Violence & Divisiveness following Mr Trump.........Everywhere!

[Sane Centrist]

Many people in this forum as well as other forums have stated how they believe Donald Trump is not truly a racist, and that he only says & does the things he does to gain support or get the crowds excited.

Mr. Trump himself has all but made the same claims, and he's very honest about spooling people up to keep the energy going.

Whether or not Donald truly feels or believes in his heart all the negative, hateful things he says & does is not for me to say. I don't want to believe that he genuinely feels this way, and he has to know that in a country as diverse as this one, that type of sentiment would eventually turn everybody off and divide the country.

Whatever he truly feels, his supporters are definitely, truly ginned up, and ready for action. The Trump campaign rallies are slowly taking on the resemblance of WWF events complete with people being dragged out, spit on, and beat up while the crowds cheer. (ugly)

Certain people that have attended his events are being stalked weeks afterwards, and are receiving death threats. TV news personalities have been accosted at these events, and have been told point blank that they should leave in order not to be hurt.

All of these instances of violence have been from "white" Trump supporters directed towards only people of color of all nationalities........except other whites. (coincidence?)

White supremacist groups have openly claimed support for Trump with nothing more than a mere whisper from Donald himself saying "no thanks" while he simultaneously tells them: "I understand your anger". (a passive, aggressive acceptance of support?)

This is a person who wants to be president of the greatest melting pot experiment in the world, an experiment that created some of the most technological breakthroughs the world will ever see, an experiment that forged a nation of which most other nations aspired to be.

The tragic irony here is that President Obama has been consistently accused throughout his presidency of tearing this country apart, while Donald (during this campaign to become the next president) has done more damage in these few weeks & months than any other force of nature.

I ask all of you to please take the time to sift through some of these stories below (of which there are dozens) and ask yourselves honestly if you believe what this man is doing is presidential or worthy of your vote.

America has grown even uglier since Donald has thrown his hat into the race, and it's truly about time that all of you Donald supporters asked him to tamper it down, and stick to policies that will enrich all of our lives, and knock off all of the hate & division speech.

I have no problem with Donald being the next president if that's what the country decides as long as he's going to represent & fight for all of us.

But I have a huge problem with a presidential candidate that doesn't have the presence of mind to bring people together while he's campaigning or a candidate that gets people hurt because he's so blinded by his selfish obsession to see his polling numbers inch up.

I Tweeted About Donald Trump. Here's How People Responded.
"Go back to Africa" was one of the more polite messages.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/i-tweeted-about-donald-trump_us_56cdd804e4b041136f18fc9a (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/i-tweeted-about-donald-trump_us_56cdd804e4b041136f18fc9a)

After Protesting at a Trump Rally, I'm Being Targeted By Islamophobes
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rose-hamid-/after-protesting-at-a-trump-rally-im-being-targeted-by-islamaphobes-_b_9305788.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rose-hamid-/after-protesting-at-a-trump-rally-im-being-targeted-by-islamaphobes-_b_9305788.html)

Trump's Success Shows Republicans Are Choosing Anger Over Conservative Ideas
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-j-demas/trumps-success-shows-repu_b_9293624.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-j-demas/trumps-success-shows-repu_b_9293624.html)

Some Trump Supporters Think Lincoln Was Hasty In Freeing The Slaves
Apparently, he shouldn't have issued the Emancipation Proclamation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-voters-slavery-poll_us_56ce0d74e4b041136f193f7f?utm_hp_ref=politi cs (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-voters-slavery-poll_us_56ce0d74e4b041136f193f7f?utm_hp_ref=politi cs)

Donald Trump’s Anti-Muslim Rhetoric Caused 19 Acts of Domestic Terrorism Last Week
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/12/15/donald-trumps-anti-muslim-rhetoric-caused-19-acts-domestic-terrorism-week.html (http://www.politicususa.com/2015/12/15/donald-trumps-anti-muslim-rhetoric-caused-19-acts-domestic-terrorism-week.html)

White supremacists claim Trump as their new best friend: Groups claim candidate's anti-Muslim rhetoric has caused a spike in popularity of their websites and the KKK.


Hate groups across the U.S. are capitalizing on Trump's powerful rhetoric



White supremacy website Stormfront has claimed a traffic spike of up to 40 percent



Leaders say it's because Trump has made it permissible to speak openly about anti-immigration



Monitors of U.S. hate groups are warning that the billionaire's rhetoric encourages racism and violence

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3376045/Donald-Trump-causes-massive-spike-popularity-KKK-website-run-hate-group-forced-upgrade-cope-increased-traffic.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3376045/Donald-Trump-causes-massive-spike-popularity-KKK-website-run-hate-group-forced-upgrade-cope-increased-traffic.html)

White supremacist groups see Trump bump
“He has sparked an insurgency,” Stormfront founder says
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/donald-trump-white-supremacists-216620 (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/donald-trump-white-supremacists-216620)

I've experienced a new level of racism since Donald Trump went after Latinos
Tina Vasquez: “I have never been asked the type of questions I’m now fielding from white people – and I’m not the only one”
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/09/donald-trump-racism-increase-latinos (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/09/donald-trump-racism-increase-latinos)

TIMELINE: Trump’s Racial Demagoguery Is Having Dangerous, Real-Life Consequences
http://americasvoice.org/blog/a-timeline-trumps-racial-demagoguery-is-having-dangerous-real-life-consquences/ (http://americasvoice.org/blog/a-timeline-trumps-racial-demagoguery-is-having-dangerous-real-life-consquences/)

Trump on rally protester: “Maybe he should have been roughed up”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/22/black-activist-punched-at-donald-trump-rally-in-birmingham/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/22/black-activist-punched-at-donald-trump-rally-in-birmingham/)

Donald Trump supporters spit on immigration activist as rally turns violent
Watch a Trump rally in Virginia turn violent after The Donald revs up the crowd with anti-immigrant rhetoric
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/donald_trump_supporters_spit_on_immigration_activi st_as_rally_turns_violent/ (http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/donald_trump_supporters_spit_on_immigration_activi st_as_rally_turns_violent/)

Donald Trump on protester: “I'd like to punch him in the face”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/02/23/donald-trump-nevada-punch-in-the-face/80793586/

[Mister D]

Such hysterics only make me want to vote for the man.

[Sane Centrist]

Such hysterics only make me want to vote for the man.

Fantastic, but now that we both know that you can type at least one sentence, why don't you astonish the both of us with just a little bit more just so I know I'm dealing with a human and not one of those spam-bots???

I mean, I don't want you to get a headache or anything like that, but do you think its possible to actually click on some of the links, read some of the stories, and come back with some really, intellectually savvy comments on the subject?

[Matty]

Fantastic, but now that we both know that you can type at least one sentence, why don't you astonish the both of us with just a little bit more just so I know I'm dealing with a human and not one of those spam-bots???

I mean, I don't want you to get a headache or anything like that, but do you think its possible to actually click on some of the links, read some of the stories, and come back with some really, intellectually savvy comments on the subject?





Wow! Is that a leftist thing? I've heard that shit before! Why do you people do that?

[Matty]

They don't come any more divisive than Obama and you leftists whine about Trump?

[Mister D]

Fantastic, but now that we both know that you can type at least one sentence, why don't you astonish the both of us with just a little bit more just so I know I'm dealing with a human and not one of those spam-bots???

I mean, I don't want you to get a headache or anything like that, but do you think its possible to actually click on some of the links, read some of the stories, and come back with some really, intellectually savvy comments on the subject?

Violence is following Trump everywhere? What should that evoke but dismissive laughter? Divisiveness is following Trump everywhere? That's called politics, Mr. Saavy. lol

I'm sorry you put so much effort into your hysterics but that doesn't make the OP any less silly. Get a grip.

[Mister D]

Wow! Is that a leftist thing? I've heard that $#@! before! Why do you people do that?

I'll send out a racist tweet in support of Trump so Silly Centrist has some material for tomorrow.

[Ethereal]

People are angry, regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum. And when people are angry, their anger can manifest itself in divisive or even violent ways. But Democrats have proven beyond any doubt that they treat violence and divisiveness differently depending on its origin. If it's a mob of squatters creating a gigantic nuisance and disturbance in NYC or millions of foreign nationals illegally occupying America, they have little problem with that. But if it's a bunch of white, conservative Christians, then it's the most evil thing in the world.

I say the more divisiveness, the better. Division is precisely what America needs. The "union" is an abysmal joke that needs to be dissolved. The idea that Democrats, Republicans, progressives, conservatives, libertarians, socialists, etc. should share sovereignty within the context of a unitary political system is insane nonsense. These factions hate each other. Coexistence is impossible. So divide away, Trump. Sanders, too. The more polarizing a figure is, the more I support them. Anything to end this awful centralist nightmare.

[Dr. Who]

Many people in this forum as well as other forums have stated how they believe Donald Trump is not truly a racist, and that he only says & does the things he does to gain support or get the crowds excited.

Mr. Trump himself has all but made the same claims, and he's very honest about spooling people up to keep the energy going.

Whether or not Donald truly feels or believes in his heart all the negative, hateful things he says & does is not for me to say. I don't want to believe that he genuinely feels this way, and he has to know that in a country as diverse as this one, that type of sentiment would eventually turn everybody off and divide the country.

Whatever he truly feels, his supporters are definitely, truly ginned up, and ready for action. The Trump campaign rallies are slowly taking on the resemblance of WWF events complete with people being dragged out, spit on, and beat up while the crowds cheer. (ugly)

Certain people that have attended his events are being stalked weeks afterwards, and are receiving death threats. TV news personalities have been accosted at these events, and have been told point blank that they should leave in order not to be hurt.

All of these instances of violence have been from "white" Trump supporters directed towards only people of color of all nationalities........except other whites. (coincidence?)

White supremacist groups have openly claimed support for Trump with nothing more than a mere whisper from Donald himself saying "no thanks" while he simultaneously tells them: "I understand your anger". (a passive, aggressive acceptance of support?)

This is a person who wants to be president of the greatest melting pot experiment in the world, an experiment that created some of the most technological breakthroughs the world will ever see, an experiment that forged a nation of which most other nations aspired to be.

The tragic irony here is that President Obama has been consistently accused throughout his presidency of tearing this country apart, while Donald (during this campaign to become the next president) has done more damage in these few weeks & months than any other force of nature.

I ask all of you to please take the time to sift through some of these stories below (of which there are dozens) and ask yourselves honestly if you believe what this man is doing is presidential or worthy of your vote.

America has grown even uglier since Donald has thrown his hat into the race, and it's truly about time that all of you Donald supporters asked him to tamper it down, and stick to policies that will enrich all of our lives, and knock off all of the hate & division speech.

I have no problem with Donald being the next president if that's what the country decides as long as he's going to represent & fight for all of us.

But I have a huge problem with a presidential candidate that doesn't have the presence of mind to bring people together while he's campaigning or a candidate that gets people hurt because he's so blinded by his selfish obsession to see his polling numbers inch up.

I Tweeted About Donald Trump. Here's How People Responded.
"Go back to Africa" was one of the more polite messages.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/i-tweeted-about-donald-trump_us_56cdd804e4b041136f18fc9a (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/i-tweeted-about-donald-trump_us_56cdd804e4b041136f18fc9a)

After Protesting at a Trump Rally, I'm Being Targeted By Islamophobes
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rose-hamid-/after-protesting-at-a-trump-rally-im-being-targeted-by-islamaphobes-_b_9305788.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rose-hamid-/after-protesting-at-a-trump-rally-im-being-targeted-by-islamaphobes-_b_9305788.html)

Trump's Success Shows Republicans Are Choosing Anger Over Conservative Ideas
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-j-demas/trumps-success-shows-repu_b_9293624.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-j-demas/trumps-success-shows-repu_b_9293624.html)

Some Trump Supporters Think Lincoln Was Hasty In Freeing The Slaves
Apparently, he shouldn't have issued the Emancipation Proclamation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-voters-slavery-poll_us_56ce0d74e4b041136f193f7f?utm_hp_ref=politi cs (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-voters-slavery-poll_us_56ce0d74e4b041136f193f7f?utm_hp_ref=politi cs)

Donald Trump’s Anti-Muslim Rhetoric Caused 19 Acts of Domestic Terrorism Last Week
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/12/15/donald-trumps-anti-muslim-rhetoric-caused-19-acts-domestic-terrorism-week.html (http://www.politicususa.com/2015/12/15/donald-trumps-anti-muslim-rhetoric-caused-19-acts-domestic-terrorism-week.html)

White supremacists claim Trump as their new best friend: Groups claim candidate's anti-Muslim rhetoric has caused a spike in popularity of their websites and the KKK.

Hate groups across the U.S. are capitalizing on Trump's powerful rhetoric


White supremacy website Stormfront has claimed a traffic spike of up to 40 percent


Leaders say it's because Trump has made it permissible to speak openly about anti-immigration


Monitors of U.S. hate groups are warning that the billionaire's rhetoric encourages racism and violence
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3376045/Donald-Trump-causes-massive-spike-popularity-KKK-website-run-hate-group-forced-upgrade-cope-increased-traffic.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3376045/Donald-Trump-causes-massive-spike-popularity-KKK-website-run-hate-group-forced-upgrade-cope-increased-traffic.html)

White supremacist groups see Trump bump
“He has sparked an insurgency,” Stormfront founder says
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/donald-trump-white-supremacists-216620 (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/donald-trump-white-supremacists-216620)

I've experienced a new level of racism since Donald Trump went after Latinos
Tina Vasquez: “I have never been asked the type of questions I’m now fielding from white people – and I’m not the only one”
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/09/donald-trump-racism-increase-latinos (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/09/donald-trump-racism-increase-latinos)

TIMELINE: Trump’s Racial Demagoguery Is Having Dangerous, Real-Life Consequences
http://americasvoice.org/blog/a-timeline-trumps-racial-demagoguery-is-having-dangerous-real-life-consquences/ (http://americasvoice.org/blog/a-timeline-trumps-racial-demagoguery-is-having-dangerous-real-life-consquences/)

Trump on rally protester: “Maybe he should have been roughed up”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/22/black-activist-punched-at-donald-trump-rally-in-birmingham/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/22/black-activist-punched-at-donald-trump-rally-in-birmingham/)

Donald Trump supporters spit on immigration activist as rally turns violent
Watch a Trump rally in Virginia turn violent after The Donald revs up the crowd with anti-immigrant rhetoric
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/donald_trump_supporters_spit_on_immigration_activi st_as_rally_turns_violent/ (http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/donald_trump_supporters_spit_on_immigration_activi st_as_rally_turns_violent/)

Donald Trump on protester: “I'd like to punch him in the face”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/02/23/donald-trump-nevada-punch-in-the-face/80793586/


Sorry CS, but the people who want to follow Trump into the breach, don't want any uncomfortable thoughts spoiling the trip. They just want to close their eyes and jump and hope that they will enjoy a soft landing.

[Matty]

I'll send out a racist tweet in support of Trump so Silly Centrist has some material for tomorrow.


Send del a hamster, so he'll know what a human looks like.

[Ethereal]

Sorry CS, but the people who want to follow Trump into the breach, don't want any uncomfortable thoughts spoiling the trip. They just want to close their eyes and jump and hope that they will enjoy a soft landing.

They want a government that represents their values and their interests, just like everyone else in the world.

[Mister D]

They want a government that represents their values and their interests, just like everyone else in the world.

It is interesting that the critics of the establishment invariably rally around it when it's threatened. Hopelessly bourgeois phonies the lot of them.

[Ethereal]

It is interesting that the critics of the establishment invariably rally around it when it's threatened. Hopelessly bourgeois phonies the lot of them.

I understand their reservations. I don't want Trump and his supporters deciding my political destiny either. But they fail to realize that this potentiality is a direct consequence of the nationalist "union" they place at the center of their political belief system. So as long as they insist on being in a dysfunctional political marriage with Trump supporters, they run the risk of being ruled by him and his supporters. So while I understand their fear of this possibility, they have no one but themselves to blame.

[Ethereal]

I kind of hope Trump wins just so I can watch Democrats turn back into government-hating radicals. All of a sudden, they will mysteriously rediscover their skepticism of centralized political power and everything Trump does will need to be severely scrutinized and questioned. Once again, dissent will become the highest form of patriotism. Won't that be swell.

[Cigar]

Donald Trump is what you see, now if you believe what you're seeing, that maybe something else.

I'm just going to sit back and remember what is being said now, and remind everyone on the Wednesday after :grin:

I've said it Two Elections in a Row, the Key Word is DEMOGRAPHICS and now 4 more year have pasted.

The Look ... yes the Look, will be Priceless :laugh:

But But But But why didn't All those The Blaa People, Murderers & Rapist, Baby Killers, Fags & Queers and Camel Jockeys, and Takers didn't Vote for our Candidate .... ?

[Dr. Who]

They want a government that represents their values and their interests, just like everyone else in the world.
Which would be nice if Trump actually did so, but a study of Trump's life to this point will tell you that he will say whatever people want him to say, to make the deal. It's what he does. His face should show up as the definition of an opportunist. His legacy in terms of people who were persuaded to come along for the ride is not pretty. He's pretty treacherous and an egomaniac, which has been his ultimate downfall in business. His need for personal adoration outweighs common sense. This is not a man that you want leading a nation. He doesn't listen to advisers because he thinks that he's smarter than everyone. He has no humility or loyalty.

[Mister D]

I understand their reservations. I don't want Trump and his supporters deciding my political destiny either. But they fail to realize that this potentiality is a direct consequence of the nationalist "union" they place at the center of their political belief system. So as long as they insist on being a dysfunctional political marriage with Trump supporters, they run the risk of being ruled by him and his supporters. So while I understand their fear of this possibility, they have no one but themselves to blame.

If this fear could be expressed rationally I would be willing to listen. Linking to horrifying "tweets" and expressing ridiculous concerns about what the 12 guys in the KKK are doing just doesn't suggest rationality to me. I really don't understand this fear and, quite frankly, I don't think the fearful do either. They always seem to find reason to support the status quo.

[Mister D]

Which would be nice if Trump actually did so, but a study of Trump's life to this point will tell you that he will say whatever people want him to say, to make the deal. It's what he does. His face should show up as the definition of an opportunist. His legacy in terms of people who were persuaded to come along for the ride is not pretty. He's pretty treacherous and an egomaniac, which has been his ultimate downfall in business. His need for personal adoration outweighs common sense. This is not a man that you want leading a nation. He doesn't listen to advisers because he thinks that he's smarter than everyone. He has no humility or loyalty.

Now I understand, Ethereal. Hillary Clinton, for example, presents a clear contrast to this lying, egotistical Mr. Trump and...oh wait lol

[Matty]

I love how the libtards have spread divisiveness like honey over a biscuit, now when Trump does it they don't much cotton to it, what is wrong with these people?

[Ethereal]

Which would be nice if Trump actually did so, but a study of Trump's life to this point will tell you that he will say whatever people want him to say, to make the deal. It's what he does. His face should show up as the definition of an opportunist. His legacy in terms of people who were persuaded to come along for the ride is not pretty. He's pretty treacherous and an egomaniac, which has been his ultimate downfall in business. His need for personal adoration outweighs common sense. This is not a man that you want leading a nation. He doesn't listen to advisers because he thinks that he's smarter than everyone. He has no humility or loyalty.

You can't lead a "nation" that doesn't exist in any meaningful sense, but whether or not he's sincere is besides the point. Perhaps he is and perhaps he isn't. But his rhetoric and polemics represent the values and interests of his supporters, so that is why they support him. They want what everyone else wants, a government that represents them.

[Dr. Who]

Now I understand, Ethereal. Hillary Clinton, for example, presents a clear contrast to this lying, egotistical Mr. Trump and...oh wait lol
I'm not Ethereal and I also have no admiration for Mrs Clinton.

[Cigar]

Which would be nice if Trump actually did so, but a study of Trump's life to this point will tell you that he will say whatever people want him to say, to make the deal. It's what he does. His face should show up as the definition of an opportunist. His legacy in terms of people who were persuaded to come along for the ride is not pretty. He's pretty treacherous and an egomaniac, which has been his ultimate downfall in business. His need for personal adoration outweighs common sense. This is not a man that you want leading a nation. He doesn't listen to advisers because he thinks that he's smarter than everyone. He has no humility or loyalty.

I watched Donald Trump call his Voters Poorly Educated yesterday and they Cheered like crazy ... :huh:

http://media.giphy.com/media/hDwYu8UEcUone/giphy.gif


Trump is Good ... Really Good ...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/b5be51b2f89815eccbf1c257da019229/tumblr_n23hfynlyS1s5tlmxo1_500.gif

[Sane Centrist]

Sorry CS, but the people who want to follow Trump into the breach, don't want any uncomfortable thoughts spoiling the trip. They just want to close their eyes and jump and hope that they will enjoy a soft landing.

First rational reply yet.........

I'm starting to think that there isn't one conservative in this forum that can just answer a post without sounding like a juvenile delinquent who can't control himself to vomit the words: "liberal leftist"

That seems to be the answer to anything anybody writes in here.

What time is it today....."your a liberal leftist commie"

What do you think about the new Chevy's....."your a liberal leftist commie"

How do you think the Yankees are going to do this year............"your a liberal leftist commie"

Who do you think will win next years election............"your a liberal leftist commie"

Jesus freaking Christ these people.

They all completely ignore everything you write, and just go for the jugular without even engaging any thought into what their saying, and when faced with anything past a "one line insult" (which is all they seem to be good for) they're completely lost.

This isn't place for adults to discuss politics, it's juvenile hall for all of Welcome Back Kotter's rejects.

How the hell do you stand it Dr. Who??

[Sane Centrist]

I watched Donald Trump call his Voters Poorly Educated yesterday and they Cheered like crazy ... :huh:

http://media.giphy.com/media/hDwYu8UEcUone/giphy.gif


Trump is Good ... Really Good ...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/b5be51b2f89815eccbf1c257da019229/tumblr_n23hfynlyS1s5tlmxo1_500.gif


You hit the nail on the head..........

[Mister D]

I'm not Ethereal and I also have no admiration for Mrs Clinton.

I wasn't talking to you.

But you do have a lot to day about Trump that applies equally well if not more so to several of our picked establishment candidates.

[Sane Centrist]

Wow! Is that a leftist thing? I've heard that $#@! before! Why do you people do that?

I triple dare you to say anything without the word "leftist"....................:thinking:

8........7........6.........5..........4.......... 3..........2...........GO

[Cigar]

You hit the nail on the head..........

Personally I believe a Donald Trump Presidency will only solidify an Obama face on Mount Rushmore :laugh:

[Matty]

I triple dare you to say anything without the word leftist....................:thinking:

8........7........6.........5..........4.......... 3..........2...........GO


L e f t I s t.

[Mister D]

You can't lead a "nation" that doesn't exist in any meaningful sense, but whether or not he's sincere is besides the point. Perhaps he is and perhaps he isn't. But his rhetoric and polemics represent the values and interests of his supporters, so that is why they support him. They want what everyone else wants, a government that represents them.

Maybe their dismay stems from the fact that he is appealing to those people. :wink:

[Ethereal]

First rational reply yet.........

Of course, it's just a big coincidence that the only "rational" reply so far is the one you happen to agree with...

[Cigar]

I'm not Ethereal and I also have no admiration for Mrs Clinton.

You probably count on one hand how many Presidents are admirable ... not a must-have in the Job requirement.

[Ethereal]

Maybe their dismay stems from the fact that he is appealing to those people. :wink:

I think it stems from the fact that they genuinely believe anyone who doesn't think like them is insane or ignorant. Just look at the person who started the thread: "Sane Centrist"

His name automatically implies that anyone who doesn't think like him in insane. These are the kind of people we're dealing with.

[Sane Centrist]

Violence is following Trump everywhere? What should that evoke but dismissive laughter? Divisiveness is following Trump everywhere? That's called politics, Mr. Saavy. lol

I'm sorry you put so much effort into your hysterics but that doesn't make the OP any less silly. Get a grip.

Ok, well let me know when your done with armature hour so we can actually discuss this. You know, if you wanted to be a comedian you'd do much better to actually take all of the lame material you fling in here and try your luck in LA at any one of the several comedy clubs out there.

If that doesn't work out you could always try your luck on Sunset Strip by taking it out in trade....

Please.........let me know when your done.

Now, can we please deal with the FACT that at almost every rally Mr. Trump has, people are losing their minds by terrorizing anyone who has an opinion other than what their messiah spews, and they usually pay for that opposing view with a fist to the face or a threat of death?

Can we deal with the FACT that hate crimes in this country have spiked since he's been on the campaign trail, or do you have any more sophomoric, moronic replies' to throw at me?

Can we deal with the FACT that almost every white supremacist hate group in this country has come out in full support of Mr. Trump, while Mr. Trump has been "tacit" at best in denouncing them?

Come on, dig down deep and impress me with something past the same old lame @$$ replies that I see in here constantly.

[Dr. Who]

You can't lead a "nation" that doesn't exist in any meaningful sense, but whether or not he's sincere is besides the point. Perhaps he is and perhaps he isn't. But his rhetoric and polemics represent the values and interests of his supporters, so that is why they support him. They want what everyone else wants, a government that represents them.
You cannot run a country based on emotional outbursts and simplistic promises that completely ignore political and economic realities. To run a campaign based on spurious and misleading promises that involve matters not even within American control, like building walls that another country will pay for is utter mendacity. To suggest that he will remove 11M illegal immigrants without allowing that the same big business that supports the Republican party representatives, employs most of those 11M illegals and will not receive support from Congress is, at best, misleading. Laughably, he's not even really a conservative. He's a chameleon, a proverbial shape-shifter who is capitalizing on American paranoia and insecurities. It may be an interesting political experiment, but it may also be an unmitigated political disaster of unprecedented proportions that leaves America with few allies in the world.

[Cigar]

Ok, well let me know when your done with armature hour so we can actually discuss this. You know, if you wanted to be a comedian you'd do much better to actually take all of the lame material you fling in here and try your luck in LA at any one of the several comedy clubs out there.

If that doesn't work out you could always try your luck on Sunset Strip by taking it out in trade....

Please.........let me know when your done.

Now, can we please deal with the FACT that at almost every rally Mr. Trump has, people are losing their minds by terrorizing anyone who has an opinion other than what their messiah spews, and they usually pay for that opposing view with a fist to the face or a threat of death?

Can we deal with the FACT that hate crimes in this country have spiked since he's been on the campaign trail, or do you have any more sophomoric, moronic replies' to throw at me?

Can we deal with the FACT that almost every white supremacist hate group in this country has come out in full support of Mr. Trump, while Mr. Trump has been "tacit" at best in denouncing them?

Come on, dig down deep and impress me with something past the same old lame @$$ replies that I see in here constantly.

Wasn't it Donald Trump who said he should punch someone in the Face .... ? :huh:

I'd pay CASH to see it, actually I'd put up my Cash and my Face for him to try. :grin:

Without Security Guards ... I'm not that much younger the Donald. :wink:

[Dr. Who]

I wasn't talking to you.

But you do have a lot to day about Trump that applies equally well if not more so to several of our picked establishment candidates.
You responded to my post.

[Cigar]

You cannot run a country based on emotional outbursts and simplistic promises that completely ignore political and economic realities. To run a campaign based on spurious and misleading promises that involve matters not even within American control, like building walls that another country will pay for is utter mendacity. To suggest that he will remove 11M illegal immigrants without allowing that the same big business that supports the Republican party representatives, employs most of those 11M illegals and will not receive support from Congress is, at best, misleading. Laughably, he's not even really a conservative. He's a chameleon, a proverbial shape-shifter who is capitalizing on American paranoia and insecurities. It may be an interesting political experiment, but it may also be an unmitigated political disaster of unprecedented proportions that leaves America with few allies in the world.

The Dude would be up all night Striking Back at ISIS on Twitter .... :laugh:

[Sane Centrist]

People are angry, regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum. And when people are angry, their anger can manifest itself in divisive or even violent ways. But Democrats have proven beyond any doubt that they treat violence and divisiveness differently depending on its origin. If it's a mob of squatters creating a gigantic nuisance and disturbance in NYC or millions of foreign nationals illegally occupying America, they have little problem with that. But if it's a bunch of white, conservative Christians, then it's the most evil thing in the world.

I say the more divisiveness, the better. Division is precisely what America needs. The "union" is an abysmal joke that needs to be dissolved. The idea that Democrats, Republicans, progressives, conservatives, libertarians, socialists, etc. should share sovereignty within the context of a unitary political system is insane nonsense. These factions hate each other. Coexistence is impossible. So divide away, Trump. Sanders, too. The more polarizing a figure is, the more I support them. Anything to end this awful centralist nightmare.

Fine, and believe it or not I respect your views because at least you're honest about them.

So what your basically saying is that your anti-American, and you hate everything she stands for, everything that made her great, and subdivisions are fine with you.

You know years ago the rock group "Rush" wrote a song called sub-divisions........

You should give it a listen if you've never heard it.

I don't know you, but you are an American, therefore I have no choice but to stand with you if a foreign power were to try to conquer us.

I would have no other choice other than to help you if you needed help, and I would have no other choice other than to support your rights to bear arms and speak your mind freely if someone were to try to take those rights away from you.

That's what unity is all about my anti-American friend, and how this is lost on you completely baffles me.

[Ethereal]

You cannot run a country based on emotional outbursts and simplistic promises that completely ignore political and economic realities. To run a campaign based on spurious and misleading promises that involve matters not even within American control, like building walls that another country will pay for is utter mendacity. To suggest that he will remove 11M illegal immigrants without allowing that the same big business that supports the Republican party representatives, employs most of those 11M illegals and will not receive support from Congress is, at best, misleading. Laughably, he's not even really a conservative. He's a chameleon, a proverbial shape-shifter who is capitalizing on American paranoia and insecurities. It may be an interesting political experiment, but it may also be an unmitigated political disaster of unprecedented proportions that leaves America with few allies in the world.

You cannot run a country that doesn't exist. That is the first point. The idea of the "USA" is held together purely by force and fraud. So whoever ends up "running" or "leading" it will be managing a farce, not a country.

Secondly, whether Trump's ideas are practical or not is besides the point. They are the ideas that his supporters endorse, and that's what matters. Those ideas, practical or not, represent the deepest aspirations of millions of Americans. And just like everyone else in the world, they have the perfectly reasonable expectation that their political system will represent their aspirations and their dreams, not mock and deride them. So what's the problem? I realize that you think Trump is a phony and that his ideas are bad ideas, but that is just your opinion, one that his millions of supporters do not share. Does that automatically imply that they haven't thought things through? That they don't know what they're asking for? I don't see how it does.

[Dr. Who]

First rational reply yet.........

I'm starting to think that there isn't one conservative in this forum that can just answer a post without sounding like a juvenile delinquent who can't control himself to vomit the words: "liberal leftist"

That seems to be the answer to anything anybody writes in here.

What time is it today....."your a liberal leftist commie"

What do you think about the new Chevy's....."your a liberal leftist commie"

How do you think the Yankees are going to do this year............"your a liberal leftist commie"

Who do you think will win next years election............"your a liberal leftist commie"

Jesus freaking Christ these people.

They all completely ignore everything you write, and just go for the jugular without even engaging any thought into what their saying, and when faced with anything past a "one line insult" (which is all they seem to be good for) they're completely lost.

This isn't place for adults to discuss politics, it's juvenile hall for all of Welcome Back Kotter's rejects.

How the hell do you stand it Dr. Who??
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[Ethereal]

Fine, and believe it or not I respect your views because at least you're honest about them.

So what your basically saying is that your anti-American, and you hate everything she stands for, everything that made her great, and subdivisions are fine with you.

How did you arrive at that conclusion?


You know years ago the rock group "Rush" wrote a song called sub-divisions........

You should give it a listen if you've never heard it.

I don't know you, but you are an American, therefore I have no choice but to stand with you if a foreign power were to try to conquer us.

I would have no other choice other than to help you if you needed help, and I would have no other choice other than to support your rights to bear arms and speak your mind freely if someone were to try to take those rights away from you.

That's what unity is all about my anti-American friend, and how this is lost on you completely baffles me.

Unity implies common interests and values. But such commonality is severely lacking among the various factions that comprise the abstract political whole within the USA, so any "unity" you think exists is purely imaginary.

[Ethereal]

And isn't it incredibly ironic that "Sane Centrist" accuses me of being "anti-American" and hating America while citing "unity"? Is that your idea of "unity", accusing your fellow "Americans" of hating their own country?

[Sane Centrist]

I kind of hope Trump wins just so I can watch Democrats turn back into government-hating radicals.

I know what you mean......

Sort of the way conservatives lost their minds 7 years ago when Barack Obama became the 44th president of this country, and they were so incensed about it that they made secret pacts to say no to everything he would ever try to put forth, as well as create a third party filled with anarchist, lunatics hell bent on burning down the government, throwing all sane republicans out, while they called themselves the Tea Party.

Oh, and I'm forgetting also that they just in general played partisan politics while they held America for ransom ever since their creation, and that they made history by being the most disrespectful lot a sitting US president has ever had to endure - complete with lunatics calling him a liar in the middle of a state of the union address.

Yeah, yeah I see what you mean.............:facepalm:

[Sane Centrist]

Which would be nice if Trump actually did so, but a study of Trump's life to this point will tell you that he will say whatever people want him to say, to make the deal. It's what he does. His face should show up as the definition of an opportunist. His legacy in terms of people who were persuaded to come along for the ride is not pretty. He's pretty treacherous and an egomaniac, which has been his ultimate downfall in business. His need for personal adoration outweighs common sense. This is not a man that you want leading a nation. He doesn't listen to advisers because he thinks that he's smarter than everyone. He has no humility or loyalty.

Jesus Christ your a genius............

I don't know what you do for a living but your underpaid............

WELL........WELL........WELL SAID!!!!!!!:applause:

[Ethereal]

I know what you mean......

Sort of the way conservatives lost their minds 7 years ago when Barack Obama became the 44th president of this country, and they were so incensed about it that they made secret pacts to say no to everything he would ever try to put forth, as well as create a third party filled with anarchist, lunatics hell bent on burning down the government, throwing all sane republicans out, while they called themselves the Tea Party.

Oh, and I'm forgetting also that they just in general played partisan politics while they held America for ransom ever since their creation, and that they made history by being the most disrespectful lot a sitting US president has ever had to endure - complete with lunatics calling him a liar in the middle of a state of the union address.

Yeah, yeah I see what you mean.............:facepalm:

The implication being that I'm a conservative Republican?

[Don]

If this fear could be expressed rationally I would be willing to listen. Linking to horrifying "tweets" and expressing ridiculous concerns about what the 12 guys in the KKK are doing just doesn't suggest rationality to me. I really don't understand this fear and, quite frankly, I don't think the fearful do either. They always seem to find reason to support the status quo.

I heard its more like 75 guys in the KKK. The problem is that 55 of them are undercover FBI agents pretending to be klansmen in an attempt to entrap nuts who talk the talk into walking the walk. Makes big news. Especially when you find out that the bombs they "catch" them with were supplied to them by those agents. Same thing with the homegrown tallybanners. :laugh:

[Sane Centrist]

If this fear could be expressed rationally I would be willing to listen. Linking to horrifying "tweets" and expressing ridiculous concerns about what the 12 guys in the KKK are doing just doesn't suggest rationality to me. I really don't understand this fear and, quite frankly, I don't think the fearful do either. They always seem to find reason to support the status quo.

It's much more worse & pervasive than that, and we both know it, and your not being an honest broker here.

I could post literally hundreds of stories of: "The Trump Affect" and none of it is any good, nor is any of it any good for the country.

Look, if a Democrat was acting & behaving the way Trump is I would be slamming that Democrat just as hard.

Believe what you want, but this is not a left / right thing for me which is all you people to seem to concentrate on in here.

This is a "wrong thing" period, and quite honestly my political ideology has nothing to do with my concerns about Mr. Trump.

[Dr. Who]

You cannot run a country that doesn't exist. That is the first point. The idea of the "USA" is held together purely by force and fraud. So whoever ends up "running" or "leading" it will be managing a farce, not a country.

Secondly, whether Trump's ideas are practical or not is besides the point. They are the ideas that his supporters endorse, and that's what matters. Those ideas, practical or not, represent the deepest aspirations of millions of Americans. And just like everyone else in the world, they have the perfectly reasonable expectation that their political system will represent their aspirations and their dreams, not mock and deride them. So what's the problem? I realize that you think Trump is a phony and that his ideas are bad ideas, but that is just your opinion, one that his millions of supporters do not share. Does that automatically imply that they haven't thought things through? That they don't know what they're asking for? I don't see how it does.
Knee jerk choices for a candidate who may well be the next Adolf Hitler has been proven to be ultimately harmful to countries. The media amps up emotions about selected obvious populist political issues to the point where the perception of ill effect actually exceeds its actual impact. That doesn't mean that these are not legitimate issues, but it's a shell game that distracts from other equally or more legitimate issues that may have even greater impact on the economy and on the lives of most citizens and are never mentioned. The media keeps saying - hey look - shiny to the public, while remaining silent on the really egregious but ultimately ( from a public perspective) boring issues that are transpiring on a daily basis in Congress.

[Ethereal]

It's much more worse & pervasive than that, and we both know it, and your not being an honest broker here.

I could post literally hundreds of stories of: "The Trump Affect" and none of it is any good, nor is any of it any good for the country.

Look, if a Democrat was acting & behaving the way Trump is I would be slamming that Democrat just as hard.

Believe what you want, but this is not a left / right thing for me which is all you people to seem to concentrate on in here.

This is a "wrong thing" period, and quite honestly my political ideology has nothing to do with my concerns about Mr. Trump.

If Trump becomes the President and he runs roughshod over your beliefs, you have no one but yourself to blame, since you insist on remaining in a dysfunctional political marriage with people who do not share core interests and values with you.

[Ethereal]

Knee jerk choices for a candidate who may well be the next Adolf Hitler has been proven to be ultimately harmful to countries. The media amps up emotions about selected obvious populist political issues to the point where the perception of ill effect actually exceeds its actual impact. That doesn't mean that these are not legitimate issues, but it's a shell game that distracts from other equally or more legitimate issues that may have even greater impact on the economy and on the lives of most citizens and are never mentioned. The media keeps saying - hey look - shiny to the public, while remaining silent on the really egregious but ultimately ( from a public perspective) boring issues that are transpiring on a daily basis in Congress.

The establishment is terrified of Trump and Sanders, and it's because they both represent clear threats to the status quo. That's fine by me. Anything is better than what we have now. The system needs to be shaken up, and radically so. If that means we need to threaten the system with a fascist or a Marxist, then so be it.

[Sane Centrist]

L e f t I s t.

I love you, really, I do............you are too precious for words......

I bet your the one who puts the milk & cookies out for Santa every year aren't you......:smiley_ROFLMAO::smiley_ROFLMAO::smiley_R OFLMAO:

[Sane Centrist]

I think it stems from the fact that they genuinely believe anyone who doesn't think like them is insane or ignorant. Just look at the person who started the thread: "Sane Centrist"

His name automatically implies that anyone who doesn't think like him in insane. These are the kind of people we're dealing with.

Seriously...........:shakeshead:

You're giving the term "reaching" new heights here.

[Cigar]

I love you, really, I do............you are too precious for words......

I bet your the one who puts the milk & cookies out for Santa every year aren't you......:smiley_ROFLMAO::smiley_ROFLMAO::smiley_R OFLMAO:

You know how Santa likes to dip his Cookie in Milk :grin:

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7348/11174576094_c0018cf3fa_b.jpg

[Ethereal]

Seriously...........:shakeshead:

You're giving the term "reaching" new heights here.

Well, let's see. You call yourself "Sane Centrist", which would imply that anyone who doesn't agree with you is not sane.

You say that Dr. Who had the only rational response, meaning everyone else's responses were irrational. The fact that it's the response you agree with is purely coincidental, I'm sure.

And you accuse me of hating America because I think the US political system is deeply flawed.

So there is ample reason to characterize your views like I did.

[Sane Centrist]

You cannot run a country based on emotional outbursts and simplistic promises that completely ignore political and economic realities. To run a campaign based on spurious and misleading promises that involve matters not even within American control, like building walls that another country will pay for is utter mendacity. To suggest that he will remove 11M illegal immigrants without allowing that the same big business that supports the Republican party representatives, employs most of those 11M illegals and will not receive support from Congress is, at best, misleading. Laughably, he's not even really a conservative. He's a chameleon, a proverbial shape-shifter who is capitalizing on American paranoia and insecurities. It may be an interesting political experiment, but it may also be an unmitigated political disaster of unprecedented proportions that leaves America with few allies in the world.


And the most intelligent human being on the planet is................Dr. Who....:applause:

[Ethereal]

Hey, as long as you say what the "Sane" Centrist wants to hear, then you are rational and intelligent.

[Cigar]

And the most intelligent human being on the planet is................Dr. Who....:applause:

Just savor those Looks on Wednesday November 9th .... I'm predicting a noticeable absence on this Forum that day. :grin:

[Ethereal]

This is so typical of some Democrats. They really believe they are the only "sane", "rational", "intelligent" people in the world, and that anyone who appreciably deviates from their Democrat dogma is some kind of ignoramus or extremist. It never occurred to them that millions of people view them in a similar fashion.

[Cigar]

This is so typical of some Democrats. They really believe they are the only "sane", "rational", "intelligent" people in the world, and that anyone who appreciably deviates from their Democrat dogma is some kind of ignoramus or extremist. It never occurred to them that millions of people view them in a similar fashion.

Ok ... here's a test;

Are you really expecting a Wall to be built and Mexico to pay for it?

Are you expecting 12 Million people to be deported?

After all, you're sane, rational and intelligent. :wink:

[Sane Centrist]

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

You said at least (in five different ways) how you are no fan of unity.

I got as far as the 12th grade, graduated, and then managed to get through college with decent grades, so I'm pretty sure my comprehension skills are in tact.

If you didn't not mean this, then I would suggest that you take a look at what you wrote because it sure looks that way.


Unity implies common interests and values. But such commonality is severely lacking among the various factions that comprise the abstract political whole within the USA, so any "unity" you think exists is purely imaginary.

If You were running for president, would your speeches send a message to all Americans that you will fight on all of their behalf's, or only for a few?

Answer this question, and I promise to put it to bed.

[Sane Centrist]

And isn't it incredibly ironic that "Sane Centrist" accuses me of being "anti-American" and hating America while citing "unity"? Is that your idea of "unity", accusing your fellow "Americans" of hating their own country?

I only said that because you said that you were no fan of unity, but how about you clue everybody on everything else I said about what I would do for you...........my fellow American.......that I sincerely meant by the way.

[Sane Centrist]

The implication being that I'm a conservative Republican?

No............of course not.

But of course you already knew that.

[Safety]

I heard its more like 75 guys in the KKK. The problem is that 55 of them are undercover FBI agents pretending to be klansmen in an attempt to entrap nuts who talk the talk into walking the walk. Makes big news. Especially when you find out that the bombs they "catch" them with were supplied to them by those agents. Same thing with the homegrown tallybanners. :laugh:

Maybe so, but it seems like every couple of months a Sheriff deputy is fired for involvement in the klan, especially in Florida. Now that may not mean much to some, but to the ones that the klan targets, it says a lot to have a person who is tasked with the authority to use lethal force in their line of duty. Imagine if the roles were reversed and the NBPP had the history that the klan is notorious for, and had officers roaming around in your neck of the woods.

[Dr. Who]

The establishment is terrified of Trump and Sanders, and it's because they both represent clear threats to the status quo. That's fine by me. Anything is better than what we have now. The system needs to be shaken up, and radically so. If that means we need to threaten the system with a fascist or a Marxist, then so be it.
I would prefer the honest idealism of a Sanders over the egomania of a Trump. The idealist will still work for the benefit of the public even if his agenda cannot be fulfilled, whereas a Trump will be working for his own personal aggrandizement and care little if the country is left in tatters. When all is said and done, Trump can afford to move away to a remote island and hide away. Sanders isn't wealthy.

[Ethereal]

You said at least (in five different ways) how you are no fan of unity.

I got as far as the 12th grade, graduated, and then managed to get through college with decent grades, so I'm pretty sure my comprehension skills are in tact.

If you didn't not mean this, then I would suggest that you take a look at what you wrote because it sure looks that way.

Unity for its own sake is senseless. It has to be based on something meaningful, like common interests and values. But when there is a lack of common interests and values, unity for its own sake is even worse than senseless, it's dangerous.


If You were running for president, would your speeches send a message to all Americans that you will fight on all of their behalf's, or only for a few?

Answer this question, and I promise to put it to bed.

I don't see what this has to do with anything. Without common values and interests, there can be no unity in any meaningful sense of the word. Unity without commonality of purpose and belief presages factionalism and authoritarianism.

[Sane Centrist]

If Trump becomes the President and he runs roughshod over your beliefs, you have no one but yourself to blame, since you insist on remaining in a dysfunctional political marriage with people who do not share core interests and values with you.

You've got ten thousand dollars coming your way if you can explain that to me without me laughing so hard that I would need stiches to sew my stomach back together.

You have no idea of what my voting patterns are or where I am politically.

You see my user name which (ALL OF YOU) get wrong, and you think you know which party I support over the other, or who I may support from election cycle to election cycle?

For the record, I am a card carrying Democrat.......that typically votes Democrat.........until there are Democrats on the ticket that I don't like (because of their ideas & platforms) and look at republicans who are rational, sane beings not affected by trends or fads.

I actually like Kasich in this election but I don't think he's going to make it so I'm back to square one with no horse.

Satisfied....?

P.S. I'm one of those Democrats that doesn't necessarily go along with every party platform, and I realize just how many things that are broken that Democrats could be more proactive at fixing but won't.

I'm not what you think I am Sparky........

[Sane Centrist]

You know how Santa likes to dip his Cookie in Milk :grin:

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7348/11174576094_c0018cf3fa_b.jpg


Ok, you just made my night..........nobody likes a bone but a Dog brother, and the thicker the kitty cat, the better the.............:toothy9:

[Ethereal]

I only said that because you said that you were no fan of unity, but how about you clue everybody on everything else I said about what I would do for you...........my fellow American.......that I sincerely meant by the way.

Unity that results from common interests and values shared among a voluntary, holistic community is just fine. Unity for its own sake is not. But I don't see how being against this abstract political "unity" means I hate America. I love my family, which is American; I love my neighborhood, which is American; I love the American revolution, which is American; I love the anti-federalists, who were Americans; I love the Chicago Bears, which is an American football team; so clearly I don't hate "America".

[Ethereal]

No............of course not.

But of course you already knew that.

Then I fail to see the purpose of your response.

[Sane Centrist]

Well, let's see. You call yourself "Sane Centrist", which would imply that anyone who doesn't agree with you is not sane.

You say that Dr. Who had the only rational response, meaning everyone else's responses were irrational. The fact that it's the response you agree with is purely coincidental, I'm sure.

And you accuse me of hating America because I think the US political system is deeply flawed.

So there is ample reason to characterize your views like I did.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong.........

I don't dislike you at all, but anyone that says they don't like unity or says that unity is overrated (as far as our electorate is concerned) is anti-American to me.

You may not be, ok, fair enough, so explain to me how you separate the two.

How do you have the negative feelings you do about unity, but at the same time consider yourself a believer in the American ideals of unity which made this country so great..............please & thank you.

[Ethereal]

I would prefer the honest idealism of a Sanders over the egomania of a Trump. The idealist will still work for the benefit of the public even if his agenda cannot be fulfilled, whereas a Trump will be working for his own personal aggrandizement and care little if the country is left in tatters. When all is said and done, Trump can afford to move away to a remote island and hide away. Sanders isn't wealthy.

Having good intentions is no guarantee that someone will be a good leader, and being egotistical is no guarantee that someone will be a bad leader. You don't like Trump's ideas. Fine. Neither do I. But the fact remains, his supporters do like his ideas and they expect the political system to represent them. What's wrong with that?

[Ethereal]

You've got ten thousand dollars coming your way if you can explain that to me without me laughing so hard that I would need stiches to sew my stomach back together.

You have no idea of what my voting patterns are or where I am politically.

You see my user name which (ALL OF YOU) get wrong, and you think you know which party I support over the other, or who I may support from election cycle to election cycle?

For the record, I am a card carrying Democrat.......that typically votes Democrat.........until there are Democrats on the ticket that I don't like (because of their ideas & platforms) and look at republicans who are rational, sane beings not affected by trends or fads.

I actually like Kasich in this election but I don't think he's going to make it so I'm back to square one with no horse.

Satisfied....?

P.S. I'm one of those Democrats that doesn't necessarily go along with every party platform, and I realize just how many things that are broken that Democrats could be more proactive at fixing but won't.

I'm not what you think I am Sparky........

You already admitted you believe in the concept of a political "union". Well, a "union" implies sharing your sovereignty with Trump supporters. So if they manage to elect him to office and he uses his power to marginalize your belief system, that will be a direct result of your support for "union". You insist on remaining in a dysfunctional political marriage with people who don't share your aspirations and your beliefs, so you run the risk of being tyrannized by them.

[Ethereal]

Wrong, wrong, and wrong.........

I don't dislike you at all, but anyone that says they don't like unity or says that unity is overrated (as far as our electorate is concerned) is anti-American to me.

You may not be, ok, fair enough, so explain to me how you separate the two.

How do you have the negative feelings you do about unity, but at the same time consider yourself a believer in the American ideals of unity which made this country so great..............please & thank you.

Were Sam Adams and Patrick Henry "anti-American" because they opposed the political "union" of the American people? Or were they the quintessential Americans because they distrusted concentrated power? You assume that one can only be a true "American" if they are in favor of the centralized form of government engendered by the US Constitution, but that is a highly presumptuous and narrow conception of Americanism.

[Ethereal]

Thomas Jefferson must have been the most "anti-American" person ever, judging by his promotion of disunion:

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

[Sane Centrist]

You already admitted you believe in the concept of a political "union". Well, a "union" implies sharing your sovereignty with Trump supporters. So if they manage to elect him to office and he uses his power to marginalize your belief system, that will be a direct result of your support for "union". You insist on remaining in a dysfunctional political marriage with people who don't share your aspirations and your beliefs, so you run the risk of being tyrannized by them.

Ok, it's finally clicked in my brain.

I'm just tryig to have a direct conversation with you, and you want to be philosophical about this.

lets leave it at this.....

1. I don't dislike you.
2. You're probably a really cool cat that loves America.
3. I think Donald Trump is being really irresponsible with his rhetoric and it's hurting thousands of people all over the country.
4. I believe that Donald's style of campaigning is tearing the country apart, and it's very disheartening to see.

I'll share something with you.

I saw a video earlier this evening on YouTube of an elderly Mexican woman and her son that was in a fast food restaurant eating. An elderly white woman had come in to order something to eat, and when she overheard the Mexican lady speaking Spanish to her son, the elderly white women chastised her & told her to speak English in America.

The Mexican woman became very upset and started to cry while she told the woman that she was a maid, and that she does speak English (not perfect) but that she does speak English. (she was absolutely shocked & hurt by this woman's comments)

She went on to tell the elderly white woman how she work's very hard cleaning up behind other people for pennies and how she deserves to be treated like a human being. The more she talked the more upset she became, and I could barley stand to finish watching it because I felt like I wanted to throw up at the ugliness of it all.

The pain on this woman's face and the trembling of her voice was real, not scripted, and that's something that Donald doesn't have to deal with when the lights are off and the crowds have gone home, but it's his mess just the same.

Turns out this elderly white woman had come from a Trump rally, and was completely juiced up on Trump chit.

The Mexican woman's son asked the lady very politely several times not to speak to his mother that way, and that it was wrong of her to just express herself in such a rude manner.

We're all just trying to get through this thing called life my friend, and there's no need for all of the hatred, and there's no need for people to treat each other that way.

I'm completely disgusted with Donald Trump's behavior, and I see the negative affects of it everywhere I go.

You feel the way you feel about everything, fine, good for you......

I'm hoping Trump just goes away and goes away soon so this country can heal itself, you want to slam me for that, please feel free.

[The Xl]

The establishment is terrified of Trump and Sanders, and it's because they both represent clear threats to the status quo. That's fine by me. Anything is better than what we have now. The system needs to be shaken up, and radically so. If that means we need to threaten the system with a fascist or a Marxist, then so be it.

100 percent this. The stranglehold of power the status quo has on this country needs to be broken, even if it takes a socialist or a narcissistic megalomaniac.

[Subdermal]

Many people in this forum as well as other forums have stated how they believe Donald Trump is not truly a racist, and that he only says & does the things he does to gain support or get the crowds excited.

Mr. Trump himself has all but made the same claims, and he's very honest about spooling people up to keep the energy going.

Whether or not Donald truly feels or believes in his heart all the negative, hateful things he says & does is not for me to say. I don't want to believe that he genuinely feels this way, and he has to know that in a country as diverse as this one, that type of sentiment would eventually turn everybody off and divide the country.

Whatever he truly feels, his supporters are definitely, truly ginned up, and ready for action. The Trump campaign rallies are slowly taking on the resemblance of WWF events complete with people being dragged out, spit on, and beat up while the crowds cheer. (ugly)

Certain people that have attended his events are being stalked weeks afterwards, and are receiving death threats. TV news personalities have been accosted at these events, and have been told point blank that they should leave in order not to be hurt.

All of these instances of violence have been from "white" Trump supporters directed towards only people of color of all nationalities........except other whites. (coincidence?)

White supremacist groups have openly claimed support for Trump with nothing more than a mere whisper from Donald himself saying "no thanks" while he simultaneously tells them: "I understand your anger". (a passive, aggressive acceptance of support?)

This is a person who wants to be president of the greatest melting pot experiment in the world, an experiment that created some of the most technological breakthroughs the world will ever see, an experiment that forged a nation of which most other nations aspired to be.

The tragic irony here is that President Obama has been consistently accused throughout his presidency of tearing this country apart, while Donald (during this campaign to become the next president) has done more damage in these few weeks & months than any other force of nature.

I ask all of you to please take the time to sift through some of these stories below (of which there are dozens) and ask yourselves honestly if you believe what this man is doing is presidential or worthy of your vote.

America has grown even uglier since Donald has thrown his hat into the race, and it's truly about time that all of you Donald supporters asked him to tamper it down, and stick to policies that will enrich all of our lives, and knock off all of the hate & division speech.

I have no problem with Donald being the next president if that's what the country decides as long as he's going to represent & fight for all of us.

But I have a huge problem with a presidential candidate that doesn't have the presence of mind to bring people together while he's campaigning or a candidate that gets people hurt because he's so blinded by his selfish obsession to see his polling numbers inch up.

I Tweeted About Donald Trump. Here's How People Responded.
"Go back to Africa" was one of the more polite messages.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/i-tweeted-about-donald-trump_us_56cdd804e4b041136f18fc9a (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/i-tweeted-about-donald-trump_us_56cdd804e4b041136f18fc9a)

After Protesting at a Trump Rally, I'm Being Targeted By Islamophobes
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rose-hamid-/after-protesting-at-a-trump-rally-im-being-targeted-by-islamaphobes-_b_9305788.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rose-hamid-/after-protesting-at-a-trump-rally-im-being-targeted-by-islamaphobes-_b_9305788.html)

Trump's Success Shows Republicans Are Choosing Anger Over Conservative Ideas
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-j-demas/trumps-success-shows-repu_b_9293624.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-j-demas/trumps-success-shows-repu_b_9293624.html)

Some Trump Supporters Think Lincoln Was Hasty In Freeing The Slaves
Apparently, he shouldn't have issued the Emancipation Proclamation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-voters-slavery-poll_us_56ce0d74e4b041136f193f7f?utm_hp_ref=politi cs (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-voters-slavery-poll_us_56ce0d74e4b041136f193f7f?utm_hp_ref=politi cs)

Donald Trump’s Anti-Muslim Rhetoric Caused 19 Acts of Domestic Terrorism Last Week
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/12/15/donald-trumps-anti-muslim-rhetoric-caused-19-acts-domestic-terrorism-week.html (http://www.politicususa.com/2015/12/15/donald-trumps-anti-muslim-rhetoric-caused-19-acts-domestic-terrorism-week.html)

White supremacists claim Trump as their new best friend: Groups claim candidate's anti-Muslim rhetoric has caused a spike in popularity of their websites and the KKK.

Hate groups across the U.S. are capitalizing on Trump's powerful rhetoric


White supremacy website Stormfront has claimed a traffic spike of up to 40 percent


Leaders say it's because Trump has made it permissible to speak openly about anti-immigration


Monitors of U.S. hate groups are warning that the billionaire's rhetoric encourages racism and violence
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3376045/Donald-Trump-causes-massive-spike-popularity-KKK-website-run-hate-group-forced-upgrade-cope-increased-traffic.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3376045/Donald-Trump-causes-massive-spike-popularity-KKK-website-run-hate-group-forced-upgrade-cope-increased-traffic.html)

White supremacist groups see Trump bump
“He has sparked an insurgency,” Stormfront founder says
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/donald-trump-white-supremacists-216620 (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/donald-trump-white-supremacists-216620)

I've experienced a new level of racism since Donald Trump went after Latinos
Tina Vasquez: “I have never been asked the type of questions I’m now fielding from white people – and I’m not the only one”
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/09/donald-trump-racism-increase-latinos (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/09/donald-trump-racism-increase-latinos)

TIMELINE: Trump’s Racial Demagoguery Is Having Dangerous, Real-Life Consequences
http://americasvoice.org/blog/a-timeline-trumps-racial-demagoguery-is-having-dangerous-real-life-consquences/ (http://americasvoice.org/blog/a-timeline-trumps-racial-demagoguery-is-having-dangerous-real-life-consquences/)

Trump on rally protester: “Maybe he should have been roughed up”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/22/black-activist-punched-at-donald-trump-rally-in-birmingham/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/22/black-activist-punched-at-donald-trump-rally-in-birmingham/)

Donald Trump supporters spit on immigration activist as rally turns violent
Watch a Trump rally in Virginia turn violent after The Donald revs up the crowd with anti-immigrant rhetoric
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/donald_trump_supporters_spit_on_immigration_activi st_as_rally_turns_violent/ (http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/donald_trump_supporters_spit_on_immigration_activi st_as_rally_turns_violent/)

Donald Trump on protester: “I'd like to punch him in the face”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/02/23/donald-trump-nevada-punch-in-the-face/80793586/




First rational reply yet.........

I'm starting to think that there isn't one conservative in this forum that can just answer a post without sounding like a juvenile delinquent who can't control himself to vomit the words: "liberal leftist"

That seems to be the answer to anything anybody writes in here.

What time is it today....."your a liberal leftist commie"

What do you think about the new Chevy's....."your a liberal leftist commie"

How do you think the Yankees are going to do this year............"your a liberal leftist commie"

Who do you think will win next years election............"your a liberal leftist commie"

Jesus freaking Christ these people.

They all completely ignore everything you write, and just go for the jugular without even engaging any thought into what their saying, and when faced with anything past a "one line insult" (which is all they seem to be good for) they're completely lost.

This isn't place for adults to discuss politics, it's juvenile hall for all of Welcome Back Kotter's rejects.

How the hell do you stand it Dr. Who??

What a staggering degree of hypocrisy here.

[Peter1469]

Sorry CS, but the people who want to follow Trump into the breach, don't want any uncomfortable thoughts spoiling the trip. They just want to close their eyes and jump and hope that they will enjoy a soft landing.

Or maybe the Establishment has lied to them too often for them to follow the Establishment in lock step- again. The OP clearly shows how unhinged the Establishment is over Trump. It is a pathetic example of the demagoguery it seeks to pin on Trump.

[Cigar]

All this boils down to is "Fear" of Change and "Fear" of the Unknown ...

Here's one undeniable "fact" ... if taking "YOUR" Country Back and Making it Great Again, means to YOU, that YOU once again receive all the Benefits and Rights as Human Beings and American Citizens, while others have their taken away again? Then you're dreaming, because those days are gone for ever .... that's as much of a mirage as Building Walls and Deporting 12 Million People.

[zelmo1234]

Donald Trump is what you see, now if you believe what you're seeing, that maybe something else.

I'm just going to sit back and remember what is being said now, and remind everyone on the Wednesday after :grin:

I've said it Two Elections in a Row, the Key Word is DEMOGRAPHICS and now 4 more year have pasted.

The Look ... yes the Look, will be Priceless :laugh:

But But But But why didn't All those The Blaa People, Murderers & Rapist, Baby Killers, $#@!s & $#@!s and Camel Jockeys, and Takers didn't Vote for our Candidate .... ?

What I want to know is how are you going to get them to the polls, they never voted before Obama, and they did not vote in the mid term elections. Unless I am missing something, Hillary is not white,

[Cigar]

What I want to know is how are you going to get them to the polls, they never voted before Obama, and they did not vote in the mid term elections. Unless I am missing something, Hillary is not white,

Yea ... you're obviously missing something.

I had no problem getting to the Polls, did you?

I Voted before Obama, and I excepted the Winner as my President, I didn't have to like him, but I also didn't lose my F'cking mind over it either.

I also Voted in the Mid-Terms, and excepted the Loses, I didn't have to like it, but I also didn't lose my F'cking mind over it either.

Unless I am missing something, am I not Black?

[Sane Centrist]

100 percent this. The stranglehold of power the status quo has on this country needs to be broken, even if it takes a socialist or a narcissistic megalomaniac.

Fine, so explain to me why people at Sanders rallies aren't losing their minds by beating people up or stalking them afterwards or coming in armed with guns while the maniacs at Trumps rallies are?

Are they each fighting against the establishment, are they equally stirring the pot causing people to think - why in the hell does Trumps rhetoric have to be so negative, hateful & violent, why can't he find a way to get the same messages of anti-establishment issues across without causing people to lose it?

[Safety]

Fine, so explain to me why people at Sanders rallies aren't losing their minds by beating people up or stalking them afterwards or coming in armed with guns while the maniacs at Trumps rallies are?

Are they each fighting against the establishment, are they equally stirring the pot causing people to think - why in the hell does Trumps rhetoric have to be so negative, hateful & violent, why can't he find a way to get the same messages of anti-establishment issues across without causing people to lose it?

It's called education.

[Sane Centrist]

What a staggering degree of hypocrisy here.

Everything I wrote, and everything I posted is clearly free & available for anyone to find.

Please show me where the hypocrisy is, and please do me the courtesy of extending more than a pathetically, lame "one sentence" reply for all of my efforts.

You've replied to several of my post's in the same fashion, usually with a weak, one lined insult, how about challenging yourself and try to get outside of your comfort zone & boundaries or your obvious limitations by "actually" dialoging on this issue?

That is........of course.........if you have the mental faculties to do so.

If not, I apologize for the inquiry, and I send my condolences to you.......

[Sane Centrist]

Or maybe the Establishment has lied to them too often for them to follow the Establishment in lock step- again. The OP clearly shows how unhinged the Establishment is over Trump. It is a pathetic example of the demagoguery it seeks to pin on Trump.

I can't speak for the establishment, but as an average, voting, American citizen, I can tell you that ordinary people that don't particularly like Donald are not unhinged, they are just bothered by what they see.

Believe it or it there's still plenty of decent people in the country that see fools, clowns, carnival barkers and charlatan's for what they are.

And as far as trying to pin demagoguery on Trump, he's doing a mighty fine job of that on his own.

Donald owns every single one of the stories that I know you didn't bother to read 100%, but it's Ok because I promise you something......

Covering your ears & screaming like a child (like this)

14210

Won't make them go away, their Donald's for keeps.....

[Ethereal]

Fine, so explain to me why people at Sanders rallies aren't losing their minds by beating people up or stalking them afterwards or coming in armed with guns while the maniacs at Trumps rallies are?

How much overlap do you think there is between Sanders supporters and movements like BLM and OWS?

[Cigar]

I can't speak for the establishment, but as an average, voting, American citizen, I can tell you that ordinary people that don't particularly like Donald are not unhinged, they are just bothered by what they see.

Believe it or it there's still plenty of decent people in the country that see fools, clowns, carnival barkers and charlatan's for what they are.

And as far as trying to pin demagoguery on Trump, he's doing a mighty fine job of that on his own.

Donald owns every single one of the stories that I know you didn't bother to read 100%, but it's Ok because I promise you something......

Covering your ears & screaming like a child (like this)

14210

Won't make them go away, their Donald's for keeps.....

These people will deny direct quotes from Donald :laugh:

[Sane Centrist]

These people will deny direct quotes from Donald :laugh:

Yes they will..................pretty much the good people of Gemany so many years ago fell for someone very similar to Donald, and we all know how that turned out.

[MisterVeritis]

Which would be nice if Trump actually did so, but a study of Trump's life to this point will tell you that he will say whatever people want him to say, to make the deal. It's what he does. His face should show up as the definition of an opportunist. His legacy in terms of people who were persuaded to come along for the ride is not pretty. He's pretty treacherous and an egomaniac, which has been his ultimate downfall in business. His need for personal adoration outweighs common sense. This is not a man that you want leading a nation. He doesn't listen to advisers because he thinks that he's smarter than everyone. He has no humility or loyalty.
What do the people who have worked for him say?

[Safety]

How much overlap do you think there is between Sanders supporters and movements like BLM and OWS?

Probably the same amount as there are with deadbeat illegal aliens....but Trump does seem to have the support of people who advocate for the Oregon protests....

[Cigar]

Yes they will..................pretty much the good people of Gemany so many years ago fell for someone very similar to Donald, and we all know how that turned out.

Naaa ... can't happen again ... :laugh:

[Sane Centrist]

How much overlap do you think there is between Sanders supporters and movements like BLM and OWS?

I don't know about any OWS movement, and I only know a small amount about the BLM movement, but I keep seeing stories of how most blacks are torn between Sanders & Clinton, and how almost all of them haven't quite made up their minds yet.

I do know that the three, young, highly educated black women (not gang of thugs) that started the BLM movement cannot control anything some misguided knucklehead does or doesn't do, and I do know that Blacks, Mexicans or Muslims aren't losing their minds at Sanders or Clinton's rallies

Why don't you do some of your own investigating on the subject.

Check it out: http://blacklivesmatter.com/

Why don't you click on: "Who We Are" & "What We Believe" and form your own opinions........?

Where exactly are we going with this line of questioning friend?

[Safety]

I don't know about any OWS movement, and I only know a small amount about the BLM movement, but I keep seeing stories of how most blacks are torn between Sanders & Clinton, and how almost all of them haven't quite made up their minds yet.

I do know that the three, young, highly educated black women (not gang of thugs) that started the BLM movement cannot control anything some misguided knucklehead does or doesn't do, and I do know that Blacks, Mexicans or Muslims aren't losing their minds at Sanders or Clinton's rallies

Why don't you do some of your own investigating on the subject.

Check it out: http://blacklivesmatter.com/

Why don't you click on "Who We Are" & "What We Believe" and form your own opinions........?

Where exactly are we going with this line of questioning friend?

It's the usual contrast and comparison.

[Sane Centrist]

It's called education.

Then I would submit to the people attending Donald Trump's rallies that they educate themselves, and do it quickly before somebody winds up getting killed.

[Sane Centrist]

Naaa ... can't happen again ... :laugh:

Lets hope not............

We both know about that word "never" and how tricky she can be.

I said I'd "never" get married again.............HELLO.....back in the saddle again.:cry20:

[Safety]

Then I would submit to the people attending Donald Trump's rallies that they educate themselves, and do it quickly before somebody winds up getting killed.

That would appear to be sort of a paranormal, metaphysical accomplishment. If they were educated, would they be at the rally in the first place?

[Sane Centrist]

It's the usual contrast and comparison.

Ahhhhhh, I see, instead of just sticking to the nucleus of the topic at hand which is:

"do you think that what Donald is doing during his campaign rallies is productive for America, and how concerned are you that violence is on the up-tick because of Mr. Trump's negative rhetoric"

[Sane Centrist]

That would appear to be sort of a paranormal, metaphysical accomplishment. If they were educated, would they be at the rally in the first place?

Awe man your good...............:applause:

[PolWatch]

I triple dare you to say anything without the word "leftist"....................:thinking:

8........7........6.........5..........4.......... 3..........2...........GO

include libtard in your challenge & wait for the sound of crickets....

[Sane Centrist]

include libtard in your challenge & wait for the sound of crickets....

Your so right................:smiley_ROFLMAO::smiley_ROFLM AO::smiley_ROFLMAO:

[Mac-7]

I ask all of you to please take the time to sift through some of these stories below (of which there are dozens) and ask yourselves honestly if you believe what this man is doing is presidential or worthy of your vote.


I Tweeted About Donald Trump. Here's How People Responded.
"Go back to Africa" was one of the more polite messages.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/i-tweeted-about-donald-trump_us_56cdd804e4b041136f18fc9a (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/i-tweeted-about-donald-trump_us_56cdd804e4b041136f18fc9a)




Ok I will take the challenge.

Julia Graven is a black girl according to her picture and a huffington post contributor.

she makes it sound like she innocently mentioned trumps name on twitter and the thread blew up with racial insults.

but thats bullshit

she opened up by accusing white trump voters of being racists which is the usual method of REVERSE RACISM practiced by leftwing lollipops.

so trolling for negative comments thats what she got.

The fact is trump has said practically nothing about black people and certainly nothing bad about black people.

[Mac-7]

Btw Sane Centrist who are you supporting?

[Sane Centrist]

Btw Sane Centrist who are you supporting?

I liked Kasich but he said the other day that he doesn't know if his purpose is to be president.

I typically vote democrat but I can't get behind Sanders because his brand of politics is way to 1968, hippie, flower child for me.

I haven't drank all of the Kool-Aid about Hillary with all the nonsense about emails & Benghazi but I have to admit that I wish we had someone a bit stronger.

As of right now since the right doesn't have anybody that I really like, I'll probably, reluctantly go with Hillary in the end because I don't want to "not" vote

I can't say what the deal was on that one story that you read but there were plenty there to choose from my friend, and they're not all bogus stories trust me.

Here's my deal with Trump so you don't get the wrong impression of me.

I could stomach the man much more, and possibly even support his candidacy if he wasn't so dam toxic, divisive & incendiary.

I'm not a fool, and I don't think that he means most of the stupid chit that he says - but their in lies the problem.............he says it.

And all it's done is hurt a lot of people, and caused a lot of problems.

I have just about every race (nationality) known to man running through my veins, and trust me - if you saw me you wouldn't know what the hell I am.

So I take offense to all of it.

I'm: Moroccan, Native American Indian, African (on my mother's side)

I'm: Italian, Syrian, Greek, Irish, Scottish, German (on my father's side)

I'm married to a Puerto Rican women, and so my daughter is everything I am including Hispanic.

Jews, Asians, South Americans, and people from all over Europe have married into my family

So I'm pretty much offended by everything that comes out of that idiots mouth..........

[Ethereal]

I don't know about any OWS movement, and I only know a small amount about the BLM movement, but I keep seeing stories of how most blacks are torn between Sanders & Clinton, and how almost all of them haven't quite made up their minds yet.

I do know that the three, young, highly educated black women (not gang of thugs) that started the BLM movement cannot control anything some misguided knucklehead does or doesn't do, and I do know that Blacks, Mexicans or Muslims aren't losing their minds at Sanders or Clinton's rallies

Why don't you do some of your own investigating on the subject.

Check it out: http://blacklivesmatter.com/

Why don't you click on: "Who We Are" & "What We Believe" and form your own opinions........?

Where exactly are we going with this line of questioning friend?

Well, you said "people at Sanders rallies" aren't engaging in certain kinds of behavior, but I think it's safe to assume that some of the same people who frequent BLM and OWS protests have also been frequenting Sanders rallies, and both those movements have had more than their fair share of trouble-makers. Simply put, I think people on the left and the right are full of anger and resentment towards the establishment, and this anger and resentment sometimes manifests itself as disorderly or belligerent conduct. It's not something unique to Trump supporters.

[Dr. Who]

What do the people who have worked for him say?
http://www.mediaite.com/online/female-executive-recalls-18-year-career-working-for-trump/

[Mac-7]

So I'm pretty much offended by everything that comes out of that idiots mouth..........

I dont know why.

Trump is not attacking people who are here legally.

So all those hurt feelings are over illegal aliens who should NOT be in this country to begin with

[domer76]

I dont know why.

Trump is not attacking people who are here legally.

So all those hurt feelings are over illegal aliens who should be in this country to begin with

Yeah, I've watched Trumps rallies. He LOVES everyone!

[Mac-7]

Yeah, I've watched Trumps rallies. He LOVES everyone!

We know better than that.

there are plenty of people that you and me and trump do not like.

[domer76]

We know better than that.

there are plenty of people that you and me and trump do not like.

Oh no. Trump LOVES New Hampshire. Trump LOVES Nevada. Trump LOVES Hispanics. Trump even LOVES the poorly educated. He has nothing but love in every speech he makes.