Would you vote for Trump?

[Adelaide]

I am curious about who here would vote for Trump if he gets the Republican nomination. I suppose we can assume that it will be Clinton that he would go up against so let's make the hypothetical Trump Vs. Clinton.

[michiganFats]

Trump for me.

[Adelaide]

For those that don't know, striking your vote is a means of protesting the choices. In some places that means selecting a "None of the above" and in some places it means basically destroying your ballot by striking it out. It may be a Canadian "slang" term ("strike your vote/ballot").

[Peter1469]

Third party.

Too bad we don't have Strike your Vote or None of the Above here.

[Chris]

For those that don't know, striking your vote is a means of protesting the choices. In some places that means selecting a "None of the above" and in some places it means basically destroying your ballot by striking it out. It may be a Canadian "slang" term ("strike your vote/ballot").

We don't get that here, it would embarrass parties and politicians.

[suds00]

not trump

[Subdermal]

For the entertainment value alone, I'd vote for Trump.

Beyond that, his economic savvy is far better than Hillary's. If there's one thing I would care more about than anything beyond safety, it's that we get back on track economically - and for me, that's all about taxes and regulation.

[Adelaide]

We don't get that here, it would embarrass parties and politicians.

That's ridiculous.

It's very empowering to walk into a polling station, get your ballot and then hand it back and say you strike your vote (process in Ontario so your strike is legally counted - meaning you do it in front of a lot people and then sometimes others follow suit).

[Peter1469]

Our ballots in Virginia are like the old "scan-tron" fill the bubble tests that we used in high school. I could X out the entire document from corner to corner. Show it to the poll worker and put it into the machine that reads it.

[GrassrootsConservative]

Our ballots in Virginia are like the old "scan-tron" fill the bubble tests that we used in high school. I could X out the entire document from corner to corner. Show it to the poll worker and put it into the machine that reads it.

Mark all the bubbles. :grin:

[Peter1469]

Mark all the bubbles. :grin:

If I have very bored that day....

[Chris]

That's ridiculous.

It's very empowering to walk into a polling station, get your ballot and then hand it back and say you strike your vote (process in Ontario so your strike is legally counted - meaning you do it in front of a lot people and then sometimes others follow suit).


Agree, but that's why we'll never see it. N.O.T.A. saw some popularity 20 to 10 years ago. There used to be a N.O.T.A. web site that acted as a clearinghouse for information on it and it's different versions and efforts to get it on the ballot--doesn't exist anymore.

[PolWatch]

Trump or Clinton? Third party or no vote. It would not matter in Alabama.....the state will go for the repub candidate.

[Peter1469]

Virginia is a swing state so I need to consider that as well.

[Tahuyaman]

I am curious about who here would vote for Trump if he gets the Republican nomination. I suppose we can assume that it will be Clinton that he would go up against so let's make the hypothetical Trump Vs. Clinton.

then why didn't you create the poll to reflect your direct question? The title of the thread is, "Would you vote for Trump"?Couldnt you have just made your poll reflect the question asked in the thread title?

[Peter1469]

then why didn't you create the poll to reflect your direct question? The title of the thread is, "Would you vote for Trump"?

Couldnt you have just made your poll reflect the question asked in the thread title?

The second sentence in her quote seems to answer your question, no?

[Tahuyaman]

Im just a stickler for accuracy and consistency, that's all.

[Captain Obvious]

No

[donttread]

I am curious about who here would vote for Trump if he gets the Republican nomination. I suppose we can assume that it will be Clinton that he would go up against so let's make the hypothetical Trump Vs. Clinton.


I don't vote for parlor tricks, or politics as usual or even well meaning socialist. So I'll be writing it Gary Johnson or Jill Stein

[The Xl]

Since the beginning, I've strongly considered voting for Trump or Sanders, and that hasn't changed. I haven't ruled out Gary Johnson either.

[Ravens Fan]

I am curious about who here would vote for Trump if he gets the Republican nomination. I suppose we can assume that it will be Clinton that he would go up against so let's make the hypothetical Trump Vs. Clinton.

If you had made an option for "Undecided", that would be my choice. I would never vote for Hillary, but I am having a hard time deciding between Gary Johnson and Trump. Johnson best reflects my beliefs, but I just don't know that he can garner enough votes this time around to do anything.

[pragmatic]

That's ridiculous.

It's very empowering to walk into a polling station, get your ballot and then hand it back and say you strike your vote (process in Ontario so your strike is legally counted - meaning you do it in front of a lot people and then sometimes others follow suit).

But that would mean you forfeit your vote on all the down ballot candidates also.

Seems a little excessive/silly just to make a point.

[The Xl]

If you had made an option for "Undecided", that would be my choice. I would never vote for Hillary, but I am having a hard time deciding between Gary Johnson and Trump. Johnson best reflects my beliefs, but I just don't know that he can garner enough votes this time around to do anything.

This, exactly.

[pragmatic]

In response to thread question: The only thing certain is that i would never vote for Trump.

Am still holding out hope that someone besides Trump (or Cruz) end up as the GOP nominee in November.

[Polecat]

There is one reason and one reason alone that I will vote for Trump. He obviously terrifies the establishment that has brought this country to the brink of ruin. If he gets assassinated or pushed out by the RNC I will vote for the democrat to hasten our earned demise.

[HoneyBadger]

I'm not a Trump supporter but I'd vote for him to keep the old prevaricating hag out of the White House.

[Cletus]

I am curious about who here would vote for Trump if he gets the Republican nomination. I suppose we can assume that it will be Clinton that he would go up against so let's make the hypothetical Trump Vs. Clinton.

I would vote AGAINST Clinton.

[Cletus]

If you had made an option for "Undecided", that would be my choice. I would never vote for Hillary, but I am having a hard time deciding between Gary Johnson and Trump. Johnson best reflects my beliefs, but I just don't know that he can garner enough votes this time around to do anything.

As I have mentioned before, I thought Gary was a fine governor of New Mexico, I just don't think he has a snowball's chance in Hell of being elected President... certainly not running on the Libertarian ticket.

When he ran for Governor, he had to run as a Republican. He knew there was no way he would have been elected as a Libertarian.

[Green Arrow]

I won't vote for Clinton or Trump. Beyond that, I'm keeping my options open. If Sanders runs independent, I'll vote for him. Otherwise, I'll either vote for the Green Party nominee or write in Sanders.

[Doublejack]

I voted for Gary Johnson last election, I'll go with Jill Stein this time around.

Neither have a snowballs chance but the more support for 3rd party we give now the better chance others will follow in the future.

No way in hell I could hold my nose hard enough to vote for Trump, Hillary or any D or R period.

[onecut]

Mark all the bubbles. :grin:

We have the same type of ballots in Minnesota and it DOES NOT work here. Your ballot will be tossed.

[Green Arrow]

If you had made an option for "Undecided", that would be my choice. I would never vote for Hillary, but I am having a hard time deciding between Gary Johnson and Trump. Johnson best reflects my beliefs, but I just don't know that he can garner enough votes this time around to do anything.

In my honest opinion, you should go for Johnson. Gary is set up to get at least 10% of the vote, possibly as high as 20% depending on how things go. Voting for him and raising that total sends a much bigger message than voting for Trump, IMO, because the establishment can justify a vote for Trump as party loyalists just voting party line to keep a Democrat out. They can't justify historic vote totals for a third party candidate. To be honest, I'm considering voting for Johnson myself for that very reason.
The Xl, this is for you too.

[Boris The Animal]

I won't vote for Clinton or Trump. Beyond that, I'm keeping my options open. If Sanders runs independent, I'll vote for him. Otherwise, I'll either vote for the Green Party nominee or write in Sanders.
That's a good Commie.

[The Xl]

In my honest opinion, you should go for Johnson. Gary is set up to get at least 10% of the vote, possibly as high as 20% depending on how things go. Voting for him and raising that total sends a much bigger message than voting for Trump, IMO, because the establishment can justify a vote for Trump as party loyalists just voting party line to keep a Democrat out. They can't justify historic vote totals for a third party candidate. To be honest, I'm considering voting for Johnson myself for that very reason.
The Xl, this is for you too.

It's definitely something to strongly consider.

[Peter1469]

That's a good Commie.

Where is the communist? :shocked:

[del]

then why didn't you create the poll to reflect your direct question? The title of the thread is, "Would you vote for Trump"?

Couldnt you have just made your poll reflect the question asked in the thread title?

is there anything about which you won't whine?

anything?

[Boris The Animal]

Where is the communist? :shocked:Green Arrow

[Green Arrow]

Where is the communist? :shocked:

As far as I know, most of them have either left the forum or barely post anymore.

[Peter1469]

Green Arrow


Explain that one. How is he a commie?

[Ravens Fan]

In my honest opinion, you should go for Johnson. Gary is set up to get at least 10% of the vote, possibly as high as 20% depending on how things go. Voting for him and raising that total sends a much bigger message than voting for Trump, IMO, because the establishment can justify a vote for Trump as party loyalists just voting party line to keep a Democrat out. They can't justify historic vote totals for a third party candidate. To be honest, I'm considering voting for Johnson myself for that very reason.
@The Xl (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=865), this is for you too.

I like Johnson a lot, always have (no pun intended). But I am not sure that making a statement is as important as keeping Hillary out of the White House at this point. If Trump actually wins, that sends just as powerful of a message to the establishments no matter how they try to justify it. I am not going to commit to anybody yet though, the election is still 7 months out.

[Adelaide]

But that would mean you forfeit your vote on all the down ballot candidates also.

Seems a little excessive/silly just to make a point.

Strikes are counted if you do them correctly and get tallied. It can be a good indicator that voters are not happy with the choices or lack thereof. Problem is, too many people seem to know not they have the option to strike or they don't know how to do it so that it is counted (in Canada, it varies province to province).

[Green Arrow]

I like Johnson a lot, always have (no pun intended). But I am not sure that making a statement is as important as keeping Hillary out of the White House at this point. If Trump actually wins, that sends just as powerful of a message to the establishments no matter how they try to justify it. I am not going to commit to anybody yet though, the election is still 7 months out.

Why is that so important, though? I mean, I don't like her and I think on a foreign policy level she will set the world on fire, but domestically she'll probably end up like Bill, compromising the hell out of everything to make things look good for a few years.

[Ravens Fan]

Why is that so important, though? I mean, I don't like her and I think on a foreign policy level she will set the world on fire, but domestically she'll probably end up like Bill, compromising the hell out of everything to make things look good for a few years.

I feel that a Hillary administration would just be a continuation of the past 16 years, same puppet master. I don't like the results so far, so I would rather not continue down that path.

I also feel that she is a criminal and is as corrupt as she can be. She played recklessly with our national security and has been spinning and lying about it the whole time.

And, I am sick of hearing that it is her turn, or that it is time for a woman in the White House. If you want a woman in the White House, come up with a halfway decent candidate. Not one that you have to cover up for and distract from and override the will of the voters just to get her into office.

[Boris The Animal]

As far as I know, most of them have either left the forum or barely post anymore.
And the only one left I just replied to, eh Greenie?

[Adelaide]

then why didn't you create the poll to reflect your direct question? The title of the thread is, "Would you vote for Trump"?

Couldnt you have just made your poll reflect the question asked in the thread title?

I get your question/concern, but I felt if I was going to ask people if they'd vote for Trump I had to provide the most realistic scenario to actually get an idea. Some people in this thread have said they'd vote for Sanders or Trump, so if we're assuming Clinton wins the nomination, the most likely outcome for those people is to vote for Trump. Since I included her I also had to include third party and independents (which Bernie Sanders could potentially be). I figured the results would be the most accurate this way but I was most interested in seeing who picked Trump in the scenario.

[Quicksilver]

I am curious about who here would vote for Trump if he gets the Republican nomination. I suppose we can assume that it will be Clinton that he would go up against so let's make the hypothetical Trump Vs. Clinton.

Great idea! Provided you believe this forum to actually mirror the makeup of the general election electorate... Do you ? Hardly.. lol!!

[Adelaide]

Great idea! Provided you believe this forum to actually mirror the makeup of the general election electorate... Do you ? Hardly.. lol!!

We lean libertarian, in my opinion. I think that is reflected in the poll. We don't have too many die hard Democrats or Republicans who will vote for whomever wins the nomination regardless of whether they like the nominee. In that way, I don't think the forum represents the US accurately.

[Cigar]

I am curious about who here would vote for Trump if he gets the Republican nomination. I suppose we can assume that it will be Clinton that he would go up against so let's make the hypothetical Trump Vs. Clinton.


I would Vote for Trump i a Gazillion Years :laugh:

[Captain Obvious]

Explain that one. How is he a commie?

To Boris, anyone left of Reagan is a collie.

Boris isnt that sharp.

[Tahuyaman]

I get your question/concern, but I felt if I was going to ask people if they'd vote for Trump I had to provide the most realistic scenario to actually get an idea. Some people in this thread have said they'd vote for Sanders or Trump, so if we're assuming Clinton wins the nomination, the most likely outcome for those people is to vote for Trump. Since I included her I also had to include third party and independents (which Bernie Sanders could potentially be). I figured the results would be the most accurate this way but I was most interested in seeing who picked Trump in the scenario.

I'm glad to see that you, unlike some malcontents, actually understand what I was getting at here.

There are some, like me, who will not vote for Trump no matter who his opponant could be. That doesn't mean that I would vote for his Democratic foe, especially if it's either of the two currently in the running.

[Tahuyaman]

I would Vote for Trump i a Gazillion Years :laugh:

You would? Hmmm......

[del]

To Boris, anyone left of Reagan is a collie.

Boris isnt that sharp.

http://www.savethechildren.org/atf/cf/%7B9def2ebe-10ae-432c-9bd0-df91d2eba74a%7D/LASSIE.JPG

woof

[Bo-4]

Depends, i don't think we can assume that Hillary and Trump will win the nominations.

[Common Sense]

Paul Ryan may be shoved in as a pinch hitter.

[Ransom]

Third party.

Too bad we don't have Strike your Vote or None of the Above here.

=Hillary for President.

Reap what you sow, Jr.

[Ransom]

I'm always amused at this question, I've heard it from conservatives and liberals, even from nations foreign. Would you vote for Trump. Here is the US.....economy flat...a national debt we're not going to able to recover from. An education system that is a national embarrassment. A student debt crisis. Foreign affairs crisis....did some traveling this weekend, got back on front of the news this am.....and we're a nation currently divided by what bathrooms men and women should use.

Donald Trump...not responsible for any of this. Never held office. Isn't responsible for selling this country into debt.....isn't responsible for the great cultural divides, isn't responsible for Occupations of Wall Street or the Black Lives Don't mean Sh!t to Us Movement.

But there is 'curiosity' on whether someone would vote for Trump or not?

I think the question comes from someone who's opinions are dominated by news media.

[Doublejack]

I'm always amused at this question, I've heard it from conservatives and liberals, even from nations foreign. Would you vote for Trump. Here is the US.....economy flat...a national debt we're not going to able to recover from. An education system that is a national embarrassment. A student debt crisis. Foreign affairs crisis....did some traveling this weekend, got back on front of the news this am.....and we're a nation currently divided by what bathrooms men and women should use.

Donald Trump...not responsible for any of this. Never held office. Isn't responsible for selling this country into debt.....isn't responsible for the great cultural divides, isn't responsible for Occupations of Wall Street or the Black Lives Don't mean Sh!t to Us Movement.

But there is 'curiosity' on whether someone would vote for Trump or not?

I think the question comes from someone who's opinions are dominated by news media.

My garbage man isn't responsible for any of that either and has the same political experience as Trump. Should we band together and vote Charlie Davis into the most powerful position in the world? He's pretty rude as well unless I tip him a bottle of Crown Royal around Christmas time.

I'm sure everything will be fine. He has solutions.

[Captain Obvious]

http://www.savethechildren.org/atf/cf/{9def2ebe-10ae-432c-9bd0-df91d2eba74a}/LASSIE.JPG

woof

Flocking spell check...

[zelmo1234]

I will actually vote for Donald Trump because he is no worse that Hillary and he totally destroys the GOP establishment that is a Win, Win in my opinion.

[Peter1469]

I will actually vote for Donald Trump because he is no worse that Hillary and he totally destroys the GOP establishment that is a Win, Win in my opinion.

Good points.

[Mac-7]

My garbage man isn't responsible for any of that either and has the same political experience as Trump. Should we band together and vote Charlie Davis into the most powerful position in the world? He's pretty rude as well unless I tip him a bottle of Crown Royal around Christmas time.

I'm sure everything will be fine. He has solutions.

Suppose like hillary clinton your garbage man left the garbage he was responsible for collecting all over the neighborhood.

Would you at least promote him to Supervisor of Sanitation?

[Captain Obvious]

Trump is not a leader, like teh O'bama he will only bring further division to this country.

We don't elect leaders anymore. We have only ourselves to blame for our current situation.

America will never be great again, not in our current system.

[Hal Jordan]

Green Arrow

Funny, you're the one voting Party Line, which was a standard of the communists.

[Hal Jordan]

I like Johnson a lot, always have (no pun intended). But I am not sure that making a statement is as important as keeping Hillary out of the White House at this point. If Trump actually wins, that sends just as powerful of a message to the establishments no matter how they try to justify it. I am not going to commit to anybody yet though, the election is still 7 months out.

How does it send a message to the establishment to vote in one of the people in control of the establishment? The only message it sends is that they have enough control to do away with pretense. The "establishment fighting his nomination" is clearly show, if you look closely enough. What happens the more they "fight" his nomination? He gets more airtime and support.

[GrassrootsConservative]

How does it send a message to the establishment to vote in one of the people in control of the establishment? The only message it sends is that they have enough control to do away with pretense. The "establishment fighting his nomination" is clearly show, if you look closely enough. What happens the more they "fight" his nomination? He gets more airtime and support.

Trump is not one of the establishment. I don't like him and will not be voting for him, but he isn't part of their powertrippy circle jerk.

[Hal Jordan]

Trump is not one of the establishment. I don't like him and will not be voting for him, but he isn't part of their powertrippy circle jerk.

He's one of the controllers of the establishment by his own words. I really don't see how anyone can deny that he is one of the powers behind the establishment when he has said as much.

[Hal Jordan]

=Hillary for President.

Reap what you sow, Jr.

Yeah, that works as well as Lover of bacon=hater of eggs. You can spew that bullshit all you want, but the third parties draw from both major parties. Anyone who truly believes that voting third party is the decider between D and R should be on disability, because they do not have the mental capability to perform day-to-day activities.

[GrassrootsConservative]

He's one of the controllers of the establishment by his own words. I really don't see how anyone can deny that he is one of the powers behind the establishment when he has said as much.

Anything aside from an appeal to authority? Just wondering.

Do you accept everything Trump says at face value or do you ever look at anything for yourself?

The fact that he's only been major voice in politics for this current election season tells me all I need to know. Hillary, Jeb Bush, Cruz, Bernie, and the rest of them have been at this for years.

Trump is not part of their establishment. He's a fresh voice without current political influence.

[Hal Jordan]

Anything aside from an appeal to authority? Just wondering.

Do you accept everything Trump says at face value or do you ever look at anything for yourself?

The fact that he's only been major voice in politics for this current election season tells me all I need to know. Hillary, Jeb Bush, Cruz, Bernie, and the rest of them have been at this for years.

Trump is not part of their establishment. He's a fresh voice without current political influence.

He's a fresh voice that ran for President in 2000? Did you forget that he has been heavily involved in politics since that point at the latest? Does everyone ignore his previous political books? He may not have held office personally, but that means nothing about his involvement in politics.

[Crepitus]

Where is the communist? :shocked:
Deep in Boris's subconscious.

[GrassrootsConservative]

He's a fresh voice that ran for President in 2000? Did you forget that he has been heavily involved in politics since that point at the latest? Does everyone ignore his previous political books? He may not have held office personally, but that means nothing about his involvement in politics.


He wasn't even nominated. Gore, Nader, and Bush. That was 2000.


Trump is definitely the LEAST establishment candidate in it at this moment. I don't even see how one could think otherwise.

[Crepitus]

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[pragmatic]

Regardless of party affiliation. Let's start with a baseline for discussion.

Donald Trump is a cartoonish doofus.


Can we all at least agree on that point....??

[Hal Jordan]

He wasn't even nominated. Gore, Nader, and Bush. That was 2000.


Trump is definitely the LEAST establishment candidate in it at this moment. I don't even see how one could think otherwise.

Did I say he was nominated? I said he ran for President.

So the ones that control the establishment are not establishment? So the CEO of a company has no say over what goes on in the company. So the Pope is not Catholic. If you believe a self-admitted controller of the establishment is not establishment, you are forced to believe those things.

[Hal Jordan]

I would Vote for Trump i a Gazillion Years :laugh:

You would vote for him the second he ran as Democrat.

[GrassrootsConservative]

Did I say he was nominated? I said he ran for President.

So the ones that control the establishment are not establishment? So the CEO of a company has no say over what goes on in the company. So the Pope is not Catholic. If you believe a self-admitted controller of the establishment is not establishment, you are forced to believe those things.

DID I SAY YOU SAID HE WAS NOMINATED?

I hate when people divert to such distractions. I'm out of here.

Heaven fucking forbid you simply discuss the topic at hand instead of creating a meta discussion about who said what.

[Hal Jordan]

DID I SAY YOU SAID HE WAS NOMINATED?

I hate when people divert to such distractions. I'm out of here.

Heaven fucking forbid you simply discuss the topic at hand instead of creating a meta discussion about who said what.

You made the comment that he wasn't nominated, which was unrelated to what I said. Therefore, you are the one who created this distraction.

If you would rather create strawmen than discuss the topic at hand, by all means, leave. If you do want to discuss it, I will be here.

[birddog]

I'm not stupid, I would vote for Trump!

[GrassrootsConservative]

You made the comment that he wasn't nominated, which was unrelated to what I said.

It was to explain how he isn't establishment.

You seem to be saying that because he says he is establishment and he ran a couple times that makes him establishment. I don't think that's true. Hillary has been the wife of a president, sec of state, and for sure countless other political positions. That's establishment, to me. Jeb Bush would be the 3rd in his family to hold the position. That's never happened before. The Adams brothers were close, but that was only 2. That's establishment.

Trump isn't like that. He's not a lifetime politician either like Sanders or Cruz. Get it yet?


Therefore, you are the one who created this distraction.

If that makes you feel better, sure.


If you would rather create strawmen than discuss the topic at hand, by all means, leave.

Show me the strawmen.

This should be good.

Inb4somecrapabouthowIsaidIwasleaving.

[Hal Jordan]

It was to explain how he isn't establishment.

You seem to be saying that because he says he is establishment and he ran a couple times that makes him establishment. I don't think that's true. Hillary has been the wife of a president, sec of state, and for sure countless other political positions. That's establishment, to me. Jeb Bush would be the 3rd in his family to hold the position. That's never happened before. The Adams brothers were close, but that was only 2. That's establishment.

Trump isn't like that. He's not a lifetime politician either like Sanders or Cruz. Get it yet?



If that makes you feel better, sure.



Show me the strawmen.

This should be good.

Inb4somecrapabouthowIsaidIwasleaving.

First off, let me say that the last line made me laugh. Personally, I'd rather have the discussion anyway.

Anyway, you want a strawman?



He wasn't even nominated. Gore, Nader, and Bush. That was 2000.

That's a strawman because nobody claimed that he was nominated. In fact, in 2000, he was basically laughed out of the election. He ran, though, and used many of the same tactics he is using now. It also goes nowhere near proving that he is not establishment.

Now, when he said he bought other members of the Republican party, where was the arguing against that? I know if I was running for President and someone said they had bought most of the people on the stage during a debate, I would be the first to call bullshit. Yet nobody did. Why is that?

I'm not denying that Hillary and Jeb are establishment. I think it would be foolish to think otherwise. However, we have to look at more than the people who have held office when we look at what the establishment is. We have to look at who owns them. We have to look at those who control their decisions. I point to Trump admitting that he did that, because it is very clear. The true establishment (the buyers) tends to try to hide that fact, however, in this case, we have a buyer that has been very open about that fact, who has bought votes from both sides (which you can see if you take the time to look into it, no need to take anyone's word for it). Yet somehow, this controller is going against that which he controls. How does that make any logical sense?

[GrassrootsConservative]

That's a strawman because nobody claimed that he was nominated.

If that is a strawman then so have you made one because I didn't claim that anybody said he was nominated. Unless I did. If that is the case, find it.

[Hal Jordan]

If that is a strawman then so have you made one because I didn't claim that anybody said he was nominated. Unless I did. If that is the case, find it.

That's a strawman because you brought up that he wasn't nominated, even though that was irrelevant to what was said. I notice that you ignored everything else that was actually mentioned.

[GrassrootsConservative]

That's a strawman because you brought up that he wasn't nominated, even though that was irrelevant to what was said. I notice that you ignored everything else that was actually mentioned.

In a conversation about whether one is establishment or not I feel that him not being nominated is very relevant. You may feel differently, but they are only your feelings. I made no strawman. Sorry, I just didn't.


/Edit: And I didn't ignore everything else. I read it and decided I didn't think there was anything else you said that warranted a response from me. I'm still trying to beat it into your head that Trump is not establishment like the rest of them.

[Green Arrow]

In a conversation about whether one is establishment or not I feel that him not being nominated is very relevant. You may feel differently, but they are only your feelings. I made no strawman. Sorry, I just didn't.


/Edit: And I didn't ignore everything else. I read it and decided I didn't think there was anything else you said that warranted a response from me. I'm still trying to beat it into your head that Trump is not establishment like the rest of them.

Jeb Bush wasn't nominated. Jeb Bush isn't establishment.

[Archer0915]

I am curious about who here would vote for Trump if he gets the Republican nomination. I suppose we can assume that it will be Clinton that he would go up against so let's make the hypothetical Trump Vs. Clinton.

Glad you put it that way. If it were Trump v Sanders it would be hard. Hell Sanders has a chance at my vote, Clinton will see hell-fire before she ever sees my vote.

[iolo]

Jeb Bush wasn't nominated. Jeb Bush isn't establishment.

Children of ex-Presidents are proletarians, eh?

[Common Sense]

Jeb Bush wasn't nominated. Jeb Bush isn't establishment.

That depends how you define establishment.

If someone's grandfather was a senator, their father and brother both Presidents and they themselves a governor, there's a pretty good case that they are establishment.

[PolWatch]

Donald Trump admitted in the first debate that he has received favors for donations to politicians. He has benefited by playing the system with 3 business bankruptcies. I don't see how anyone could think he has not been part of the establishment. He is just the other side of the coin.

[GrassrootsConservative]

Donald Trump admitted in the first debate that he has received favors for donations to politicians. He has benefited by playing the system with 3 business bankruptcies. I don't see how anyone could think he has not been part of the establishment. He is just the other side of the coin.

I don't see how anyone could think he's part of the establishment. Do you guys believe everything he says?

[Green Arrow]

That depends how you define establishment.

If someone's grandfather was a senator, their father and brother both Presidents and they themselves a governor, there's a pretty good case that they are establishment.

GRC's entire argument for why Trump isn't establishment centers on the fact he wasn't nominated in 2000. I'm pointing out that it's a silly metric.

[Green Arrow]

I don't see how anyone could think he's part of the establishment. Do you guys believe everything he says?

Only when the evidence proves that what he is saying is true.

[Tahuyaman]

Would you vote for Trump?
if that was the poll question I would have answered "no".

[texan]

This year my ballot looks like this:

Hillary ____
Not HIllary/Dems ___X___

Reason? Economy, it is BS and not working time to change.