One does not have to be convicted to have commited

[zelmo1234]

So in another thread we were talking about Mrs. Clinton and her being a Felon.

And the other posters had mentioned that She has not been convicted, THIS IS TRUE, so she is not a convicted Felon yet, though I believe we are not that far away, from this happening.

But this does not mean that she has not committed a Felony. Clearly Mrs. Clinton has violated the law.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/hillary-clinton-disclosing-records-form/2015/03/11/id/629656/

So we actually know that She has committed the Felony, what remains to be seen is if she will be convicted, This of course remains to be seen, but every week that goes by, things are not getting any better for her.

So in is my OPINION that she is a Felon, though I would agree 100% that she is not a convicted Felon

[Dangermouse]

Innocent until proven guilty by a court is the standard. You fail.

[Peter1469]

Innocent until proven guilty by a court is the standard. You fail.


This forum isn't a court.

She is a crook. I expect that she will be indicted, unlike Zelmo.

I think she will plead to a misdemeanor.

[Ethereal]

Innocent until proven guilty by a court is the standard. You fail.

Unlike all the people Clinton has helped to put in the grave...

[Ethereal]

Whether or not Clinton is in technical violation of some statute doesn't much matter to me. By any objective standard of morality and decency, she is a criminal and an evildoer. Anyone who thinks otherwise has lost their moral compass.

[hanger4]

This forum isn't a court.

She is a crook. I expect that she will be indicted, unlike Zelmo.

I think she will plead to a misdemeanor.

IMHO it's what's in the 30,000 plus emails that the FBI recovered.

[Beevee]

Trump is guilty of inciting violence.

McConnell is guilty of destroying the GOP.

Cruz is guilty of lying because Trump says he does.

Rubio is guilty of wasting peoples time when he can't win the nomination.

In America anyone can claim that someone is guilty of something because the cost of litigation is so high that only people like Trump can afford to use it.

So, since bringing charges to prove guilt no longer matters to Americans, you are all guilty.

[Ethereal]

Trump is guilty of inciting violence.

McConnell is guilty of destroying the GOP.

Cruz is guilty of lying because Trump says he does.

Rubio is guilty of wasting peoples time when he can't win the nomination.

In America anyone can claim that someone is guilty of something because the cost of litigation is so high that only people like Trump can afford to use it.

So, since bringing charges to prove guilt no longer matters to Americans, you are all guilty.

Don't forget that Hillary is guilty of needlessly killing hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq, Libya, and Syria. War-mongers should be held accountable, don't you agree?

[zelmo1234]

Innocent until proven guilty by a court is the standard. You fail.

You forgot to read the entire post, and did not see the OPINION part did you?

[zelmo1234]

Trump is guilty of inciting violence.

McConnell is guilty of destroying the GOP.

Cruz is guilty of lying because Trump says he does.

Rubio is guilty of wasting peoples time when he can't win the nomination.

In America anyone can claim that someone is guilty of something because the cost of litigation is so high that only people like Trump can afford to use it.

So, since bringing charges to prove guilt no longer matters to Americans, you are all guilty.

AWWWW you forgot to read the OP too!!!! You are saying that they are guilty. I stated that I believe that she committed??? Not Convicted. I made a point to say that it was my OPINION.

You and the rest of the Democrats seem to be having a vocabulary problem. The reason for this post was to clarify a position, I can't do it is True's posts because she bans me as soon as I post, which is fine, it is her thread.

[zelmo1234]

Don't forget that Hillary is guilty of needlessly killing hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq, Libya, and Syria. War-mongers should be held accountable, don't you agree?

No she was tricked by Bush Remember???? And What difference does that make anyway :)

[AZ Jim]

So in another thread we were talking about Mrs. Clinton and her being a Felon.

And the other posters had mentioned that She has not been convicted, THIS IS TRUE, so she is not a convicted Felon yet, though I believe we are not that far away, from this happening.

But this does not mean that she has not committed a Felony. Clearly Mrs. Clinton has violated the law.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/hillary-clinton-disclosing-records-form/2015/03/11/id/629656/

So we actually know that She has committed the Felony, what remains to be seen is if she will be convicted, This of course remains to be seen, but every week that goes by, things are not getting any better for her.

So in is my OPINION that she is a Felon, though I would agree 100% that she is not a convicted FelonShe's not even an indited felon and will never be since she broke no laws. Keep dreaming though....

[AZ Jim]

This forum isn't a court.

She is a crook. I expect that she will be indicted, unlike Zelmo.

I think she will plead to a misdemeanor.You too are wrong. No soup for you.

[AeonPax]

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What Clinton did pales into insignificance when one considers that the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocent people are on the hands two world class criminals guilty of heinous crimes against humanity; Bush and Cheney.

[Ethereal]

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What Clinton did pales into insignificance when one considers that the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocent people are on the hands two world class criminals guilty of heinous crimes against humanity; Bush and Cheney.

Everything that Bush and Cheney were involved in, Clinton was, too. She sanctioned everything they did, and then some.

[Quicksilver]

She's not even an indited felon and will never be since she broke no laws. Keep dreaming though....

It's that damn wishing on a star thing... lol!!

[AeonPax]

Everything that Bush and Cheney were involved in, Clinton was, too. She sanctioned everything they did, and then some.
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You are most likely right. Hillary served as a United States Senator from New York, between January 3, 2001 – January 21, 2009.

[Beevee]

Don't forget that Hillary is guilty of needlessly killing hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq, Libya, and Syria. War-mongers should be held accountable, don't you agree?

Only if it's true. Proof? BTW, don't forget to include G.W.Bush in the same statement.

[Beevee]

AWWWW you forgot to read the OP too!!!! You are saying that they are guilty. I stated that I believe that she committed??? Not Convicted. I made a point to say that it was my OPINION.

You and the rest of the Democrats seem to be having a vocabulary problem. The reason for this post was to clarify a position, I can't do it is True's posts because she bans me as soon as I post, which is fine, it is her thread.

You are too quick to jump to conclusions. I'm saying that's what Americans think. I don't believe anyone should be tarred with a guilty verdict before they are convicted but that's far to difficult for Americans to understand.

[Kurmugeon]

This forum isn't a court.

She is a crook. I expect that she will be indicted, unlike Zelmo.

I think she will plead to a misdemeanor.

Deliberately, repeatedly, mishandling classified information is a "Misdemeanor"?

Is everyone with access to classified information going to be held to that "Standard"?

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[Beevee]

`
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What Clinton did pales into insignificance when one considers that the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocent people are on the hands two world class criminals guilty of heinous crimes against humanity; Bush and Cheney.

If you choose to use that analogy, why not include Harry Truman who consigned 240,000 people to dust inside of one second?

[Cigar]

So in another thread we were talking about Mrs. Clinton and her being a Felon.

And the other posters had mentioned that She has not been convicted, THIS IS TRUE, so she is not a convicted Felon yet, though I believe we are not that far away, from this happening.

But this does not mean that she has not committed a Felony. Clearly Mrs. Clinton has violated the law.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/hillary-clinton-disclosing-records-form/2015/03/11/id/629656/

So we actually know that She has committed the Felony, what remains to be seen is if she will be convicted, This of course remains to be seen, but every week that goes by, things are not getting any better for her.

So in is my OPINION that she is a Felon, though I would agree 100% that she is not a convicted Felon

Correct me if I'm wrong, don't you have to be convicted of a Felony to be a Felon?

If not, I guess George W and his Dick are Felon's :laugh:

[Quicksilver]

Not in Conservaturd land

[AZ Jim]

So in another thread we were talking about Mrs. Clinton and her being a Felon.

And the other posters had mentioned that She has not been convicted, THIS IS TRUE, so she is not a convicted Felon yet, though I believe we are not that far away, from this happening.

But this does not mean that she has not committed a Felony. Clearly Mrs. Clinton has violated the law.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/hillary-clinton-disclosing-records-form/2015/03/11/id/629656/

So we actually know that She has committed the Felony, what remains to be seen is if she will be convicted, This of course remains to be seen, but every week that goes by, things are not getting any better for her.

So in is my OPINION that she is a Felon, though I would agree 100% that she is not a convicted Felon Based upon your posts your opinion isn't worth shit!

[Common Sense]

I thought the whole "words have meaning" thing was bog around these parts?

A felon is someone who has been convicted of a felony.

[Quicksilver]

I thought the whole "words have meaning" thing was bog around these parts?

A felon is someone who has been convicted of a felony.

OR if you are HRC and Republicans hate you and think you certainly MUST be guilty of SOMETHING...

Yeah.. Constitutional Rights, like innocent until proven guilty.. and Articles outlining Presidential responsibilities only matter if Republicans say they do.. and certainly not for Democrats..

Just like Presidential terms being 4 years.. only for Republican Presidents.. and not a Democratic President with a year left in office and a Supreme court vacancy.

[Tahuyaman]

Kimi
This forum isn't a court.

She is a crook. I expect that she will be indicted, unlike Zelmo.

I think she will plead to a misdemeanor.

I believe that if you committ a crime, you are guilty.

Now, for whatever reason, People often get found not guilty in a court of law. Sometimes they get found not guilty even when everyone knows that they did committ the crime they were accused of committing.

Now. Hillary did in fact committ a criminal act when it comes to her handling of classified and sensitive information. This isn't even arguable. Well. It is if you are a partisan hack, but that's beside the point.

She will be one of these people who gets away with her criminal activity just as she always has. No indictment, no plea deal, no nothing.

[Tahuyaman]

Trump is guilty of inciting violence.

McConnell is guilty of destroying the GOP.

Cruz is guilty of lying because Trump says he does.

Rubio is guilty of wasting peoples time when he can't win the nomination.

In America anyone can claim that someone is guilty of something because the cost of litigation is so high that only people like Trump can afford to use it.

So, since bringing charges to prove guilt no longer matters to Americans, you are all guilty.

And everyone is a bit dumber after reading that.

[Tahuyaman]

I thought the whole "words have meaning" thing was bog around these parts?

A felon is someone who has been convicted of a felony.

Ok, would you prefer to call her an "unconvicted felon"?

[AZ Jim]

Kimi

I believe that if you committ a crime, you are guilty.

Now, for whatever reason, People often get found not guilty in a court of law. Sometimes they get found not guilty even when everyone knows that they did committ the crime they were accused of committing.

Now. Hillary did in fact committ a criminal act when it comes to her handling of classified and sensitive information. This isn't even arguable. Well. It is if you are a partisan hack, but that's beside the point.

She will be one of these people who gets away with her criminal activity just as she always has. No indictment, no plea deal, no nothing.Not arguable? NONE of the documents in question were classified when transmitted! That is per the FBI. Is it possible you are just drooling at the prospect rather than accepting the facts?

[Common Sense]

Ok, would you prefer to call her an "unconvicted felon"?

That's an oxymoron.

[Tahuyaman]

Not arguable? NONE of the documents in question were classified when transmitted! That is per the FBI. Is it possible you are just drooling at the prospect rather than accepting the facts?

Like I said, not arguable unless you are a partisan hack.

[Tahuyaman]

Felon, convicted felon, unconvicted felon...... Still a felon.

[Quicksilver]

Ok, would you prefer to call her an "unconvicted felon"?


How in the bloody blue hell can someone be an unconvicted felon? Seriously.. Is your brain functioning at all?

fel·on1
[ˈfelən]

a person who has been convicted of a felony.

[Common Sense]

Felon, convicted felon, unconvicted felon...... Still a felon.

No. A felon is someone who has been convicted of a felony. So no...an "unconvicted felon" doesn't exist.

[Doublejack]

A felon is someone who has committed a felony crime.

A convicted felon is someone who has been convicted of a felony.

If you get away with your crime you are still a felon, even if nobody else knows but yourself I suppose.

[Quicksilver]

So.... Care to tell us what "felony" was committed?

[Tahuyaman]

How in the bloody blue hell can someone be an unconvicted felon? Seriously.. Is your brain functioning at all?

fel·on1
[ˈfelən]

a person who has been convicted of a felony.

What do you call someone who gets away with felony crimes? Lucky? Politically powerful?

[Tahuyaman]

So.... Care to tell us what "felony" was committed?

See what I mean about the partisan hacks?

[Doublejack]

So.... Care to tell us what "felony" was committed?

Me?

Unless we were there, we don't know.

As far as convictions go we will have to wait and see.

[Quicksilver]

Me?

Unless we were there, we don't know.

As far as convictions go we will have to wait and see.

But you just KNOW she has to be guilty of SOMETHING..... lol!!

[AZ Jim]

A felon is someone who has committed a felony crime.

A convicted felon is someone who has been convicted of a felony.

If you get away with your crime you are still a felon, even if nobody else knows but yourself I suppose.Good Gawd Man!! Start THINKING! Unless you are C_O_N_V_I_C_T_E_D of a felony, you are NOT a felon.

[Doublejack]

But you just KNOW she has to be guilty of SOMETHING..... lol!!

I don't know if she's guilty of anything at all. I never made any such statement.

[Doublejack]

Good Gawd Man!! Start THINKING! Unless you are C_O_N_V_I_C_T_E_D of a felony, you are NOT a felon.


I think were all confusing law with word definitions here.

If you murder someone and get away with it are you still not a murderer? Maybe not in the eyes of the law as you were never caught but you most surely are a murder if you murder someone.

[Cletus]

Good Gawd Man!! Start THINKING! Unless you are C_O_N_V_I_C_T_E_D of a felony, you are NOT a felon.

Al Capone was convicted of tax evasion.

Do you believe he committed no other crimes?

The point made in this thread is the fact that the lack of conviction does not mean the accused did not commit the crime. The preponderance of evidence strongly suggests that Clinton has committed numerous crimes. Many, many felons have spotless criminal records.

By the way, according to our good friends at Webster - Full Definition of felon1 : one who has committed a felony...

The operative word there is COMMITTED, not convicted.

[Doublejack]

I have a strange similar story.

My sister found god several years ago and had her previous marriage annuled so she could be a pure bride (lol dont even get me started).

Now keep in mind I was at the wedding and saw her get married however to this day she refuses to acknowledge the fact that she had been previously married.

Currently according to the law she was never previously married, however one time according to the law she was previously married.



Was she ever previously married?

[silvereyes]

So.... Care to tell us what "felony" was committed?

She was born. Does that count? Did i win? Wheres my cookie???

[hanger4]

Not arguable? NONE of the documents in question were classified when transmitted! That is per the FBI. Is it possible you are just drooling at the prospect rather than accepting the facts?

First, HC always says "marked classified" in that she is correct. When "marked" it would be 'Confidential', 'Secret' or 'Top Secret'.

Second, conversations with or about foriegn dignitaries et all are considered foreign government information and classified at inception.

Third, please explain how an unencrypted, unsecured private email server off the .gov grid is classified informations "proper place of custody" as layed in 18 USC 793 F of the Espionage Act ??

[AeonPax]

If you choose to use that analogy, why not include Harry Truman who consigned 240,000 people to dust inside of one second?
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Despite the atrocities committed, WWII was a just war, Iraq was NOT. Hitler and Japan presented a clear and present danger not only to the US, but the world. Saddam was no danger to the US or the world.

[Peter1469]

Deliberately, repeatedly, mishandling classified information is a "Misdemeanor"?

Is everyone with access to classified information going to be held to that "Standard"?

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No.

[Tahuyaman]

So.... Care to tell us what "felony" was committed?
She criminaly mishandled government documents pertaining to national security and foreign policy.

So, either you think it's no big deal and hope she skates for political purposes, or you think it is a big deal and should be held accountable just like others have.

[MisterVeritis]

Ok, would you prefer to call her an "unconvicted felon"?
Undocumented felon.

[Tahuyaman]

Undocumented felon.

I like that. I should have thought of that one.

[Ethereal]

Only if it's true. Proof?

Hillary voted in favor of invading and occupying Iraq. You did not know this?

Hillary pushed for the "regime change" in Libya while she was secretary of state. You did not know this?

And Hillary oversaw the weapons transfers from Libya to Syrian rebels. You did not know this?

What else don't you know? The sky is blue? The grass is green?


BTW, don't forget to include G.W.Bush in the same statement.

Unlike you, I'm not trying to make excuses for criminals.

[MisterVeritis]

Not arguable? NONE of the documents in question were classified when transmitted! That is per the FBI. Is it possible you are just drooling at the prospect rather than accepting the facts?
Do you believe that not marking classified materials properly means the information is not classified? Do you sometimes wonder why Hillary constantly says none of the documents were marked classified? (By the way, no classified material is marked "Classified". They are marked Confidential, Secret, or Top Secret. Some have handling instructions, for example, sensitive compartmented information and special access program information.)

[AZ Jim]

Do you believe that not marking classified materials properly means the information is not classified? Do you sometimes wonder why Hillary constantly says none of the documents were marked classified? (By the way, no classified material is marked "Classified". They are marked Confidential, Secret, or Top Secret. Some have handling instructions, for example, sensitive compartmented information and special access program information.)Having held a secret SAR clearance for 30 years I am well aware of how classified documents are handled. My previous comment stands unaltered.

[MisterVeritis]

Having held a secret SAR clearance for 30 years I am well aware of how classified documents are handled. My previous comment stands unaltered.
Then you have self-moved from the uninformed and foolish category to the lairs column. Cool. Thanks.

[hanger4]

Having held a secret SAR clearance for 30 years I am well aware of how classified documents are handled. My previous comment stands unaltered.
Your previous statement stands debunked despite your 30 years of SAR clearance.

Now please answer the question. How do you believe HC's private secret unencrypted unsecured email server is classified informations "proper place of custody" as defined in 18 USC 793 subsection F of the Espionage Act ??

[hanger4]

Having held a secret SAR clearance for 30 years I am well aware of how classified documents are handled. My previous comment stands unaltered.

BTW AZ Jim

State Dept regulations plainly state, (5 FAM 582.10(f))

“foreign government information requiring protection may appear in a foreign government’s documents with or without a security classification marking by that government. It is the responsibility of the recipient U.S. agency to mark such FGI requiring security classification protection with the appropriate level of U.S. security classification marking."

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/423509/more-clintons-classified-information-problem

[decedent]

So in another thread we were talking about Mrs. Clinton and her being a Felon.

And the other posters had mentioned that She has not been convicted, THIS IS TRUE, so she is not a convicted Felon yet, though I believe we are not that far away, from this happening.

But this does not mean that she has not committed a Felony. Clearly Mrs. Clinton has violated the law.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/hillary-clinton-disclosing-records-form/2015/03/11/id/629656/

So we actually know that She has committed the Felony, what remains to be seen is if she will be convicted, This of course remains to be seen, but every week that goes by, things are not getting any better for her.

So in is my OPINION that she is a Felon, though I would agree 100% that she is not a convicted Felon

Oh no. What are we doing to do about Colin Powell, who said he did the same thing?

Actually, who cares. We have to get an indictment before Hillary becomes President -- even if it's for jay walking.

[MisterVeritis]

Oh no. What are we doing to do about Colin Powell, who said he did the same thing?

Actually, who cares. We have to get an indictment before Hillary becomes President -- even if it's for jay walking.
Really? Powell set up a homebrew server and sent all of his classified State Department emails to it?

[AZ Jim]

There is no way that one can reason with those so determined to play even a small part in the "dirty tricks" department of the Pub party. Benghazi didn't work so your ilk switched to this email witch hunt. Pubs are so afraid of getting their asses kicked they do their very best to undermine opposition. I know about classified document control, I was a SAC custodian and unless a document is properly classified at the time of it being handled as Top Secret, Secret, or confidential, it is NOT a classified document. You don't want to hear it but there it is. I am off the case and you idiots should be too.

[Common Sense]

Really? Powell set up a homebrew server and sent all of his classified State Department emails to it?

Powell and Rice used private email accounts that handled sensitive materials.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/268228-report-colin-powell-and-condoleezza-rice-staff-received-classified-emails-on

[MisterVeritis]

There is no way that one can reason with those so determined to play even a small part in the "dirty tricks" department of the Pub party. Benghazi didn't work so your ilk switched to this email witch hunt. Pubs are so afraid of getting their asses kicked they do their very best to undermine opposition. I know about classified document control, I was a SAC custodian and unless a document is properly classified at the time of it being handled as Top Secret, Secret, or confidential, it is NOT a classified document. You don't want to hear it but there it is. I am off the case and you idiots should be too.
So which is it? Fool? Or liar?

[AZ Jim]

So which is it? Fool? Or liar?Back to your KOOK juice.

[Tahuyaman]

There is no way that one can reason with those so determined to play even a small part in the "dirty tricks" department of the Pub party. Benghazi didn't work so your ilk switched to this email witch hunt. Pubs are so afraid of getting their asses kicked they do their very best to undermine opposition. I know about classified document control, I was a SAC custodian and unless a document is properly classified at the time of it being handled as Top Secret, Secret, or confidential, it is NOT a classified document. You don't want to hear it but there it is. I am off the case and you idiots should be too.

Obviously you have never had the responsibility of handling government documents.

A secretary of state should know how documents are to be handled and secured without a rubber stamped classification marking on each sheet of paper. She was supposed to be in charge.

[hanger4]

There is no way that one can reason with those so determined to play even a small part in the "dirty tricks" department of the Pub party. Benghazi didn't work so your ilk switched to this email witch hunt. Pubs are so afraid of getting their asses kicked they do their very best to undermine opposition. I know about classified document control, I was a SAC custodian and unless a document is properly classified at the time of it being handled as Top Secret, Secret, or confidential, it is NOT a classified document. You don't want to hear it but there it is. I am off the case and you idiots should be too.


BTW AZ Jim

State Dept regulations plainly state, (5 FAM 582.10(f))

“foreign government information requiring protection may appear in a foreign government’s documents with or without a security classification marking by that government. It is the responsibility of the recipient U.S. agency to mark such FGI requiring security classification protection with the appropriate level of U.S. security classification marking."

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/423509/more-clintons-classified-information-problem

I know you don't want to hear it, but there it is AZ Jim

[MisterVeritis]

Powell and Rice used private email accounts that handled sensitive materials.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/268228-report-colin-powell-and-condoleezza-rice-staff-received-classified-emails-on
Staff...received...

Did Powell and Rice set up homebrew servers and divert their classified emails to them, yes or no?

[MisterVeritis]

Back to your KOOK juice.
You are the kook here. Don't keep us in suspense. Answer my reasonable question.

[Common Sense]

Staff...received...

Did Powell and Rice set up homebrew servers and divert their classified emails to them, yes or no?

No, they were even more negligent...it seems they used just regular email addresses.

[MisterVeritis]

No, they were even more negligent...it seems they used just regular email addresses.
Why do you lie? You know you are easily caught in your lies. Why do it?

[Common Sense]

Why do you lie? You know you are easily caught in your lies. Why do it?

I'm not lying.

[Tahuyaman]

I know you don't want to hear it, but there it is @AZ Jim (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1901)


State Dept regulations plainly state, (5 FAM 582.10(f))


“foreign government information requiring protection may appear in a foreign government’s documents with or without a security classification marking by that government. It is the responsibility of the recipient U.S. agency to mark such FGI requiring security classification protection with the appropriate level of U.S. security classification marking

AZJ's response?...............Never mind.

[MisterVeritis]

I'm not lying.
You just did. So why do it?

[Tahuyaman]

Why do you lie? You know you are easily caught in your lies. Why do it?

Who cares? Two wrongs don't make a right. So what if others did it or something similar?

[Common Sense]

You just did. So why do it?

How did I lie?

[MisterVeritis]

Who cares? Two wrongs don't make a right. So what if others did it or something similar?
They didn't. Neither Powell nor Rice set up a homegrown server to divert all of their official email to.

There is nothing wrong with a government official having a private email address. There is something wrong with diverting your official email to it to subvert laws.

[MisterVeritis]

How did I lie?
Are you asking me what your lie is?

The evil Clinton diverted her state department email to her homegrown server. She was trying to prevent oversight, probably because she is a corrupt person. Powell and Rice and members of their staffs had personal email accounts. The claim is that Powell and Rice broke the accountability laws and the laws for handling government national security information. That has not been shown.

You equate the two. In your mind is there any difference between deceiving and lying?

[Common Sense]

Are you asking me what your lie is?

The evil Clinton diverted her state department email to her homegrown server. She was trying to prevent oversight, probably because she is a corrupt person. Powell and Rice and members of their staffs had personal email accounts. The claim is that Powell and Rice broke the accountability laws and the laws for handling government national security information. That has not been shown.

You equate the two. In your mind is there any difference between deceiving and lying?

You're the Trump fan, maybe you can answer.

I haven't lied. Why are you lying and accusing me of lying?

[hanger4]

Powell and Rice used private email accounts that handled sensitive materials.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/268228-report-colin-powell-and-condoleezza-rice-staff-received-classified-emails-on
'But but but they did it too' is some sort of defense ??

I though you were smarter than that CS.

[MisterVeritis]

You're the Trump fan, maybe you can answer.

I haven't lied. Why are you lying and accusing me of lying?
Are you continuing to pretend?

[Common Sense]

Are you continuing to pretend?

Pretend what? Show me where I have lied.

[decedent]

Really? Powell set up a homebrew server and sent all of his classified State Department emails to it?


I forgot that home-brew servers were illegal. Hang her high.

[MisterVeritis]

Pretend what? Show me where I have lied.
I have already done so.

[MisterVeritis]

I forgot that home-brew servers were illegal. Hang her high.
Leftist? Of course. There is nothing wrong with having one's own email server. But it is criminal to use it to avoid oversight. It is also criminal to avoid public records laws. And it is criminal to use if to receive and send national defense information.

[hanger4]

I forgot that home-brew servers were illegal. Hang her high.

Do you believe a home-brew server is classified informations "proper place of custody" ??

[Common Sense]

I have already done so.

No you haven't. That's a lie.

[MisterVeritis]

No you haven't. That's a lie.
We have become boring. You may have the last word.

[hanger4]

We have become boring. You may have the last word.

Allow me to have the last word. Common Sense do you believe a home-brew server is classified informations "proper place of custody" ??

[decedent]

Do you believe a home-brew server is classified informations "proper place of custody" ??

No. It should have been in a secured cold room and not in her basement.

[hanger4]

No. It should have been in a secured cold room and not in her basement.
Same ol same ol. A deflective answer or just ignorance.

[zelmo1234]

She's not even an indited felon and will never be since she broke no laws. Keep dreaming though....

If you pulled the shit that she pulled you would already be in jail Just try destroying evidence that is under summons by a court and see where you end up

[zelmo1234]

Correct me if I'm wrong, don't you have to be convicted of a Felony to be a Felon?

If not, I guess George W and his Dick are Felon's :laugh:

I can concede that, but you have it wrong, GWB is a war criminal, get with the agenda :)

[zelmo1234]

Based upon your posts your opinion isn't worth $#@!!

And it is still twice as valuable as any liberals on this forum. Go figure.

[zelmo1234]

Not arguable? NONE of the documents in question were classified when transmitted! That is per the FBI. Is it possible you are just drooling at the prospect rather than accepting the facts?

So then you are admitting that Hillary Clinton as Sec of State was too F UCKING stupid to know what material was classified, and Yet you still want to elect her president.

Either she committed a Felony, or She is ignorant, Which one is it?

[zelmo1234]

So.... Care to tell us what "felony" was committed?

Destruction of Evidence, and Possibly Treason, just off the top of my head,

And lets not forget the poor bastard that is likely still in jail when she and others made up the story about the video,,

We also know that she lied to congress under oath, that is another.

[zelmo1234]

Good Gawd Man!! Start THINKING! Unless you are C_O_N_V_I_C_T_E_D of a felony, you are NOT a felon.

And unless you understand that she has committed terrible acts that are unforgivable, you are an idiot? But then this is a Forum, and I have stated that it was my OPINION? Which seems to be lost on the Liberals, who are shitting themselves.

[zelmo1234]

Having held a secret SAR clearance for 30 years I am well aware of how classified documents are handled. My previous comment stands unaltered.

Great, So As Sec of State, Was Hillary a felon, or just too stupid to know what should be classified?

[zelmo1234]

Oh no. What are we doing to do about Colin Powell, who said he did the same thing?

Actually, who cares. We have to get an indictment before Hillary becomes President -- even if it's for jay walking.

Then Prosecute him too?

And it should be easy he admitted it

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/03/08/republican-colin-powell-deals-death-blow-hillary-clinton-email-scandal.html

He is not above the law? why should he be?

[zelmo1234]

There is no way that one can reason with those so determined to play even a small part in the "dirty tricks" department of the Pub party. Benghazi didn't work so your ilk switched to this email witch hunt. Pubs are so afraid of getting their asses kicked they do their very best to undermine opposition. I know about classified document control, I was a SAC custodian and unless a document is properly classified at the time of it being handled as Top Secret, Secret, or confidential, it is NOT a classified document. You don't want to hear it but there it is. I am off the case and you idiots should be too.

You mean like sending people in to Trump Rallies, to cause trouble and then crying violence and racism? Dirty tricks like that?

[zelmo1234]

Powell and Rice used private email accounts that handled sensitive materials.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/268228-report-colin-powell-and-condoleezza-rice-staff-received-classified-emails-on

And they should not be prosecuted? Why?

[Peter1469]

Then Prosecute him too?

And it should be easy he admitted it

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/03/08/republican-colin-powell-deals-death-blow-hillary-clinton-email-scandal.html

He is not above the law? why should he be?

He didn't do the same thing. He didn't have his own server.

[zelmo1234]

Back to your KOOK juice.

NO you need to answer the question, Either she was too stupid to know what should be classified, or she lied, If she lied, she committed a felony, and thus Felon!

[Quicksilver]

You mean like sending people in to Trump Rallies, to cause trouble and then crying violence and racism? Dirty tricks like that?


You sure seem to have the inside info zelmo... Got a direct line to Maralago? Or maybe Bernie gives you a personal heads up on his dastardly deeds.. Truth is you don't know $hit..... it's all wishful thinking and the stuff that runs little shivers up the legs of Right wing talkers..

[zelmo1234]

He didn't do the same thing. He didn't have his own server.

Of course he didn't but if it makes the liberals feel better haul all of their asses before a jury and let them decide.

[zelmo1234]

You sure seem to have the inside info zelmo... Got a direct line to Maralago? Or maybe Bernie gives you a personal heads up on his dastardly deeds.. Truth is you don't know $hit..... it's all wishful thinking and the stuff that runs little shivers up the legs of Right wing talkers..

We know that the protesters of rabble rousers if you will were Democrats not interested in hearing Trump, but trying to stop him from speaking because the don't like what he has to say.

Do you disagree?

[hanger4]

You sure seem to have the inside info zelmo... Got a direct line to Maralago? Or maybe Bernie gives you a personal heads up on his dastardly deeds.. Truth is you don't know $hit..... it's all wishful thinking and the stuff that runs little shivers up the legs of Right wing talkers..

Are ever going to answer the question Quicksilver ??

Do you believe a private unencrypted unsecured personal server is classified informations "proper place of custody" ??

[donttread]

So in another thread we were talking about Mrs. Clinton and her being a Felon.

And the other posters had mentioned that She has not been convicted, THIS IS TRUE, so she is not a convicted Felon yet, though I believe we are not that far away, from this happening.

But this does not mean that she has not committed a Felony. Clearly Mrs. Clinton has violated the law.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/hillary-clinton-disclosing-records-form/2015/03/11/id/629656/

So we actually know that She has committed the Felony, what remains to be seen is if she will be convicted, This of course remains to be seen, but every week that goes by, things are not getting any better for her.

So in is my OPINION that she is a Felon, though I would agree 100% that she is not a convicted Felon

She won't even be arrested . She is the proto-typical Donkephant, big government sell out . She is the very definition of a Washington insider. Even if they did go after her she almost certainly knows way too much about them

[Doublejack]

If Bush can lie us into a war and not be prosecuted I think I can overlook a couple e-mails.

[hanger4]

If Bush can lie us into a war and not be prosecuted I think I can overlook a couple e-mails.

If Bush did as you say you'd have a point, but that meme was debunked years ago, so you don't.

[MisterVeritis]

If Bush can lie us into a war and not be prosecuted I think I can overlook a couple e-mails.
When did that happen?

And who the hell are you to overlook Clinton's office selling? Not to mention emails that contained national defense information. She received thousands and originated a few. I believe people died because of what she did. And many more no longer spy for us.

The state needs to try, convict and execute her.

[Doublejack]

When did that happen?

And who the hell are you to overlook Clinton's office selling? Not to mention emails that contained national defense information. She received thousands and originated a few. I believe people died because of what she did. And many more no longer spy for us.

The state needs to try, convict and execute her.


Well he was either a fool or a liar.

[MisterVeritis]

Well he was either a fool or a liar.
Or neither one.

How does one get to be so wise DJ? I worked for a very long time in the intelligence field and I know how hard it can be to establish some kinds of "truths". Hussein, not Barack Hussein O, used to put people who displeased him into a wood chipper. I have always suspected his generals were deceiving Saddam.

Tell me how you would figure that out.

[hanger4]

Well he was either a fool or a liar.

Numerous Democrats with access to intelligence data also openly declared and obviously believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. These Democrats include Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, John Edwards, Robert Byrd, Henry Waxman, Tom Daschle, and Nancy Pelosi among many, many others. Not to mention many non-American intelligence agencies also believed Saddam had WMDs. When you add it all up, it appears that George Bush, like a lot of other people, was wrong about Saddam Hussein having stockpiles of WMDs. But without question, he did not lie about it.

[Doublejack]

Or neither one.

How does one get to be so wise DJ? I worked for a very long time in the intelligence field and I know how hard it can be to establish some kinds of "truths". Hussein, not Barack Hussein O, used to put people who displeased him into a wood chipper. I have always suspected his generals were deceiving Saddam.

Tell me how you would figure that out.

Explains a lot really.

Muslim putting muslims in wood chippers... I don't see the problem.

I would expect one to wait until there was proof.

[MisterVeritis]

When you add it all up, it appears that George Bush, like a lot of other people, was wrong about Saddam Hussein having stockpiles of WMDs. But without question, he did not lie about it.
And, of course, we found chemical weapons. Bush kept it classified. It was a mistake to do so.

[Doublejack]

Numerous Democrats with access to intelligence data also openly declared and obviously believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. These Democrats include Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, John Edwards, Robert Byrd, Henry Waxman, Tom Daschle, and Nancy Pelosi among many, many others. Not to mention many non-American intelligence agencies also believed Saddam had WMDs. When you add it all up, it appears that George Bush, like a lot of other people, was wrong about Saddam Hussein having stockpiles of WMDs. But without question, he did not lie about it.


So they're all fools. No argument there.

[MisterVeritis]

Explains a lot really.

Muslim putting muslims in wood chippers... I don't see the problem.

I would expect one to wait until there was proof.
Yes. It does explain a lot. Some people know. Others pretend. You pretend.

[Doublejack]

And, of course, we found chemical weapons. Bush kept it classified. It was a mistake to do so.

Yea but werent those the ones we gave them to use on the Iraqis? They had no delivery system to use them so they weren't a threat. Surely not a reason to invade.

[MisterVeritis]

Yea but werent those the ones we gave them to use on the Iraqis? They had no delivery system to use them so they weren't a threat. Surely not a reason to invade.
We never gave them chemical weapons. Nice try though.

[hanger4]

So they're all fools. No argument there.

Your hind-sight is amazingly 20-20. You should be proud.

[zelmo1234]

Well he was either a fool or a liar.

Not only was he a liar, but maybe the smartest man in the world.

After all he convinced Former President Bill Clinton our of office for less than a year to publically indorse his position. He fooled Prime Minister Blair of the UK. Had the backing of nearly every intelligence agency around the world, and 2 UN resolutions, one passed under the Clinton Administration.

That person may be a liar, but you have to confess, by pulling off that scheme, much of it orchestrated before he became President? That was just Brilliant

[Doublejack]

Your hind-sight is amazingly 20-20. You should be proud.

Wish I could say the same

[hanger4]

Wish I could say the same

Stick a fork in em, he's done.

[AZ Jim]

No, they were even more negligent...it seems they used just regular email addresses.But, They weren't running for President as a Democrat.

[decedent]

Do you believe a home-brew server is classified informations "proper place of custody" ??


No. It should have been in a secured cold room and not in her basement.


Same ol same ol. A deflective answer or just ignorance.

A cold room is industry jargon for a server room that has racks for servers. They tend to be fireproof, cooled, and locked.

[decedent]

Then Prosecute him too?

And it should be easy he admitted it

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/03/08/republican-colin-powell-deals-death-blow-hillary-clinton-email-scandal.html

He is not above the law? why should he be?

Yes, I'm sure that a certain group is going to go after Powell with as much zeal as they're going after Hillary.

[hanger4]

A cold room is industry jargon for a server room that has racks for servers. They tend to be fireproof, cooled, and locked.

And still off the .gov grid.

[hanger4]

Yes, I'm sure that a certain group is going to go after Powell with as much zeal as they're going after Hillary.

I suspect if Powell had kept a personal email server secret for 6 years and failed to comply with numerous hearings you might have a point.

[hanger4]

But, They weren't running for President as a Democrat.

Why are you ignoring the question AZ Jim ??

Do you believe a private unencrypted unsecured personal server is classified informations "proper place of custody" ??

[decedent]

I suspect if Powell had kept a personal email server secret for 6 years and failed to comply with numerous hearings you might have a point.

I somehow doubt that people assumed clintonemail.com was hosted on a government server.

[hanger4]

I somehow doubt that people assumed clintonemail.com was hosted on a government server.

Are you saying the first Benghazi hearings knew about her secret server ??

[AZ Jim]

Why are you ignoring the question @AZ Jim (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1901) ??

Do you believe a private unencrypted unsecured personal server is classified informations "proper place of custody" ??I have no need to discuss this further with a hard head who has made up his mind that he knows more than the FBI about the subject. Pest.

[hanger4]

I have no need to discuss this further with a hard head who has made up his mind that he knows more than the FBI about the subject. Pest.

Just asked a simple question for discussion on a discussion forum. I'm sorry you fear discussing HC's email kerfuffel so, that you feel the need to distract or run away.

[hanger4]

I have no need to discuss this further with a hard head who has made up his mind that he knows more than the FBI about the subject. Pest.

Oh and BTW you've never discussed. You only distract or throw out the same ol debunked memes

[decedent]

Are you saying the first Benghazi hearings knew about her secret server ??

What secret server?

[Peter1469]

What secret server?

satire alert.

[hanger4]

satire alert.

LAWDY, I certainly hope so.

[hanger4]

What secret server?

Say it isn't so decedent

[Tahuyaman]

Why are you ignoring the question @AZ Jim (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1901) ??

Do you believe a private unencrypted unsecured personal server is classified informations "proper place of custody" ??


I have no need to discuss this further with a hard head who has made up his mind that he knows more than the FBI about the subject. Pest.

Yes, those annoying questions based on facts are pretty hard to respond to without looking like a hack, huh?

[Tahuyaman]

What secret server?

Secret? I'll bet it wasn't a secret to the Russians and Chinese.

[Peter1469]

LAWDY, I certainly hope so.

He has never posted anything that was not satire. Most is high quality stuff.

[hanger4]

Yes, those annoying questions based on facts are pretty hard to respond to without looking like a hack, huh?
Yup. Have asked that question to several (6?) and have yet to receive an answer. Most just ignore it. Seems such an easy question to answer, don't believe I can make it much simpler.

[decedent]

Say it isn't so @decedent (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1267)

I guess you're confusing a private server with a secret server.

[AZ Jim]

So in another thread we were talking about Mrs. Clinton and her being a Felon.

And the other posters had mentioned that She has not been convicted, THIS IS TRUE, so she is not a convicted Felon yet, though I believe we are not that far away, from this happening.

But this does not mean that she has not committed a Felony. Clearly Mrs. Clinton has violated the law.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/hillary-clinton-disclosing-records-form/2015/03/11/id/629656/

So we actually know that She has committed the Felony, what remains to be seen is if she will be convicted, This of course remains to be seen, but every week that goes by, things are not getting any better for her.

So in is my OPINION that she is a Felon, though I would agree 100% that she is not a convicted Felon You missed one small step, charging her with a felony. You obviously aren't real smart, but you hate like a pro.

[hanger4]

You missed one small step, charging her with a felony. You obviously aren't real smart, but you hate like a pro.

Actually AZ Jim tis you missing the step. "Gross Negligence" by setting up an unencrypted unsecured personal and secret email server for conducting State Dept business and knowing it's not the "proper place of custody" for classified information.

[AZ Jim]

Actually @AZ Jim (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1901) tis you missing the step. "Gross Negligence" by setting up an unencrypted unsecured personal and secret email server for conducting State Dept business and knowing it's not the "proper place of custody" for classified information.Offshoot subject. My point is valid. She cannot be a felon unless so charged, tried, AND convicted. None of which has happened. Hanger you must believe we all have the right to face our accuser and stand trial, even if it doesn't fit in your ideal world. You are dismissed.

[Cletus]

Offshoot subject. My point is valid. She cannot be a felon unless so charged, tried, AND convicted.

That of course, is pure, unadulterated bullshit. I posted the definition of felon on this forum and it has nothing to do with being charged or convicted. If you commit a felony, you are a felon. If you commit a crime, you are a criminal. It is the commission of the act that earns you the title, not any kind of court action.

[AZ Jim]

That of course, is pure, unadulterated bullshit. I posted the definition of felon on this forum and it has nothing to do with being charged or convicted. If you commit a felony, you are a felon. If you commit a crime, you are a criminal. It is the commission of the act that earns you the title, not any kind of court action.Damn! You ARE stupid aren't you?

[hanger4]

Offshoot subject. My point is valid. She cannot be a felon unless so charged, tried, AND convicted. None of which has happened. Hanger you must believe we all have the right to face our accuser and stand trial, even if it doesn't fit in your ideal world. You are dismissed.

And as has been explained as nauseam a felon is one who committed a felony. One who is convicted of a felony is a convicted felon or convict.

[Cletus]

Damn! You ARE stupid aren't you?

I am smart enough to know the definition of Felon.

It is a shame you can't say the same.

[Private Pickle]

I am smart enough to know the definition of Felon.

It is a shame you can't say the same.

Are you sure about that because you capitalized "felon".

[Tricia]

Damn! You ARE stupid aren't you?

Please refrain from name calling.

[del]

Are you sure about that because you capitalized "felon".

incorrect capitalization is pretty common among the poorly educated

[Cletus]

Are you sure about that because you capitalized "felon".

And? Common nouns may be capitalized when used as a title.

You ended your question with a period.

[Cletus]

incorrect capitalization is pretty common among the poorly educated

As demonstrated by your post.

[del]

And? Common nouns may be capitalized when used as a title.

You ended your question with a period.

see?

[decedent]

Secret? I'll bet it wasn't a secret to the Russians and Chinese.

So.... it wasn't a secret server?

This cloak and dagger stuff sure is more exciting than the bathroom server story.

[Tahuyaman]

So.... it wasn't a secret server?

This cloak and dagger stuff sure is more exciting than the bathroom server story.

if it was a "secret" server, no one would have found out about it, right?

Unsecured and illegal doesn't necessarily equate to secret.

[decedent]

if it was a "secret" server, no one would have found out about it, right?

Unsecured and illegal doesn't necessarily equate to secret.


So there's no evidence for this secret server theory. That's a shame because this story was getting exciting.

[Tahuyaman]

I don't know where you're coming up with this "secret" thing. There's nothing secret about it. Never was.

[MisterVeritis]

I don't know where you're coming up with this "secret" thing. There's nothing secret about it. Never was.
Nonsense:

A controversy arose in March 2015, when it became publicly known that Hillary Clinton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton) exclusively used her family's private email server for her official email communications while she was the United States Secretary of State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton%27s_tenure_as_Secretary_of_ State), rather than using official State Department email accounts maintained on federal government servers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy

[Quicksilver]

Nonsense:

A controversy arose in March 2015, when it became publicly known that Hillary Clinton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton) exclusively used her family's private email server for her official email communications while she was the United States Secretary of State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton's_tenure_as_Secretary_of_St ate), rather than using official State Department email accounts maintained on federal government servers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy


So What?? It may have not be the best decision, but it is/was not a crime nor does it violate the Espionage act.

[MisterVeritis]

So What?? It may have not be the best decision, but it is/was not a crime nor does it violate the Espionage act.
Pay attention. This is evidence that Hillary's private server was not known by the people and the Congress until one year ago. She kept it secret to avoid Congressional oversight. That alone broke laws. But I want her executed for the classified materials she compromised.

[Quicksilver]

Pay attention. This is evidence that Hillary's private server was not known by the people and the Congress until one year ago. She kept it secret to avoid Congressional oversight. That alone broke laws. But I want her executed for the classified materials she compromised.


Executed? Seriously? Aren't you going off the wire just a bit.. Your hatred is making you insane.. That can't be healthy

[MisterVeritis]

Executed? Seriously? Aren't you going off the wire just a bit.. Your hatred is making you insane.. That can't be healthy
Of course executed. The nation might not ever recover from the damage she did. In my opinion, men and women spying for the US in a variety of nation, have been killed because of what she did. And no one will spy for us again for many, many decades. We are far less safe because Hillary is a pathological criminal.

If the state kills her no one will do this again. If the state does not kill her then other officials will do the same thing for the same, corrupt reasons. What makes you believe I hate the scumbag? She needs to be dealt with because of the evil she has done. A failure to hold her accountable would not be healthy.

[Quicksilver]

Of course executed. The nation might not ever recover from the damage she did. In my opinion, men and women spying for the US in a variety of nation, have been killed because of what she did. And no one will spy for us again for many, many decades. We are far less safe because Hillary is a pathological criminal.

If the state kills her no one will do this again. If the state does not kill her then other officials will do the same thing for the same, corrupt reasons. What makes you believe I hate the scumbag? She needs to be dealt with because of the evil she has done. A failure to hold her accountable would not be healthy.


http://thepoliticalforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14381&stc=1

[hanger4]

So What?? It may have not be the best decision, but it is/was not a crime nor does it violate the Espionage act.

So Quicksilver you honesty believe that HC's unencrypted unsecured private secret email server is classified informations "proper place of custody" ??

[Quicksilver]

So @Quicksilver (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1900) you honesty believe that HC's unencrypted unsecured private secret email server is classified informations "proper place of custody" ??

That is nothing but Right Wing Bull$hit .... She did NOT willfully and knowingly provide top secret information to the enemy. She did not act as a double agent.. she is NOT a spy. The only thing she is guilty of is poor judgment in keeping a private server... But poor judgment is NOT a felony. Sorry... No indictment... or prison in her future.. The only Big House she is going to is White.. and on Pennsylvania Avenue.

[hanger4]

That is nothing but Right Wing Bull$hit .... She did NOT willfully and knowingly provide top secret information to the enemy. She did not act as a double agent.. she is NOT a spy. The only thing she is guilty of is poor judgment in keeping a private server... But poor judgment is NOT a felony. Sorry... No indictment... or prison in her future.. The only Big House she is going to is White.. and on Pennsylvania Avenue.

I've never said a word about being a double agent or a spy. Don't confuse me with another poster.

BTW are you going to ignore the question yet again ??

Do you believe that HC's unencrypted unsecured private secret email server is classified informations "proper place of custody" ??

[MisterVeritis]

That is nothing but Right Wing Bull$hit .... She did NOT willfully and knowingly provide top secret information to the enemy. She did not act as a double agent.. she is NOT a spy. The only thing she is guilty of is poor judgment in keeping a private server... But poor judgment is NOT a felony. Sorry... No indictment... or prison in her future.. The only Big House she is going to is White.. and on Pennsylvania Avenue.
Of course, setting up a server and diverting government information, including national defense information was completely accidental. She had no idea, as an original top secret classification authority, that using an unsecured, unencrypted server, could not be used for top secret special access program information. Is this your argument?

Are you claiming that Hillary was so stupid that she failed to protect classified material but you want her to be your president? Is this the bigotry of low expectations? You willingly admit that she has poor judgment. And then proclaim to the entire website just how weak and pathetic Hillary supporters are.

Who is claiming that Hillary is a spy? Isn't it enough that she willfully exposed all manner of classified materials to all of our enemies as well as our friends?

If the nation will not execute her at a minimum she should be fined hundreds of millions of dollars and put in a hard prison for the rest of her life.

[MisterVeritis]

I wonder if Hillary is worried about all of the nations, some of them hostile, who bought access to her as a future president. They all have agencies capable of punishing her once she has lost the election to Trump or Cruz. Wouldn't it be fitting if all of them sent agents to punish her?

I wonder if she ever thinks about the end result of her corruption.

Do you think she gives a single thought to all of the men and women who were probably tortured to death once she divulged the names of overseas spies?

[Cletus]

That is nothing but Right Wing Bull$hit .... She did NOT willfully and knowingly provide top secret information to the enemy. She did not act as a double agent.. she is NOT a spy. The only thing she is guilty of is poor judgment in keeping a private server... But poor judgment is NOT a felony. Sorry... No indictment... or prison in her future.. The only Big House she is going to is White.. and on Pennsylvania Avenue.

Okay, let's assume for a moment that all she did was exercise "poor judgment" (that is not the case, but for the sake of argument, we will pretend it is).

Do you really want someone with such poor judgment to be the Commander in Chief and Chief Executive of this country?

[hanger4]

Okay, let's assume for a moment that all she did was exercise "poor judgment" (that is not the case, but for the sake of argument, we will pretend it is).

Do you really want someone with such poor judgment to be the Commander in Chief and Chief Executive of this country?
She knew as SOS she'd be handling classified information. She intentionally set up an email server off the .gov grid for reasons unknown at this time.

She's either the most incompetent SOS in this country's history or something gossly nefarious is/was going on.

[Common Sense]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k8craCGpgs

[MisterVeritis]

Journey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEIKwtVRKuQ

[hanger4]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k8craCGpgs

Your deflection is noted and noted and noted.

I thought better of you. :evil:

[Peter1469]

That is nothing but Right Wing Bull$hit .... She did NOT willfully and knowingly provide top secret information to the enemy. She did not act as a double agent.. she is NOT a spy. The only thing she is guilty of is poor judgment in keeping a private server... But poor judgment is NOT a felony. Sorry... No indictment... or prison in her future.. The only Big House she is going to is White.. and on Pennsylvania Avenue.lol

[Peter1469]

Boot licks are really going far for Hillary.

[AZ Jim]

Can't wait to hear the electorate say to trump, "You were not hired so we can't say, YOU'RE FIRED!!!"

[Tahuyaman]

Nonsense:

A controversy arose in March 2015, when it became publicly known that Hillary Clinton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton) exclusively used her family's private email server for her official email communications while she was the United States Secretary of State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton's_tenure_as_Secretary_of_St ate), rather than using official State Department email accounts maintained on federal government servers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversyif it was a secret, we wouldn't have found out about it.

[MisterVeritis]

if it was a secret, we wouldn't have found out about it.
First, you claim foolish things. Next, you double down.

LOL. There is absolutely no reason for you to play the fools role. We have plenty of other people on this website who play the fool's role far better than you can. Leave it to them.

[Tahuyaman]

First, you claim foolish things. Next, you double down.

LOL. There is absolutely no reason for you to play the fools role. We have plenty of other people on this website who play the fool's role far better than you can. Leave it to them.

WTF are you talking about? You lost me a long time ago.

[hanger4]

if it was a secret, we wouldn't have found out about it.

I do believe "was" is optimum word.

[Tahuyaman]

Generally, if something is a secret, we don't find out about it so easily.

[MisterVeritis]

WTF are you talking about? You lost me a long time ago.
You are making a foolish claim. You were gently (seriously, gently) called on it. You should have stopped making the foolish claim. But you didn't. You continued in your error. An error, once pointed out, and still claimed is no longer an error. It is a lie.

[hanger4]

Generally, if something is a secret, we don't find out about it so easily.
Secret for around 6 years, apparently not so easy.

[Tahuyaman]

You are making a foolish claim. You were gently (seriously, gently) called on it. You should have stopped making the foolish claim. But you didn't. You continued in your error. An error, once pointed out, and still claimed is no longer an error. It is a lie.

Again, WTF are you talking about?

[MisterVeritis]

Again, WTF are you talking about?
Understanding might be above your station. Nevermind.

[hanger4]

if it was a secret, we wouldn't have found out about it.

What are you driving toward Tahuyaman ??

[Tahuyaman]

Look, if her email server was some protected secret, no one would know anything about it. The fact is that it was an unsecured non secret. That's why she's potentially on the hot seat.

[Quicksilver]

Look, if her email server was some protected secret, no one would know anything about it. The fact is that it was an unsecured non secret. That's why she's potentially on the hot seat.


What is the Espionage? Are some here alluding to a crazy notion that she set up the server in her home, for the explicit purpose of having our enemies be able to get at top secret information? Seriously? Isn't there a whole a lot of assumptions into her motives going on? Kind of hard to prove something like that..

[hanger4]

What is the Espionage? Are some here alluding to a crazy notion that she set up the server in her home, for the explicit purpose of having our enemies be able to get at top secret information? Seriously? Isn't there a whole a lot of assumptions into her motives going on? Kind of hard to prove something like that..

Again Quicksilver

18 USC 793 subsection F

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793#.ViBujn6rSUk

"Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document. . .relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer, Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both."

"Gross Negligence" is the setting up of private server out of .gov control knowing she would be handling classified information. The only "proper place of custody" a Fed controled email server. Think Petraeus' notebook. If his notebook isn't a "proper place of custody" how can someone believe HC's private server is a "proper place of custody".

[MisterVeritis]

Again @Quicksilver (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1900)

18 USC 793 subsection F

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793#.ViBujn6rSUk

"Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document. . .relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer, Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both."

"Gross Negligence" is the setting up of private server out of .gov control knowing she would be handling classified information. The only "proper place of custody" a Fed controled email server. Think Petraeus' notebook. If his notebook isn't a "proper place of custody" how can someone believe HC's private server is a "proper place of custody".
Our notebooks are perfectly fine places to keep classified information as long as the notebook is secured appropriately. Petraeus gave his notebooks to his biographer, a reserve military intelligence LTC. She no doubt had the right clearance (top secret) but did not have the need to know.

[hanger4]

Our notebooks are perfectly fine places to keep classified information as long as the notebook is secured appropriately. Petraeus gave his notebooks to his biographer, a reserve military intelligence LTC. She no doubt had the right clearance (top secret) but did not have the need to know.

True, but Petraeus pleaded guilty to one count of "unauthorized removal and retention of classified material." The only way HC's server could be considered a "proper place of custody" would be with Federal/WH authorization and the State Dept, IG Agency WH et all claim no knowledge of her private server.

[Tahuyaman]

What is the Espionage? Are some here alluding to a crazy notion that she set up the server in her home, for the explicit purpose of having our enemies be able to get at top secret information? Seriously? Isn't there a whole a lot of assumptions into her motives going on? Kind of hard to prove something like that..


Where did I say anything about espionage?

[MisterVeritis]

True, but Petraeus pleaded guilty to one count of "unauthorized removal and retention of classified material." The only way HC's server could be considered a "proper place of custody" would be with Federal/WH authorization and the State Dept, IG Agency WH et all claim no knowledge of her private server.
Right. Petraeus removed his notebooks from the SCIF where they were stored.

[hanger4]

Right. Petraeus removed his notebooks from the SCIF where they were stored.

Pretty much what I had in mind referring to the notebooks, but between my fat thumbs or small phone keyboard I tend to shorten up my keystrokes. Besides some posters (not you) really need to learn to not argue points they know nothing about.

[Quicksilver]

Right. Petraeus removed his notebooks from the SCIF where they were stored.

And gave them to his girlfriend.

[MisterVeritis]

Right. Petraeus removed his notebooks from the SCIF where they were stored.

And gave them to his girlfriend.
I think I mentioned that above. She was his biographer. She was also an Army reserve military intelligence LTC. I am sure she had the top secret clearance. But she did not have a need to know. Had she been read on and used the materials idn an appropriate classified space there would have been no problem.

Compare that with the Mistress of Mayhem who ran a private server for years. I believe all of our important enemies, as well as our friends, exploited her server. I also believe that American spies in foreign governments paid with their lives for Mrs. Clintons perfidy. By now everyone else who used to spy for us has severed their relationship. And no one will spy for us again for three to four decades.