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Ransom
05-02-2016, 02:29 PM
The recent poll also found that Trump does twice as well among Democrats as Clinton does among Republicans in a matchup between the two candidates.Trump takes 15 percent support of Democrats in a general election matchup between Trump and Clinton, but Clinton takes just 8 percent of GOP voters.

when it comes right down to it, that "Trump does twice as well among Democrats as Clinton does among Republicans" might win him this election.

I would like to meet these 8% of GOP voters who would vote for Hillary Clinton. Should that be true....then they're not GOP voters, merely claim to be.

Ransom
05-02-2016, 02:30 PM
Forgot the link!

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/278366-poll-trump-has-2-point-lead-over-clinton

Cigar
05-02-2016, 02:33 PM
Finally, it's Over, Trump Won!

IMPress Polly
05-02-2016, 02:34 PM
If I may point this out, Rasmussen polls also consistently showed Romney ahead of Obama in 2012 when all the other polls didn't. Similarly, Rasmussen's poll here appears to be an outlier, considering that all the others show Clinton leading Trump, and often by considerable margins. What a coincidence. :wink:

Subdermal
05-02-2016, 02:36 PM
This will get her indicted more than her actual guilt.

Mac-7
05-02-2016, 02:36 PM
2 points is not enough

the poll cannot survey dead people to see how many of them plan to vote for clinton.

but it will be more than 2 percent

del
05-02-2016, 02:37 PM
when it comes right down to it, that "Trump does twice as well among Democrats as Clinton does among Republicans" might win him this election.

I would like to meet these 8% of GOP voters who would vote for Hillary Clinton. Should that be true....then they're not GOP voters, merely claim to be.


according to rasmussen, president romney is enjoying unprecedented popularity as his second term comes to a close.

Subdermal
05-02-2016, 02:38 PM
As Rasmussen demonstrated last election cycle, their polls aren't an accurate reflection of voter enthusiasm.

This time, the candidate who lacks the ability to create enthusiasm is Hillary.

exotix
05-02-2016, 02:39 PM
Rasmussen ? .. LOL

MisterVeritis
05-02-2016, 02:43 PM
according to rasmussen, president romney is enjoying unprecedented popularity as his second term comes to a close.
Do you think Rasmussen learned anything from their earlier errors?

hanger4
05-02-2016, 03:03 PM
"A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely U.S. Voters finds Trump with 41% support to Clinton’s 39%."

"Trump also now does twice as well among Democrats as Clinton does among Republicans."

Trump now has the support of 73% of Republicans, while 77% of Democrats back Clinton. But Trump picks up 15% of Democrats, while just eight percent (8%) of GOP voters prefer Clinton, given this matchup. Republicans are twice as likely to prefer another candidate.

"Among voters not affiliated with either major party, Trump leads 37% to 31%, but 23% like another candidate. Nine percent (9%) are undecided."

http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_41_clinton_39

Reckon the tide is turning or just a blip ??

Bo-4
05-02-2016, 03:21 PM
"A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely U.S. Voters finds Trump with 41% support to Clinton’s 39%."

"Trump also now does twice as well among Democrats as Clinton does among Republicans."

Trump now has the support of 73% of Republicans, while 77% of Democrats back Clinton. But Trump picks up 15% of Democrats, while just eight percent (8%) of GOP voters prefer Clinton, given this matchup. Republicans are twice as likely to prefer another candidate.

"Among voters not affiliated with either major party, Trump leads 37% to 31%, but 23% like another candidate. Nine percent (9%) are undecided."

http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_41_clinton_39

Reckon the tide is turning or just a blip ??

I pay little attention to any given poll (this one appears to be an outlier)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Trump's problem is going to be blacks, browns, Muslims and women.

IMPress Polly
05-02-2016, 03:25 PM
Like I said about Rasmussen earlier, they're a Republican institution, not a credible pollster. Rasmussen polls also consistently showed Romney ahead of Obama in 2012 when all the other polls didn't. Similarly, Rasmussen's poll here appears to be an outlier, considering that all the others show Clinton leading Trump, and often by considerable margins. Don't believe me? Here are all the real polls (http://www.pollingreport.com/wh16gen.htm).

hanger4
05-02-2016, 03:26 PM
Hey Mr./Ms mod just saw this:

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/62157-Trump-leads-Clinton-by-2-points-in-Rasmussen-poll

Y'all be kind enough to merge or delete mine. Y'alls choice. Thanks

MisterVeritis
05-02-2016, 03:27 PM
Like I said about Rasmussen earlier, they're a Republican institution, not a credible pollster. Rasmussen polls also consistently showed Romney ahead of Obama in 2012 when all the other polls didn't. Similarly, Rasmussen's poll here appears to be an outlier, considering that all the others show Clinton leading Trump, and often by considerable margins. Don't believe me? Here are all the real polls (http://www.pollingreport.com/wh16gen.htm).
I can hardly wait for tomorrow's polls.

The Xl
05-02-2016, 03:29 PM
It's not really a biased poll. Most media outlets don't like Trump.

IMPress Polly
05-02-2016, 03:34 PM
It's well known that, unlike all the others, Rasmussen's polling methodology presumes low voter turnout levels as part of how they define "likely voters". That skews the outcomes of their surveys in a way that's always favorable to the Republican candidates. Nobody else does that.

Who was right last time: Rasmussen or everyone else?

The Xl
05-02-2016, 03:40 PM
It's well known that, unlike all the others, Rasmussen's polling methodology presumes low voter turnout levels as part of how they define "likely voters". That skews the outcomes of their surveys in a way that's always favorable to the Republican candidates. Nobody else does that.

Who was right last time: Rasmussen or everyone else?

I think every poll has to be viewed at with some level of skepticism this go around. Between Trump and Sanders, it's the most populist anti establishment election we've had in perhaps 100 plus years. These media outlets tend to protect their own.

Quicksilver
05-02-2016, 03:41 PM
If I may point this out, Rasmussen polls also consistently showed Romney ahead of Obama in 2012 when all the other polls didn't. Similarly, Rasmussen's poll here appears to be an outlier, considering that all the others show Clinton leading Trump, and often by considerable margins. What a coincidence. :wink:


The Rasmussen poll is traditionally Right wing.. And polling is skewed that way.

AZ Jim
05-02-2016, 03:42 PM
Rasmussen's poll 1000 Telephonic. What area codes? Were they a mix of Dems and reps? Women? Men? how was the question phrased? etc......

Mac-7
05-02-2016, 03:45 PM
Like our lefty friend I think its too soon to pay much attention to the polls.

but until yesterday liberals were very proud of the polls because they showed Hillary with a big lead over trump or cruz.

Common Sense
05-02-2016, 03:46 PM
Rasmussen is a conservative leaning poll. Not to mention it's history of inaccuracy.

bajisima
05-02-2016, 03:53 PM
Hard to say until we see more polls. Trump is going around at his rallies since Friday though saying he is so glad he will be facing Clinton and not Bernie. He said he and Bernie "were on the same page" on things like trade and jobs. He says Clinton is easier to go after because her support of trade agreements is public knowledge.

Mac-7
05-02-2016, 03:59 PM
Over time trump has a better chance to expand his base than hillsry does because he has a personality and she doesnt.

so she will play the gender card and the race card and the class envy card

It doesnt mean she cant win.

in fact she has a lot of base voter support, not to mention all the democrsts in the cemeteries.

so it will be a close election

MisterVeritis
05-02-2016, 04:02 PM
Over time trump has a better chance to expand his base than hillsry does because he has a personality and she doesnt.

so she will play the gender card and the race card and the class envy card

It doesnt mean she cant win.

in fact she has a lot of base voter support, not to mention all the democrsts in the cemeteries.

so it will be a close election
I think Trump will win easily.

Tahuyaman
05-02-2016, 04:17 PM
I pay little attention to any given poll

Unless you agree with the results.

Bo-4
05-02-2016, 04:19 PM
Unless you agree with the results.

Might it be possible to curtain your hatred of me for like ---> half an hour?

Tahuyaman
05-02-2016, 04:19 PM
I think Trump will win easily.

I don't think so. If he's the Republican nominee, we will be stuck with four more years of corruption and incompetence.

pragmatic
05-02-2016, 04:20 PM
Hard to say until we see more polls. Trump is going around at his rallies since Friday though saying he is so glad he will be facing Clinton and not Bernie. He said he and Bernie "were on the same page" on things like trade and jobs. He says Clinton is easier to go after because her support of trade agreements is public knowledge.


We are at the beginning of May. Polls can be entertaining to us political nerds, but other wise they don't have a lot of value.

July and August may start providing some insight. The debates will be a milestone. Along with some kind of closure on whether Hillary gets indicted or not.


In a nutshell: It's still way too early.

Tahuyaman
05-02-2016, 04:20 PM
Might it be possible to curtain your hatred of me for like ---> half an hour?
How did that truthful comment translate to hate?

Tahuyaman
05-02-2016, 04:21 PM
Over time trump has a better chance to expand his base than hillsry does because he has a personality and she doesnt.

so she will play the gender card and the race card and the class envy card

It doesnt mean she cant win.

in fact she has a lot of base voter support, not to mention all the democrsts in the cemeteries.

so it will be a close election

I can agree with that.

Green Arrow
05-02-2016, 04:23 PM
Hillary is going to struggle without votes from progressives.

MisterVeritis
05-02-2016, 04:23 PM
I don't think so. If he's the Republican nominee, we will be stuck with four more years of corruption and incompetence.
Trump will be the Republican nominee. I believe Trump will win easily. You prefer to believe something else.

Bo-4
05-02-2016, 04:27 PM
How did that truthful comment translate to hate?

The last time you were "truthful" was when you pooped your pants at age 12.

Momma: Tahu, did you just poop your pants
Tahu: Maybe

Momma: Oh fer F... !!

Bo-4
05-02-2016, 04:43 PM
Hillary is going to struggle without votes from progressives.

The only way i vote for Shillary is if Republicans nominate Ted Cruz, Scott Walker, Mitt Romney or that creepy Munster kid Ryan.

Kasich is my preference @Chris (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=128), but i might totally go Trump if he reels in the BS.

From the morning state newser:

http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article75078827.html

Tahuyaman
05-02-2016, 04:43 PM
Trump will be the Republican nominee. I believe Trump will win easily. You prefer to believe something else.


I don't prefer to believe anything. I just believe that if he's the Republican nominee, we will be stuck with a Clinton presidency.

Peter1469
05-02-2016, 04:44 PM
It's well known that, unlike all the others, Rasmussen's polling methodology presumes low voter turnout levels as part of how they define "likely voters". That skews the outcomes of their surveys in a way that's always favorable to the Republican candidates. Nobody else does that.

Who was right last time: Rasmussen or everyone else?

Their problem in 2012 was assuming a high voter turnout.

I agree that this year will be low voter turnout. We discussed it in several threads.

Chris
05-02-2016, 04:46 PM
The only way i vote for Shillary is if Republicans nominate Ted Cruz, Scott Walker, Mitt Romney or that creepy Munster kid Ryan.

Kasich is my preference @Chris (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=128), but i might totally go Trump if he reels in the BS.

From the morning state newser:

http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article75078827.html


I think you meant Green Arrow.

To me Kasich is too establishment.

Tahuyaman
05-02-2016, 04:47 PM
The only way i vote for Shillary is if Republicans nominate Ted Cruz, Scott Walker, Mitt Romney or that creepy Munster kid Ryan.

Kasich is my preference @Chris (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=128), but i might totally go Trump if he reels in the BS.

From the morning state newser:

http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article75078827.html

Do you really think they would nominate people who are not running? You never cease to amaze me.

Tahuyaman
05-02-2016, 04:48 PM
I think you meant @Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868).

To me Kasich is too establishment.

I don't care whether they are establishment types or not. I just want a solid conservative for a change.

Bo-4
05-02-2016, 04:48 PM
I don't think so. If he's the Republican nominee, we will be stuck with four more years of corruption and incompetence.

Anything YOU call "corruption & incompetence" is good.

Thanks for the beacon of light!

Tahuyaman
05-02-2016, 04:50 PM
Hillary is going to struggle without votes from progressives.

I'm not so sure about that. What's their alternative?

Bo-4
05-02-2016, 04:50 PM
I think you meant @Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868).

To me Kasich is too establishment.

Yep, thanks -- i'm balancing cooking a great meal for my next door neighbors with a lot of stupid.

AZ Jim
05-02-2016, 04:51 PM
These posts should be merged!!

Tahuyaman
05-02-2016, 04:51 PM
The last time you were "truthful" was when you pooped your pants at age 12.

Momma: Tahu, did you just poop your pants
Tahu: Maybe

Momma: Oh fer F... !!

You're on a roll.

It must be spring break from your junior high school.

Bo-4
05-02-2016, 04:52 PM
Do you really think they would nominate people who are not running? You never cease to amaze me.

No .. but they are certainly entertaining the idea.

For F sakes PAY ATTENTION

Tahuyaman
05-02-2016, 04:53 PM
Anything YOU call "corruption & incompetence" is good.

Thanks for the beacon of light!


I knew someone supports incompetence and corruption.

PolWatch
05-02-2016, 04:54 PM
selective poll results? RCP averages several major polls including the ONLY one that shows Trump winning. Congrads to Trump to lead by 2 points in 1 poll out of 7. The front runners for the repub nomination both poll as losing to Clinton. Kasich is the only one that polls as beating Clinton.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_kasich_vs_clinton-5162.html



RCP Average
4/8 - 4/28
--
--
47.1
40.4
Clinton +6.7


Rasmussen Reports (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_41_clinton_39)
4/27 - 4/28
1000 LV
3.0
39
41
Trump +2


IBD/TIPP (http://www.investors.com/politics/trump-gains-ground-on-clinton-but-both-have-sky-high-negatives/)
4/22 - 4/28
814 RV
3.5
47
40
Clinton +7


USA Today/Suffolk (http://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/4_25_2016_marginals.pdf)
4/20 - 4/24
1000 LV
3.0
50
39
Clinton +11


GWU/Battleground (https://mediarelations.gwu.edu/americans-overwhelmingly-engaged-2016-election-tone-race-affecting-voters-new-gw-battleground-poll)
4/17 - 4/20
1000 LV
3.1
46
43
Clinton +3


FOX News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2016/04/14/fox-news-poll-national-release-april-14-2016/)
4/11 - 4/13
1021 RV
3.0
48
41
Clinton +7


NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/16229%20NBCWSJ%20April%20Poll.pdf)
4/10 - 4/14
1000 RV
3.1
50
39
Clinton +11


CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-poll-hillary-clinton-leads-donald-trump-but-voters-view-both-unfavorably/)
4/8 - 4/12
1098 RV
3.0
50
40
Clinton +10

Tahuyaman
05-02-2016, 04:55 PM
No .. but they are certainly entertaining the idea.

For F sakes PAY ATTENTION

No they aren't. The media might be, but they don't get to choose the candidate.

Peter1469
05-02-2016, 04:57 PM
Notice: Duplicate threads merged

Chris
05-02-2016, 05:03 PM
I don't care whether they are establishment types or not. I just want a solid conservative for a change.

I think the thing impressed me most about him was CNN, iirc, did those interviews/townhalls with families. His family was the most endearing.

Bo-4
05-02-2016, 05:09 PM
Unless you agree with the results.

Projecting much?

Dude, please go away .. i don't need one of these but clearly you do.

http://www.amazon.com/Original-Bozo-3-D-Bop-Bag/dp/B00067TAWG/ref=sr_1_1/186-2134392-0703802?ie=UTF8&qid=1462226770&sr=8-1&keywords=punching+bag+bozo

Got me one without having to pay a dime, but clearly you need a release of some sort.

Fucking Sad Man :(

PolWatch
05-02-2016, 05:15 PM
Please stay on topic... take discussion of personalities to the PM function

MMC
05-02-2016, 05:15 PM
when it comes right down to it, that "Trump does twice as well among Democrats as Clinton does among Republicans" might win him this election.

I would like to meet these 8% of GOP voters who would vote for Hillary Clinton. Should that be true....then they're not GOP voters, merely claim to be.

Agreed.....and we will find out which Repubs do vote for Hillary. Then they become the joke of the neighborhood and a future dump site.

hanger4
05-02-2016, 05:29 PM
It's well known that, unlike all the others, Rasmussen's polling methodology presumes low voter turnout levels as part of how they define "likely voters". That skews the outcomes of their surveys in a way that's always favorable to the Republican candidates. Nobody else does that.

Who was right last time: Rasmussen or everyone else?
RCP and PPP were dang near perfect. Pew, Gallup and Rasmussen were wrong. Gallup has even stopped political polling.

MMC
05-02-2016, 05:59 PM
Over time trump has a better chance to expand his base than hillsry does because he has a personality and she doesnt.

so she will play the gender card and the race card and the class envy card

It doesnt mean she cant win.

in fact she has a lot of base voter support, not to mention all the democrsts in the cemeteries.

so it will be a close election

Then when she gets desperate.....she will play her best card. The victim card. There will be some fake tears, sniffles, and some comments about her emails and a vast Right wing Conspiracy.

A lot of the leftness falls for that type of shit. At least we learn who the marks are.

MisterVeritis
05-02-2016, 06:02 PM
i don't prefer to believe anything. I just believe that if he's the republican nominee, we will be stuck with a clinton presidency.
lol

Green Arrow
05-02-2016, 08:30 PM
I'm not so sure about that. What's their alternative?

The Green Party or an independent Sanders run.

Tahuyaman
05-02-2016, 10:10 PM
Agreed.....and we will find out which Repubs do vote for Hillary. Then they become the joke of the neighborhood and a future dump site.

I don't know about the Republiicans, but I don't believe theres a conservative on this planet who could vote for Hillary Clinton.

Tahuyaman
05-02-2016, 10:11 PM
The Green Party or an independent Sanders run.

The Green Party is a joke and Sanders won't run as an independent.

Common
05-02-2016, 10:13 PM
Hillary is going to struggle without votes from progressives.

In the end I think they will vote for her

Common
05-02-2016, 10:15 PM
I think Trump will win easily.

I dont share that opinion I think he has a chance but the advantage is with hillary. Its all going to come down to how pissed off independents are.

Captain Obvious
05-02-2016, 10:17 PM
I'm not voting for Trump but I'd like to see him win just to see the bedshitting from the left.

Common
05-02-2016, 10:20 PM
I don't care whether they are establishment types or not. I just want a solid conservative for a change.

Not in the cards for a long long time.

Tahuyaman
05-02-2016, 10:20 PM
Rasmussen's poll 1000 Telephonic. What area codes? Were they a mix of Dems and reps? Women? Men? how was the question phrased? etc......

Why don't you research that and get back to me. Take all the time you need.

Tahuyaman
05-02-2016, 10:23 PM
Not in the cards for a long long time.

Obviously not this year, but things can change. Individual states are gradually going more conservative all the time. It's only a matter of time before that impacts a national election.

Common
05-02-2016, 10:26 PM
Those who said Rasmussen is to the right, you are right. I dont put much stock in his polls.

The media hates trump and they relentlessly beat him up, day in and day out. Papers like the NY Daily News and other mainstream print. Talk show host drag him in the dirt. As of the primary none of that worked.

In the general everything changes, No more Bernie No more Cruz. Its heads up Trump vs Hillary.
The debates will then have real meaning and I dont think anyone can deny Hillary is a better debater, shes had waaaaaay more practice. Right now trump has the momentum but that can change.

I wouldnt want to bet on Trump vs Hillary

Common
05-02-2016, 10:30 PM
This has a listing of some current polls on Trump Vs Hillary in the General, Rasmussens Poll is included

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Mac-7
05-03-2016, 05:35 AM
Those who said Rasmussen is to the right, you are right. I dont put much stock in his polls.

The media hates trump and they relentlessly beat him up, day in and day out. Papers like the NY Daily News and other mainstream print. Talk show host drag him in the dirt. As of the primary none of that worked.

In the general everything changes, No more Bernie No more Cruz. Its heads up Trump vs Hillary.
The debates will then have real meaning and I dont think anyone can deny Hillary is a better debater, shes had waaaaaay more practice. Right now trump has the momentum but that can change.

I wouldnt want to bet on Trump vs Hillary

I wouldnt bet the rent money either way

Ransom
05-03-2016, 09:24 AM
Just a little poll, you Leftists don't have to go :Skeert: on us.

Ransom
05-03-2016, 09:29 AM
according to rasmussen, president romney is enjoying unprecedented popularity as his second term comes to a close.

The point you missed was Trump doing much better among Democrats than Clinton does among Republicans....that of course in my opinion critical in Trump winning this election. Present company not included of course, you made up your mind to vote for Clinton months ago. Course...you're a suck up so....

Tahuyaman
05-03-2016, 09:52 AM
I find it humorous that liberals dismiss polls when they disagree with the results.

maineman
05-03-2016, 10:02 AM
This has a listing of some current polls on Trump Vs Hillary in the General, Rasmussens Poll is included

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

exactly. RCP is a poll of polls and takes into account the variances in methodology inherent in the processes. Rasmussen is clearly an outlier here, but I love it how conservatives want to grab onto ONE poll and act as if it is of paramount significance while ignoring all the others.

del
05-03-2016, 10:10 AM
I find it humorous that liberals dismiss polls when they disagree with the results.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2HC1W2BR-Q

suds00
05-03-2016, 10:31 AM
one heck of a lot of independants,democrats,etc are going to have to join trump supporters in the fall.this should be interesting.

Green Arrow
05-03-2016, 12:36 PM
In the end I think they will vote for her

No, we won't.

maineman
05-03-2016, 12:49 PM
No, we won't.

do you have a mouse in your pocket?

If not, please don't presume to speak for anyone else.

Common Sense
05-03-2016, 12:55 PM
No, we won't.

I don't know...when push comes to shove, I think many sane Bernie supporters would rather see Clinton in power than Trump. Clinton will be a continuation of the Obama admin, Trump will turn the country in a strange direction.

gamewell45
05-03-2016, 12:57 PM
It's not really a biased poll. Most media outlets don't like Trump.

I've mentioned it before but I'll mention it again; the best and most accurate poll is on election day.

birddog
05-03-2016, 12:57 PM
Trump will win Ohio AND Florida, and a couple of blue states plus all the usual red states. Trump is not a wimp like Romney who blew his last debate. Also, Christie and H. Sandy helped The Kenyan.

Green Arrow
05-03-2016, 07:26 PM
do you have a mouse in your pocket?

If not, please don't presume to speak for anyone else.

I happen to know a lot of people that agree with me.

maineman
05-03-2016, 07:28 PM
I happen to know a lot of people that agree with me.

so what?

I happen to know a lot of Bernie supporters that agree with me.

your anecdotal group of pals is hardly enough to tilt the needle.

maineman
05-03-2016, 07:29 PM
and again... if progressives really gave a shit about this nation, they'd see the incredible importance of SCOTUS nominees as reason to hold their noses and vote for Hillary if for no OTHER reason.

Tahuyaman
05-03-2016, 07:31 PM
Clinton will be a continuation of the Obama admin,

Many people, even on the left aren't comfortable with that.

Tahuyaman
05-03-2016, 07:32 PM
and again... if progressives really gave a $#@! about this nation, they'd see the incredible importance of SCOTUS nominees as reason to hold their noses and vote for Hillary if for no OTHER reason.

If they truly cared about the future of the nation, they wouldn't support Hillary Clinton.

maineman
05-03-2016, 07:32 PM
Many people, even on the left aren't comfortable with that.

relative to what?

maineman
05-03-2016, 07:32 PM
If they truly cared about the future of the nation, they wouldn't support Hillary Clinton.

we'll just have to agree to disagree, sarge.

Green Arrow
05-03-2016, 07:36 PM
and again... if progressives really gave a shit about this nation, they'd see the incredible importance of SCOTUS nominees as reason to hold their noses and vote for Hillary if for no OTHER reason.

Based on...what, exactly? Obama is more of a lefty than Hillary (not that he's much of a lefty himself) and he's hardly made earth-shatteringly progressive nominations.


so what?

I happen to know a lot of Bernie supporters that agree with me.

your anecdotal group of pals is hardly enough to tilt the needle.

We'll see in November.

Tahuyaman
05-03-2016, 08:02 PM
I don't know how anyone who believes the USA is worth protecting and preserving could believe that Hillary Clinton is a satisfactory choice for POTUS. It defies explanation.

del
05-03-2016, 08:34 PM
and again... if progressives really gave a shit about this nation, they'd see the incredible importance of SCOTUS nominees as reason to hold their noses and vote for Hillary if for no OTHER reason.

i'm tired of holding my nose and i don't think there'd be a great deal of difference between a trump appointee and someone appointed by the hag.

fuck hillary

maineman
05-03-2016, 08:35 PM
I don't know how anyone who believes the USA is worth protecting and preserving could believe that Hillary Clinton is a satisfactory choice for POTUS. It defies explanation.

:yawn:

Tahuyaman
05-03-2016, 08:38 PM
Like I said, it defies explanation.

maineman
05-03-2016, 08:41 PM
Based on...what, exactly? Obama is more of a lefty than Hillary (not that he's much of a lefty himself) and he's hardly made earth-shatteringly progressive nominations.

but not Scalia-esque.

maineman
05-03-2016, 08:42 PM
Like I said, it defies explanation.

I would imagine you find that a lot in your life... things that you just can't wrap your little pea-sized brain around.

I'd imagine the moon's effect on tides does the same thing to ya.

Tahuyaman
05-03-2016, 08:48 PM
I was trying to be nice to your senile old ass, but I just can't do it. You 're perhaps the single most person here unworthy of respect. That includes del and domer.

Green Arrow
05-03-2016, 08:55 PM
but not Scalia-esque.

And you know this...how, exactly?

maineman
05-03-2016, 10:11 PM
I was trying to be nice to your senile old ass, but I just can't do it. You 're perhaps the single most person here unworthy of respect. That includes del and domer.

You really should understand that your respect for me, or lack thereof is absolutely inconsequential to me. Really. You're nothing but a bug and what you write and think is nothing but bug dust.

maineman
05-03-2016, 10:12 PM
And you know this...how, exactly?

How do I know that Sotomayor and Kagan are not exactly Scalia-esque? I dunno... I read their opinions from time to time.

Green Arrow
05-03-2016, 10:40 PM
How do I know that Sotomayor and Kagan are not exactly Scalia-esque? I dunno... I read their opinions from time to time.

No, how do you know Hillary won't appoint another Scalia. Unless Dems can take back the Senate, she will nominate whoever will get confirmed. That means nominating whoever the GOP approves of.

maineman
05-03-2016, 11:36 PM
No, how do you know Hillary won't appoint another Scalia. Unless Dems can take back the Senate, she will nominate whoever will get confirmed. That means nominating whoever the GOP approves of.
The nomination of Anthony Kennedy came after the Bork debacle. While no W.O. Douglas, Kennedy certainly wasn't chosen by Reagan simply to pick someone democrats approved of. Hillary will not, for example, appoint a vocally pro-life justice. Trump most certainly could.

Green Arrow
05-03-2016, 11:57 PM
The nomination of Anthony Kennedy came after the Bork debacle. While no W.O. Douglas, Kennedy certainly wasn't chosen by Reagan simply to pick someone democrats approved of. Hillary will not, for example, appoint a vocally pro-life justice. Trump most certainly could.

Why would he? He's not "vocally pro-life" and has no reason to nominate someone that is.

Besides that, since when did that become a bad thing?

maineman
05-04-2016, 12:23 AM
Why would he? He's not "vocally pro-life" and has no reason to nominate someone that is.

Besides that, since when did that become a bad thing?if you don't think it's a bad thing, then my argument falls on deaf ears. You must have had your hearing aid turned off when Trump made his position known on abortion earlier in the campaign as well.

I think you should definitely vote for him. It suits you.

Mark III
05-04-2016, 06:33 AM
Indianapolis (CNN) As Donald Trump captures the mantle of presumptive Republican nominee, a new poll finds he begins his general election campaign well behind Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton.



The new CNN/ORC Poll (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2016/images/05/04/rel6b.-.2016.general.pdf), completed ahead of Trump's victory last night, found Clinton leads 54% to 41%, a 13-point edge over the New York businessman, her largest lead since last July.

Mac-7
05-04-2016, 07:23 AM
How much did hillary lead bernie 7 months ago?

I bet it was at least 13 points

Green Arrow
05-04-2016, 07:36 AM
if you don't think it's a bad thing, then my argument falls on deaf ears. You must have had your hearing aid turned off when Trump made his position known on abortion earlier in the campaign as well.

I think you should definitely vote for him. It suits you.

I don't know, he seems more your style. Over-inflated self-importance, tendency to resort to insults when he loses an argument, emotional outbursts...

Tahuyaman
05-04-2016, 07:44 AM
This must be a turning point n American history. Its difficult to grasp that we are down to these two cartoon characters for POTUS. We are in serious trouble.

Tahuyaman
05-04-2016, 07:45 AM
I don't know, he seems more your style. Over-inflated self-importance, tendency to resort to insults when he loses an argument, emotional outbursts...

You make a good point there. I don't know why I never made that connection.

Tahuyaman
05-04-2016, 07:48 AM
How do I know that Sotomayor and Kagan are not exactly Scalia-esque? I dunno... I read their opinions from time to time.
Because neither appears to be particularly intelligent.

Tahuyaman
05-04-2016, 07:50 AM
You really should understand that your respect for me, or lack thereof is absolutely inconsequential to me. Really. You're nothing but a bug and what you write and think is nothing but bug dust.

You're getting better at trying to come up with your own lines. Now if you can just make them entertaining or somewhat effective, you'll have something.

Ransom
05-04-2016, 09:22 AM
I was trying to be nice to your senile old ass, but I just can't do it. You 're perhaps the single most person here unworthy of respect. That includes del and domer.

I could see including domer, but.......Walnut?

I don't know how anyone tops the forum's walnut concerning your unworthy award there...even Lance.

Ransom
05-04-2016, 09:22 AM
Because neither appears to be particularly intelligent.

Unqualified more accurate but then, look who put them there. The most unqualified President in our history.

maineman
05-04-2016, 09:54 AM
I don't know, he seems more your style. Over-inflated self-importance, tendency to resort to insults when he loses an argument, emotional outbursts...

I have zero sense of self importance. This is a message board. You said that Trump was not vocally pro life which clearly indicates you weren't listening to his interview last month about abortion. Pointing that out is not an "insult". It is merely a fact.

maineman
05-04-2016, 09:55 AM
Because neither appears to be particularly intelligent.

...says the man who can't string six words together without either misspelling one or blowing the syntax.

:rofl:

Tahuyaman
05-04-2016, 09:58 AM
^^^^^ not exactly an intelectual icon himself.

maineman
05-04-2016, 10:15 AM
unlike you, I did not try to favorably compare my intellect with those of two learned jurists.

I am certainly not smarter than ANYBODY sitting on SCOTUS, but I certainly AM smarter than you.

AND... I can spell well.

Adelaide
05-04-2016, 11:17 AM
I was watching Fox when it was announced that this poll was conducted and what the results were. It's only this 1 poll (out of like 25) saying Trump would beat Clinton, and if I remember right Rasmussen polls tend to lean right (other polls can lean left - no system is perfect). I am not sure how accurate this poll is, nor am I sure how accurate the other polls could be. However, I think that if it's only the 1 poll right now saying Trump would win it seems practical to remain pragmatic and realize this could be a blip. If more polls reflect this outcome then it makes sense to take it more seriously.

decedent
05-04-2016, 11:37 AM
when it comes right down to it, that "Trump does twice as well among Democrats as Clinton does among Republicans" might win him this election.

I would like to meet these 8% of GOP voters who would vote for Hillary Clinton. Should that be true....then they're not GOP voters, merely claim to be.

Seriously, what's the point of this poll?

Don't we already know that patriots are going to vote Republican and commies are going to vote Democrat?

domer76
05-04-2016, 11:39 AM
Seriously, what's the point of this poll?

Don't we already know that patriots are going to vote Republican and commies are going to vote Democrat?

lol

texan
05-04-2016, 11:58 AM
Finally, it's Over, Trump Won!


Yep now we know who will be your next president.

Green Arrow
05-04-2016, 01:44 PM
I have zero sense of self importance. This is a message board. You said that Trump was not vocally pro life which clearly indicates you weren't listening to his interview last month about abortion. Pointing that out is not an "insult". It is merely a fact.

What Trump said a month ago is irrelevant. You may buy everything a person says as true, but I do not. Trump has a history of being vocally pro-choice. Lipservice in one or two interviews to the pro-life cause during an election doesn't erase 40 years of history.

Ransom
05-04-2016, 02:14 PM
Seriously, what's the point of this poll?

Don't we already know that patriots are going to vote Republican and commies are going to vote Democrat?

The point of the poll I'll leave to others to decipher, I tried to make a point about the poll and start a thread about it but it's so difficult to get this herd to focus. The point of the poll is tat Trump seemed to get more Democrats to vote for him than did Hillary get Republicans to vote for her. My point was I think that will be critical to this race. Both candidates are disliked so I think people crossing over the aisle will play a significant part, I opened a thread for comments on that point.

And you see where we are. Typical....common. Entertaining and thus tolerable though, you just can't make some of this sh!t up.

Tahuyaman
05-04-2016, 02:28 PM
Anyone who is a rational thinker has to agree that as of right now and as objectionable as it is, Hillary Clinton is the obvious leader nationally.

Peter1469
05-04-2016, 02:32 PM
Regardless of which of the two get in, there will be no changes in truly substantive matters, such as massive deficit spending.

Ransom
05-04-2016, 03:18 PM
Regardless of which of the two get in, there will be no changes in truly substantive matters, such as massive deficit spending.

Wrong. Hillary gets in, we'll have no money, none to borrow as the China mule is drying up....so we'll have no money

Peter1469
05-04-2016, 05:31 PM
Wrong. Hillary gets in, we'll have no money, none to borrow as the China mule is drying up....so we'll have no money
Is Trump making money for the US?

I was wrong, the only substantive difference is SCOTUS. However, that doesn't really matter because both parties are hell bent on crashing the USD.

Subdermal
05-04-2016, 05:40 PM
Anyone who is a rational thinker has to agree that as of right now and as objectionable as it is, Hillary Clinton is the obvious leader nationally.

That's a lot of presumption in your statement.

1. Hillary doesn't excite.

2. Bernie voters are as turned off by Hillary as 'anyone but Trump' voters are regarding Trump.

3. Anyone with a pulse can see Hillary's guilty of crimes against our country.

I do not think you are correct.

Tahuyaman
05-04-2016, 06:39 PM
That's a lot of presumption in your statement.

1. Hillary doesn't excite.

2. Bernie voters are as turned off by Hillary as 'anyone but Trump' voters are regarding Trump.

3. Anyone with a pulse can see Hillary's guilty of crimes against our country..

You are correct, but she's still going to beat Trump.

The standards we hold for our nation's leader has declined dramatically over the last few election cycles.

Subdermal
05-04-2016, 07:57 PM
You are correct, but she's still going to beat Trump.

The standards we hold for our nation's leader has declined dramatically over the last few election cycles.

I suspect you're incorrect. We'll have to adjourn for now.

Tahuyaman
05-04-2016, 08:52 PM
I suspect you're incorrect. We'll have to adjourn for now.

All the evidence suggests I'm right.

Bo-4
05-04-2016, 08:57 PM
All the evidence suggests I'm right.

Not to worry Sub ..

Tahu is the only feller who's been wrong more often than yourself.

:D

Tahuyaman
05-04-2016, 09:40 PM
Not to worry Sub ..

Tahu is the only feller who's been wrong more often than yourself.

:D

I'd be more than happy to be wrong about Hillary being our next president.

maineman
05-04-2016, 09:41 PM
I'd be more than happy to be wrong about Hillary being our next president.

you'd prefer Trump?

Tahuyaman
05-04-2016, 09:49 PM
you'd prefer Trump?

I prefer neither as both would be an utter disaster.

maineman
05-04-2016, 09:50 PM
I prefer neither as both would be an utter disaster.

that wasn't my question. Your next president will either be named Trump or Clinton. what is your preference between those, your only two viable options?

Tahuyaman
05-04-2016, 09:51 PM
you'd prefer Trump?

I prefer neither as both would be a disaster.

But when you think about it, either would be an upgrade over what we have now.

Tahuyaman
05-04-2016, 09:53 PM
that wasn't my question. Your next president will either be named Trump or Clinton. what is your preference between those, your only two viable options?

Tough choice. I can't vote for Hillary because of what I know about her.

I guess if you held a gun to my head, I'd take Trump.

Now watch the idiot spin that.

Tahuyaman
05-04-2016, 10:08 PM
We know without a doubt that another Clinton administration would be mired in corruption, incompetence and more foreign policy blunders costing more American lives. There will be the usual trail of ruined lives in their wake. People we have yet to hear of. You know.... The modern version of Web Hubble.

I have no idea what crap a Trump administration would force upon us, but at least the females would be easier to look at.

decedent
05-05-2016, 01:58 PM
Anyone with a pulse can see Hillary's guilty of crimes against our country.


There's so many that we can't even name one.

maineman
05-05-2016, 02:43 PM
Tough choice. I can't vote for Hillary because of what I know about her.

I guess if you held a gun to my head, I'd take Trump.

Now watch the idiot spin that.

no spinning. I fully expected you to be a Trumpeter all along.

maineman
05-05-2016, 02:44 PM
I have no idea what crap a Trump administration would force upon us, but at least the females would be easier to look at.

piles of unknown crap are always worth it if you can look at hot babes. good thinking!

Tahuyaman
05-05-2016, 02:52 PM
no spinning. I fully expected you to be a Trumpeter all along.

I knew that idiot would spin my comment to suit him.

Tahuyaman
05-05-2016, 02:53 PM
piles of unknown crap are always worth it if you can look at hot babes. good thinking!

I know you prefer men in speedo's.....

maineman
05-05-2016, 03:02 PM
I knew that idiot would spin my comment to suit him.

there is no spin. you said, that given the choice between Hillary and Donald, you'd chose Donald. I expected that. Certainly you don't think it came as a surprise to anyone here, do you?

Tahuyaman
05-05-2016, 03:04 PM
piles of unknown crap are always worth it if you can look at hot babes. good thinking!

I know you prefer men in speedo's.....

Tahuyaman
05-05-2016, 03:05 PM
there is no spin. you said, that given the choice between Hillary and Donald, you'd chose Donald. I expected that. Certainly you don't think it came as a surprise to anyone here, do you?
You are The most intellectually dishonest person here.

Now You are dismissed.

maineman
05-05-2016, 03:06 PM
I know you prefer men in speedo's.....

that's what we call a classic example of transference.

He "knows" nothing of the kind, but he certainly understands the feelings that go along with having that sort of preference.

We had a good friend here in Mexico who had a son who was obviously gay. His Mom was either unaware of it, or in total denial. This young man always had pictures of hot girls in his wallet, and claimed to have many "girlfriends", but was clearly a fudge packer. He finally came out to his Mom, but the rest of us knew it years ago.

Kinda like closeted gay men using hot girls in bikinis as their avatar. They think that the rest of us will be persuaded of their straight-ness by such ploys.

Tahuyaman
05-05-2016, 03:08 PM
Maineman can not engage in an honest discussion. It's outside of his skill set.

maineman
05-05-2016, 03:09 PM
You are The most intellectually dishonest person here.

Now You are dismissed.

were you, or were you not asked to chose if Hillary and Donald were your only choices? yes or no.

did you, or did you not say that you would chose Donald? yes or no.

What is intellectually dishonest on my part in saying that I would have guessed that would be your choice? DO you really think I would think that you would chose Hillary Clinton?

maineman
05-05-2016, 03:09 PM
Maineman can not engage in an honest discussion. It's outside of his skill set.

there is no dishonesty here on my part. What have I said that is not true?

Tahuyaman
05-05-2016, 03:31 PM
I'd be more than happy to be wrong about Hillary being our next president.


you'd prefer Trump?


I prefer neither as both would be an utter disaster.


that wasn't my question. Your next president will either be named Trump or Clinton. what is your preference between those, your only two viable options?


Tough choice. I can't vote for Hillary because of what I know about her.

I guess if you held a gun to my head, I'd take Trump.

Now watch the idiot spin that.


there is no dishonesty here on my part. What have I said that is not true?

Intellectual dishonesty is your default position.

MisterVeritis
05-05-2016, 03:35 PM
kinda like closeted gay men using hot girls in bikinis as their avatar. They think that the rest of us will be persuaded of their straight-ness by such ploys.
lol.

maineman
05-05-2016, 03:36 PM
you said, that if you were forced to make a decision, you'd pick Trump. I said that that didn't surprise me. What's the problem. bikini boy?

Tahuyaman
05-05-2016, 05:13 PM
that's what we call a classic example of transference.

He "knows" nothing of the kind, but he certainly understands the feelings that go along with having that sort of preference.

We had a good friend here in Mexico who had a son who was obviously gay. His Mom was either unaware of it, or in total denial. This young man always had pictures of hot girls in his wallet, and claimed to have many "girlfriends", but was clearly a fudge packer. He finally came out to his Mom, but the rest of us knew it years ago.

Kinda like closeted gay men using hot girls in bikinis as their avatar. They think that the rest of us will be persuaded of their straight-ness by such ploys.

Are you coming out of the closet like your little friend did?

Tahuyaman
05-05-2016, 05:15 PM
you said, that if you were forced to make a decision, you'd pick Trump. I said that that didn't surprise me. What's the problem. bikini boy?

Forced with a gun to my head. There's a ringing endorsement.

Tahuyaman
05-05-2016, 05:15 PM
Maineman is obsessed with gay sex.

Tahuyaman
05-05-2016, 05:20 PM
that's what we call a classic example of transference.

He "knows" nothing of the kind, but he certainly understands the feelings that go along with having that sort of preference.

We had a good friend here in Mexico who had a son who was obviously gay. His Mom was either unaware of it, or in total denial. This young man always had pictures of hot girls in his wallet, and claimed to have many "girlfriends", but was clearly a fudge packer. He finally came out to his Mom, but the rest of us knew it years ago.

Kinda like closeted gay men using hot girls in bikinis as their avatar. They think that the rest of us will be persuaded of their straight-ness by such ploys.

Isn't it Something how those who claim to be So tolerant and say homosexuality is normal and nothing to be ashamed of always use the accusation of homosexualality as an insult.

maineman
05-05-2016, 05:21 PM
Isn't it Something how those who claim to be So tolerant and say homosexuality is normal and nothing to be ashamed of always use the accusation of homosexualality as an insult.I insulted no one. I certainly didn't insult my friend's gay son, and he was the only person I spoke of.

Tahuyaman
05-05-2016, 05:23 PM
Then they go into the denial mode.

Tahuyaman
05-05-2016, 05:25 PM
I wonder how many times maineman has been bitch- slapped by a twink.

maineman
05-05-2016, 05:26 PM
I wonder how many times maineman has been bitch- slapped by a twink.

I actually am pretty sure that you and I have never met face to face so you wouldn't have had the chance to try.

maineman
05-05-2016, 05:29 PM
Forced with a gun to my head. There's a ringing endorsement.

I never claimed it was a ringing endorsement. I asked you to choose and you did so. Trump was your choice. He was not mine.

maineman
05-05-2016, 05:30 PM
Are you coming out of the closet like your little friend did?

I've never been IN the closet, bikini boy.

There you go with that almost unconscious use of transference again.

Tahuyaman
05-05-2016, 05:43 PM
I never claimed it was a ringing endorsement. I asked you to choose and you did so. Trump was your choice. He was not mine.

^^^^^ Still can't come to find any shred of intellectual honesty

Tahuyaman
05-05-2016, 05:44 PM
I've never been IN the closet, bikini boy.
There you go with that almost unconscious use of transference again.
You don't need to get defensive.

Green Arrow
05-05-2016, 05:56 PM
Girls, girls, you're both pretty.

maineman
05-05-2016, 06:20 PM
Girls, girls, you're both pretty.

Oh, I am sure he is much prettier.

Ransom
05-06-2016, 10:48 AM
Oh, I am sure he is much prettier.

I don't know, you take a great pic with your Lancet Study tucked under your arm.

maineman
05-06-2016, 11:44 AM
I don't know, you take a great pic with your Lancet Study tucked under your arm.

it's funny how you keep flailing that dead horse. what else you got other than a bucket of rat's cum?

Bo-4
05-06-2016, 01:04 PM
Yep, as i suspected - a classic outlier (btw, Razzy was next to last in their 2012 poll accuracy).

They robocall and over sample Republicans.



RCP Average
4/11 - 5/1
--
--
47.3
40.8
Clinton +6.5


CNN/ORC (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2016/images/05/04/rel6b.-.2016.general.pdf)
4/28 - 5/1
890 RV
3.5
54
41
Clinton +13


Rasmussen Reports (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_41_clinton_39)
4/27 - 4/28
1000 LV
3.0
39
41
Trump +2


IBD/TIPP (http://www.investors.com/politics/trump-gains-ground-on-clinton-but-both-have-sky-high-negatives/)
4/22 - 4/28
814 RV
3.5
47
40
Clinton +7


USA Today/Suffolk (http://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/4_25_2016_marginals.pdf)
4/20 - 4/24
1000 LV
3.0
50
39
Clinton +11


GWU/Battleground (https://mediarelations.gwu.edu/americans-overwhelmingly-engaged-2016-election-tone-race-affecting-voters-new-gw-battleground-poll)
4/17 - 4/20
1000 LV
3.1
46
43
Clinton +3


FOX News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2016/04/14/fox-news-poll-national-release-april-14-2016/)
4/11 - 4/13
1021 RV
3.0
48
41
Clinton +7

maineman
05-06-2016, 01:10 PM
I hear what you are saying about Rasmussen, but oversampling does not effect the spread... it only effects the accuracy of questions asked specifically of the oversampled group.