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hanger4
04-03-2016, 08:04 PM
"When or if does an unborn child have constitutional rights?" Todd asked.

"Well, under our laws currently, that is not something that exists. The unborn person doesn’t have constitutional rights."

http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/justinholcomb/2016/04/03/hillary-clinton-the-unborn-person-doesnt-have-constitutional-rights-n2142977

She lied yet again and wasn't called on it.

Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act

Hillary Clinton voted "nay" on this bill which became law.

Peter1469
04-03-2016, 08:14 PM
She isn't entirely correct.

domer76
04-03-2016, 08:21 PM
"When or if does an unborn child have constitutional rights?" Todd asked.

"Well, under our laws currently, that is not something that exists. The unborn person doesn’t have constitutional rights."

http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/justinholcomb/2016/04/03/hillary-clinton-the-unborn-person-doesnt-have-constitutional-rights-n2142977

She lied yet again and wasn't called on it.

Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act

Hillary Clinton voted "nay" on this bill which became law.

What specific Constitutional right would you be referring to?

Cigar
04-03-2016, 08:24 PM
Like Mother use to always say, until you stat paying the bills ... you don't have any rights. :laugh:

hanger4
04-03-2016, 08:26 PM
What specific Constitutional right would you be referring to?

What part of this link;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act

didn't you read ??

hanger4
04-03-2016, 08:29 PM
Like Mother use to always say, until you stat paying the bills ... you don't have any rights. :laugh:
And 'meaningless' is your middle name.

JVV
04-04-2016, 12:43 AM
I guess it depends on what the meaning of "constitutional" is.

But since the law wasn't overturned by SCOTUS, I guess those rights were considered "constitutional".

Safety
04-04-2016, 02:08 AM
However, like a discussion a few months ago regarding non-citizens having the right to bear arms, non-citizens may have limited-coverage under the Constitution, but that does not mean they have Constitutional rights.

zelmo1234
04-04-2016, 03:10 AM
Like Mother use to always say, until you stat paying the bills ... you don't have any rights. :laugh:

I suspect that this is closer to what is coming from the Democrats than we might think. and not long after that, it will be unless you pay taxes you don't have any rights. the left has never had a problem with murdering those that they don't believe should have rights.

Quicksilver
04-04-2016, 04:35 AM
Constitutional rights are given to US Citizens.. How does the Constitution describe citizens?


The 14th Amendment (http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am14.html) defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

I don't see the word "Conceived" or naturalized in the United States. Clearly, the Constitution gives rights only to BORN people.

FindersKeepers
04-04-2016, 04:42 AM
She isn't entirely correct.

She's playing with words.

Abortion is ONLY legal to specific stages in the US, and, after that -- it must be a true medical need.

That gives a fetus (after a certain amount of development) a right to life.

We currently have women sitting in prison who attempted abortions past the legal deadline.

FindersKeepers
04-04-2016, 04:44 AM
Constitutional rights are given to US Citizens.. How does the Constitution describe citizens?



I don't see the word "Conceived" or naturalized in the United States. Clearly, the Constitution gives rights only to BORN people.

Why was this woman charged?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/14/tenn-woman-charged-with-attempted-murder-for-failed-coat-hanger-abortion/

Quicksilver
04-04-2016, 06:57 AM
Was she charged under Federal Law? Or was she charged under a Tennessee Law?

From the link

Antiabortion activists say that Tennessee’s laws protect unborn children and their mothers. But critics argue that such laws make it harder for women to access legal abortions and more likely to turn to unsafe, illegal alternatives.
Tennessee has relatively tight restrictions on abortions. Women must make two trips (http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2015/05/18/hour-abortion-waiting-period-signed-law/27546521/) to a clinic, 48 hours apart, before they can undergo the procedure. As of 2011, 63 percent of Tennessee women lived in a county without an abortion provider, according to the Guttmacher Institute (http://www.guttmacher.org/datacenter/profiles/TN.jsp). The state allows abortions up until the point of viability, around 24 weeks, with exceptions afterward for the life and health of the mother. But no clinics offer abortions after 16 weeks, according to the Tennessean (http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2015/05/18/hour-abortion-waiting-period-signed-law/27546521/).

Adelaide
04-04-2016, 07:01 AM
I find it conflicting to have laws that can be used to punish people who kill a fetus/baby, such as when committing murder against a woman who is pregnant. I believe the difference lies (or should lie) in whether the woman intended to keep the fetus/baby, which is usually known since most women tell their friends and family at the 3 month point. Whereas a woman planning to have an abortion isn't going to be announcing it on Facebook for the world to know. Still, it conflicts with the pro-choice stance since the argument can be made as to why it is a crime in some circumstances but not for abortion.

Quicksilver
04-04-2016, 07:03 AM
Or in some states and not others...

Cigar
04-04-2016, 07:11 AM
And 'meaningless' is your middle name.

hanger4 How's you know? Is that you Ma :laugh:

Quicksilver
04-04-2016, 07:41 AM
I am looking forward to the arguments FOR fetal rights.. particularly from those who claim to be "Literalists" to the US constitution. Also.. from those who have stated that the Constitution doesn't grant ANY rights to anyone, as I have heard stated here. If that's the case then it cannot be had BOTH ways..

del
04-04-2016, 08:39 AM
i was unaware of a constitutional right to be a victim, but it explains a lot.


The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) law which recognizes a child in utero as a legal victim

*yawn

Quicksilver
04-04-2016, 08:56 AM
i was unaware of a constitutional right to be a victim, but it explains a lot.

Not really... The Act specifically states that the mother must also be harmed or killed AND also that the death penalty CANNOT be given for the harm to the unborn. It also does not allow for the prosecution of anyone performing an abortion on consent of the mother..

ALSO


‘‘(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the

prosecution—

‘‘(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for

which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized

by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for

which such consent is implied by law;

‘‘(2) of any person for any medical treatment of the pregnant

woman or her unborn child; or

‘‘(3) of any woman with respect to her unborn child.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-108publ212/pdf/PLAW-108publ212.pdf


Nice try....(((yawn))))

del
04-04-2016, 09:18 AM
i was unaware of a constitutional right to be a victim, but it explains a lot.



*yawn


Not really... The Act specifically states that the mother must also be harmed or killed AND also that the death penalty CANNOT be given for the harm to the unborn. It also does not allow for the prosecution of anyone performing an abortion on consent of the mother..

ALSO



https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-108publ212/pdf/PLAW-108publ212.pdf


Nice try....(((yawn))))




http://ci.memecdn.com/360/5469360.jpg

carry on

Captain Obvious
04-04-2016, 09:21 AM
Too bad Hillary's mother didn't have an abortion

Quicksilver
04-04-2016, 09:23 AM
Too bad Hillary's mother didn't have anabortion


Hey.... stay Klassy as always... hahahahahahaha

AZ Jim
04-04-2016, 10:34 AM
what part of this link;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/unborn_victims_of_violence_act

didn't you read ??
Constitutional right.

hanger4
04-04-2016, 10:49 AM
Constitutional right.

Hillary Clinton: "The Unborn Person Doesn’t Have Constitutional Rights"

AZ Jim
04-04-2016, 10:54 AM
Hillary Clinton: "The Unborn Person Doesn’t Have Constitutional Rights"And I agree with that position. Until a fetus is born and breathing they are not "people" technically.

Subdermal
04-04-2016, 10:56 AM
Constitutional rights are given to US Citizens.. How does the Constitution describe citizens?



I don't see the word "Conceived" or naturalized in the United States. Clearly, the Constitution gives rights only to BORN people.

The typical leftist numbskulls liked your post.

The Constitution doesn't 'give' rights. The Constitution recognizes and defends rights, and is a check on any Government attempt to violate them.

If you cannot discern the difference, re-enroll in elementary school.

del
04-04-2016, 10:58 AM
Hillary Clinton: "The Unborn Person Doesn’t Have Constitutional Rights"

they don't-the law you cite has nothing to do with constitutional rights

even an asshat like hillary can find a broken acorn twice a day

Bo-4
04-04-2016, 11:08 AM
And she is correct.

The law applies only to certain offenses over which the United States (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) government has jurisdiction, including certain crimes committed on federal (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Government_of_the_United_States) properties, against certain federal (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Government_of_the_United_States) officials and employees, and by members of the military. In addition, it covers certain crimes that are defined by statute as federal offenses wherever they occur, no matter who commits them, such as certain crimes of terrorism.

AZ Jim
04-04-2016, 11:17 AM
Too bad Hillary's mother didn't have an abortionAnother "look at me Mom" post by a minor league troll.

Captain Obvious
04-04-2016, 11:20 AM
Another "look at me Mom" post by a minor league troll.

Go pound sand sweet tits

Tahuyaman
04-04-2016, 11:39 AM
Another "look at me Mom" post by a minor league troll.

Oh my.......

Cigar
04-04-2016, 11:42 AM
The typical leftist numbskulls liked your post.

The Constitution doesn't 'give' rights. The Constitution recognizes and defends rights, and is a check on any Government attempt to violate them.

If you cannot discern the difference, re-enroll in elementary school.


Welcome to struggle for Voting "recognition" ... we've been waiting a long time for you. :laugh:

Quicksilver
04-04-2016, 11:45 AM
The typical leftist numbskulls liked your post.

The Constitution doesn't 'give' rights. The Constitution recognizes and defends rights, and is a check on any Government attempt to violate them.

If you cannot discern the difference, re-enroll in elementary school.


So if the constitution doesn't give rights... where does a fetus get those rights then... Where does anyone get rights? In order to recognize and defend rights.. don't they have to be given? I don't think it's me that needs to go back to school... but Romper Room just may be a little too advanced for you..

Be that as it may... The constitution refers to US citizens as "Born"... A fetus is not "born"..

AZ Jim
04-04-2016, 11:48 AM
Go pound sand sweet titsSon, you'll never see that day.

MisterVeritis
04-04-2016, 12:35 PM
I am looking forward to the arguments FOR fetal rights.. particularly from those who claim to be "Literalists" to the US constitution. Also.. from those who have stated that the Constitution doesn't grant ANY rights to anyone, as I have heard stated here. If that's the case then it cannot be had BOTH ways..
Does the federal government have an enumerated power that covers unborn children? Or is it a states rights issue?

Cigar
04-04-2016, 12:40 PM
In reality, it's the Mother who has all the Power.

NOTHING, The Government or anyone else can do, will change that.

Unless every Mother in The US will be under 24/7 Watch.

Quicksilver
04-04-2016, 01:28 PM
In reality, it's the Mother who has all the Power.

NOTHING, The Government or anyone else can do, will change that.

Unless every Mother in The US will be under 24/7 Watch.


With a teenie tiny itsie bitsie camera in her uterus.. making sure that if an embryo should show up... there is no foul play. So much for the party of small government.

I agree.. The choice should be up to the woman.. period.

Subdermal
04-04-2016, 01:33 PM
So if the constitution doesn't give rights... where does a fetus get those rights then... Where does anyone get rights?

The answer is written in our historic documents. I'd suggest you take a look at them. Search for the word 'endowed'.


In order to recognize and defend rights.. don't they have to be given? I don't think it's me that needs to go back to school... but Romper Room just may be a little too advanced for you...

Whatever you say, sport.


Be that as it may... The constitution refers to US citizens as "Born"... A fetus is not "born"..

What does 'right to life' mean?

Peter1469
04-04-2016, 04:13 PM
I am looking forward to the arguments FOR fetal rights.. particularly from those who claim to be "Literalists" to the US constitution. Also.. from those who have stated that the Constitution doesn't grant ANY rights to anyone, as I have heard stated here. If that's the case then it cannot be had BOTH ways..


You apparently don't understand what that phrase means.

Quicksilver
04-04-2016, 04:20 PM
You folks make be laugh... The standard cop out here is that if someone disagrees... then they don't know anything or understand the issue..

Yet Peter.. you offer no explanation.... I take it that YOU don't know.. and you have no rebuttal.. so what better than to accuse ME of being stupid.
Why don't YOU enlighten me then? I think I know why.. lol!!

domer76
04-04-2016, 04:55 PM
What part of this link;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act

didn't you read ??

It recognizes them as legal victims.

So, I'll ask again, since you failed to understand that simple question. What specific Constitutional right would you be referring to? Be specific.

hanger4
04-04-2016, 05:10 PM
It recognizes them as legal victims.

So, I'll ask again, since you failed to understand that simple question. What specific Constitutional right would you be referring to? Be specific.

You're playing semantics domer. If unborn people have no constitutional rights then why hasn't the 2004 law been struck down.

Private Pickle
04-04-2016, 05:20 PM
You're playing semantics comer. If unborn people have no constitutional rights then why hasn't the 2004 law been struck down.

That pertains to Federal crimes only... Regardless, the bill specifically exempts abortion...

Peter1469
04-04-2016, 05:27 PM
I know what it means. You have demonstrated that you do not. At least two other people already touched on it.

You still don't know what it means.


You folks make be laugh... The standard cop out here is that if someone disagrees... then they don't know anything or understand the issue..

Yet Peter.. you offer no explanation.... I take it that YOU don't know.. and you have no rebuttal.. so what better than to accuse ME of being stupid.
Why don't YOU enlighten me then? I think I know why.. lol!!