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Cigar
04-18-2016, 01:17 PM
Already missing our soon-to-be-former POTUS.

something is dawning on us—it’s almost too soon for us to admit, but it’s there, a half-considered thought only now blooming in our brains. Maybe we dismiss it with one of those quick cognitive fly swats. Nah, too early to say or I hate that guy. But the truth is coming, and it sounds like this: Barack Obama will be inducted into the league of Great Presidents.

Wait. One of the Greatest? you ask, your thumb emoticon poised to turn up or down on me. The guy haters love to hate with their very best hate game? Like 20-Dollar Bill great? Like Mount Rushmore great?

Yep. (We just won’t build Mount Rushmores anymore.) In so many ways, Obama was better than we imagined, better than the body politic deserved, and far, far better than his enemies will ever concede, but the great thing about being great is that the verdict of enemies doesn’t matter.

In fact, and I say this as a Bill Clinton fan, I now feel certain that, in the coming decades, Obama’s star will rise higher than Clinton’s, and he’ll replace Bill in the public mind as the Greatest Democrat since FDR.

This has to do with the nature of Obama’s leadership, which is to play to legacy (and Clinton’s impulse, which is to play to the room). Bill Clinton will long be revered because he’s charismatic, presided over an economic revival, and changed and elevated the view of the Democratic Party. Barack Obama will long be revered because he’s charismatic, presided over an economic revival, and changed and elevated the view of the presidency. He’s simply bigger than Bill.

More to the point, Obama’s legacy is the sort that gets canonized. Because the first rule of Hall of Fame-dom: The times have to suck for the president not to. Civil wars, World Wars, depressions and recessions. You got to have ’em if you wanna be great. That’s why we rate the Washingtons, Lincolns, and Roosevelts over That Fat Guy with the Walrus Mustache. Like Obama, these Great Men were dealt sucky hands, won big, and left the country better off than it was before.

http://www.gq.com/story/obama-greatest-president-legacy


:shocked: This should be good. :laugh:

Cletus
04-18-2016, 01:23 PM
Already missing our soon-to-be-former POTUS.

something is dawning on us—it’s almost too soon for us to admit, but it’s there, a half-considered thought only now blooming in our brains. Maybe we dismiss it with one of those quick cognitive fly swats. Nah, too early to say or I hate that guy. But the truth is coming, and it sounds like this: Barack Obama will be inducted into the league of Great Presidents.

Wait. One of the Greatest? you ask, your thumb emoticon poised to turn up or down on me. The guy haters love to hate with their very best hate game? Like 20-Dollar Bill great? Like Mount Rushmore great?

Yep. (We just won’t build Mount Rushmores anymore.) In so many ways, Obama was better than we imagined, better than the body politic deserved, and far, far better than his enemies will ever concede, but the great thing about being great is that the verdict of enemies doesn’t matter.

In fact, and I say this as a Bill Clinton fan, I now feel certain that, in the coming decades, Obama’s star will rise higher than Clinton’s, and he’ll replace Bill in the public mind as the Greatest Democrat since FDR.

This has to do with the nature of Obama’s leadership, which is to play to legacy (and Clinton’s impulse, which is to play to the room). Bill Clinton will long be revered because he’s charismatic, presided over an economic revival, and changed and elevated the view of the Democratic Party. Barack Obama will long be revered because he’s charismatic, presided over an economic revival, and changed and elevated the view of the presidency. He’s simply bigger than Bill.

More to the point, Obama’s legacy is the sort that gets canonized. Because the first rule of Hall of Fame-dom: The times have to suck for the president not to. Civil wars, World Wars, depressions and recessions. You got to have ’em if you wanna be great. That’s why we rate the Washingtons, Lincolns, and Roosevelts over That Fat Guy with the Walrus Mustache. Like Obama, these Great Men were dealt sucky hands, won big, and left the country better off than it was before.

http://www.gq.com/story/obama-greatest-president-legacy


:shocked: This should be good. :laugh:

So, you yapped and yapped but couldn't list a single accomplishment that would make someone consider him "great".

The reality is, history will not be kind to Obama, nor should it be. Future generations will spit when his name is mentioned.

Cigar
04-18-2016, 01:33 PM
So, you yapped and yapped but couldn't list a single accomplishment that would make someone consider him "great".

The reality is, history will not be kind to Obama, nor should it be. Future generations will spit when his name is mentioned.


The simple Fact that he has The GOP and Conservative loosing their minds is plenty Great for me. :laugh:

zelmo1234
04-18-2016, 01:33 PM
I think with the left Cigar is correct. Bill Clinton while admired by Democrats is not likely to receive praise from them in the distant future? Why? because what really caused the economic boom of the Clinton Presidency was not a liberal idea. He reformed Welfare, and actually was responsible for a large tax cut to the rich that Reagan.

I also found it interesting that Cigar mentioned FDR. Historically, FDR id credited with prolonging the Depression, not acting to end it. Likewise I think that History will show that the policies of Obama actually prolonged the Great Recession, rather than shortened or ended it.

So from the Ideology of the left, Obama will be great, Million more are totally dependent on the government than when he took office. the Middle class has lost so much wealth and income that they are now dependent rather than the up and coming Race relations have returned to the level in the 60's and the nation internationally is very, very weak.

While we on the right look to these as failures, to the left, these are GREAT achievements. and thus Cigar is correct the left will sing his praises for decades. However, like FDR history will not be so kind.

JDubya
04-18-2016, 01:34 PM
So, you yapped and yapped but couldn't list a single accomplishment that would make someone consider him "great".

The reality is, history will not be kind to Obama, nor should it be. Future generations will spit when his name is mentioned.

If they're lucky, future generations won't contain people like you.

zelmo1234
04-18-2016, 01:35 PM
The simple Fact that he has The GOP and Conservative loosing their minds is plenty Great for me. :laugh:

And I think that this statement actually sums up what you are saying. The left, and you being part of it, are willing to overlook all of the bad things that have happened to the people they pretend to care about, because he stood up to the GOP. Much the same thing is going on with Trump on the other side, it is not surprising.

But it has nothing to do with the facts of his accomplishments.

Cigar
04-18-2016, 01:36 PM
However you spin it is fine with me; so long as the Back-2-Back "Ws" get fly. :wink:

When you let it ride in Vega on Back or Red, do you really remember the Number? :laugh:

Cigar
04-18-2016, 01:37 PM
If they're lucky, future generations won't contain people like you.


They'll be around, but just a Minority :laugh:

zelmo1234
04-18-2016, 01:38 PM
If they're lucky, future generations won't contain people like you.

This is very telling! As you can see the rabble rousers have such a hate that they are willing to hope for the elimination of those that they don't like. But what they don't understand is when the few that are the makers are eliminated, they can't afford people like JDubya. That is why the numbers reach into the million when socialist take over. first they kill of the 1% and take their money and assets. and then they kill off those that put them in power because they can't afford to take care of those that their system has made useless.

zelmo1234
04-18-2016, 01:39 PM
However you spin it is fine with me; so long as the Back-2-Back "Ws" get fly. :wink:

When you let it ride in Vega on Back or Red, do you really remember the Number? :laugh:

So do you think that GWB will go down as great because he won back to back elections? That seems like you are setting the bar pretty low.

Cigar
04-18-2016, 01:40 PM
This is very telling! As you can see the rabble rousers have such a hate that they are willing to hope for the elimination of those that they don't like. But what they don't understand is when the few that are the makers are eliminated, they can't afford people like JDubya. That is why the numbers reach into the million when socialist take over. first they kill of the 1% and take their money and assets. and then they kill off those that put them in power because they can't afford to take care of those that their system has made useless.


I'm Cool with it :grin:

Cigar
04-18-2016, 01:42 PM
So do you think that GWB will go down as great because he won back to back elections? That seems like you are setting the bar pretty low.


George Bush didn't Win Sh!t, it was given to him by the courts :laugh:

Barack Obama WON by 9.5 MILLION and 5 MILLION Undisputed Popular Votes . :laugh:

zelmo1234
04-18-2016, 01:43 PM
I'm Cool with it :grin:

Me too, I am smart enough to get out of dodge before it happens and you are one of the ones that will be eliminated?

Hard to argue with that?

Cigar
04-18-2016, 01:45 PM
Me too, I am smart enough to get out of dodge before it happens and you are one of the ones that will be eliminated?

Hard to argue with that?


I'm ready, any day and any time ... just not on Saturdays and Sundays, I'm, busy :grin:

zelmo1234
04-18-2016, 01:46 PM
George Bush didn't Win Sh!t, it was given to him by the courts :laugh:

Barack Obama WON by 9.5 MILLION and 5 MILLION Undisputed Popular Votes . :laugh:

Do you have proof that Gore won Florida??? I have been waiting for more than a decade now. And if I remember right it is you and the left that say once the courts have spoken it is final??

As for the numbers?

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922901.html

The percentages are about the same. Clinton never won a majority, and Reagan? Well those are some victory numbers.

FindersKeepers
04-18-2016, 01:54 PM
:shocked: This should be good. :laugh:

He'll be remembered for:

Restarting the Cold War -
Increasing racial division in the US -
Being erroneously awarded a Nobel Peace Prize -- before he led an incursion to overthrow another country's leader -
Getting in bed with the insurance and Big Pharma industries -
Drawing red lines in the sand and then stuttering and stammering when they were crossed -
Throwing the entire country of Libya into terrorist chaos -
Treating strategic allies like enemies -
Making ridiculously ignorant deal with our enemies -
Attempting to bankrupt industries in his own country -
Lying to Americans about his signature health plan -
Secret expansion of the "Let's Spy on our Citizens" program -
Meddling in the ouster of duly elected Presidents of other nations (which led to Russia's annexation of Crimea)

The list goes on and on....

Cletus is right -- history will not remember Obama kindly.

FindersKeepers
04-18-2016, 01:55 PM
George Bush didn't Win Sh!t, it was given to him by the courts :laugh:



Save it for your regular Whiny Wednesday thread. :grin:

Cigar
04-18-2016, 02:09 PM
Do you have proof that Gore won Florida??? I have been waiting for more than a decade now. And if I remember right it is you and the left that say once the courts have spoken it is final??

As for the numbers?

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922901.html

The percentages are about the same. Clinton never won a majority, and Reagan? Well those are some victory numbers.


I honestly don't care, it's the past.

Cigar
04-18-2016, 02:11 PM
He'll be remembered for:

Restarting the Cold War -
Increasing racial division in the US -
Being erroneously awarded a Nobel Peace Prize -- before he led an incursion to overthrow another country's leader -
Getting in bed with the insurance and Big Pharma industries -
Drawing red lines in the sand and then stuttering and stammering when they were crossed -
Throwing the entire country of Libya into terrorist chaos -
Treating strategic allies like enemies -
Making ridiculously ignorant deal with our enemies -
Attempting to bankrupt industries in his own country -
Lying to Americans about his signature health plan -
Secret expansion of the "Let's Spy on our Citizens" program -
Meddling in the ouster of duly elected Presidents of other nations (which led to Russia's annexation of Crimea)

The list goes on and on....

Cletus is right -- history will not remember Obama kindly.


Yep, that's what the New Minorities in The Republican Party will think ... and no one will care what losers think.

Ransom
04-18-2016, 02:17 PM
Obama isn't qualified to do the Bush family laundry, the last 8 years have proven that. He wasn't ever qualified to be President....his own claimed city of Chicago a ruinous mess. Illinois will be the first state to default, his national policies have been equally disastrous.

Threads like this started because the starter knows dam well this is the worst President in history. By far.

Subdermal
04-18-2016, 02:25 PM
Nice op-ed from Pravda.

JDubya
04-18-2016, 02:26 PM
Do you have proof that Gore won Florida??? I have been waiting for more than a decade now. And if I remember right it is you and the left that say once the courts have spoken it is final??

As for the numbers?

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922901.html

The percentages are about the same. Clinton never won a majority, and Reagan? Well those are some victory numbers.

Palm Beach County.

Solidly Democrat district cast six thousand votes for Pat Buchanan, who didnt even get that many votes in heavily conservative districts. An anomaly directly attributed to the "butterfly ballot" that the elderly retirees had complained in great numbers about being confusing.

Had it not been for that alone, Gore would have won a solid victory in Florida.

http://www.asktog.com/images/palmballot.jpg

Butterfly ballot cost Gore White House (http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/palmbeach.recount/)

birddog
04-18-2016, 02:27 PM
I won't argue with Cigar because as someone said, "If you voted for Obama twice, you are way too stupid to argue with!" :rollseyes:

JDubya
04-18-2016, 02:28 PM
He'll be remembered for:

Restarting the Cold War -
Increasing racial division in the US -
Being erroneously awarded a Nobel Peace Prize -- before he led an incursion to overthrow another country's leader -
Getting in bed with the insurance and Big Pharma industries -
Drawing red lines in the sand and then stuttering and stammering when they were crossed -
Throwing the entire country of Libya into terrorist chaos -
Treating strategic allies like enemies -
Making ridiculously ignorant deal with our enemies -
Attempting to bankrupt industries in his own country -
Lying to Americans about his signature health plan -
Secret expansion of the "Let's Spy on our Citizens" program -
Meddling in the ouster of duly elected Presidents of other nations (which led to Russia's annexation of Crimea)

The list goes on and on....

Cletus is right -- history will not remember Obama kindly.

Only by whatever small cadre of half-assed right-wing goofballs are still around by then.

And nobody will give a rat's ass what they think anyway.

Cigar
04-18-2016, 02:28 PM
Obama isn't qualified to do the Bush family laundry, the last 8 years have proven that. He wasn't ever qualified to be President....his own claimed city of Chicago a ruinous mess. Illinois will be the first state to default, his national policies have been equally disastrous.

Threads like this started because the starter knows dam well this is the worst President in history. By far.


You mean the Bush family are still sporting funky cloths :laugh:

Cigar
04-18-2016, 02:29 PM
I won't argue with Cigar because as someone said, "If you voted for Obama twice, you are way too stupid to argue with!" :rollseyes:


Ever notice who are the only ones arguing :laugh: ... for seven years straight?

Cigar
04-18-2016, 02:30 PM
Only by whatever small cadre of half-assed right-wing goofballs are still around by then.

And nobody will give a rat's ass what they think anyway.


They really can't see the entire World laughing at them.

JDubya
04-18-2016, 02:36 PM
Obama isn't qualified to do the Bush family laundry, the last 8 years have proven that. He wasn't ever qualified to be President....his own claimed city of Chicago a ruinous mess. Illinois will be the first state to default, his national policies have been equally disastrous.

Threads like this started because the starter knows dam well this is the worst President in history. By far.

So the high crime rate in Chicago is your "proof" that Obama is a bad President?

:facepalm:

Do you have the slightest clue how stupid that comment made you sound?????

:biglaugh:

Cigar
04-18-2016, 02:37 PM
So the high crime rate in Chicago is your "proof" that Obama is a bad President?

:facepalm:

Do you have the slightest clue how stupid that comment made you sound?????

:biglaugh:


Didn't you know Obama was a Chicago Gang Banger ... ? :laugh:

Safety
04-18-2016, 02:38 PM
Palm Beach County.

Solidly Democrat district cast six thousand votes for Pat Buchanan, who didnt even get that many votes in heavily conservative districts. An anomaly directly attributed to the "butterfly ballot" that the elderly retirees had complained in great numbers about being confusing.

Had it not been for that alone, Gore would have won a solid victory in Florida.

http://www.asktog.com/images/palmballot.jpg

Butterfly ballot cost Gore White House (http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/palmbeach.recount/)

It was the system that was in place before voter ID laws. They both have the same intent....

Cigar
04-18-2016, 02:40 PM
Obama isn't qualified to do the Bush family laundry, the last 8 years have proven that. He wasn't ever qualified to be President....his own claimed city of Chicago a ruinous mess. Illinois will be the first state to default, his national policies have been equally disastrous.

Threads like this started because the starter knows dam well this is the worst President in history. By far.

@Ransom (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=724) Obama Taught Law, a US STATE Senator and worked as a Community Organizer in Chicago ... what does that have to do with any mess in Chicago? :huh:

JDubya
04-18-2016, 03:02 PM
It was the system that was in place before voter ID laws. They both have the same intent....

Not really.

The PB County Supervisor of Elections was a Democrat.

She was the one who, if not the actual designer, chose that ballot style for that election. A horribly bad decision.

The voters who got confused by it were mostly elderly retirees from up north and, predominantly Jewish.

But it was/is a solid Democrat district which makes the fact that thousands of votes were cast for Pat Buchanan or both Buchanan and Gore (multiple ounces) an obvious indication that they meant to vote for Gore.

birddog
04-18-2016, 03:28 PM
Ever notice who are the only ones arguing :laugh: ... for seven years straight?

I agree that you don't argue much, but of course you have no facts to argue with. Obama is indefensible, why should you try? He won because of racism from the blacks and MSM. You should be ashamed!

Cigar
04-18-2016, 03:32 PM
I agree that you don't argue much, but of course you have no facts to argue with. Obama is indefensible, why should you try? He won because of racism from the blacks and MSM. You should be ashamed!


Don't like when that happens to you ... do you? :wink:

birddog
04-18-2016, 05:36 PM
Don't like when that happens to you ... do you? :wink:

Nope, but at least I'm not a racist. I'm not PC either, but remember, you reap what you sow.

Safety
04-18-2016, 05:45 PM
:rofl:
:biglaugh:

Mac-7
04-18-2016, 07:25 PM
So, you yapped and yapped but couldn't list a single accomplishment that would make someone consider him "great".

The reality is, history will not be kind to Obama, nor should it be. Future generations will spit when his name is mentioned.

Obumer is black.

or havent you heard?

Alll the politically correct guilt ridden liberal white academics will gush over him and that counts as greatness in lib lib la la land.

Captain Obvious
04-18-2016, 08:44 PM
http://payload276.cargocollective.com/1/16/513062/7835864/Hondenstront_005.jpg

Tahuyaman
04-18-2016, 11:17 PM
.

More to the point, Obama’s legacy is the sort that gets canonized.



Only if you think egotism, complete incompetence and indecision are positive virtues.

Tahuyaman
04-18-2016, 11:19 PM
Obumer is black.

or havent you heard?


I heard that his biological mama is white? Doesn't that make at least half white?

zelmo1234
04-18-2016, 11:32 PM
Palm Beach County.

Solidly Democrat district cast six thousand votes for Pat Buchanan, who didnt even get that many votes in heavily conservative districts. An anomaly directly attributed to the "butterfly ballot" that the elderly retirees had complained in great numbers about being confusing.

Had it not been for that alone, Gore would have won a solid victory in Florida.

http://www.asktog.com/images/palmballot.jpg

Butterfly ballot cost Gore White House (http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/palmbeach.recount/)

So what you are saying is Democrats are stupid and can't read? would you have voted for Pat??? I think not.

zelmo1234
04-18-2016, 11:34 PM
They really can't see the entire World laughing at them.

And you can't see the world laughing at Obama? what is the difference. Hell Putin mocks him openly! So does Merkel

maineman
04-18-2016, 11:38 PM
And you can't see the world laughing at Obama? what is the difference. Hell Putin mocks him openly! So does Merkel

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1678/most-admired-man-woman.aspx

Tahuyaman
04-19-2016, 09:26 AM
There are two reasons someone can claim Obama will go down in history as a great president. Neither have anything to do with his performance as POTUS.

birddog
04-19-2016, 09:28 AM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1678/most-admired-man-woman.aspx

No question he should be greatly admired for being a persistent incompetent liar, and being able to get by with it! You have to admire his success in getting what he wants, although he is wrecking the country thanks to gullible accomplices.

Tahuyaman
04-19-2016, 09:29 AM
So what you are saying is Democrats are stupid and can't read? would you have voted for Pat??? I think not.

I didnt see anything confusing there. The names followed by an arrow seemed pretty clear.

Cigar
04-19-2016, 09:32 AM
No question he should be greatly admired for being a persistent incompetent liar, and being able to get by with it! You have to admire his success in getting what he wants, although he is wrecking the country thanks to gullible accomplices.


Still Hurts I see ... Good :wink:

birddog
04-19-2016, 09:38 AM
Still Hurts I see ... Good :wink:

Speaking of "hurt," Hillary is going down, and not just on Huma!

Cigar
04-19-2016, 09:43 AM
Speaking of "hurt," Hillary is going down, and not just on Huma!


Whatever helps you get through the day :laugh:

donttread
04-19-2016, 09:17 PM
So the man who ran on an ultra liberal anti-war , anti-Wall Street platform while saying something about protecting whistle blowers and then bailed out the megacorps, made war with the best of em, drone bombing the shit out of villages even allied countries and shattered Bush's spending and debt records, while chasing a whistle blowing Patriot half way around the world and still kept spying on us . That man will be one of the greatest presidents in our history?
C'mon man

domer76
04-19-2016, 09:22 PM
Speaking of "hurt," Hillary is going down, and not just on Huma!

Where are you going to move when she becomes President?

birddog
04-19-2016, 11:15 PM
Where are you going to move when she becomes President?

I'm not going anywhere. I'm too patriotic to put out those kinds of garbage threats like you libtards do!:rollseyes:

domer76
04-19-2016, 11:39 PM
I'm not going anywhere. I'm too patriotic to put out those kinds of garbage threats like you libtards do!:rollseyes:

So you will continue to shit your diapers and provide us comments that are less intelligent than your dog.

lol

Mac-7
04-20-2016, 01:44 AM
So what you are saying is Democrats are stupid and can't read? would you have voted for Pat??? I think not.

The butterfly ballot was only confusing to stupid gore voters who were herded like cattle to the polling place and before getting off the bus told to "vote every page."

maineman
04-20-2016, 08:41 AM
The butterfly ballot was only confusing to stupid gore voters who were herded like cattle to the polling place and before getting off the bus told to "vote every page."

actually, they were all elderly New York Jews who had retired to Palm Beach.

birddog
04-20-2016, 09:58 AM
So you will continue to $#@! your diapers and provide us comments that are less intelligent than your dog.

lol

I would also insult you in a vulgar manner, but "I shan't cast pearls before swine!" :yawn:

Ransom
04-20-2016, 01:32 PM
Where are you going to move when she becomes President?

He's gonna move to second or even third world status like the rest of us Americans. He's got no choice...once Hillary is elected....we'll all be like the commercial..


we'll all be settlers.

Ransom
04-20-2016, 01:33 PM
I would also insult you in a vulgar manner, but "I shan't cast pearls before swine!" :yawn:

Don't insult swine, birddog.

birddog
04-20-2016, 03:48 PM
Don't insult swine, birddog.


Next time I eat bacon, I will apologize. :grin: