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Peter1469
04-14-2016, 03:53 PM
Why the Goldman Sachs settlement is a $5B sham (https://newrepublic.com/article/132628/goldman-sachs-settlement-5-billion-sham)

Goldman Sachs admitted to criminal acts and they got off with a $5B settlement. But much of that settlement can be written off on its taxes. Also a lot of that payout will be with other people's money. It is complicated so read the article.


The Justice Department announcement (https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/goldman-sachs-agrees-pay-more-5-billion-connection-its-sale-residential-mortgage-backed) in the Goldman case states that between 2005 and 2007, the investment bank marketed and sold mortgage-backed securities to investors that were of lower quality than promised. As a result, Goldman will pay a $2.385 billion civil penalty to the Justice Department, $875 million resolving claims from other state and federal agencies, and $1.8 billion in so-called “consumer relief” measures, like forgiving principal on loans and providing financing for affordable housing. That’s where the much-touted $5 billion figure comes from.
In The New York Times, Nathaniel Popper took a careful look (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/12/business/dealbook/goldman-sachs-to-pay-5-1-billion-in-mortgage-settlement.html) at the consumer relief provisions, finding that Goldman Sachs could pay up to $1 billion less than advertised, because the company gets extra credit for spending in certain hard-hit communities or for meeting its obligations within the first six months. I appreciate Popper’s precision, but it’s unnecessary. None of this consumer relief represents a penalty on Goldman at all.





That’s because Goldman Sachs doesn’t own any of the loans it’ll be modifying. They were sold to investors years ago. Goldman will quite literally pay that fine with someone else’s money; in fact, the money comes from the very investors Goldman victimized, by selling them toxic securities under false pretenses.




So what about the consumer relief that goes toward financing affordable housing and community reinvestment? This involves making loans, a moneymaking activity for banks (indeed, their primary function). Getting banks to lend in poor communities, which they often neglect, is laudable in some sense. But it’s hardly a penalty for Goldman Sachs. I have described this in the past as akin to sentencing a bank robber to opening a lemonade stand.

MisterVeritis
04-14-2016, 04:24 PM
Why the Goldman Sachs settlement is a $5B sham (https://newrepublic.com/article/132628/goldman-sachs-settlement-5-billion-sham)

Goldman Sachs admitted to criminal acts and they got off with a $5B settlement. But much of that settlement can be written off on its taxes. Also a lot of that payout will be with other people's money. It is complicated so read the article.
It looks to me as if the government is the big winner. It caused the problem and reaps the rewards. I love plunder.

Peter1469
04-14-2016, 04:26 PM
It looks to me as if the government is the big winner. It caused the problem and reaps the rewards. I love plunder.
yup

donttread
04-15-2016, 10:46 AM
Why the Goldman Sachs settlement is a $5B sham (https://newrepublic.com/article/132628/goldman-sachs-settlement-5-billion-sham)

Goldman Sachs admitted to criminal acts and they got off with a $5B settlement. But much of that settlement can be written off on its taxes. Also a lot of that payout will be with other people's money. It is complicated so read the article.

What about putting someone in jail, execs getting fired minus the golden parachute , denying them the opportunity to sell the services where they committed the violations for several years, splitting them up and people loosing SEC credentials?

The Xl
04-15-2016, 10:50 AM
It's all a fraud. Bankers basically run the world.

texan
04-15-2016, 12:43 PM
If you think the money allows Bernie to get in there to screw with them you would be wrong..........The money has spoken and the fix is in the form of another puppet. Hillary Clinton, working for you! LOL

MisterVeritis
04-15-2016, 12:44 PM
What about putting someone in jail, execs getting fired minus the golden parachute , denying them the opportunity to sell the services where they committed the violations for several years, splitting them up and people loosing SEC credentials?
It would be far better to jail the congress critters who forced a system upon lenders that created this problem.

The Xl
04-15-2016, 12:58 PM
It would be far better to jail the congress critters who forced a system upon lenders that created this problem.

They buy the politicians. The system benefits them greatly and is just the way they want it.

Jail them both. Problem solved.

Peter1469
04-15-2016, 05:00 PM
What about putting someone in jail, execs getting fired minus the golden parachute , denying them the opportunity to sell the services where they committed the violations for several years, splitting them up and people loosing SEC credentials?

That is what should have happened.

Peter1469
04-23-2016, 12:47 PM
Here is an update that is rather technical (http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/why-the-s-e-c-didnt-hit-goldman-sachs-harder)- it explains why criminal charges should have been brought and why they were not.


In the late summer of 2009, lawyers at the Securities and Exchange Commission were preparing to bring charges in what they expected would be their first big crackdown coming out of the financial crisis. The investigators had been looking into Goldman Sachs’s mortgage-securities business, and were preparing to take on the bank over a complex deal, known as Abacus, that it had arranged with a hedge fund. They believed that Goldman had committed securities violations in developing Abacus, and were ready to charge the firm.


James Kidney, a longtime S.E.C. lawyer, was assigned to take the completed investigation and bring the case to trial. Right away, something seemed amiss. He thought that the staff had assembled enough evidence to support charging individuals. At the very least, he felt, the agency should continue to investigate more senior executives at Goldman and John Paulson & Company, the hedge fund run by John Paulson that made about a billion dollars from the Abacus deal. In his view, the S.E.C. staff was worried about the effect the case would have on Wall Street executives, a fear that deepened when he read an e-mail from Reid Muoio, the head of the S.E.C.’s team looking into complex mortgage securities. Muoio, who had worked at the agency for years, told colleagues that he had seen the “devasting [sic] impact our little ol’ civil actions reap on real people more often than I care to remember. It is the least favorite part of the job. Most of our civil defendants are good people who have done one bad thing.” This attitude agitated Kidney, and he felt that it held his agency back from pursuing the people who made the decisions that led to the financial collapse.


While the S.E.C., as well as federal prosecutors, eventually wrenched billions of dollars from the big banks, a vexing question remains: Why did no top bankers go to prison? Some have pointed out that statutes weren’t strong enough in some areas and resources were scarce, and while there is truth in those arguments, subtler reasons were also at play. During a year spent researching for a book on this subject, I’ve come across case after case in which regulators were reluctant to use the laws and resources available to them. Members of the public don’t have a full sense of the issue, because they rarely get to see how such decisions are made inside government agencies.