reported to have done with minority voters and ID.

Therefore, what is the matter with you?

hanger4
02-22-2016, 11:53 AM
of course not.

Lets see,

Repubs allow absentee ballots at their caucus

Dems do not.

Repubs schedule after sundown caucus

Dems did not.

You're right del, no comparison.

del
02-22-2016, 11:54 AM
Lets see,

Repubs allow absentee ballots at there caucus

Dems do not.

Repubs schedule after sundown caucus

Dems did not.

You're right del, no comparison.

*their

you're welcome

:rofl:

TrueBlue
02-22-2016, 11:56 AM
Partisans are incredible.
So are Republicans.

del
02-22-2016, 11:57 AM
^

pavlov's missing a dog

hanger4
02-22-2016, 11:59 AM
*their

you're welcome

:rofl:

Fixed before the grammar nazi pounced :)

May bad, fixed as the grammar nazi was pouncing.

del
02-22-2016, 12:00 PM
Fixed before the grammar nazi pounced :)

as usual you're a day late and a dollar short

hanger4
02-22-2016, 12:08 PM
as usual you're a day late and a dollar short
Back up and reread sweetness.

del
02-22-2016, 12:10 PM
Back up and reread sweetness.

i suggest you take your own advice, sugartits

lol

hanger4
02-22-2016, 12:12 PM
^

pavlov's missing a dog
The only thing missing is a viable argument that voter ID disenfranchises.

del
02-22-2016, 12:14 PM
The only thing missing is a viable argument that voter ID disenfranchises.

you may have noticed i don't waste my time arguing with fanatics.

carry on, mr webster

hanger4
02-22-2016, 12:17 PM
i suggest you take your own advice, sugartits

lol
Already have;


Fixed before the grammar nazi pounced :)

May bad, fixed as the grammar nazi was pouncing.

Time stamps del, as I was writing you were posting then I edited.

del
02-22-2016, 12:20 PM
Already have;



Time stamps del, as I was writing you were posting then I edited.

hey, i can't force you to be right or literate.

:rofl:

del
02-22-2016, 12:21 PM
just for your general fund of knowledge, 11:54 comes before 11:56

you may want to write that down

Tahuyaman
02-22-2016, 12:23 PM
So are Republicans.


Partisan hacks are partisan hacks no matter which side of the fence they fall. You are no different than Mac.

hanger4
02-22-2016, 12:25 PM
hey, i can't force you to be right or literate.

:rofl:

Agreed del, I fixed my oops, you continue to dig.

Your done.

Tahuyaman
02-22-2016, 12:27 PM
Of course. And this is only one of a multitude of other reports reporting the same thing.

Voter ID laws: the Republican ruse to disenfranchise 5 million Americans
By Alex Slater

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/10/voter-id-laws-republican-ruse-disenfranchise

so, once again. Do you condemn your party for intentionally disenfranchising a particular voting bloc?

hanger4
02-22-2016, 12:28 PM
just for your general fund of knowledge, 11:54 comes before 11:56

you may want to write that down

Reading comprehension is your friend del. What part of "I was writing (editing) as you were posting" didn't you understand ??

del
02-22-2016, 12:28 PM
Agreed del, I fixed my oops, you continue to dig.

Your done.

odd that you spelled i right the first time, but blew it the second time around.

oh, well, it's what i've come to expect

TrueBlue
02-22-2016, 12:29 PM
They are so desperate to coronate Hillary, I don't think they realize that they are killing themselves. If it's even PLAUSIBLE that they cheated Bernie, Bernie's massive base of support isn't going to turn out for Hillary in November, which means she loses.
I can see why you would say that, being a Libertarian, thus being more aligned with Republicans than Democrats but the fact of the matter is that should they think of doing what you suggest it would be a most egregious error on their part to not support Hillary since that would effectively pretty well mean the End To and/Or Serious CUTS to programs that Democrats use to help their fellow Americans. Therefore, Sanders supporters need to ask themselves -- can they afford to do that due to sour grapes that Hillary got the nomination and in the process kill their own chances of receiving what they are so rightfully deserving of? That is the big question they need to ask themselves and then hopefully decide to support Hillary Clinton or create their own demise by giving the Republican nominee the nod by de facto.

del
02-22-2016, 12:30 PM
Reading comprehension is your friend del. What part of "I was writing (editing) as you were posting" didn't you understand ??


http://www.attackplan.com/uploads/1/2/7/5/12756948/2084891_orig.gif

JVV
02-22-2016, 01:59 PM
Since the day of the week doesn't matter, why don't they all have voting, etc on Sundays? I'm sure no one would object to the duties of citizenship interfering with the duties of worship for most Christians. Think of all the money that businesses would save....they would not have to pay people for the time they take off to vote unless they are shift-type workers.


Great question.

JVV
02-22-2016, 02:01 PM
Whenever I'm in danger of thinking it wouldn't be so bad to have a Hillary presidency, I can come read TrueBlue's posts for a reminder of everything rotten that she represents.

Tahuyaman
02-22-2016, 03:29 PM
I can see why you would say that, being a Libertarian, thus being more aligned with Republicans than Democrats but the fact of the matter is that should they think of doing what you suggest it would be a most egregious error on their part to not support Hillary since that would effectively pretty well mean the End To and/Or Serious CUTS to programs that Democrats use to help their fellow Americans. Therefore, Sanders supporters need to ask themselves -- can they afford to do that due to sour grapes that Hillary got the nomination and in the process kill their own chances of receiving what they are so rightfully deserving of? That is the big question they need to ask themselves and then hopefully decide to support Hillary Clinton or create their own demise by giving the Republican nominee the nod by de facto.


Do you have any comment on the actual topic of this thread?

MisterVeritis
02-22-2016, 03:31 PM
. . . that would effectively pretty well mean the End To and/Or Serious CUTS to programs that Democrats use to help their fellow Americans.
Is there any plunder you are willing to give up?

Green Arrow
02-22-2016, 06:03 PM
So, just as I figured, it's a horrible crime, unspeakable crime, when the evil Democrats do it, but you know, it's really not bad, it's...Ok when the right does it.
How do you people live with your own hypocrisy?
Do you even notice it?

For starters, I'm not a right-winger.

The GOP has allowed absentee ballots, which makes it okay. If the DNC had allowed absentee ballots it would have been fine, but they didn't.

Green Arrow
02-22-2016, 06:09 PM
I can see why you would say that, being a Libertarian, thus being more aligned with Republicans than Democrats but the fact of the matter is that should they think of doing what you suggest it would be a most egregious error on their part to not support Hillary since that would effectively pretty well mean the End To and/Or Serious CUTS to programs that Democrats use to help their fellow Americans. Therefore, Sanders supporters need to ask themselves -- can they afford to do that due to sour grapes that Hillary got the nomination and in the process kill their own chances of receiving what they are so rightfully deserving of? That is the big question they need to ask themselves and then hopefully decide to support Hillary Clinton or create their own demise by giving the Republican nominee the nod by de facto.


I am not a libertarian, I am a socialist. You are either a liar or can't read, because I've said that a number of times.

And Hillary is basically a Republican in Democrat clothing, so I have no qualms whatsoever letting a Republican win in November if it means tossing out Hillary. Virtually nothing will change between Hillary and a Republican. America and I both lose either way in such a scenario.

Tahuyaman
02-22-2016, 06:11 PM
TrueBlue is going the extra mile to ignore the thread topic.

Tahuyaman
02-22-2016, 06:21 PM
I am not a libertarian, I am a socialist.

And Hillary is basically a Republican in Democrat clothing, so I have no qualms whatsoever letting a Republican win in November if it means tossing out Hillary.

I know the unconventional wisdom says that there's not much difference between the major parties and their candidates, but that's not really very accurate.

I don't understand your issue with Hillary Clinton. Her views seem to be quite compatible with those of the socialist persuasion. There's very little disagreement between her and Sanders.

Of course there are her obvious ethical and honesty issues.

JVV
02-22-2016, 06:24 PM
I know the unconventional wisdom says that there's not much difference between the major parties and their candidates, but that's not really very accurate.

I don't understand your issue with Hillary Clinton. Her views seem to be quite compatible with those of the socialist persuasion. There's very little disagreement between her and Sanders.

Of course there are her obvious ethical and honesty issues.


On paper her views are consistent with a progressive agenda.

But she's a Clinton.

No telling what she'll do ... except even when it involves co-opting Republican positions it will involve tweaking Republicans and trying to get them to respond badly. Of course the Republicans will oblige.

So in other words, Hillary represents business as usual.



Sanders represents principled progressive efforts with the help of an engaged citizenry.

Green Arrow
02-22-2016, 06:29 PM
I know the unconventional wisdom says that there's not much difference between the major parties and their candidates, but that's not really very accurate.

It is completely accurate. Hillary Clinton's foreign policy, and so far that of President Obama, is virtually unchanged from the foreign policy of George W. Bush, which was virtually unchanged from the FP of Bill Clinton, which was virtually unchanged from the FP of George H.W. Bush, which was virtually unchanged from the FP of Ronald Reagan...

The only time we've done anything significantly different as far as foreign policy goes was Jimmy Carter.


I don't understand your issue with Hillary Clinton. Her views seem to be quite compatible with those of the socialist persuasion. There's very little disagreement between her and Sanders.

My issue with Hillary Clinton is I look passed her words and look at her actions. Actions speak louder than words and in actions, Hillary Clinton is the most crony capitalist politician alive today, and quite possibly one of the most crony capitalist politicians in American history.

Hillary Clinton is many things, socialist is not one of them.

Tahuyaman
02-22-2016, 06:35 PM
This idea that Bush holds the same foreign policy views as Obama and Clinton is just silly.

Green Arrow
02-22-2016, 06:41 PM
This idea that Bush holds the same foreign policy views as Obama and Clinton is just silly.

Are you going to just state that it is silly, or do you actually want to have a discussion about it?

Tahuyaman
02-22-2016, 06:44 PM
Are you going to just state that it is silly, or do you actually want to have a discussion about it?


I know now you don't like bring disagreed with, but there's no similarities between the Bush and Obama foreign policy.

Green Arrow
02-22-2016, 06:47 PM
I know now you don't like bring disagreed with, but there's no similarities between the Bush and Obama foreign policy.

I actually do enjoy being disagreed with, when that disagreement is intelligent and at least attempts to make an argument. Just stating "no it isn't" isn't an argument.

Tahuyaman
02-22-2016, 06:52 PM
I actually do enjoy being disagreed with, when that disagreement is intelligent and at least attempts to make an argument. Just stating "no it isn't" isn't an argument.

right, I believe you.

PNW
02-23-2016, 07:02 AM
What about 7th Day Adventists and active duty military ?? And if it's an insignificant number where is the line drawn ?? At what number does it become significant ??

You were asked that same question about your party and their efforts to publicly disenfranchise voters, why haven't you answered?

PNW
02-23-2016, 07:03 AM
so, once again. Do you condemn your party for intentionally disenfranchising a particular voting bloc?

Do you?
Your party has done it nearly nation wide, huge numbers of people and they admit they are doing it. It's not a secret, so do you condemn your party or not?

hanger4
02-23-2016, 07:19 AM
You were asked that same question about your party and their efforts to publicly disenfranchise voters, why haven't you answered?
I have answered. Voter ID DOES NOT disenfranchise PNW

Do try and keep up

hanger4
02-23-2016, 07:24 AM
Do you?
Your party has done it nearly nation wide, huge numbers of people and they admit they are doing it. It's not a secret, so do you condemn your party or not?

Voter ID does not deprive someone of their right to vote.

BTW your 'but but but they do it to defence' is quite telling.

MisterVeritis
02-23-2016, 10:13 AM
I have answered. Voter ID DOES NOT disenfranchise @PNW (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1896)

Do try and keep up
Do you realize how hard it makes it for the illegal aliens to vote, for the dead, and for felons if they must prove they are eligible? Dastardly!

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 10:14 AM
Do you?
Your party has done it nearly nation wide, huge numbers of people and they admit they are doing it. It's not a secret, so do you condemn your party or not?


This thread is about the Democrat party. Why can't you partisan Democrats face the issue being addressed here?

I'm not a member of any political party. So, NO. My party has never done that.

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 10:16 AM
Voter ID does not deprive someone of their right to vote.

BTW your 'but but but they do it to defence' is quite telling.


I don't know how anyone can oppose protecting the integrity of our voting process, but they do.

del
02-23-2016, 11:16 AM
Voter ID does not deprive someone of their right to vote.

BTW your 'but but but they do it to defence' is quite telling.

your does not, does not is equally compelling

hanger4
02-23-2016, 11:26 AM
your does not, does not is equally compelling
Disenfranchise means to deprive someone of the right to vote. Obtain an ID and you're not deprived.

Not allowing absentee ballots deprives.

You were saying ??

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 12:16 PM
You will not be able to find one Democrat party hack who will criticize the actions of their party. All they can do is try to justify their party's actions by claiming the other side does the same thing.

They don't have have the integrity to stand up and demand their party abide by the standards they demand of their political opposition.

Its pathetic.

Safety
02-23-2016, 12:28 PM
Disenfranchise means to deprive someone of the right to vote. Obtain an ID and you're not deprived.

Not allowing absentee ballots deprives.

You were saying ??

That was the same thinking in the past with poll taxes. Just pay the tax and you can vote. Just pass the test and you can vote.

del
02-23-2016, 12:31 PM
That was the same thinking in the past with poll taxes. Just pay the tax and you can vote. Just pass the test and you can vote.

just go 100 miles to the nearest govt office to get your id and you can vote


A judge hearing a case contesting Texas's voter ID law (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-02/texas-voter-id-trial-seen-as-test-for-restoring-u-s-oversight.html) noted that some rural Texans would have to travel more than 100 miles to obtain proper documents.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-09-17/voter-id-is-bad-for-republicans-too

Truth Detector
02-23-2016, 12:31 PM
hey, i can't force you to be right or literate.

:rofl:

Yeah; because everyone knows literacy begins by starting EVERY sentence without capitalization.

:rofl:

Safety
02-23-2016, 12:35 PM
Yeah; because everyone knows literacy begins by starting EVERY sentence without capitalization.

:rofl:

Or using a semicolon instead of a comma....

Truth Detector
02-23-2016, 12:36 PM
That was the same thinking in the past with poll taxes. Just pay the tax and you can vote. Just pass the test and you can vote.

Having an ID proving you are who you say you are is neither a test nor a tax; it's something EVERYONE needs just to function. The notion that there is anyone out there who cannot produce valid ID is the realm of lunacy only postulated by the loony left.

Truth Detector
02-23-2016, 12:37 PM
Or using a semicolon instead of a comma....

I am not the one playing grammar Nazi....and yes, you can use a semicolon in the manner I use it. Now get a bigger box of kleenex. :biglaugh:

Safety
02-23-2016, 12:47 PM
I am not the one playing grammar Nazi....and yes, you can use a semicolon in the manner I use it. Now get a bigger box of kleenex. :biglaugh:

Can and should are two different things.

Truth Detector
02-23-2016, 12:48 PM
Can and should are two different things.

When you start lecturing del on his grammar, get back to me hypocrite. In the meantime, stick to race hustling. :biglaugh:

del
02-23-2016, 12:49 PM
When you start lecturing del on his grammar, get back to me hypocrite. In the meantime, stick to race hustling. :biglaugh:

orthography

you're welcome

hanger4
02-23-2016, 12:54 PM
That was the same thinking in the past with poll taxes. Just pay the tax and you can vote. Just pass the test and you can vote.
ID requires no test or tax.

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 12:57 PM
How does one lead any type of productive life if they can't prove who they are?

Ravens Fan
02-23-2016, 01:06 PM
just go 100 miles to the nearest govt office to get your id and you can vote



http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-09-17/voter-id-is-bad-for-republicans-too

I don't know about Texas, but here in Maryland life would be pretty hard without a Government issued picture ID. I have had one since I was in the 6th grade.

You need it to drive, cash a check, get a job, get prescriptions filled (with narcotics especially), buy alcohol, get into a bar/club, see a movie that is rated "R" or above, buy cigarettes, sign up for any government services, buy a lottery ticket and/or collect the winnings. So, I do not see it as anything special that you have to do in order to vote, but rather something everyone should already have due to life.

Unless the States were to start charging extravagantly for the ID's, how is that infringing on anybody's right to vote?

And how is protecting the integrity of the vote even comparable to purposely setting up a vote at a time when a specific minority is least likely to be able to make it?

Fagan_the_Pagan
02-23-2016, 01:09 PM
How does one lead any type of productive life if they can't prove who they are?The same way someone who CAN prove who they are does. Just minus the proof.

Safety
02-23-2016, 01:10 PM
I don't know about Texas, but here in Maryland life would be pretty hard without a Government issued picture ID. I have had one since I was in the 6th grade.

You need it to drive, cash a check, get a job, get prescriptions filled (with narcotics especially), buy alcohol, get into a bar/club, see a movie that is rated "R" or above, buy cigarettes, sign up for any government services, buy a lottery ticket and/or collect the winnings. So, I do not see it as anything special that you have to do in order to vote, but rather something everyone should already have due to life.

Unless the States were to start charging extravagantly for the ID's, how is that infringing on anybody's right to vote?

And how is protecting the integrity of the vote even comparable to purposely setting up a vote at a time when a specific minority is least likely to be able to make it?

Everywhere on the upper east coast is easy to get around to because of the infrastructure. Not so much in the south. Hell, in four hours you can visit four states...four hours in the south and you might just be in another county.

Safety
02-23-2016, 01:11 PM
ID requires no test or tax.

That's where we can have a difference of opinion.

Ravens Fan
02-23-2016, 01:11 PM
Everywhere on the upper east coast is easy to get around to because of the infrastructure. Not so much in the south. Hell, in four hours you can visit four states...four hours in the south and you might just be in another county.

Sorry, but that does not address anything I said. :wink:

Truth Detector
02-23-2016, 01:14 PM
The same way someone who CAN prove who they are does. Just minus the proof.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/cray.gif

Truth Detector
02-23-2016, 01:14 PM
Everywhere on the upper east coast is easy to get around to because of the infrastructure. Not so much in the south. Hell, in four hours you can visit four states...four hours in the south and you might just be in another county.

Another pointless rant.

Truth Detector
02-23-2016, 01:15 PM
That's where we can have a difference of opinion.

How is having a valid ID the same as a poll tax or taking a test? DUH!

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/cray.gif

Safety
02-23-2016, 01:16 PM
When you start lecturing del on his grammar, get back to me hypocrite. In the meantime, stick to race hustling. :biglaugh:

Your detection of race hustling needs a little tweaking, along with the truth....

Truth Detector
02-23-2016, 01:19 PM
Your detection of race hustling needs a little tweaking, along with the truth....

Your detection of irony and hypocrisy need a LOT of tweeking. What would race hustlers know about the truth?

Safety
02-23-2016, 01:20 PM
Sorry, but that does not address anything I said. :wink:

I was comparing the ease of getting around to places that require ID, compared to the south where the older people (mostly who are having trouble with getting an ID) rely on family members to do all that stuff for them. That's why I mentioned the infrastructure difference. I personally know of several elderly women who have ID, but it is expired because they haven't driven in 30 years, or have been divorced, etc.

Safety
02-23-2016, 01:21 PM
Your detection of irony and hypocrisy need a LOT of tweeking. What would race hustlers know about the truth?

No idea, what's your expert take on it?

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 01:26 PM
The same way someone who CAN prove who they are does. Just minus the proof.


How does one open a bank account, cash a paycheck or even a welfare check if they can't prove who they are?

hanger4
02-23-2016, 01:31 PM
That's where we can have a difference of opinion.

What test ??

What tax ??

Ravens Fan
02-23-2016, 01:32 PM
I was comparing the ease of getting around to places that require ID, compared to the south where the older people (mostly who are having trouble with getting an ID) rely on family members to do all that stuff for them. That's why I mentioned the infrastructure difference. I personally know of several elderly women who have ID, but it is expired because they haven't driven in 30 years, or have been divorced, etc.

So if they live in the rural south, they do not need ID's for any of the examples I used? They don't cash checks? They don't get prescription drugs?

I am sure there are those who have a hard time getting around, that is true of any area. But they do when needed, and if voting is that important to them, they will find a way to get to the polls. Why shouldn't they be able to have a valid ID by the time November gets here? That is 9 months away, and this has been a serious subject for a few years now...

Safety
02-23-2016, 01:38 PM
So if they live in the rural south, they do not need ID's for any of the examples I used? They don't cash checks? They don't get prescription drugs?

I am sure there are those who have a hard time getting around, that is true of any area. But they do when needed, and if voting is that important to them, they will find a way to get to the polls. Why shouldn't they be able to have a valid ID by the time November gets here? That is 9 months away, and this has been a serious subject for a few years now...

Nope, they don't cash checks, fixed income deposited directly into bank. Prescriptions are picked up by their children. I get where you are going, and I agree that they should be able to have some sort of verification, but I am just saying not everyone requires valid ID to live their life.

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 01:40 PM
What test ??

What tax ??

the ones which don't exist.

Safety
02-23-2016, 01:40 PM
How does one open a bank account, cash a paycheck or even a welfare check if they can't prove who they are?

Once you open an account, it's established, so if someone opened one 30 years ago and don't drive anymore, their driver's license is expired. They would be prevented from voting because of it. When was the last time you received a paper check? Not everyone without a driver's license is on welfare...

Ravens Fan
02-23-2016, 01:40 PM
Nope, they don't cash checks, fixed income deposited directly into bank. Prescriptions are picked up by their children. I get where you are going, and I agree that they should be able to have some sort of verification, but I am just saying not everyone requires valid ID to live their life.

Then would I be correct in assuming that someone like that most likely would vote via absentee ballot? Those are not included in the ID issue, IIRC.

Safety
02-23-2016, 01:41 PM
What test ??

What tax ??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_tax_(United_States)

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 01:42 PM
Nope, they don't cash checks, fixed income deposited directly into bank. Prescriptions are picked up by their children. I get where you are going, and I agree that they should be able to have some sort of verification, but I am just saying not everyone requires valid ID to live their life.

How did they they aquire the Doctor's prescription in their name if they can't prove who they are? How did they open the bank account for direct deposit if the bank can't verify their identity?

Truth Detector
02-23-2016, 01:43 PM
I personally know of several elderly women who have ID, but it is expired because they haven't driven in 30 years, or have been divorced, etc.

What State are these "elderly" women living in?

Truth Detector
02-23-2016, 01:43 PM
No idea, what's your expert take on it?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRmtpau8sOU

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 01:45 PM
Once you open an account, it's established, so if someone opened one 30 years ago and don't drive anymore, their driver's license is expired. They would be prevented from voting because of it. When was the last time you received a paper check? Not everyone without a driver's license is on welfare...


An expired drivers license is a valid ID.

You're making a pretty silly argument here.

Safety
02-23-2016, 01:45 PM
What State are these "elderly" women living in?

Denial I guess.

Safety
02-23-2016, 01:47 PM
How did they they aquire the Doctor's prescription in their name if they can't prove who they are? How did they open the bank account for direct deposit if the bank can't verify their identity?

Welcome to the south. People have family doctors that they have been to since they were children. Direct deposit and mobile deposit are new technology, the bank is the same. No need to verify identity for an account you already have.

hanger4
02-23-2016, 01:47 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_tax_(United_States)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&spell=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=free+voter+id


No tax.

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 01:47 PM
So, when a bartender asks for ID when Someone is obviously over 21 years old, is he or she a racist?

Safety
02-23-2016, 01:48 PM
An expired drivers license is a valid ID.

You're making a pretty silly argument here.

Most states have this clause:


With the exception of the U.S. citizenship certificate, the identification must be current or have expired no more than 60 days before being presented for voter qualification at the polling place.

http://www.votetexas.gov/register-to-vote/need-id/

You were saying?

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 01:48 PM
Give it up. The liberals have their idiotic talking points and no facts can alter them.

Safety
02-23-2016, 01:50 PM
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&spell=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=free+voter+id


No tax.

Disagree...

tax.


- Nearly 500,000 eligible voters do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from the nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. Many of them live in rural areas with dwindling public transportation options.
- More than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week.
1.2 million eligible black voters and 500,000 eligible Hispanic voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. People of color are more likely to be disenfranchised by these laws since they are less likely to have photo ID than the general population.
- Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays. In other states — Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas — many part-time ID-issuing offices are in the rural regions with the highest concentrations of people of color and people in poverty.

(per your link)

Truth Detector
02-23-2016, 01:50 PM
Denial I guess.

Can't even honestly answer a very simple question can you. Predictable.

Safety
02-23-2016, 01:51 PM
Give it up. The liberals have their idiotic talking points and no facts can alter them.

It's for the best, you can only ad hom for so long.

Truth Detector
02-23-2016, 01:51 PM
Welcome to the south. People have family doctors that they have been to since they were children. Direct deposit and mobile deposit are new technology, the bank is the same. No need to verify identity for an account you already have.

https://m.popkey.co/3dec13/EpK5Y.gif

Safety
02-23-2016, 01:51 PM
Can't even honestly answer a very simple question can you. Predictable.

Coming from the guy who posts memes all day?

Srsly?

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 01:52 PM
Most drivers licenses issued by the various states are valid forms of ID once expired.

Safety
02-23-2016, 01:52 PM
So, when a bartender asks for ID when Someone is obviously over 21 years old, is he or she a racist?

This is pretty much the caliber of your discussions.

Safety
02-23-2016, 01:53 PM
Most drivers licenses issued by the various states are valid forms of ID once expired.

I posted a link disproving your statement, care to substantiate yours?

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 01:54 PM
This is pretty much the caliber of your discussions.


And do that's pretty much the caliber of any of your answers. You can not answer any question. You can't even acknowledge your own comments when confronted.

hanger4
02-23-2016, 01:54 PM
Disagree...

tax.



(per your link)

I guess those people are so far away they can't even register to vote either.

Safety
02-23-2016, 01:56 PM
And do that's pretty much the caliber of any of your answers. You can not answer any question. You can't even acknowledge your own comments when confronted.

.....your statement doesn't make sense. (that was an answer btw)

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 01:57 PM
I posted a link disproving your statement, care to substantiate yours?


Texas is "most states". Texas is big, but not that big.

Safety
02-23-2016, 01:57 PM
I guess those people are so far away they can't even register to vote either.

You register to vote as soon as you turn 18. In some cases later because of the age of the person and the laws that were in place at the time. (i.e. 1964).

Safety
02-23-2016, 01:58 PM
Texas is "most states". Texas is big, but not that big.

Texas isn't "most" states. You said "most" Driver's licenses.

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 01:58 PM
.....your statement doesn't make sense. (that was an answer btw)

a non responsive, trolling type of retort is not an answer.

Safety
02-23-2016, 01:59 PM
a non responsive, trolling type of retort is not an answer.

I'm starting to believe you are just grasping at straws now. The hole is deep enough, you can stop digging.

hanger4
02-23-2016, 02:02 PM
You register to vote as soon as you turn 18. In some cases later because of the age of the person and the laws that were in place at the time. (i.e. 1964).
If one wishes and seeing as how it's so far away why not pick an ID while you're there.

Safety
02-23-2016, 02:09 PM
If one wishes and seeing as how it's so far away why not pick an ID while you're there.

Probably because this is a new system they are implementing. This wasn't the way it was when these people registered.

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 02:11 PM
Texas isn't "most" states. You said "most" Driver's licenses.


Are drivers licenses in Texas considered "most" drivers licenses?

Again, expired drivers licenses are considered valid forms of idenntification in most states. Is this too difficult for you to grasp or what?

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 02:12 PM
Requiring voters to verify their identity is not some racist plot meant to deny poor blacks the right to vote.

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 02:13 PM
Can't even honestly answer a very simple question can you. Predictable.

that was established long before the existence of this thread.

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 02:15 PM
It's for the best, you can only ad hom for so long.

Do you even know what "ad hom" stands for? If you say "yes", try using it in the proper context.

Safety
02-23-2016, 02:19 PM
Are drivers licenses in Texas considered "most" drivers licenses?

Again, expired drivers licenses are considered valid forms of idenntification in most states. Is this too difficult for you to grasp or what?

Ok, most states. Out of 50, that would mean a majority, so 26. Link?

Safety
02-23-2016, 02:21 PM
Do you even know what "ad hom" stands for? If you say "yes", try using it in the proper context.

I do, I have.

Truth Detector
02-23-2016, 02:33 PM
Coming from the guy who posts memes all day?

Srsly?

Still making up your bullsh!t as you go I see. :biglaugh:

Truth Detector
02-23-2016, 02:33 PM
This is pretty much the caliber of your discussions.

...which are waaaaayyy above the low life caliber of your own.

Truth Detector
02-23-2016, 02:34 PM
You register to vote as soon as you turn 18. In some cases later because of the age of the person and the laws that were in place at the time. (i.e. 1964).

https://m.popkey.co/3dec13/EpK5Y.gif

Truth Detector
02-23-2016, 02:35 PM
I'm starting to believe you are just grasping at straws now. The hole is deep enough, you can stop digging.

Irony coming from someone so desperately....wait for it......grasping at strawmen.

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 02:52 PM
I do, I have.

you are making assumptions again.

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 02:53 PM
Irony coming from someone so desperately....wait for it......grasping at strawmen.


He can't help himself. At least he's consistent.

Safety
02-23-2016, 02:56 PM
Still making up your bullsh!t as you go I see. :biglaugh:

Yea...your posts from earlier today....


...which are waaaaayyy above the low life caliber of your own.


https://m.popkey.co/3dec13/EpK5Y.gif


Irony coming from someone so desperately....wait for it......grasping at strawmen.


https://m.popkey.co/3dec13/EpK5Y.gif

https://m.popkey.co/3dec13/EpK5Y.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRmtpau8sOU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRmtpau8sOU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRmtpau8sOU

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/cray.gif

Safety
02-23-2016, 02:58 PM
you are making assumptions again.

Ok...stop using words you have no idea how/when to use them.

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 03:00 PM
You register to vote as soon as you turn 18. In some cases later because of the age of the person and the laws that were in place at the time. (i.e. 1964).

You are absolutely correct that an eighteen year old didn't have the right to vote in 1964. Now, can you guess what year the constitutional amendment was passed lowering the voting age to 18?

Truth Detector
02-23-2016, 03:11 PM
Yea...your posts from earlier today....

I'll call your dishonest hypocritical selective outrage and raise you:


TrueBlue is a monster.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b3/59/b5/b359b5be6f3003b854d6e1559701802e.jpg

*their
you're welcome
:rofl:

^
pavlov's missing a dog

as usual you're a day late and a dollar short

i suggest you take your own advice, sugartits
lol

you may have noticed i don't waste my time arguing with fanatics.
carry on, mr webster

hey, i can't force you to be right or literate.
:rofl:

http://www.attackplan.com/uploads/1/2/7/5/12756948/2084891_orig.gif

Or using a semicolon instead of a comma....

Can and should are two different things.

Your detection of race hustling needs a little tweaking, along with the truth....

Denial I guess.

It's for the best, you can only ad hom for so long.

Coming from the guy who posts memes all day?
Srsly?

This is pretty much the caliber of your discussions.

I'm starting to believe you are just grasping at straws now. The hole is deep enough, you can stop digging.

Ok...stop using words you have no idea how/when to use them.

TBed by OP.

Safety
02-23-2016, 04:24 PM
You are absolutely correct that an eighteen year old didn't have the right to vote in 1964. Now, can you guess what year the constitutional amendment was passed lowering the voting age to 18?

Whoosh, goes the point sailing over your head....it's not a matter of 18 being the age to vote, but the fact that if the new requirements were implemented at that time, there would not be an issue with people complying with it. New rules created a hardship where there wasn't one before.

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 04:41 PM
Whoosh, goes the point sailing over your head....it's not a matter of 18 being the age to vote, but the fact that if the new requirements were implemented at that time, there would not be an issue with people complying with it. New rules created a hardship where there wasn't one before.

whatever you need to do to justify your point of view.

Safety
02-23-2016, 04:44 PM
whatever you need to do to justify your point of view.

Isn't that why we're here? To share point of views?

MisterVeritis
02-23-2016, 04:46 PM
The DNC took actions to prevent Jews from voting. But somehow this thread has become all about how horrible the citizens are who want assurances that voters are authorized to vote.

Democrats don't care about voters. If they did would they stack the deck to make sure the DNC's approved candidate wins without regard to actual voting?

Carry on Left-wing Authoritarian statists. Hypocrites.

Peter1469
02-23-2016, 04:57 PM
I'll call your dishonest hypocritical selective outrage and raise you:


Notice: Thread banned at the request of the thread owner.

Peter1469
02-23-2016, 05:03 PM
The DNC took actions to prevent Jews from voting. But somehow this thread has become all about how horrible the citizens are who want assurances that voters are authorized to vote.

Democrats don't care about voters. If they did would they stack the deck to make sure the DNC's approved candidate wins without regard to actual voting?

Carry on Left-wing Authoritarian statists. Hypocrites.


Notice: Thread banned at the request of the thread owner.

Tahuyaman
02-23-2016, 05:07 PM
Isn't that why we're here? To share point of views?

most people try to maintain some consistency when they do that and they don't usually back away from comments previoysly made.

Safety
02-23-2016, 05:10 PM
most people try to maintain some consistency when they do that and they don't usually back away from comments previoysly made.

If you keep repeating it enough, maybe in some parallel universe it would become true.

Safety
02-23-2016, 05:12 PM
Anyway, back to the discussion. The DNC looks like they may have opened pandora's box with the obvious rigging for Clinton.

Tricia
02-23-2016, 05:21 PM
whatever you need to do to justify your point of view.

Tahuyaman is TBed at the request of the OP.

PNW
02-24-2016, 07:23 AM
ID requires no test or tax.

Still with the denial I see.
Well conservatives have never been one to look at an issues for themselves, they just go with what they are told by their media.

PNW
02-24-2016, 07:25 AM
Requiring voters to verify their identity is not some racist plot meant to deny poor blacks the right to vote.

Nope, it targets several other groups as well, elderly, poor, students and other minorities.
It's far more broad based than just blacks.
But you knew that.

hanger4
02-24-2016, 09:09 AM
Still with the denial I see.
Well conservatives have never been one to look at an issues for themselves, they just go with what they are told by their media.

The only one in denial is you, of course you could show the the test and tax.

JDubya
02-24-2016, 09:37 AM
Both the Democrats and Republicans did the exact same thing in 2008 and the Repubs did it again in 2012.

Just another excuse for conservatives to throw another tantrum about Clinton.

Green Arrow
02-24-2016, 01:18 PM
Both the Democrats and Republicans did the exact same thing in 2008 and the Repubs did it again in 2012.

Just another excuse for conservatives to throw another tantrum about Clinton.

I'm not a conservative.

PNW
02-24-2016, 05:45 PM
The only one in denial is you, of course you could show the the test and tax.
So is denial and childish "because I said so" all you have?
Not surprising, you a conservative after all.

hanger4
02-24-2016, 06:03 PM
So is denial and childish "because I said so" all you have?
Not surprising, you a conservative after all.
What part of 'what test' and 'what tax' didn't you understand ??

Simple question, why are you avoiding it ??

Peter1469
02-24-2016, 06:05 PM
So is denial and childish "because I said so" all you have?
Not surprising, you a conservative after all.

Notice: Thread banned at the request of the thread owner.

JDubya
02-24-2016, 06:37 PM
I'm not a conservative.

Might as well be.

Green Arrow
02-24-2016, 07:05 PM
Might as well be.

...because I don't march in lock-step rhythm to the beat of Hillary's drum and have very valid reasons to never support her?

Okay then.