How Donald Trump Can Beat Hillary Clinton.....

[MMC]

That's Right.....and what makes this all the more better. Its the leftness saying Trump can beat Hillary. This one comes from the Atlantic.





He spent years as a moderate. He spent years as a nationalist. Why can’t he spend six months being a moderate nationalist? But Trump’s strengths and grand strategy make him considerably more dangerous in a general election than people seem to think.

There are two pieces of conventional wisdom about Donald Trump that don't fit comfortably together. On the one hand, people seem to think Trump’s appeal transcends the issues and that he doesn’t really care about policy. On the other hand, he’s considered unelectable because of his policies, like building a Mexican wall and banning Muslim immigrants.

But here’s the problem: If Trump doesn’t care about policy and his appeal truly transcends issues, what’s stopping him from becoming a starkly different person in the general election, the same way he's morphed, with convenient timing, from a moderate businessman—supportive of Canadian health care, a friend of Democrats, an admirer of Hillary Clinton—to a nationalist demagogue?

Trump’s most famous skill is self-promotion through bloviation. But his most underrated skill is he is a terrific panderer. He will say anything he thinks people want to hear, but he'll say it in a way that makes his pandering look like an act of courage. The ingenious subtext of much of his messaging is: “Nobody wants to hear this hard truth, but here it is: you’re right!” As a businessman, he had no problem hiring illegal immigrants. But when he sniffed out illegal immigration as a hot-button topic, he promised mass deportations, the most beautiful wall in the Western Hemisphere, and a punitive financing scheme: Mexico pays! He trashed former klansman David Duke years ago. But when he suspected that some voters in Super Tuesday states might be sympathetic to white supremacy, he scolded CNN’s Jake Tapper for asking him to disavow somebody he’d never met.

In all 15 states that have voted in the GOP primary, Trump’s supporters have named the same quality as most important in a president: Somebody who “tells it like it is.” Does it matter that Politifact determined that 76 percent of Trump's statements were errors, inaccuracies, or absurd lies? No way. Somebody who “tells it like it is” doesn’t have to “get the facts right.” Trump doesn’t need to be accurate, because he’s authentic. And yes, there is a difference. The difference between accuracy and authenticity is the difference between a British passport and a British accent. People with the former tend to have the latter, but the first is concrete and falsifiable, and the second is easily faked.

Is it really so hard to imagine Trump peddling a populist message that keeps the Great Wall of America (he can’t disavow that wall), dials down on the dog-whistle rhetoric toward Hispanics and Muslims, and goes hard at the economic and cultural insecurity of the middle class by promising them a gorgeous new fleet of protectionist trade deals, a big beautiful tax cut, and all the social spending they’ve come to love? Pay Less, Keep More, Win, Win, Win. It will be a incredible six months of populist pandering. And what’s worse: If it produces results and he rises in the polls, the political media will paint Trump as a rapidly maturing centrist......snip~

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/of-course-donald-trump-can-beat-hillary-clinton/471879/

[Cigar]

This should be Good :grin:

[Standing Wolf]

Fortunately, the majority of Americans don't suffer from whatever that was Drew Barrymore's character had in the movie where she woke up every day not remembering anything that had happened the day before. The article postulates that Americans are so shallow and stupid that they would vote for a man they despised and/or laughed at mere months before, simply because his "message" had changed - again.

I'm still not convinced that the GOP will put that particular gun in its mouth at the Convention, but if it does - be assured that nothing Trump has ever said or done will go unmentioned or unremarked in the run-up to the election.

[Mac-7]

Fortunately, the majority of Americans don't suffer from whatever that was Drew Barrymore's character had in the movie where she woke up every day not remembering anything that had happened the day before. The article postulates that Americans are so shallow and stupid that they would vote for a man they despised and/or laughed at mere months before, simply because his "message" had changed - again.

I'm still not convinced that the GOP will put that particular gun in its mouth at the Convention, but if it does - be assured that nothing Trump has ever said or done will go unmentioned or unremarked in the run-up to the election.

The country is being overrun by illegal aliens and the economy is in shambles.

The public blames washington for that.

hillary represents washington

trump doesnt

[MMC]

This should be Good :grin:


Heya Cigar http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/yo2.gif Ltns bro.....Indeed it does get better with the Progressives even coming out and saying Trump can beat Hillary.


How Donald Trump Could Beat Hillary Clinton.....
In the general election, he could win by running to her left—and her right.

But Democrats should resist the temptation to indulge in schadenfreude, because they’re flirting with their own version of crack-up. The Dems are stalked by very similar contradictions, and face the same storm of popular disgust among once-loyal constituencies. The 2016 election is shaping up as payback time in our crippled democracy. The people have discovered ways to express their long-smoldering contempt for the regular order. Power politics, they discover, can be both mischievously fun and also purposeful.

Trump and Sanders are forcing the political system to confront some malignant deformities in American life that both parties have tried to ignore, because, in their different ways, both are to blame. People feel betrayed, abandoned by representative democracy in favor of powerful interests. Year after year, political leaders and presidents of both parties essentially lied to the people about fundamental matters—war and peace, lost prosperity, and the bruising generation of lost jobs and declining wages. The big media mostly looked the other way. Prestige news outlets witlessly reported the deceitful reassurances that leading economists provided with their statistical flimflam.

Lies, lies, lies. Yes, Donald Trump tells lots of lies himself, but they seem modest alongside the monstrous deceptions that Democrats and Republicans used to mislead the country into the multinational betrayal. Not just the unfair trade rules that favored foreign producers, but the recurring scam of tax cuts for the wealthy, who were supposed to create products and lots more jobs.

The media bias continues. Listen to current commentary or read leading newspapers, and you will see reliance on the same “experts” who led cheers for the New Democrat policies that helped wreck US prosperity. They attack Trump’s ugly qualities, but they also disparage rebellious public opinion as foolish.

Then, in the fall campaign, Trump changes his style and launches a ferocious and substantive assault on Clinton, with devastating effect. He does this essentially by taking over the Sanders economic agenda. He denounces HRC as a tool of wealthy plutocrats and speaks for working-class discontents, much as he has done in the primary season. He piles on the ugly personal slurs, but his central thrust becomes more grown-up and closely argued. Indeed, one can already observe Trump moderating his tone, edging toward a more “presidential” performance. Imagine a campaign that merges Bernie’s straight-talk values with traditional Republican values. If so, this could alter the profile of both parties, at least for the 2016 election. It could even define longer-term changes.

When I asked a veteran strategist of left-wing reform politics what he thought, he agreed that such a repositioning is most likely if Trump runs against HRC. “Trump will be the peace candidate in this campaign,” he said. “Trump will be the anti–free trade candidate. The candidate for protecting Social Security and Medicare. For getting big money out of politics. For controlling drug prices.”

A more severe dilemma would confront Hillary. As the Michigan primary demonstrated, she’s not a convincing candidate on the heavyweight economic questions. Even when she makes strong proposals, many voters automatically ask: Can we trust her? She has surrounded herself with small-minded advisers from the Clinton years who are prone to making nasty counterattacks rather than developing genuinely far-reaching policy ideas.

One hallmark of Clinton politics is keeping outsiders out of the room. Left-liberal types were generally excluded during the Clinton years, and nearly so in Obama’s administration. The nation’s circumstances cry out for bold and radical departures from the past. So far, Hillary has mostly stayed with careful, baby-step gestures. She has only a few months to clean house and change all that. New Dems have passed their sell-by date.....snip~

http://www.thenation.com/article/how-the-democrats-could-be-obliterated-in-the-fall-elections/

[Standing Wolf]

Indeed it does get better with the Progressives even coming out and saying Trump can beat Hillary.

Random quotes from anonymous or unknown individuals do not indicate that "the Progressives" are saying anything of the kind. I'm sure if we made the effort we could find ourselves a real life medical doctor who believes that peanut butter can cure cancer.

[Subdermal]

Trump can beat Hillary because she's an extraordinarily unlikable candidate who inspires no one and who has the stink of Washington, lies and corruption about her.

Trump can beat her because a houseplant could beat her.

[MMC]

Random quotes from anonymous or unknown individuals do not indicate that "the Progressives" are saying anything of the kind. I'm sure if we made the effort we could find ourselves a real life medical doctor who believes that peanut butter can cure cancer.

So when did the Nation start hiring Conservatives, again? When it is left wing rags are talking about how Trump can win. Then its more than just Random quotes. Of course with MoveOverdot Organism. Supporting Bernie and Think Progress and how dishonest Hillary is. Puts that into a proper perspective.

Then there was the Boston Globe.






Here’s How Donald Trump Beats Hillary.....
Turnout, terror, and tactics favor Trump against Clinton

After adding to his delegate lead in Tuesday’s GOP contests, Donald Trump remains on track to be the Republican nominee for president. The question is, can he beat Hillary Clinton? The answer is, yes. Clinton is threatened by factors that are unexpected, unusual, and unique.

The Brussels terror attack is a reminder of the uniquely terrifying age in which we live. Clinton’s response promising to stand with our allies without proposing any specific answers was unsatisfying. Trump’s call to seal the borders and bring back waterboarding was clear-cut and definitive. It may not appeal to our better angels, but they tend to take flight in times of national peril.

Before the latest wave of terror attacks, The Washington Post quoted a senior Clinton adviser saying she plans to counter Trump with “high-road substance, policy, and issues.” That sounds like Jeb Bush, who was felled by Trump despite having an overwhelming advantage in money, political pedigree, and organization.

Most observers think current polling showing Clinton beating Trump in the fall is conclusive. What no one expects is how a Trump candidacy potentially changes the general election map with an economic message aimed at blue-collar white voters.

Democratic states with high concentrations of white voters situated in the aging rust belt — states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Ohio — will become new battlegrounds, as they hearken to Trump’s message that unfair trade and cheap immigrant labor is hurting American jobs.

What about the minority vote? Trump can’t do much worse than Governor Mitt Romney did in 2012, getting only 6 percent of African-American voters. Hispanics turned off by Trump’s talk of a border wall may vote in greater numbers against him, but their biggest effect will be in states already in the Democratic column: New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, and California.

Through the first half of the 2016 presidential cycle, Republicans have seen record turnout, while Democrats have experienced a startling drop-off. Here in Massachusetts, GOP turnout was up 50 percent over 2012, while Democratic turnout declined 14 percent from 2008, the last time they had a contested primary. The story of a shrinking Democratic vote is the same everywhere: Virginia, down 20 percent; South Carolina, 30 percent; Nevada, 28 percent; New Hampshire, 12 percent; and Iowa, 27 percent.

Overall, Democratic primary turnout is down by roughly one-third, while Republican numbers have increased by more than two-thirds......snip~

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/03/23/turnout-terror-and-tactics-favor-trump-against-clinton/TMBKrvCo4NXpVOPC25vx3J/story.html

[Mark III]

It really depends on how responsible the media wants to be. National reporting could end Donald Trump at any time, by simply exposing him as the fraud everyone knows he is. It wouldn't even be difficult to do. The problem is that so far the media has been biased - IN TRUMP'S FAVOR!

You have to believe that at some point the media will come to it's senses. Like Col. Nicholson in Bridge On The River Kwai


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlvKydE0EVA

[Bo-4]

Trump can beat Hillary because she's an extraordinarily unlikable candidate who inspires no one and who has the stink of Washington, lies and corruption about her.

Trump can beat her because a houseplant could beat her.

Lol, he'll get no more than 15% of Hispanics, Blacks, Muslims and college kids. Maybe 30% of women.

GO TRUMP!! :)

[Mac-7]

It really depends on how responsible the media wants to be. National reporting could end Donald Trump at any time, by simply exposing him as the fraud everyone knows he is. It wouldn't even be difficult to do. The problem is that so far the media has been biased - IN TRUMP'S FAVOR!



Its too soon for the liberal pro democrat party media to turn on trump

if they destroy him now it only means ted cruz gets the nomination.

[MMC]

Lol, he'll get no more than 15% of Hispanics, Blacks, Muslims and college kids. Maybe 30% of women.

GO TRUMP!! :)


Yeah Hillary does have trouble with women. Not that they have been out reporting it. Other than to mention the Millennials siding with the Sandman.

[suds00]

trump will change our government and not in a good way.it's a shame that he got this far.the others running aren't great butthey're less likely to do irrepairable damage.

[Quicksilver]

Lol, he'll get no more than 15% of Hispanics, Blacks, Muslims and college kids. Maybe 30% of women.

GO TRUMP!! :)

No one has ever won the presidency with less than 30% of the Hispanic vote.. Romney got 27%.

[MMC]

No one has ever won the presidency with less than 30% of the Hispanic vote.. Romney got 27%.

No one ever won the Presidency having over 70% of Independents against them either. But that's what it is looking like for both Hillary and Trump.

So where does Hillary make up the difference? Its not with the undecided as 82% of women that are undecided are against Hillary.

Also, where does she make up all that she is losing with women voters. See women know when there is another woman around. That just is no good.

[AZ Jim]

Trump can beat Hillary because she's an extraordinarily unlikable candidate who inspires no one and who has the stink of Washington, lies and corruption about her.

Trump can beat her because a houseplant could beat her.remember those words.

[Quicksilver]

No one ever won the Presidency having over 70% of Independents against them either. But that's what it is looking like for both Hillary and Trump.

So where does Hillary make up the difference? Its not with the undecided as 82% of women that are undecided are against Hillary.

Also, where does she make up all that she is losing with women voters. See women know when there is another woman around. That just is no good.

The myth of the HUGE independent voter is just that .... a myth. The majority of so called independents are closet partisans who simply do not want to disclose a party preference. With the two parties so far apart in ideology... this is even more true..

[Private Pickle]

The myth of the HUGE independent voter is just that .... a myth. The majority of so called independents are closet partisans who simply do not want to disclose a party preference. With the two parties so far apart in ideology... this is even more true..

Link?

[Quicksilver]

Link?

k

http://www.npr.org/2012/03/26/149402358/just-how-independent-are-independent-voters

[Private Pickle]

k

http://www.npr.org/2012/03/26/149402358/just-how-independent-are-independent-voters

LOL

http://turnto10.com/news/election/rhode-islands-independent-voters-could-sway-tuesday-primary

[Mac-7]

The myth of the HUGE independent voter is just that .... a myth. The majority of so called independents are closet partisans who simply do not want to disclose a party preference.

I agree.

[suds00]

people aren't going to give the keys to government to someone who knows nothing about the workings of government,has no discernable diplomatic skillsand only talent is for demagoguery

[MMC]

people aren't going to give the keys to government to someone who knows nothing about the workings of government,has no discernable diplomatic skillsand only talent is for demagoguery



Someone who has no knowledge about the workings of government, can surround themselves with people that do. Worked before.

But they're not going to give it to someone who is dishonest, can't be trusted, thinks they are above the law, and who has been compromised by those overseas, either.

[Mac-7]

people aren't going to give the keys to government to someone who knows nothing about the workings of government,has no discernable diplomatic skillsand only talent is for demagoguery

You are describing obumer in 2008

[Bo-4]

No one has ever won the presidency with less than 30% of the Hispanic vote.. Romney got 27%.

Nope, there are two studies out modeling a need for 40% of the Hispanic vote or Republicans lose.

GWB was the last one who achieved that .. Trump won't get even half of that.