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OGIS
02-22-2016, 04:01 PM
I feel rather like I did when I found out that Mick Jagger studied economics, or that Art Garfunkel has a master's degree in mathematics.

Life is full of surprises.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KljYnP7TDbg

nathanbforrest45
02-22-2016, 04:19 PM
What makes you think he would be anything other than sane, principled and intelligent?

JDubya
02-22-2016, 04:42 PM
I saw him on The Late Show (with Colbert) a few weeks ago.

He's certainly articulate enough, but when I heard him he was pushing the same old blame whitey agenda.

Didn't hear him utter a word about black crime and violence. To listen to him talk, it sounds like blacks are victims only. Never victimIZERS or victims of other blacks, only whites.

That's why I pay him no attention.

OGIS
02-22-2016, 04:59 PM
What makes you think he would be anything other than sane, principled and intelligent?

Never heard of him before. The intersection of the "rapper" concept with someone whose stage name is "Killer Mike" brings up certain stereotypical associations, prior to actually getting any content from the interview. That's all, no biggie.

donttread
02-22-2016, 07:30 PM
I feel rather like I did when I found out that Mick Jagger studied economics, or that Art Garfunkel has a master's degree in mathematics.

Life is full of surprises.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KljYnP7TDbg

So the white males that help feed the world are the bastards. Good fucking grief.

Mac-7
02-22-2016, 07:31 PM
Never heard of him before. The intersection of the "rapper" concept with someone whose stage name is "Killer Mike" brings up certain stereotypical associations, prior to actually getting any content from the interview. That's all, no biggie.

Maybe he only wants to kill whites by mob action rather than shooting them individually himself.

OGIS
02-22-2016, 07:42 PM
So the white males that help feed the world are the $#@!s. Good $#@!ing grief.

Hasty Generalization fallacy. You got some kind of documentation to prove that it is exclusively white males that feed the world?

I am SO farking tired of people (mostly conservatives) asserting chit without evidence.

Thomas Jefferson, Abe Lincoln and George Washington were pedophiles. I read it on the internet, so it must be true.

Mac-7
02-22-2016, 07:58 PM
Hasty Generalization fallacy. You got some kind of documentation to prove that it is exclusively white males that feed the world?

I am SO farking tired of people (mostly conservatives) asserting chit without evidence.

Thomas Jefferson, Abe Lincoln and George Washington were pedophiles. I read it on the internet, so it must be true.

There is the example of rhodesia which used to be the breadbasket of africa when the farms were owned and managed by whites.

Now black owned zimbabwe is just another welfare queen existing on food stamps from the world.

Mister D
02-22-2016, 08:01 PM
Hasty Generalization fallacy. You got some kind of documentation to prove that it is exclusively white males that feed the world?

I am SO farking tired of people (mostly conservatives) asserting chit without evidence.

Thomas Jefferson, Abe Lincoln and George Washington were pedophiles. I read it on the internet, so it must be true.

Did he say it was exclusively white males that feed the world? You then go on to say that you are tired of people asserting shit without evidence? lol

Mister D
02-22-2016, 08:02 PM
There is the example of rhodesia which used to be the breadbasket of africa when the farms were owned and managed by whites.

Now black owned zimbawe is just another welfare on food stamps from the world.

It's a fact that modernity is largely the result of the efforts of white Europeans with penises.

Matty
02-22-2016, 08:05 PM
There is the example of rhodesia which used to be the breadbasket of africa when the farms were owned and managed by whites.

Now black owned zimbawe is just another welfare queen existing on food stamps from the world.


Zimbabwe



http://qz.com/458137/mugabe-is-asking-back-the-white-farmers-he-chased-away/

Mac-7
02-22-2016, 08:12 PM
Zimbabwe



http://qz.com/458137/mugabe-is-asking-back-the-white-farmers-he-chased-away/

Ok.

thanks for not having me banned from the thread like the beautiful people might have

Matty
02-22-2016, 08:14 PM
Ok.

thanks for not having me banned from your thread like the beautiful people might have




You are welcome in my threads all day long as long as we disagree agreeably.

OGIS
02-22-2016, 08:18 PM
There is the example of rhodesia which used to be the breadbasket of africa when the farms were owned and managed by whites.

Now black owned zimbabwe is just another welfare queen existing on food stamps from the world.

And then there is the example of the almost exclusively white Soviet Union being not able to feed itself for a significant part of its existence.

The key issue, therefore, seems to be something other than race.

Mac-7
02-22-2016, 08:21 PM
And then there is the example of the almost exclusively white Soviet Union being not able to feed itself for a significant part of its existence.

The key issue, therefore, seems to be something other than race.

True.

and where did the soviets get grain?

White farmers in America.

Mister D
02-22-2016, 09:05 PM
Are we talking about the same Soviet Union that became a superpower and vied for world hegemony with the US? That Soviet Union? Yeah, real basket case. lol

OGIS
02-22-2016, 09:11 PM
True.

and where did the soviets get grain?

White farmers in America.

And you are arguing in circles, as I have already established, with the example of white Soviet food problems, that race is not a valid causal connection.

It is because it is because it is because it is because it is because it is because it is....

The circular logic of a superstitious savage.

JDubya
02-22-2016, 09:12 PM
It's a fact that modernity is largely the result of the efforts of white Europeans with penises.

Usually their own, too!!! :thumbsup:

JDubya
02-22-2016, 09:16 PM
And you are arguing in circles, as I have already established, with the example of white Soviet food problems, that race is not a valid causal connection.

It is because it is because it is because it is because it is because it is because it is....

The circular logic of a superstitious savage.

I think the point about Zimbawe under black control was more about managerial abilities rather than agricultural abilities.

The Soviets' food production problems stemmed from their geographical location, latitudinally speaking.

Mister D
02-22-2016, 09:24 PM
I think the point about Zimbawe under black control was more about managerial abilities rather than agricultural abilities.

The Soviets' food production problems stemmed from their geographical location, latitudinally speaking.

Zimbabwe is one example among many. It is my honest opinion that, while colonialism was inherently wrong, independence was granted too early. Yes, that's easy for me to say now from behind a desk in NJ in 2016 but I thin in hindsight it's clear.

The Soviet famine of 1930s was the result of central planning that went horribly wrong. There were also famines in the late 1940s but one could chalk those up to the devastation wrought by the war.

Safety
02-22-2016, 09:31 PM
What rapper thread isn't complete with the accompanying album cover.....

http://www.urbankingsinc.com/store/images/uploads/804227193923.jpg

Mister D
02-22-2016, 09:32 PM
What rapper thread isn't complete with the accompanying album cover.....

http://www.urbankingsinc.com/store/images/uploads/804227193923.jpg

Southland bitches!

JDubya
02-22-2016, 09:39 PM
Zimbabwe is one example among many. It is my honest opinion that, while colonialism was inherently wrong, independence was granted too early. Yes, that's easy for me to say now from behind a desk in NJ in 2016 but I thin in hindsight it's clear.

The Soviet famine of 1930s was the result of central planning that went horribly wrong. There were also famines in the late 1940s but one could chalk those up to the devastation wrought by the war.

Aside from any one or more particular famine events, much of the Soviets' agricultural problems stemmed from the fact that they were located so far North that they had a very short growing season, which cut down on the amount of wheat they were able to produce and hence, made them dependent on us to sell them the difference.

Mac-7
02-22-2016, 09:43 PM
And you are arguing in circles, as I have already established, with the example of white Soviet food problems, that race is not a valid causal connection.



I never said blacks could not pull their own weight.

But so far they have not.

Which is what the debate is about.

white people feed the world.

Mister D
02-22-2016, 09:50 PM
Aside from any one or more particular famine events, much of the Soviets' agricultural problems stemmed from the fact that they were located so far North that they had a very short growing season, which cut down on the amount of wheat they were able to produce and hence, made them dependent on us to sell them the difference.

Russia is an immense country and there are highly fertile areas. The Ukraine, for one example. In fact, prior to the First World War Russian wheat accounted for almost a third of global exports. That's impressive.

OGIS
02-22-2016, 09:52 PM
I think the point about Zimbawe under black control was more about managerial abilities rather than agricultural abilities.

The Soviets' food production problems stemmed from their geographical location, latitudinally speaking.

AFAIK, they don't seem to have as much of a problem now, with a relatively free market economy. From what I understand, the real issues with Soviet food production were:
(1) grain seizures and annihilation of the Kulaks by Lenin caused the original famines.
(2) central planning and the resulting shortages of everything from tractors to fertilizer caused the rest.

JDubya
02-22-2016, 09:53 PM
Russia is an immense country and there are highly fertile areas. The Ukraine, for one example. In fact, prior to the First World War Russian wheat accounted for almost a third of global exports. That's impressive.

Immense and fertile yes, but the grueling winters arrive early and stay late.

Mister D
02-22-2016, 09:55 PM
AFAIK, they don't seem to have as much of a problem now, with a relatively free market economy. From what I understand, the real issues with Soviet food production were:
(1) grain seizures and annihilation of the Kulaks by Lenin caused the original famines.
(2) central planning and the resulting shortages of everything from tractors to fertilizer caused the rest.

Lenin died in 1924. You mean Stalin abut, yes, that was at least partly the cause. As for central planning, it accomplished its goal of turning an economic and cultural backwater into a first rate power.

Mister D
02-22-2016, 09:56 PM
Immense and fertile yes, but the grueling winters arrive early and stay late.

This is true.

Mac-7
02-22-2016, 10:01 PM
Lenin died in 1924. You mean Stalin abut, yes, that was at least partly the cause. As for central planning, it accomplished its goal of turning an economic and cultural backwater into a first rate power.

You'd think a guy like Ogis would hace his communist history memorized.

OGIS
02-23-2016, 12:12 AM
AFAIK, they don't seem to have as much of a problem now, with a relatively free market economy. From what I understand, the real issues with Soviet food production were:
(1) grain seizures and annihilation of the Kulaks by Lenin caused the original famines.
(2) central planning and the resulting shortages of everything from tractors to fertilizer caused the rest.


Lenin died in 1924. You mean Stalin abut, yes, that was at least partly the cause. As for central planning, it accomplished its goal of turning an economic and cultural backwater into a first rate power.

No, I mean Lenin. Lenin died in Jan. 1924. The Famine of 1921 lies essentially at his feet. There were other considerations (general Civil War conditions with all sides "living off the land" and drought. But it was genocide by food seizure. They seized, among other stocks, the seed grain.

"According to the official Bolshevik position, which is still maintained by some modern Marxists, the rich peasants (kulaks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak)) withheld their surplus grain in order to preserve their lives;[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921#cite_note-5) statistics indicate that most of the grain and the other food supplies passed through the black market (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_market).[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921#cite_note-6)[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921#cite_note-7)[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921#cite_note-8) The Bolsheviks believed peasants were actively trying to undermine the war effort. The Black Book of Communism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism) claims that Lenin ordered the seizure of the food peasants had grown for their own subsistence and their seed grain in retaliation for this "sabotage," leading to widespread peasant revolts.[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921#cite_note-FOOTNOTEWerthPann.C3.A9PaczkowskiBartosekMargolin-9) In 1920, Lenin had ordered increased emphasis on food requisitioning from the peasantry."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921


Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

I know that your cultured superior self sneers at the cite-ability of Wikipedia. Fine. Rather than dispensing one of your patented sneers, dispute my cites with an actual authoritative citation that disputes those facts. Actual quotes, citing webpage, would be superlative. Even better, have them sites that are accessible and not hidden behind pay or ad walls.

And it would be nice if your response refrained from weasel words and the straining of word meaning beyond the point of credulity.

Mister D
02-23-2016, 09:10 AM
No, I mean Lenin. Lenin died in Jan. 1924. The Famine of 1921 lies essentially at his feet. There were other considerations (general Civil War conditions with all sides "living off the land" and drought. But it was genocide by food seizure. They seized, among other stocks, the seed grain.

"According to the official Bolshevik position, which is still maintained by some modern Marxists, the rich peasants (kulaks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak)) withheld their surplus grain in order to preserve their lives;[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921#cite_note-5) statistics indicate that most of the grain and the other food supplies passed through the black market (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_market).[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921#cite_note-6)[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921#cite_note-7)[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921#cite_note-8) The Bolsheviks believed peasants were actively trying to undermine the war effort. The Black Book of Communism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism) claims that Lenin ordered the seizure of the food peasants had grown for their own subsistence and their seed grain in retaliation for this "sabotage," leading to widespread peasant revolts.[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921#cite_note-FOOTNOTEWerthPann.C3.A9PaczkowskiBartosekMargolin-9) In 1920, Lenin had ordered increased emphasis on food requisitioning from the peasantry."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921


Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

I know that your cultured superior self sneers at the cite-ability of Wikipedia. Fine. Rather than dispensing one of your patented sneers, dispute my cites with an actual authoritative citation that disputes those facts. Actual quotes, citing webpage, would be superlative. Even better, have them sites that are accessible and not hidden behind pay or ad walls.

And it would be nice if your response refrained from weasel words and the straining of word meaning beyond the point of credulity.

OGIS, you referred to the annihilation of the kulaks. Since you seem to like Wikipedia so much so here goes:


In July 1929 it remained official Soviet policy that the kulak should not be terrorised and should be enlisted into the collective farms (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_farming). Joseph Stalin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin) disagreed with this, saying, "Now we have the opportunity to carry out a resolute offensive against the kulaks, break their resistance, eliminate them as a class and replace their production with the production of kolkhozes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkhoz) andsovkhozes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovkhoz)."[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak#cite_note-13)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak


Again, Lenin died in 1924. You're conflating/confusing the at least partly orchestrated Soviet famine of the 1930s and the Stalinist campaign against the kulak class with the the requisitioning of food by Lenin during the Russian Civil War.

texan
02-23-2016, 10:47 PM
Guy is a well known body guard of stars..................Esp rappers............I have seen him talk and I like him......