GOP’s self-made Trump dilemma: Understanding the monster of their own creation

[Cigar]

Nice article that underscores how the GOP's efforts to topple Trump is to hide the fact that he "tell it like it is" with respect to the racist policies that the GOP pursues.



And as Greg Sargent has been diligently pointing out, there’s a more satisfying explanation for why Trump is so stubbornly popular among Republican base voters: they really like his anti-immigrant proposals and promises to deport all undocumented immigrants. The latest CNN poll of the Republican primary bears this out. It found that 53 percent of Republicans, 51 percent of conservatives, and 52 percent of self-identified Tea Party supporters believe the government “should attempt to deport all people currently living in the country illegally.” Strong pluralities of all three groups also believe that deporting all the immigrants will help the U.S. economy. This lines up perfectly with what Trump proposes, which may also explain why 48 percent of those polled say Trump is the best candidate to handle immigration.

Even if this doesn’t end up translating into a Trump nomination, it’s still a huge problem for the GOP, given its oft-repeated concerns about expanding the party’s demographic appeal beyond old, angry white people. Republicans and conservatives may soothe themselves with the idea that voters will eventually abandon Trump, but any attempt to explain why he’s risen in the first place would require the GOP to confront the unpleasant truth that they took an active role in creating this monster.

As Trump endures in the polls, I think more and more about the political significance of the child migrant crisis of the summer of 2014. With the midterm elections coming up and the GOP poised to make gains, the thousands of unaccompanied minors coming across the southern border offered a ripe opportunity to demagogue on immigration and bite back against some of Barack Obama’s executive orders granting deportation relief. The House GOP took full advantage and passed legislation that would have expedited deportations of children crossing the border, and separate legislation that would have ended the White House’s deferred-action program for undocumented immigrants brought to the country as children. They targeted people who had nothing to do with the migrant crisis as part of a broader message that the Republican policy position was “throw ‘em all out.”

That ugly display was followed up by a government-funding fight in which Republicans in the House and Senate threatened to shut down the Department of Homeland Security if Obama didn’t roll back is executive orders halting deportations for certain classes of undocumented immigrants. There was no chance of either of these legislative gambits working. They were all about sending a message: deport everyone.


http://www.salon.com/2015/12/04/gops_self_made_trump_dilemma_understanding_the_mon ster_of_their_own_creation/

[Mac-7]

Nice article that underscores how the GOP's efforts to topple Trump is to hide the fact that he "tell it like it is" with respect to the racist policies that the GOP pursues.
And as Greg Sargent has been diligently pointing out, there’s a more satisfying explanation for why Trump is so stubbornly popular among Republican base voters: they really like his anti-immigrant proposals and promises to deport all undocumented immigrants. The latest CNN poll of the Republican primary bears this out. It found that 53 percent of Republicans, 51 percent of conservatives, and 52 percent of self-identified Tea Party supporters believe the government “should attempt to deport all people currently living in the country illegally.” Strong pluralities of all three groups also believe that deporting all the immigrants will help the U.S. economy. This lines up perfectly with what Trump proposes, which may also explain why 48 percent of those polled say Trump is the best candidate to handle immigration.



if the wacko lib brain who writes your quotes for you were here I would tell them deporting illegal aliens is not a racial issue.

The leftwing quislings are really getting desperate if all they can do is play the race card for you.

[zelmo1234]

Cigars statement is right, thought the article supporting it is wrong.

The GOP Created Donald Trumps Chance. Over the last 8 years, they openly lied to the base of their party.

The first fall out came in the Romney Election, where over 5 million conservative voters did not vote for him. They were tired of moderates doing the same thing as Democrat

But what started this fall out was the out right lies being told by the establishment. They begged for the House and then did nothing to stop the progressive agenda, then they asked for the Senate, and Still did not even try to uphold the promises that they made to get elected.

That is why Trump is where is he, because even though he is not a conservative, he destroys the establishment that lied to the people that elected them.

[PNW]

Nice article that underscores how the GOP's efforts to topple Trump is to hide the fact that he "tell it like it is" with respect to the racist policies that the GOP pursues.


And as Greg Sargent has been diligently pointing out, there’s a more satisfying explanation for why Trump is so stubbornly popular among Republican base voters: they really like his anti-immigrant proposals and promises to deport all undocumented immigrants. The latest CNN poll of the Republican primary bears this out. It found that 53 percent of Republicans, 51 percent of conservatives, and 52 percent of self-identified Tea Party supporters believe the government “should attempt to deport all people currently living in the country illegally.” Strong pluralities of all three groups also believe that deporting all the immigrants will help the U.S. economy. This lines up perfectly with what Trump proposes, which may also explain why 48 percent of those polled say Trump is the best candidate to handle immigration.

Even if this doesn’t end up translating into a Trump nomination, it’s still a huge problem for the GOP, given its oft-repeated concerns about expanding the party’s demographic appeal beyond old, angry white people. Republicans and conservatives may soothe themselves with the idea that voters will eventually abandon Trump, but any attempt to explain why he’s risen in the first place would require the GOP to confront the unpleasant truth that they took an active role in creating this monster.

As Trump endures in the polls, I think more and more about the political significance of the child migrant crisis of the summer of 2014. With the midterm elections coming up and the GOP poised to make gains, the thousands of unaccompanied minors coming across the southern border offered a ripe opportunity to demagogue on immigration and bite back against some of Barack Obama’s executive orders granting deportation relief. The House GOP took full advantage and passed legislation that would have expedited deportations of children crossing the border, and separate legislation that would have ended the White House’s deferred-action program for undocumented immigrants brought to the country as children. They targeted people who had nothing to do with the migrant crisis as part of a broader message that the Republican policy position was “throw ‘em all out.”

That ugly display was followed up by a government-funding fight in which Republicans in the House and Senate threatened to shut down the Department of Homeland Security if Obama didn’t roll back is executive orders halting deportations for certain classes of undocumented immigrants. There was no chance of either of these legislative gambits working. They were all about sending a message: deport everyone.


http://www.salon.com/2015/12/04/gops_self_made_trump_dilemma_understanding_the_mon ster_of_their_own_creation/




It is amazing how the GOP/RNC has orchestrated their own down fall
If it weren't so dangerous for the country at this point it would be amusing, however the rightwing is so stupid and their voters even more dumb they can do some serious damage, even more damage, on their way out.
Conservatism is whats wrong with the nation, it's bringing down the GOP and the country at the same time.
The racist rightwing needs to split and form their own failure party before it's too late.

[PNW]

Cigars statement is right, thought the article supporting it is wrong.

The GOP Created Donald Trumps Chance. Over the last 8 years, they openly lied to the base of their party.

The first fall out came in the Romney Election, where over 5 million conservative voters did not vote for him. They were tired of moderates doing the same thing as Democrat

But what started this fall out was the out right lies being told by the establishment. They begged for the House and then did nothing to stop the progressive agenda, then they asked for the Senate, and Still did not even try to uphold the promises that they made to get elected.

That is why Trump is where is he, because even though he is not a conservative, he destroys the establishment that lied to the people that elected them.


Your party has been lying to you for generations, it's nothing new.
Big Govt
Spending
Tax cuts
Abortion, all of it is spoon fed lies and you all lapped it up, and now your lapping up a new set of lies.
Actually they are not new lies, it's just now delivered to you in a rougher, more simple minded package, and the same people are still lapping it up.
To attempt to take the high road here and say it's about the establishment, shows just how mush most of the cons are being used as tools.
Time to call conservatism what it really is, Fascism.
Pure and simple.

And cons didn't vote for mittens because he is a Mormon, no other reason. It's just that none of you cons have the guts to admit it.

[FindersKeepers]

A large number of Americans, both democrats and republicans, do not favor granting amnesty to all illegal aliens.

Obama has deported more illegals than GWB ever did, and yet, we have these reporters only focusing on republicans who want to deport?

That's so odd.

[Ransom]

A large number of Americans, both democrats and republicans, do not favor granting amnesty to all illegal aliens.

Obama has deported more illegals than GWB ever did, and yet, we have these reporters only focusing on republicans who want to deport?

That's so odd.

Obama has deported more illegals, expanded and extended Patriot and Surveillance Acts, destabilized Libya, Egypt, Syria, Irag, Afghanistan, and our own inner cities, has alienated allies such as Israel, made a disaster of Russian 'resets', added 10 trillion to our national debt, ruined the health insurance industry....... and oddly still has supporters

[iolo]

President Obama is (apparently) 'black', and therefore nothing he does, whether inclined to Left or Right, can be other than utterly evil to the racist ranters.

[Chris]

Democrats have their own dilemmas so pointing at Republican's is mere deflection.

[FindersKeepers]

Obama has deported more illegals, expanded and extended Patriot and Surveillance Acts, destabilized Libya, Egypt, Syria, Irag, Afghanistan, and our own inner cities, has alienated allies such as Israel, made a disaster of Russian 'resets', added 10 trillion to our national debt, ruined the health insurance industry....... and oddly still has supporters

True enough.

[Mac-7]

It is amazing how the GOP/RNC has orchestrated their own down fall
If it weren't so dangerous for the country at this point it would be amusing, however the rightwing is so stupid and their voters even more dumb they can do some serious damage, even more damage, on their way out.

Conservatism is whats wrong with the nation, it's bringing down the GOP and the country at the same time.

The racist rightwing needs to split and form their own failure party before it's too late.

Actually the GOP establishment that you are critical of are moderates and in some cases liberals who are lying to the conservative base

[MisterVeritis]

Conservatism is whats wrong with the nation, it's bringing down the GOP and the country at the same time.
The racist rightwing needs to split and form their own failure party before it's too late.
Can you explain how defending our borders, language, and culture (with a hat tip to Michael Savage) by building a wall, defending it, identifying, detaining and deporting illegal aliens, and all non-American Muslims is racist?

I want to peer more deeply into the dark mind of an anti-American leftist.

[MisterVeritis]

Your party has been lying to you for generations, it's nothing new.
Big Govt
Spending
Tax cuts
Abortion, all of it is spoon fed lies and you all lapped it up, and now your lapping up a new set of lies.
Actually they are not new lies, it's just now delivered to you in a rougher, more simple minded package, and the same people are still lapping it up.
To attempt to take the high road here and say it's about the establishment, shows just how mush most of the cons are being used as tools.
Time to call conservatism what it really is, Fascism.
Pure and simple.

And cons didn't vote for mittens because he is a Mormon, no other reason. It's just that none of you cons have the guts to admit it.
If your erection lasts longer than four hours be sure to see your doctor.

[Chris]

It is amazing how the GOP/RNC has orchestrated their own down fall
If it weren't so dangerous for the country at this point it would be amusing, however the rightwing is so stupid and their voters even more dumb they can do some serious damage, even more damage, on their way out.
Conservatism is whats wrong with the nation, it's bringing down the GOP and the country at the same time.
The racist rightwing needs to split and form their own failure party before it's too late.

I think you're trying to hard to flame bait here.

First you say the GOP is bringing itself down and then you say conservatism is and then you play the race card along with the stupids and dumbs.

[Tahuyaman]

Nice article that underscores how the GOP's efforts to topple Trump is to hide the fact that he "tell it like it is" with respect to the racist policies that the GOP pursues



....
The racist rightwing needs to split and form their own failure party before it's too late.


President Obama is (apparently) 'black', and therefore nothing he does, whether inclined to Left or Right, can be other than utterly evil to the racist ranters.

Liberals use the words "racist" and "racism" more than any people on earth.

[Tahuyaman]

Actually the GOP establishment that you are critical of are moderates and in some cases liberals who are lying to the conservative base


Actually, I can agree with you on this one. The reason the Republican Party is in trouble is because they have drifted leftward over the last two decades in some futile attempt to prove to the media that they are the people who can make everyone happy. In doing so, the conservative base largely left them in disgust.

Look ok at the individuals who make up the Republican establishment. You have unabashed liberals, so called moderates and a few conservatives.

Not so with the Democrats. They are solidly left wing. They believe in ideological purity.

[Tahuyaman]

Cigars statement is right, thought the article supporting it is wrong.

The GOP Created Donald Trumps Chance. Over the last 8 years, they openly lied to the base of their party.

The first fall out came in the Romney Election, where over 5 million conservative voters did not vote for him. They were tired of moderates doing the same thing as Democrat

But what started this fall out was the out right lies being told by the establishment. They begged for the House and then did nothing to stop the progressive agenda, then they asked for the Senate, and Still did not even try to uphold the promises that they made to get elected.

That is why Trump is where is he, because even though he is not a conservative, he destroys the establishment that lied to the people that elected them.

i would agree with that. The statement of the OP is correct, but for the wrong reasons.

[Tahuyaman]

If your erection lasts longer than four hours be sure to see your doctor.


there was a time, years ago, when four hours was normal.

[Tahuyaman]

But what started this fall out was the out right lies being told by the establishment. They begged for the House and then did nothing to stop the progressive agenda, then they asked for the Senate, and Still did not even try to uphold the promises that they made to get elected.
.

Members of the House of Representatives did their job. They did not have the Senate to back them, so I can't blame them. Once the Republicans took over the Senate, they still didn't have anyone backing them.

[Mac-7]

President Obama is (apparently) 'black', and therefore nothing he does, whether inclined to Left or Right, can be other than utterly evil to the racist ranters.

Obama never leans right

And he is always stirring the pot of blacks hating whites

[PNW]

Can you explain how defending our borders, language, and culture (with a hat tip to Michael Savage) by building a wall, defending it, identifying, detaining and deporting illegal aliens, and all non-American Muslims is racist?

I want to peer more deeply into the dark mind of an anti-American leftist.

Seriously?
Read your post, that is explanation enough.

[PNW]

Liberals use the words "racist" and "racism" more than any people on earth.

When the shoe fits.....

[PNW]

I think you're trying to hard to flame bait here.
I know you are wrong.


First you say the GOP is bringing itself down and then you say conservatism is and then you play the race card along with the stupids and dumbs.
Conservatives are the GOP and the GOP is conservatives, no matter what the cons say.
Second, I didn't play a race card and lets face it, the right is made up of the low educated, low info voters. It always has been. Without the idiots the right wouldn't be.

[Tahuyaman]

When the shoe fits.....

the only problem is that all one needs to do to be called a racist by people like you is to disagree on
virtually any issue.

It could be that you can't defend your views with anything thought provoking, so you throw out the racist accusation in order to divert the discussion.

[Dr. Who]

Obama has deported more illegals, expanded and extended Patriot and Surveillance Acts, destabilized Libya, Egypt, Syria, Irag, Afghanistan, and our own inner cities, has alienated allies such as Israel, made a disaster of Russian 'resets', added 10 trillion to our national debt, ruined the health insurance industry....... and oddly still has supporters
Funny that deporting illegals should be the lead statement in your response. Isn't that one of the holy grails of the GOP? How can it both be a goal and a point of criticism? It also seems that you have defended the destabilization of the entire middle east essentially because of American exceptionalism and self-appointed role as world cop. Why complain now that it costs money? You can't have it both ways. You cannot praise the Patriot Act and condemn it's successor the USA Freedom Act, which only requires a little more accountability.

[Peter1469]

I know you are wrong.


Conservatives are the GOP and the GOP is conservatives, no matter what the cons say.
Second, I didn't play a race card and lets face it, the right is made up of the low educated, low info voters. It always has been. Without the idiots the right wouldn't be.


The Establishment GOP wants the exact same thing as the Establishment Dems. Greater government control over our lives.

It does amuse me to see people in either party express such hatred for the other. When in reality they are controlled by the same puppet master. :wink:

[Peter1469]

the only problem is that all one needs to do to be called a racist by people like you is to disagree on
virtually any issue.

It could be that you can't defend your views with anything thought provoking, so you throw out the racist accusation in order to divert the discussion.

Correct. You can pretty much bank on it- what comes out of their mouths are not facts. But rather logical fallacies such as poisoning the well. That is a particular favorite of theirs.

[Peter1469]

Funny that deporting illegals should be the lead statement in your response. Isn't that one of the holy grails of the GOP? How can it both be a goal and a point of criticism? It also seems that you have defended the destabilization of the entire middle east essentially because of American exceptionalism and self-appointed role as world cop. Why complain now that it costs money? You can't have it both ways. You cannot praise the Patriot Act and condemn it's successor the USA Freedom Act, which only requires a little more accountability.

American exceptionalism ought not be linked to the US as a world cop. The idea is to be an example for others to follow, or not. Their choice.

[zelmo1234]

Your party has been lying to you for generations, it's nothing new.
Big Govt
Spending
Tax cuts
Abortion, all of it is spoon fed lies and you all lapped it up, and now your lapping up a new set of lies.
Actually they are not new lies, it's just now delivered to you in a rougher, more simple minded package, and the same people are still lapping it up.
To attempt to take the high road here and say it's about the establishment, shows just how mush most of the cons are being used as tools.
Time to call conservatism what it really is, Fascism.
Pure and simple.

And cons didn't vote for mittens because he is a Mormon, no other reason. It's just that none of you cons have the guts to admit it.

Cons did not Vote for Romney because he is likely the most progressive Republican in the party.

The GOP did not fulfill its promise to stop many of the policies they do not like. Amnesty, and the ACA being the main 2. This was done out of Fear, and the GOP abandon it's base.

You are too much of a political hack to understand this. The DNC is now doing the exact same thing, which is funny if you think about it!

Racism, has always been and still is a major plank in the Democratic party. Under Johnson they changed tactics and have been following the path of corralling them in low paying jobs, in dangerous neighborhoods, with failing schools and trapping them in the Welfare system.

What Democrats did was just change the location of the plantation. If you don't think this is true, Look at any Conservative or Successful minority, that did not get there Fame and Fortune by exploiting the minority communities. Even the Amnesty programs are designed to take jobs from minority workers that are US citizens.

Just as a person that jumps to accuse people of being a thief or a liar is usually a thief or a liar themselves, those that scream Racism the loudest are usually the ones that are Racist.

[zelmo1234]

President Obama is (apparently) 'black', and therefore nothing he does, whether inclined to Left or Right, can be other than utterly evil to the racist ranters.

So what do you think his major accomplishments are? And can you state the Results of those accomplishments.

And What policies that he pushed for have been blocked any actions that he wanted to achieve?

I am sure that you are not playing the race card for the sake of playing the Race card.

So I would also like to look at how Obama has improved the lives of minorities in the USA?????

[zelmo1234]

I know you are wrong.


Conservatives are the GOP and the GOP is conservatives, no matter what the cons say.
Second, I didn't play a race card and lets face it, the right is made up of the low educated, low info voters. It always has been. Without the idiots the right wouldn't be.

So lets get this straight. the main Support of the Dem's is the poor , working Poor and lower middle class. So what you are saying is they are so smart that they can't figure out how to support themselves. You are also saying that those that have risen to Middle class and above are the stupid ones???

Which is a Funny ole way of looking at things don't you think???

[PNW]

the only problem is that all one needs to do to be called a racist by people like you is to disagree on
virtually any issue.

It could be that you can't defend your views with anything thought provoking, so you throw out the racist accusation in order to divert the discussion.

Again, I didn't throw out any race card, people like are the ones that are guilty of using race to avoid facing and dealing with issues.

What I did say, and all you need do is READ it, is the "the racist part of the party...."
You deny that the GOP has racists in it?

[PNW]

Cons did not Vote for Romney because he is likely the most progressive Republican in the party.
That and he was a Mormon.


The GOP did not fulfill its promise to stop many of the policies they do not like. Amnesty, and the ACA being the main 2. This was done out of Fear, and the GOP abandon it's base.

You are too much of a political hack to understand this. The DNC is now doing the exact same thing, which is funny if you think about it!

Repeat the lies often enough......


Racism, has always been and still is a major plank in the Democratic party. Under Johnson they changed tactics and have been following the path of corralling them in low paying jobs, in dangerous neighborhoods, with failing schools and trapping them in the Welfare system.

What Democrats did was just change the location of the plantation. If you don't think this is true, Look at any Conservative or Successful minority, that did not get there Fame and Fortune by exploiting the minority communities. Even the Amnesty programs are designed to take jobs from minority workers that are US citizens.
I figured you were smarter than to swallow the biggest most outlandish of the conservatives lies.....I guess I was mistaken.
Any thinking person can see right through this load of crap, but the right has been parroting it now for 40 years or more and it seems that some really are blind to reality.
Funny part, they claim others are "partisan hacks".


Just as a person that jumps to accuse people of being a thief or a liar is usually a thief or a liar themselves, those that scream Racism the loudest are usually the ones that are Racist.
Since you just made the claim that Democrats are racists, I would have to agree with your statement. Those that live in glass houses.....

[PNW]

So lets get this straight. the main Support of the Dem's is the poor , working Poor and lower middle class. So what you are saying is they are so smart that they can't figure out how to support themselves. You are also saying that those that have risen to Middle class and above are the stupid ones???

Which is a Funny ole way of looking at things don't you think???

Yes, I agree you do have a very funny way of looking at things, but what else can you do but attempt to twist and deny reality, you're a conservative and reality doesn't 'fit' your agenda.

[iolo]

Liberals use the words "racist" and "racism" more than any people on earth.

Well, they do live in the most racist society on earth, after all. You weirdoes never seem to talk about anything else except your bang-bangs.

[iolo]

So what do you think his major accomplishments are? And can you state the Results of those accomplishments.

And What policies that he pushed for have been blocked any actions that he wanted to achieve?

I am sure that you are not playing the race card for the sake of playing the Race card.

So I would also like to look at how Obama has improved the lives of minorities in the USA?????


Actually staying in power while you tried to sabotage all he tried to do, avoiding your gunmen the while. I never play cards, and I don't live in a racist society, so go play your silly games somewhere else.

[Peter1469]

lol

[Private Pickle]

Actually staying in power while you tried to sabotage all he tried to do, avoiding your gunmen the while. I never play cards, and I don't live in a racist society, so go play your silly games somewhere else.

The British...the shining light of equality...as long as you like the same soccer team...

There are A LOT of racists in Britain....

[MisterVeritis]

Can you explain how defending our borders, language, and culture (with a hat tip to Michael Savage) by building a wall, defending it, identifying, detaining and deporting illegal aliens, and all non-American Muslims is racist?

I want to peer more deeply into the dark mind of an anti-American leftist.

Seriously?
Read your post, that is explanation enough.
Perhaps you should have simply said, "No, MisterVeritis, I cannot explain how defending our borders, language and culture by building a wall, defending it, deporting illegal aliens and non-American Muslims is racist."

It is the racist who sees every issue in race terms.

[Mister D]

The British...the shining light of equality...as long as you like the same soccer team...

There are A LOT of racists in Britain....

Do we have another Brit pretending European attitudes toward immigration and "diversity" aren't negative?

[PNW]

Can you explain how defending our borders, language, and culture (with a hat tip to Michael Savage) by building a wall, defending it, identifying, detaining and deporting illegal aliens, and all non-American Muslims is racist?

I want to peer more deeply into the dark mind of an anti-American leftist.

Perhaps you should have simply said, "No, MisterVeritis, I cannot explain how defending our borders, language and culture by building a wall, defending it, deporting illegal aliens and non-American Muslims is racist."

It is the racist who sees every issue in race terms.


First you would have to earn being called 'mister' and you are far from that and second I explained it to you. If you can't understand it then get a 2nd grader to help you out.
Heres a hint, I'm not the one that sees anything in terms of race, you are.

[Don]

The Establishment GOP wants the exact same thing as the Establishment Dems. Greater government control over our lives.

It does amuse me to see people in either party express such hatred for the other. When in reality they are controlled by the same puppet master. :wink:

Its like Reagan said in 1964.
You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man's age-old dream-the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path. Plutarch warned, "The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits."
The Founding Fathers knew a government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. So we have come to a time for choosing.

[MisterVeritis]

First you would have to earn being called 'mister' and you are far from that and second I explained it to you. If you can't understand it then get a 2nd grader to help you out.
Heres a hint, I'm not the one that sees anything in terms of race, you are.
When one's intellect is insufficient to rise to the challenge a good dodge just might be the ticket.

You are not up to the challenge. But do not feel bad. I wanted to peer more deeply into the dark mind of an anti-American leftist. That darkness is all shadow. Emptiness. My error was in believing there was a mind to peer into.

I will endeavor to not allow this to happen again.

[Private Pickle]

Do we have another Brit pretending European attitudes toward immigration and "diversity" aren't negative?

Dime a dozen.

[PNW]

When one's intellect is insufficient to rise to the challenge a good dodge just might be the ticket.

You are not up to the challenge. But do not feel bad. I wanted to peer more deeply into the dark mind of an anti-American leftist. That darkness is all shadow. Emptiness. My error was in believing there was a mind to peer into.

I will endeavor to not allow this to happen again.
The hypocrisy is breath taking.

[Peter1469]

The hypocrisy is breath taking.

That hard left says that often. They are the source of hypocrisy.

It is funny.

:smiley:

[Tahuyaman]

Again, I didn't throw out any race card, people like are the ones that are guilty of using race to avoid facing and dealing with issues.

What I did say, and all you need do is READ it, is the "the racist part of the party...."
You deny that the GOP has racists in it?


That's crazy. You guys continually play the race card and when you get called on it you say "who, me"?

[Tahuyaman]

So what do you think his major accomplishments are?

The Somali pirates and Bin Laden were dealt with.

[Tahuyaman]

Well, they do live in the most racist society on earth, after all. You weirdoes never seem to talk about anything else except your bang-bangs.

I thought LSD was a thing of the past. Guess not.

[Ransom]

The Somali pirates and Bin Laden were dealt with.

That's not fair, T, you obviously haven't been reading of his golf game recently. He's lowered his handicap by 6 strokes since 2009.

And what of his March Madness picks? Have they not been more accurate as of late? He's getting better!

[PNW]

That's crazy. You guys continually play the race card and when you get called on it you say "who, me"?

Which of course you can't back up.
But keep whining and crying about, it seems to be......working.

[Mac-7]

Nice article that underscores how the GOP's efforts to topple Trump is to hide the fact that he "tell it like it is" with respect to the racist policies that the GOP pursues.


And as Greg Sargent has been diligently pointing out, there’s a more satisfying explanation for why Trump is so stubbornly popular among Republican base voters: they really like his anti-immigrant proposals and promises to deport all undocumented immigrants. The latest CNN poll of the Republican primary bears this out. It found that 53 percent of Republicans, 51 percent of conservatives, and 52 percent of self-identified Tea Party supporters believe the government “should attempt to deport all people currently living in the country illegally.” Strong pluralities of all three groups also believe that deporting all the immigrants will help the U.S. economy. This lines up perfectly with what Trump proposes, which may also explain why 48 percent of those polled say Trump is the best candidate to handle immigration.

Even if this doesn’t end up translating into a Trump nomination, it’s still a huge problem for the GOP, given its oft-repeated concerns about expanding the party’s demographic appeal beyond old, angry white people. Republicans and conservatives may soothe themselves with the idea that voters will eventually abandon Trump, but any attempt to explain why he’s risen in the first place would require the GOP to confront the unpleasant truth that they took an active role in creating this monster.

As Trump endures in the polls, I think more and more about the political significance of the child migrant crisis of the summer of 2014. With the midterm elections coming up and the GOP poised to make gains, the thousands of unaccompanied minors coming across the southern border offered a ripe opportunity to demagogue on immigration and bite back against some of Barack Obama’s executive orders granting deportation relief. The House GOP took full advantage and passed legislation that would have expedited deportations of children crossing the border, and separate legislation that would have ended the White House’s deferred-action program for undocumented immigrants brought to the country as children. They targeted people who had nothing to do with the migrant crisis as part of a broader message that the Republican policy position was “throw ‘em all out.”

That ugly display was followed up by a government-funding fight in which Republicans in the House and Senate threatened to shut down the Department of Homeland Security if Obama didn’t roll back is executive orders halting deportations for certain classes of undocumented immigrants. There was no chance of either of these legislative gambits working. They were all about sending a message: deport everyone.


http://www.salon.com/2015/12/04/gops_self_made_trump_dilemma_understanding_the_mon ster_of_their_own_creation/



You really should find smarter liberal to speak for you

this rant treats the Washington establishment as the entire Republican Party and it's not

the base voters already know what they are doing and don't need it explained to them by some liberal mouthpiece on the internet

[iolo]

The British...the shining light of equality...as long as you like the same soccer team...

There are A LOT of racists in Britain....

I know nothing about soccer. There are racists here, undoubtedly, but the capitalists' mugs are more concerned with hating Romanians and Bulgarians at the moment than with drivel about 'race'. The kind of racism they train people in to justify imperialism is far less deep that that required for slavery and lynching.

[Private Pickle]

I know nothing about soccer. There are racists here, undoubtedly, but the capitalists' mugs are more concerned with hating Romanians and Bulgarians at the moment than with drivel about 'race'. The kind of racism they train people in to justify imperialism is far less deep that that required for slavery and lynching.

:laugh: Education is your friend.

http://abolition.e2bn.org/slavery_45.html


To start with, British traders supplied slaves for the Spanish and Portuguese colonists in America. However, as British settlements in the Caribbean and North America grew, often through wars with European countries such as Holland, Spain and France, British slave traders increasingly supplied British colonies
The exact number of British ships (http://gallery.e2bn.org/image77563-abolition.html) that took part in the Slave Trade will probably never be known but, in the 245 years between Hawkins first voyage and the abolition of the Slave Trade in 1807, merchants in Britain despatched about 10,000 voyages to Africa for slaves, with merchants in other parts of the British Empire perhaps fitting out a further 1,150 voyages

[Tahuyaman]

That's not fair, T, you obviously haven't been reading of his golf game recently. He's lowered his handicap by 6 strokes since 2009.

And what of his March Madness picks? Have they not been more accurate as of late? He's getting better!

I know he plays a lot of golf, but I've never heard if he's any good?

[Subdermal]

It is amazing how the GOP/RNC has orchestrated their own down fall
If it weren't so dangerous for the country at this point it would be amusing, however the rightwing is so stupid and their voters even more dumb they can do some serious damage, even more damage, on their way out.
Conservatism is whats wrong with the nation, it's bringing down the GOP and the country at the same time.
The racist rightwing needs to split and form their own failure party before it's too late.

:loco:

While the naked emperor is busy opining away about the GOP, he hasn't noticed, apparently, that Bernie Sanders has arisen on the left for the exact same reasons.

[Subdermal]

Your party has been lying to you for generations, it's nothing new.
Big Govt
Spending
Tax cuts
Abortion, all of it is spoon fed lies and you all lapped it up, and now your lapping up a new set of lies.
Actually they are not new lies, it's just now delivered to you in a rougher, more simple minded package, and the same people are still lapping it up.
To attempt to take the high road here and say it's about the establishment, shows just how mush most of the cons are being used as tools.
Time to call conservatism what it really is, Fascism.
Pure and simple.

And cons didn't vote for mittens because he is a Mormon, no other reason. It's just that none of you cons have the guts to admit it.

Welcome to one of the more preciously ignorant leftist partisans we've had here in awhile, and one who is nearly certainly a guy who was previously banned here: the name escapes me, because his positions were that laughable.

Romney caused approximately 4 million conservative voters to stay home because he wasn't strong enough, and didn't condemn Obama and his failed policies enough. He was perceived - correctly - as yet another RINO, while we were looking for someone to challenge the PTB, and bring down the facade the GOP presented: a facade which was simply complicit in the leftist agenda which has really been behind our country's degradation.

[Peter1469]

Welcome to one of the more preciously ignorant leftist partisans we've had here in awhile, and one who is nearly certainly a guy who was previously banned here: the name escapes me, because his positions were that laughable.

Romney caused approximately 4 million conservative voters to stay home because he wasn't strong enough, and didn't condemn Obama and his failed policies enough. He was perceived - correctly - as yet another RINO, while we were looking for someone to challenge the PTB, and bring down the facade the GOP presented: a facade which was simply complicit in the leftist agenda which has really been behind our country's degradation.

If his name pops into your mind report it to the Mods.

I think you nailed it on the head. So to speak.

[PNW]

:loco:

While the naked emperor is busy opining away about the GOP, he hasn't noticed, apparently, that Bernie Sanders has arisen on the left for the exact same reasons.
So the rightwing media keeps telling you.
When was the last time the your media was correct about anything?

[PNW]

Welcome to one of the more preciously ignorant leftist partisans we've had here in awhile, and one who is nearly certainly a guy who was previously banned here: the name escapes me, because his positions were that laughable.

Romney caused approximately 4 million conservative voters to stay home because he wasn't strong enough, and didn't condemn Obama and his failed policies enough. He was perceived - correctly - as yet another RINO, while we were looking for someone to challenge the PTB, and bring down the facade the GOP presented: a facade which was simply complicit in the leftist agenda which has really been behind our country's degradation.
Childish insults and lies, the last vestige of the desperate.
Nice try.

[Mister D]

:laugh: Education is your friend.

http://abolition.e2bn.org/slavery_45.html

I mean seriously...

[Subdermal]

It is amazing how the GOP/RNC has orchestrated their own down fall
If it weren't so dangerous for the country at this point it would be amusing, however the rightwing is so stupid and their voters even more dumb they can do some serious damage, even more damage, on their way out.
Conservatism is whats wrong with the nation, it's bringing down the GOP and the country at the same time.
The racist rightwing needs to split and form their own failure party before it's too late.


Your party has been lying to you for generations, it's nothing new.
Big Govt
Spending
Tax cuts
Abortion, all of it is spoon fed lies and you all lapped it up, and now your lapping up a new set of lies.
Actually they are not new lies, it's just now delivered to you in a rougher, more simple minded package, and the same people are still lapping it up.
To attempt to take the high road here and say it's about the establishment, shows just how mush most of the cons are being used as tools.
Time to call conservatism what it really is, Fascism.
Pure and simple.

And cons didn't vote for mittens because he is a Mormon, no other reason. It's just that none of you cons have the guts to admit it.


Childish insults and lies, the last vestige of the desperate.
Nice try.

:biglaugh:

You said it. LOL

[iolo]

:laugh: Education is your friend.

http://abolition.e2bn.org/slavery_45.html

As you know, the small minority that owned slaves abroad was ridiculously compensated when we abolished slavery in all British colonies, thus establishing the finances of the modern tory party, because everyone else hated their dirty trade. Slavery was always illegal in the home country, and as soon as people became much aware of it abroad, a huge abolitionist movement grew up, delighting in the poster of a slave under the question 'Am I not a man and a brother?' The answer was a resounding 'Yes', and we never had to fight any wars - only a few scumbags ever believed in slavery, and most were converted to decency. The man who wrote 'Amazing Grace' was an example, a slaver who ended up fighting for abolition. I have also heard that, in the last days of the Trade in the Gold Coast, the traders were refusing communion, knowing better than to eat and drink their own destruction when not doing so in a state of grace. To pretend the British were ever for slavery is a task beyond your strength, sonny.

[iolo]

Do we have another Brit pretending European attitudes toward immigration and "diversity" aren't negative?

Where do you get that from?

[iolo]

I thought LSD was a thing of the past. Guess not.

How else would you racist nutters keep going, hiding there under your beds?

[Private Pickle]

As you know, the small minority that owned slaves abroad was ridiculously compensated when we abolished slavery in all British colonies, thus establishing the finances of the modern tory party, because everyone else hated their dirty trade. Slavery was always illegal in the home country, and as soon as people became much aware of it abroad, a huge abolitionist movement grew up, delighting in the poster of a slave under the question 'Am I not a man and a brother?' The answer was a resounding 'Yes', and we never had to fight any wars - only a few scumbags ever believed in slavery, and most were converted to decency. The man who wrote 'Amazing Grace' was an example, a slaver who ended up fighting for abolition. I have also heard that, in the last days of the Trade in the Gold Coast, the traders were refusing communion, knowing better than to eat and drink their own destruction when not doing so in a state of grace. To pretend the British were ever for slavery is a task beyond your strength, sonny.

We went through the same abolishment about 40 years later. Any reason why Britain's involvement doesn't count but the U.S.' does?

[Tahuyaman]

How else would you racist nutters keep going, hiding there under your beds?

There you go with the racist suit again. You have no evidence to back that other than this silly notion that if someone disagrees with you on anything, they must be a racist.

[iolo]

We went through the same abolishment about 40 years later. Any reason why Britain's involvement doesn't count but the U.S.' does?

Did it carry the majority with it? It hardly sounds so nowadays.

[iolo]

There you go with the racist suit again. You have no evidence to back that other than this silly notion that if someone disagrees with you on anything, they must be a racist.

It seems to me that racist ranting about 'blacks' is so common amongst you as to be near-universal, so naturally, like the rest of the world, I assume that is your position.

[Safety]

As you know, the small minority that owned slaves abroad was ridiculously compensated when we abolished slavery in all British colonies, thus establishing the finances of the modern tory party, because everyone else hated their dirty trade. Slavery was always illegal in the home country, and as soon as people became much aware of it abroad, a huge abolitionist movement grew up, delighting in the poster of a slave under the question 'Am I not a man and a brother?' The answer was a resounding 'Yes', and we never had to fight any wars - only a few scumbags ever believed in slavery, and most were converted to decency. The man who wrote 'Amazing Grace' was an example, a slaver who ended up fighting for abolition. I have also heard that, in the last days of the Trade in the Gold Coast, the traders were refusing communion, knowing better than to eat and drink their own destruction when not doing so in a state of grace. To pretend the British were ever for slavery is a task beyond your strength, sonny.

Damn, that's going to sting...

[Safety]

We went through the same abolishment about 40 years later. Any reason why Britain's involvement doesn't count but the U.S.' does?

They didn't fight a civil war over it.

[Mister D]

Damn, that's going to sting...

Unless you know that British participation in the slave trade began in the late 16th Century and, at its peak, around 40% of the trade was carried in British vessels.

Oops LoL

[Mister D]

They didn't fight a civil war over it.

Probably because they were smart enough to to sell the blacks to someone else. :laugh:

[Safety]

Unless you know that British participation in the slave trade began in the late 16th Century and, at its peak, around 40% of the trade was carried in British vessels.

Oops LoL

And? Was there some sort of discussion that Britain wasn't involved in the slave trade?

[Safety]

Probably because they were smart enough to to sell the blacks to someone else. :laugh:

Or they became enlightened sooner than the south.

f'kn oops.

[Mister D]

Or they became enlightened sooner than the south.

f'kn oops.

Easy to do when you don't have to live with them. :laugh:

[Mister D]

And? Was there some sort of discussion that Britain wasn't involved in the slave trade?

There was this.


As you know, the small minority that owned slaves abroad was ridiculously compensated when we abolished slavery in all British colonies, thus establishing the finances of the modern tory party, because everyone else hated their dirty trade. Slavery was always illegal in the home country, and as soon as people became much aware of it abroad, a huge abolitionist movement grew up, delighting in the poster of a slave under the question 'Am I not a man and a brother?' The answer was a resounding 'Yes', and we never had to fight any wars - only a few scumbags ever believed in slavery, and most were converted to decency. The man who wrote 'Amazing Grace' was an example, a slaver who ended up fighting for abolition. I have also heard that, in the last days of the Trade in the Gold Coast, the traders were refusing communion, knowing better than to eat and drink their own destruction when not doing so in a state of grace. To pretend the British were ever for slavery is a task beyond your strength, sonny.

And there was you telling us it had to sting. Except...well now you know. :laugh:

[Safety]

Easy to do when you don't have to live with them. :laugh:

Until their daughter dates one.

f'kn oops, again.

[Safety]

There was this.



And there was you telling us it had to sting. Except...well now you know. :laugh:

You mean like this passage...


the small minority that owned slaves abroad was ridiculously compensated when we abolished slavery in all British colonies, thus establishing the finances of the modern tory party, because everyone else hated their dirty trade.

What does that mean to you? That nobody is denying that Britain was involved in the slave trade?

Thanks, need another?

[Mac-7]

They didn't fight a civil war over it.

Neither did America.

or at best (or worst) slavery was only a side issue

[Safety]

Neither did America.

or at best (or worst) slavery was only a side issue

:rofl:

Sure it was.

[Mac-7]

f'kn oops.

Why do you keep evading the rules and posting in bad faith?

[Mister D]

Until their daughter dates one.

f'kn oops, again.

Um...that's sort of what they were able to avoid, Safety. You're catching on. :laugh:

[Mac-7]

:rofl:

Sure it was.

There we are.

The self proclaimed moderate who always manages to only see the liberal side of every issue

[Mister D]

You mean like this passage...



What does that mean to you? That nobody is denying that Britain was involved in the slave trade?

Thanks, need another?

This was my favorite


only a few scumbags ever believed in slavery

Yeah, OK :laugh: It was just a trade Britain dominated for a century.

[Mister D]

The development of the trade

Portugal and Britain were the two most ‘successful’ slave-trading countries accountingfor about 70% of all Africans transported to the Americas. Britain was the mostdominant between 1640 and 1807 when the British slave trade was abolished. It isestimated that Britain transported 3.1 million Africans (of whom 2.7 million arrived) tothe British colonies in the Caribbean, North and South America and to other countries. The early African companies developed English trade and trade routes in the 16th and17th centuries, but it was not until the opening up of Africa and the slave trade to allEnglish merchants in 1698 that Britain began to become dominant.The slave trade was carried out from many British ports, but the three most importantports were London (1660-1720s), Bristol (1720s-1740s) and Liverpool (1740s-1807),which became extremely wealthy. Under the1799 Slave Trade Act, the slave tradewas restricted to these three ports

Oopsie daisy! :laugh:

[Mister D]

Yeah, American planters were the real racist assholes. The British just sold them the blacks. :smiley_ROFLMAO:

[Safety]

Um...that's sort of what they were able to avoid, Safety. You're catching on. :laugh:

Did you check into emigrating there, then? I mean Jersey isn't exactly the hot spot for cultural purity...

[Mister D]

Did you check into emigrating there, then? I mean Jersey isn't exactly the hot spot for cultural purity...

It doesn't sound bad. Apparently, I can sell Negroes at discount prices and not be a racist! :laugh:

[Private Pickle]

did it carry the majority with it? It hardly sounds so nowadays.

lol

[Safety]

This was my favorite



Yeah, OK :laugh: It was just a trade Britain dominated for a century.

Compared to the dirty work of trading and owning? "Oh look, they did it also, see, our hands are clean"... :biglaugh:

[Safety]

It doesn't sound bad. Apparently, I can sell Negroes at discount prices and not be a racist! :laugh:

It's the small things that matter. Say hi to the new Bond for me, lol.

[Private Pickle]

They didn't fight a civil war over it.

They almost did but it's a moot point. The result was the same and we abolished it not long after Britain. Simple fact.

[Mister D]

Compared to the dirty work of trading and owning? "Oh look, they did it also, see, our hands are clean"... :biglaugh:

Um, buying and selling is the "dirty work of trading". :laugh:

[Private Pickle]

Compared to the dirty work of trading and owning? "Oh look, they did it also, see, our hands are clean"... :biglaugh:

You don't get it do you? The English bought (owned) the slaves and then traded them in the Americas... It's their pointing of the finger and soap boxing that is being pointed out here...not any defense of American slavery...

[Mister D]

It's the small things that matter. Say hi to the new Bond for me, lol.

Small things!? It made Bristol and Liverpool rich!

Fuck that guy I'm going to sell him!

[Safety]

There we are.

The self proclaimed moderate who always manages to only see the liberal side of every issue

.....

[Safety]

Small things!? It made Bristol and Liverpool rich!

Just like the South.

[Mister D]

You don't get it do you? The English bought (owned) the slaves and then traded them in the Americas... It's their pointing of the finger and soap boxing that is being pointed out here...not any defense of American slavery...

It's just fucking hysterical. I get a real kick out of our Brits.

[Common Sense]

They almost did but it's a moot point. The result was the same and we abolished it not long after Britain. Simple fact.

1783 vs. 1865 isn't exactly "not long".

[Mister D]

Just like the South.

Yepper.

[Safety]

You don't get it do you? The English bought (owned) the slaves and then traded them in the Americas... It's their pointing of the finger and soap boxing that is being pointed out here...not any defense of American slavery...

Oh I get it. But the appeal to hypocrisy doesn't quite work when comparing apples to oranges.

[Safety]

1783 vs. 1865 isn't exactly "not long".

Amazing.

[Mister D]

Oh I get it. But the appeal to hypocrisy doesn't quite work when comparing apples to oranges.

Right. The British weren't so bad. They just sold blacks. :laugh:

[Safety]

Um, buying and selling is the "dirty work of trading". :laugh:

So is using, which ironically are the ones, just like drugs, who get caught. In this instance, gets to claim "We evolved first".

[Safety]

Right. The British weren't so bad. They just sold blacks. :laugh:

You sound a little envious...

[Mister D]

So is using, which ironically are the ones, just like drugs, who get caught. In this instance, gets to claim "We evolved first".

WTF did he just say? I think he's punch drunk.

[Private Pickle]

Just like the South.

The South was never "rich". Slavery lined the pockets of the vast minority. Most Americans never owned slaves...

[Mister D]

You sound a little envious...

We'll see how much I get for that Bond guy...

[Private Pickle]

1783 vs. 1865 isn't exactly "not long".

Try 1809.

[Safety]

They almost did but it's a moot point. The result was the same and we abolished it not long after Britain. Simple fact.

Pretty funny...82 years afterwards = "not long after".

But, 51 years afterwards = "that's long in the past"....

[Common Sense]

Try 1809.

Technically 1807 the salve trade was made illegal.

[Safety]

The South was never "rich". Slavery lined the pockets of the vast minority. Most Americans never owned slaves...

Most Britians never traded slaves. Moot point.

[Safety]

We'll see how much I get for that Bond guy...

Make sure you send a postcard.

[Private Pickle]

Oh I get it. But the appeal to hypocrisy doesn't quite work when comparing apples to oranges.

Well ignoring blatant facts can also be problematic. Not knowing history is another issue.

[Private Pickle]

Most Britians never traded slaves. Moot point.

So slavery is now a moot point! Thank you! How progressive of you to not fall back on that anymore as a black American male. Progress!

[Private Pickle]

Pretty funny...82 years afterwards = "not long after".

But, 51 years afterwards = "that's long in the past"....

Wut?

Britain abolished the slave trade in 1809.

[Safety]

So slavery is now a moot point! Thank you! How progressive of you to not fall back on that anymore as a black American male. Progress!

No, your point you were trying to make is moot. Judging by your reactions, you believe it also.

[Private Pickle]

Technically 1807 the salve trade was made illegal.

They actually only started to enforce it in the 1820s....technically...

[Safety]

Well ignoring blatant facts can also be problematic. Not knowing history is another issue.

Then don't do it.

[Private Pickle]

No, your point you were trying to make is moot. Judging by your reactions, you believe it also.

You admitted slavery is now a moot point. Own it and don't try to dance your way out with ad homs.

[Private Pickle]

Then don't do it.

You first.

[Safety]

You admitted slavery is now a moot point. Own it and don't try to dance your way out with ad homs.

Nope, you erected that strawman so you can try to make an easier argument. Try again.

[Private Pickle]

Nope, you erected that strawman so you can try to make an easier argument. Try again.

LOL Did you or did you not say that because most British didn't trade slaves their involvement was a moot point? Or were you just trolling? Again...

[Safety]

LOL Did you or did you not say that because most British didn't trade slaves their involvement was a moot point? Or were you just trolling? Again...

No, evidently reading comprehension escapes you, again...


The South was never "rich". Slavery lined the pockets of the vast minority. Most Americans never owned slaves...


Most Britians never traded slaves. Moot point.

Your point in trying to say most Americans never owned slaves to try and discredit Britain's involvement in trading slaves is the moot point, because most Britians didn't trade slaves. But you knew that, so either you are trying to be intellectually dishonest, or willfully lying, which is it?

[Private Pickle]

No, evidently reading comprehension escapes you, again...





Your point in trying to say most Americans never owned slaves to try and discredit Britain's involvement in trading slaves is the moot point, because most Britians didn't trade slaves. But you knew that, so either you are trying to be intelligently dishonest, or wilfully lying, which is it?

Why would I point to the fact that most Americans never owned slave in order to discredit Britain's involvement in trading slaves? I never did that...

Option 3: You are creating an argument and attributing it to me falsely. Either you are trying to be "intelligently" {sic} dishonest or "wilfully" {sic} lying...which is it?

Or were you just mistaken?

[Safety]

Why would I point to the fact that most Americans never owned slave in order to discredit Britain's involvement in trading slaves? I never did that...

Option 3: You are creating an argument and attributing it to me falsely. Either you are trying to be "intelligently" {sic} dishonest or "wilfully" {sic} lying...which is it?

Or were you just mistaken?

Because your entire participation in the thread was trying to contrast Britain's involvement and abolishment of the slave trade with America's involvement and abolishment in slavery. Bottom line is Britain abolished their involvement in slaves at least a generation before America did.

[Private Pickle]

Because your entire participation in the thread was trying to contrast Britain's involvement and abolishment of the slave trade with America's involvement and abolishment in slavery. Bottom line is Britain abolished their involvement in slaves at least a generation before America did.

50 years give or take. Only 40ish if you actually look at enforcement.

[AZ Jim]

They were all about sending a message: deport everyone. Sounds good, can I have the Republican membership list please?

[Safety]

50 years give or take. Only 40ish if you actually look at enforcement.

Still a generation.

[texan]

This "Trump Problem" is greatly overblown by the media.......................................Most republicans and the republican party will line up behind him.

Lindsey Graham?

Mitt Romney?

Couple losers?

Who cares!

[Common Sense]

This "Trump Problem" is greatly overblown by the media.......................................Most republicans and the republican party will line up behind him.

Lindsey Graham?

Mitt Romney?

Couple losers?

Who cares!

Really? Have you not listened to what Republican leaders have been saying?

[Private Pickle]

Still a generation.

Bully on them!

Saudi Arabia still has rampant slavery.

Regardless, slavery was abolished from this country 152 years ago. How long do you plan on milking it?

[Safety]

Bully on them!

Saudi Arabia still has rampant slavery.

Regardless, slavery was abolished from this country 152 years ago. How long do you plan on milking it?

Changing goalposts won't help your argument, but proceed guv'ner.

[Private Pickle]

Changing goalposts won't help your argument, but proceed guv'ner.

Do you even know my argument or are you just trolling? Again....

[del]

Neither did America.

or at best (or worst) slavery was only a side issue


In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course. Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun.

http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/primarysources/declarationofcauses.html

lol

[Safety]

Do you even know my argument or are you just trolling? Again....

Evidently it is to make sure people know their place that America is above any criticism that another country did something better....swell job you're doing so far.

[Private Pickle]

Evidently it is to make sure people know their place that America is above any criticism that another country did something better....swell job you're doing so far.

Trolling. That's what I thought. You're a shining example of great membership here let alone...a leader... You must be proud...

[del]

Still a generation.

two, but who's counting, really?

[del]

Trolling. That's what I thought. You're a shining example of great membership here let alone...a leader... You must be proud...

you whining about trolling is pretty funny.

[Private Pickle]

you whining about trolling is pretty funny.

I'm game. This thread is gone anyway and rightly so...

[Private Pickle]

two, but who's counting, really?

Six since we abolished slavery! Good point skippy! Have one on me!

[Safety]

Trolling. That's what I thought. You're a shining example of great membership here let alone...a leader... You must be proud...

Pretty f'n funny, considering the source. I see your accusation of trolling and raise you an ad hom.

[del]

Six since we abolished slavery! Good point skippy! Have one on me!

try breathing into a paper bag

[Private Pickle]

Pretty f'n funny, considering the source. I see your accusation of trolling and raise you an ad hom.

What was it you said? "I only put in what I take out."

You made your bed...now ya gotta sleep in it.. ;)

[Private Pickle]

try breathing into a paper bag

Try punctuations.

[del]

Try punctuations.

why

[Private Pickle]

why

I could ask you the same thing...

[Mister D]

Do you even know my argument or are you just trolling? Again....

No, Safety prefers to tell you what your argument is and then you're being dishonest when you try to slip out of hs clever trap. Be careful though! When you try to escape del we will be there with a "lol". :laugh:

[Safety]

No, Safety prefers to tell you what your argument is and then you're being dishonest when you try to slip out of hs clever trap. Be careful though! When you try to escape del we will be there with a "lol". :laugh:

Now I'm a trapper?

:biglaugh:

[Mister D]

Now I'm a trapper?

:biglaugh:

No, just a black dude with bad cracks. Hope you can play ball. :laugh:

[Safety]

No, just a black dude with bad cracks. Hope you can play ball. :laugh:

That's mighty white of ya to notice.

[Mister D]

Make sure you send a postcard.

Could you use a Negro? You have a farm doncha? :laugh:

[Mister D]

So slavery is now a moot point! Thank you! How progressive of you to not fall back on that anymore as a black American male. Progress!

Incredible, isn't it?

[Safety]

Could you use a Negro? You have a farm doncha? :laugh:

Have one in your back pocket?

[Mister D]

That's mighty white of ya to notice.

I'm all about whiteness but sometimes I say I'm all about being European to throw people off! It's a clever ruse! :laugh: Ain't that right, Safety?

[Mister D]

Have one in your back pocket?

My wallet is back there. :undecided:

[del]

I could ask you the same thing...

you could

[del]

Now I'm a trapper?

:biglaugh:

lol

[iolo]

Unless you know that British participation in the slave trade began in the late 16th Century and, at its peak, around 40% of the trade was carried in British vessels.

Oops LoL

When exactly did anyone in the British population vote for these scoundrels?

[iolo]

There was this.



And there was you telling us it had to sting. Except...well now you know. :laugh:

They obviously don't teach reading very well in your part of the world. Obviously the rich in Britain were often criminals, as is the case everywhere. The question is whether the British people ever supported this abomination.

[iolo]

Neither did America.

or at best (or worst) slavery was only a side issue

Well, a couple of my Wife's Chartist ancestors went over specifically to fight for the North on exactly this issue, as did so very many 'Welsh' volunteers for the Union army, so it wasn't a side issue for decent people, was it?

[Safety]

They obviously don't teach reading very well in your part of the world. Obviously the rich in Britain were often criminals, as is the case everywhere. The question is whether the British people ever supported thisd abomination.

Damn, oops again.

[iolo]

This was my favorite



Yeah, OK :laugh: It was just a trade Britain dominated for a century.

No -the rich dominated it, as well you know. What the hell is 'Britain' if you don't include the majority of those who live there? Typical right-wing nonsense, this!

[iolo]

You don't get it do you? The English bought (owned) the slaves and then traded them in the Americas... It's their pointing of the finger and soap boxing that is being pointed out here...not any defense of American slavery...

No, 'the English' have little in common, even a government, and they certainly didn't support slavery, as you know.

[iolo]

Small things!? It made Bristol and Liverpool rich!

The vast number of very poor people in the two cities never seem to have been given this glad news!

[Mac-7]

Well, a couple of my Wife's Chartist ancestors went over specifically to fight for the North on exactly this issue, as did so very many 'Welsh' volunteers for the Union army, so it wasn't a side issue for decent people, was it?

Do you really expect me to believe that?

[Safety]

LoL

[Private Pickle]

No, Safety prefers to tell you what your argument is and then you're being dishonest when you try to slip out of hs clever trap. Be careful though! When you try to escape del we will be there with a "lol". :laugh:

I hope it's just a phase he is going through....

[Private Pickle]

No, 'the English' have little in common, even a government, and they certainly didn't support slavery, as you know.
Your name should be lolol... It's fitting...

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjUkrOLvbbLAhUEyYMKHZXRAj0QFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fabolition.e2bn.org%2Fslavery_45.h tml&usg=AFQjCNGehaY7iUdaDQi1wuE4_KQKMzAysw&bvm=bv.116573086,d.amc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_Trade_Act_1807

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0ahUKEwjUkrOLvbbLAhUEyYMKHZXRAj0QFggvMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nationalarchives.gov.uk%2Fsla very%2Fpdf%2Fbritain-and-the-trade.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFyppzNOZEj2vBuA2ZCiIVxY74Shw

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0ahUKEwjUkrOLvbbLAhUEyYMKHZXRAj0QFgg2MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nationalarchives.gov.uk%2Fhel p-with-your-research%2Fresearch-guides%2Fbritish-transatlantic-slave-trade-records%2F&usg=AFQjCNHdx3W-572wU1io8r_4M3gclh3BQg

Knowledge is power...and it will help you from looking like a simpleton on an internet forum.

[del]

don't count on it

[MisterVeritis]

Pretty f'n funny, considering the source. I see your accusation of trolling and raise you an ad hom.
Your avatar has a very nice, uh, weapon.

[iolo]

Do you really expect me to believe that?

If you are a right-wing American, no - they all hate truth, don't they? They had an excellent programme of letters from 'Welsh' soldiers in the Union Army over here a couple of years ago, which made this very clear, but you'd need to speak our language to follow it. As to my Wife's ancestors, I could, at a push, get the details, but you wouldn't believe that either, would you? Must be funny world you conspiracy-nutters live in!

[iolo]

Your name should be lolol... It's fitting...

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjUkrOLvbbLAhUEyYMKHZXRAj0QFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fabolition.e2bn.org%2Fslavery_45.h tml&usg=AFQjCNGehaY7iUdaDQi1wuE4_KQKMzAysw&bvm=bv.116573086,d.amc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_Trade_Act_1807

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0ahUKEwjUkrOLvbbLAhUEyYMKHZXRAj0QFggvMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nationalarchives.gov.uk%2Fsla very%2Fpdf%2Fbritain-and-the-trade.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFyppzNOZEj2vBuA2ZCiIVxY74Shw

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0ahUKEwjUkrOLvbbLAhUEyYMKHZXRAj0QFgg2MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nationalarchives.gov.uk%2Fhel p-with-your-research%2Fresearch-guides%2Fbritish-transatlantic-slave-trade-records%2F&usg=AFQjCNHdx3W-572wU1io8r_4M3gclh3BQg

Knowledge is power...and it will help you from looking like a simpleton on an internet forum.

If you have anything to say, please say it. Life is short.

[Mac-7]

If you are a right-wing American, no - they all hate truth, don't they? They had an excellent programme of letters from 'Welsh' soldiers in the Union Army over here a couple of years ago, which made this very clear, but you'd need to speak our language to follow it. As to my Wife's ancestors, I could, at a push, get the details, but you wouldn't believe that either, would you. Must be funny world you conspiracy-nutters live in!

There were immigrants from europe and the uk that settled in the north and fought for the union.

But i dont think many came to America specifically to be in the war.

[Peter1469]

If you are a right-wing American, no - they all hate truth, don't they? They had an excellent programme of letters from 'Welsh' soldiers in the Union Army over here a couple of years ago, which made this very clear, but you'd need to speak our language to follow it. As to my Wife's ancestors, I could, at a push, get the details, but you wouldn't believe that either, would you. Must be funny world you conspiracy-nutters live in!

Limited government. That is all.

[Cigar]

Limited government. That is all.

Keep Government out of Women's Vagina's, there's not enough room :grin:

[Peter1469]

Keep Government out of Women's Vagina's, there's not enough room :grin:

Agreed.

Limited government. Self reliant.

Don't request government assistant cradle to grave.

[Private Pickle]

If you have anything to say, please say it. Life is short.

Derp.

[iolo]

Derp.

Ah - at your own level again, eh?

[Private Pickle]

Ah - at your own level again, eh?

At yours.