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MMC
05-02-2016, 07:36 PM
Could Texas secede from the United States, if it wanted to?.....


Earlier this year, 270 county conventions took place across Texas, and at least 10 counties passed resolutions to adopt a pro-secession platform. Texas GOP party officials fear (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/19/the-texas-secession-movement-is-getting-kind-of-serious/) that this support and momentum will force them to hold an official vote at the state convention on whether to include a pro-secession plank in the state GOP platform.

While one-in-three Texans think that the state has the right to secede, a vast majority (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/19/the-texas-secession-movement-is-getting-kind-of-serious/) of those polled would chose to stay in the United States if they were voting on the issue. Activists submitted to the White House a petition (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/19/the-texas-secession-movement-is-getting-kind-of-serious/) for Texas secession with over 100,000 signatures in 2012, and they have recently tried other political means to advance their movement.

Of course, the debate over whether states can secede from the United States was officially (http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2015/09/from-the-carolinas-to-catalonia-the-temptation-of-secession/) put to an end by the Civil War. During his first Inaugural Address, President Abraham Lincoln declared (http://www.nps.gov/liho/learn/historyculture/secunlawful.htm) that “no state, upon its own mere notion, can lawfully get out of the Union…in view of the Constitution and the laws, the Union is unbroken”.

Despite this, pro-secession activists point to the Texas state constitution (https://texassecede.com/faq.php) as a legal justification for secession, deny the legitimacy of the 1868 Supreme Court ruling, and draw inspiration from the Declaration of Independence.

Back in 2012, the National Constitution Center’s constitutional literacy adviser Lyle Denniston wrote for us about (http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2012/11/constitution-check-can-texas-get-constitutional-permission-to-leave-the-union/) the Texas secession debate, and the possibility that Texas could leave the United States if it had permission from the other 49 states......snip~

https://www.yahoo.com/news/could-texas-secede-united-states-wanted-094818052--politics.html


Message to these Texan Activists. Once you're in.....there is no getting out.

http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M5c45e93f18d65c2118a0300645a81e60H2&w=245&h=299&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0

Peter1469
05-02-2016, 07:57 PM
Their Constitution reserved that right for them.

So, yes.

Common
05-02-2016, 07:57 PM
I hope the succeed in secedeing

Dr. Who
05-02-2016, 08:06 PM
While it might be an interesting experiment, the US would never let Texas go - too many oil resources. Perhaps when the world shifts to non-fossil fuel energy, but by then I imagine that the people of Texas would be less enthusiastic about secession.

MMC
05-02-2016, 08:07 PM
You want them to secede. Are you crazy? http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/rulez.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZPd4RX5848

MisterVeritis
05-02-2016, 08:12 PM
I hope the succeed in seceding
Me too. I would move there.

Crepitus
05-02-2016, 08:16 PM
Me too. I would move there.

If they did you'd have to apply for immigration status.

Peter1469
05-02-2016, 08:16 PM
I am a member of the Texas Bar. I could be a dual citizen.

MisterVeritis
05-02-2016, 08:17 PM
If they did you'd have to apply for immigration status.
I lived in San Antonio for about a decade.

Crepitus
05-02-2016, 08:21 PM
I lived in San Antonio for about a decade.

But do you now?

MMC
05-02-2016, 08:22 PM
I am a member of the Texas Bar. I could be a dual citizen.

Hey.....I am a member of the Texas Bar too.

http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.Mef054fe4fd52c1fd90fe232a80085a4fo0&w=240&h=180&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0
http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.Me4062665d8d5ec0f63a36b4f9dc630ebo0&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0

Cigar
05-02-2016, 08:53 PM
Oh just Go why don't yea .... :laugh:

MisterVeritis
05-02-2016, 09:57 PM
But do you now?
No. But it is easy to move.

Safety
05-02-2016, 10:08 PM
Will Trump make Texas pay for the wall if it seceded?

:rofl:

del
05-02-2016, 10:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGTaMp5txXI

Dr. Who
05-02-2016, 10:32 PM
Will Trump make Texas pay for the wall if it seceded?

:rofl:
And would that wall be on the Texas border with Mexico or on Texas' most northern, eastern and western borders?

Common
05-02-2016, 10:40 PM
Will Trump make Texas pay for the wall if it seceded?

:rofl:

He'd let mexico take texas back, then build a wall to keep mexico and texas out.

Cletus
05-02-2016, 10:42 PM
And would that wall be on the Texas border with Mexico or on Texas' most northern, eastern and western borders?

I wouldn't mind a wall between Texas and New Mexico. Keep the Texicans on their side of the border.

Dr. Who
05-02-2016, 10:50 PM
I wouldn't mind a wall between Texas and New Mexico. Keep the Texicans on their side of the border.
That's an interesting statement. Care to elaborate?

Cletus
05-02-2016, 10:58 PM
That's an interesting statement. Care to elaborate?

There are a lot of people from Texas in this state... too many. There is a town in the northern part of the state commonly referred to as "Little Amarillo" because the Texicans moved in and tried to turn it into a little slice of Texas.

This is New Mexico. It has a distinct and rather unique culture, a blend of Indian, Spanish, Mexican and Anglo. If someone wants to flee Texas and come here, they should leave Texas behind, not try to bring it with them. The same is true of refugees from anywhere else... California, Chicago and New York in particular. They move here to escape the problems of their home regions, but insist on bringing those problems and politics with them.

Dr. Who
05-02-2016, 11:02 PM
There are a lot of people from Texas in this state... too many. There is a town in the northern part of the state commonly referred to as "Little Amarillo" because the Texicans moved in and tried to turn it into a little slice of Texas.

This is New Mexico. It has a distinct and rather unique culture, a blend of Indian, Spanish, Mexican and Anglo. If someone wants to flee Texas and come here, they should leave Texas behind, not try to bring it with them. The same is true of refugees from anywhere else... California, Chicago and New York in particular. They move here to escape the problems of their home regions, but insist on bringing those problems and politics with them.
So what is it about Texas culture, which should be similar to New Mexican culture, that is problematic?

Cletus
05-02-2016, 11:24 PM
So what is it about Texas culture, which should be similar to New Mexican culture, that is problematic?

It is really not similar.

For example... the town in which I live was founded over 400 years ago by the Conquistadors. Our Pueblo is over 1000 years old and based on the archaeological record, it is estimated that our valley has been inhabited for over 3000 years. The history here is full of both warfare between and intermingling of the different tribes, races and ethnicities that have passed through here over the centuries. This has resulted in a truly unique culture that exists nowhere else.

Texicans, and I am not talking about small ranchers and farmers, I am talking about guys from places like Dallas and Houston who have made fortunes in whatever businesses they ran there, coming in and wanting to "modernize" things and turn the area into a place much like the places they just left. The same it true of those who come here to escape the crime and congestion of cities like Chicago and New York. They come in and immediately start complaining about how we lack the amenities they had back "home". If they want those amenities, let them stay where they came from. Californians tend to be the worst. The roads in this town were designed for horse drawn wagons. They are narrow. Many have buildings that go right up to the curb. We don't have multi-lane highways in this part of the state. About 70% of the roads in my county are not even paved. Instead of whining about how the roads are hard on the suspension of their Mercedes and they can't run at sixty or seventy miles an hour, they should shut up and either adapt or leave.

AZ Jim
05-02-2016, 11:30 PM
I would love it. Please Texas, do it. We'll pull ALL out federal facilities out of your shithole state. I fuckin love it.

Doublejack
05-03-2016, 02:01 AM
Without US defense Mexico would take it over in a few days.

Peter1469
05-03-2016, 05:00 AM
Without US defense Mexico would take it over in a few days.

I doubt it.

Safety
05-03-2016, 05:26 AM
And would that wall be on the Texas border with Mexico or on Texas' most northern, eastern and western borders?

I guess Texas would have to completely wall in their border, just to be sure.

MMC
05-03-2016, 05:28 AM
Without US defense Mexico would take it over in a few days.

Not even on their best day.

MMC
05-03-2016, 05:34 AM
Oh my.....the leftness does show their true colors, don't they!

That's why we need to get this Modern Civil War out of the way. Then after the leftness gets its ass stomped. Leaving the majority of their bodies laying all over the streets across the Nation. After whats left, they won't have any states to run back to. No place to hide anymore.

So start your refugee status with Europe.....now. No need to wait as you have no chance at winning and the Democratic Party will not be able to save your pathetic asses.

Safety
05-03-2016, 05:36 AM
http://we-love-quotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/you-went-full-retard-never-go-full-retard.jpg

MMC
05-03-2016, 05:45 AM
http://we-love-quotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/you-went-full-retard-never-go-full-retard.jpg


Cmon now.....I give respect to the dead. And we all know its the only way the leftness gets any.

Quicksilver
05-03-2016, 06:33 AM
From your lips to God's ears.. http://riveroflifeweb.com/VBS2005pix/Animated_daniel_praying_hg_clr.gif

iolo
05-03-2016, 06:41 AM
Texas Talking Secession, again?

Give it back to Mexico to pay for your Great Little Wall?

Quicksilver
05-03-2016, 06:48 AM
Texas Talking Secession, again?

Give it back to Mexico to pay for your Great Little Wall?

That was my thinking... They can have it..

MMC
05-03-2016, 07:26 AM
From your lips to God's ears.. http://riveroflifeweb.com/VBS2005pix/Animated_daniel_praying_hg_clr.gif



Oh yeah.....you should have seen what I said directly to Zeus. :shocked:

Quicksilver
05-03-2016, 07:32 AM
Anyone what to take a guess on how long before the country of Texas will be begging us for foreign aid?

PolWatch
05-03-2016, 07:37 AM
Texas raises this topic with regularity. Their education system stresses Texas history of independence more than that of the US.

Quicksilver
05-03-2016, 07:38 AM
35% of Texas' revenue comes from Federal Aid. That would leave a pretty big hole in their budget...

MMC
05-03-2016, 07:51 AM
Anyone what to take a guess on how long before the country of Texas will be begging us for foreign aid?

Quite some time. If it were ever to happen. Not that they ever will. Even the OP states the majority living there are against leaving the US.


Among America’s 53 largest metropolitan areas, nine of the 10 fastest-growing ones are in the Sunbelt: Austin, Orlando, Raleigh, Houston, Las Vegas, San Antonio, Dallas-Fort Worth, Nashville and Tampa-St. Petersburg. The only outlier is Denver, which has become a destination for people and companies fleeing higher priced areas, particularly the West Coast.

Perhaps even more revealing are the trends in domestic migration. The leaders in total domestic net migration parallel almost precisely those that have experienced the strongest total population growth, led by Houston, Dallas-Fort Worth and Phoenix; together these metro areas added 150,000 net domestic residents.....snip~

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/62193-Politics-Move-Left-Americans-Move-Right?p=1537466#post1537466

Bo-4
05-03-2016, 10:44 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CRssDC_6FCo/UKwpKIOfymI/AAAAAAAAMFc/B71DDLmBnbY/s1600/tb-secede-letter.jpg

MisterVeritis
05-03-2016, 11:24 AM
Without US defense Mexico would take it over in a few days.
More likely it would be the other way around.

Dr. Who
05-03-2016, 05:41 PM
It is really not similar.

For example... the town in which I live was founded over 400 years ago by the Conquistadors. Our Pueblo is over 1000 years old and based on the archaeological record, it is estimated that our valley has been inhabited for over 3000 years. The history here is full of both warfare between and intermingling of the different tribes, races and ethnicities that have passed through here over the centuries. This has resulted in a truly unique culture that exists nowhere else.

Texicans, and I am not talking about small ranchers and farmers, I am talking about guys from places like Dallas and Houston who have made fortunes in whatever businesses they ran there, coming in and wanting to "modernize" things and turn the area into a place much like the places they just left. The same it true of those who come here to escape the crime and congestion of cities like Chicago and New York. They come in and immediately start complaining about how we lack the amenities they had back "home". If they want those amenities, let them stay where they came from. Californians tend to be the worst. The roads in this town were designed for horse drawn wagons. They are narrow. Many have buildings that go right up to the curb. We don't have multi-lane highways in this part of the state. About 70% of the roads in my county are not even paved. Instead of whining about how the roads are hard on the suspension of their Mercedes and they can't run at sixty or seventy miles an hour, they should shut up and either adapt or leave.
It sounds lovely - very human and slower paced than modern cities.

zelmo1234
05-03-2016, 06:10 PM
If they did you'd have to apply for immigration status.

My guess is that they would not have a problem with Conservatives, but Liberals may have a hard time getting in.

zelmo1234
05-03-2016, 06:11 PM
Will Trump make Texas pay for the wall if it seceded?

:rofl:

He won't have to??? The Texans would build it.

Crepitus
05-03-2016, 08:15 PM
My guess is that they would not have a problem with Conservatives, but Liberals may have a hard time getting in.

So how are.they gonna tell?

del
05-03-2016, 08:17 PM
So how are.they gonna tell?

it will probably involve bathrooms

Safety
05-03-2016, 08:23 PM
So how are.they gonna tell?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/da/8f/5d/da8f5db019cba1652352ed9f118bd009.jpg

gamewell45
05-03-2016, 08:35 PM
Could Texas secede from the United States, if it wanted to?.....


Earlier this year, 270 county conventions took place across Texas, and at least 10 counties passed resolutions to adopt a pro-secession platform. Texas GOP party officials fear (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/19/the-texas-secession-movement-is-getting-kind-of-serious/) that this support and momentum will force them to hold an official vote at the state convention on whether to include a pro-secession plank in the state GOP platform.

While one-in-three Texans think that the state has the right to secede, a vast majority (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/19/the-texas-secession-movement-is-getting-kind-of-serious/) of those polled would chose to stay in the United States if they were voting on the issue. Activists submitted to the White House a petition (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/19/the-texas-secession-movement-is-getting-kind-of-serious/) for Texas secession with over 100,000 signatures in 2012, and they have recently tried other political means to advance their movement.

Of course, the debate over whether states can secede from the United States was officially (http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2015/09/from-the-carolinas-to-catalonia-the-temptation-of-secession/) put to an end by the Civil War. During his first Inaugural Address, President Abraham Lincoln declared (http://www.nps.gov/liho/learn/historyculture/secunlawful.htm) that “no state, upon its own mere notion, can lawfully get out of the Union…in view of the Constitution and the laws, the Union is unbroken”.

Despite this, pro-secession activists point to the Texas state constitution (https://texassecede.com/faq.php) as a legal justification for secession, deny the legitimacy of the 1868 Supreme Court ruling, and draw inspiration from the Declaration of Independence.

Back in 2012, the National Constitution Center’s constitutional literacy adviser Lyle Denniston wrote for us about (http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2012/11/constitution-check-can-texas-get-constitutional-permission-to-leave-the-union/) the Texas secession debate, and the possibility that Texas could leave the United States if it had permission from the other 49 states......snip~

https://www.yahoo.com/news/could-texas-secede-united-states-wanted-094818052--politics.html


Message to these Texan Activists. Once you're in.....there is no getting out.

http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M5c45e93f18d65c2118a0300645a81e60H2&w=245&h=299&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0


You are very correct; it was decided back in the Lincoln administration; hence the civil war. Not withstanding, even if they could succeed they won't because most texans (aside from the extremists) realize that there is strength in numbers and if anything bad ever happened they'd have 49 other states backing them.