The Cherokee people demand the truth

[sparty]

So, I signed up for "The Cherokee people demand the truth" facebook page.

I've been interested in this and that Elizabeth Warren lied for so many years about being Cherokee.

Yes, I understand it's also a political tool, but she checked the college box without showing any proof she was indeed Cherokee.
No, it doesn't matter she didn't receive any "casino money" but she got to check that minority box.
People can no longer lie about their ancestory.
Well, except for Obama.

http://networkedblogs.com/CpNBk

[Mister D]

Did you know the kicked out everyone with black ancestry from the tribe?

[sparty]

Did you know the kicked out everyone with black ancestry from the tribe?

Yes, I did know that.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1635873,00.html

[Mister D]

I have to admit that I admire them for standing up to the powers that be.

[sparty]

I have to admit that I admire them for standing up to the powers that be.

"Both sides, oddly enough, agree that tribal membership is a political designation, rather than a racial one. No one wants to use a strict blood quantum — say, a requirement of 1/16th Cherokee blood — to determine who belongs. "I refuse to create a sieve through which our grandchildren will fall out," says David Cornsilk, a Cherokee-by-blood who sides with the Freedmen. But each side sees very different implications. "What is identity?" posits Smith. "What is an Indian? What is a Cherokee? I would say it's someone part of a recognized community." Recognized, though, meaning on the proper Dawes List — not meaning active members of the tribe, as Vann asserts it should. "Even though Freedmen people didn't participate in tribal councils for many years, they have served in Cherokee schools and hospitals."


Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1635873,00.html#ixzz2775KHTxO

[Mister D]

I'm sure everyone at Time was aghast but non-whites frequently pay no attention to the official nonsense about diversity.

[sparty]

I'm sure everyone at Time was aghast but non-whites frequently pay no attention to the official nonsense about diversity.

But, the Cherokee have paid attention to Elizabeth Warren.

[Mister D]

But, the Cherokee have paid attention to Elizabeth Warren.

They should

[sparty]

They should

I understand she earned all her degrees, but would she have been accepted without checking that minority box?

[Mister D]

I understand she earned all her degrees, but would she have been accepted without checking that minority box?

It's a reasonable question. We know for a fact that college administrators lower standards to make the student body more diverse.

[roadmaster]

Elizabeth Warren lied

Yes, she did and I think they should call her out on it. I could have done the same but it would have been a lie. Now my children can but they don't. They do have a great grandmother that was full-blooded Sioux and have proof.

Warren played the race card to her advantage knowing she wasn't. I am with them on this issue. She may have not gotten funds but it did help her be accepted.

[shaarona]

So, I signed up for "The Cherokee people demand the truth" facebook page.

I've been interested in this and that Elizabeth Warren lied for so many years about being Cherokee.

Yes, I understand it's also a political tool, but she checked the college box without showing any proof she was indeed Cherokee.
No, it doesn't matter she didn't receive any "casino money" but she got to check that minority box.
People can no longer lie about their ancestory.
Well, except for Obama.

http://networkedblogs.com/CpNBk

Actually she never checked any box.. so her Cherokee ancestry made no difference in her career either way, except to those who were claiming ethnic diversity. Her Cherokee ancestry is like my own.. about 1/32 ... which is an interesting footnote in family lore... and may account for high cheekbones and tall, slim women.

This is a tempest in a teapot unless one really wants to attack Elizabeth Warren.

[roadmaster]

Actually she never checked any box.. so her Cherokee ancestry made no difference in her career either way, except to those who were claiming ethnic diversity. Her Cherokee ancestry is like my own.. about 1/32 ... which is an interesting footnote in family lore... and may account for high cheekbones and tall, slim women.

This is a tempest in a teapot unless one really wants to attack Elizabeth Warren.

She has always claimed to be Native American. Now you know all about them too?

[Mister D]

Actually she never checked any box.. so her Cherokee ancestry made no difference in her career either way, except to those who were claiming ethnic diversity. Her Cherokee ancestry is like my own.. about 1/32 ... which is an interesting footnote in family lore... and may account for high cheekbones and tall, slim women.

This is a tempest in a teapot unless one really wants to attack Elizabeth Warren.

1/32 ancestry of any kind would account for virtually nothing.

[shaarona]

She has always claimed to be Native American. Now you know all about them too?

Her paperwork has been published.. She never claimed any entitlement based on her Chrerokee ancestry.... which doesn't count anywhere if you are more than 1/16th.

[Mister D]

Her paperwork has been published.. She never claimed any entitlement based on her Chrerokee ancestry.... which doesn't count anywhere if you are more than 1/16th.


You aren't claiming any entitlement when you tell an admissions board you're a member of a particular ethnic group but she no doubt knew it would advance her prospects.

[shaarona]

1/32 ancestry of any kind would account for virtually nothing.

Exactly.. It counts for nothing for me or my 1/64th children or their first cousins.. Its just a bit of fmily history.

[Mister D]

Exactly.. It counts for nothing for me or my 1/64th children or their first cousins.. Its just a bit of fmily history.


..and may account for high cheekbones and tall, slim women.

It would account for virtually nothing.

[shaarona]

You aren't claiming any entitlemtn when you tell an admissions board you're a member of a particular ethnic group but she no doubt knioew it would advance her prospects.

To claim entitlement you have to do the paperwork and the paperwork has to be vetted by some Indian Heritage Council.. I wouldn't get exercised about it.

[shaarona]

It would account for virtually nothing.

Except genetics....

[Mister D]

To claim entitlement you have to do the paperwork and the paperwork has to be vetted by some Indian Heritage Council.. I wouldn't get exercised about it.

Again, telling an admissions board you are part Cherokee isn't claiming an entitlement but she no doubt knew it would advance her prospects. Secondly, I do get execised when my government and universities practice racial discrimination.

[roadmaster]

Her paperwork has been published.. She never claimed any entitlement based on her Chrerokee ancestry.... which doesn't count anywhere if you are more than 1/16th.

I have heard her speak and she has always claimed she was Native American which was false.

[Mister D]

Except genetics....

1/32 ancestry is close to meaningless genetically.

[shaarona]

1/32 ancestry is close to meaningless genetically.

Hahahaha.. Remember that.

[Mister D]

Hahahaha.. Remember that.

Me? You remember that when you claim high cheek bones, a slim figure, and height could be derived from a 1/32 ancestry. :laugh:

[roadmaster]

1/32 ancestry is close to meaningless genetically.

That's correct. I have high cheek bones and brownish skin and don't go around claiming I am Native American even tho it's hard to convince them I am not. She was deliberately lying and brought it up many times. I could have easily passed claiming something I am not.

[Mister D]

That's correct. I have high cheek bones and brownish skin and don't go around claiming I am Native American even tho it's hard to convince them I am not. She was deliberately lying and brought it up many times. I could have easily passed claiming something I am not.

It must be tempting to try and cash in on government sanctioned racial discrimination. What a great country, huh?

[Jack Fate]

I don't have any foreskin; does that make me a Jew?

[roadmaster]

It must be tempting to try and cash in on government sanctioned racial discrimination. What a great country, huh?

She was just wrong doing this. I worked while going to college and didn't ask or try to defraud and play the race game. My husbands Dad that was half never did either. He retired from the military.

[shaarona]

That's correct. I have high cheek bones and brownish skin and don't go around claiming I am Native American even tho it's hard to convince them I am not. She was deliberately lying and brought it up many times. I could have easily passed claiming something I am not.

Why "pass"?

Most families in the US have some degree of mixed ancestry..

[shaarona]

I don't have any foreskin; does that make me a Jew?

Or, you could be a Muslim........

[sparty]

Or, you could be a Muslim........

I would think if he were Muslim, he would protesting or praying.

Pakistan explodes in protest; 17 killed... (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2012/09/20129219618263113.html)
'DAY OF LOVE'... (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/21/us-protests-idUSBRE88J0VU20120921)
PROTESTS IN IRAN, INDONESIA, IRAQ, SRI LANKA, BANGLADESH, LEBANON, KASHMIR... (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PROPHET_FILM_PROTEST_GLANCE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-09-21-09-24-55)
'Obama, our patience has its limit... Don't blame us if your citizens die'... (http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/1227316/1/.html)
French embassies, schools closed in 20 countries... (http://www.france24.com/en/20120921-french-institutes-shutdown-mohammed-cartoons-muslim-protests-embassies-backlash)
France bans protests against Muhammad cartoons... (http://af.reuters.com/article/tunisiaNews/idAFL5E8KL5T620120921)

[shaarona]

I would think if he were Muslim, he would protesting or praying.

Pakistan explodes in protest; 17 killed... (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2012/09/20129219618263113.html)
'DAY OF LOVE'... (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/21/us-protests-idUSBRE88J0VU20120921)
PROTESTS IN IRAN, INDONESIA, IRAQ, SRI LANKA, BANGLADESH, LEBANON, KASHMIR... (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PROPHET_FILM_PROTEST_GLANCE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-09-21-09-24-55)
'Obama, our patience has its limit... Don't blame us if your citizens die'... (http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/1227316/1/.html)
French embassies, schools closed in 20 countries... (http://www.france24.com/en/20120921-french-institutes-shutdown-mohammed-cartoons-muslim-protests-embassies-backlash)
France bans protests against Muhammad cartoons... (http://af.reuters.com/article/tunisiaNews/idAFL5E8KL5T620120921)

If circumcision is the only criteria?

[sparty]

If circumcision is the only criteria?

Are you intentionally being dense or does this come natural?

[roadmaster]

Why "pass"?

Most families in the US have some degree of mixed ancestry..

Yes they do but I knew my grandparents and pictures of their parents. I know my ancestry back to them. Beyond that I have no idea but I was raised to respect all races. If I do past them then that's fine I don't disrespect them but I was also raised to tell the truth.

[shaarona]

Yes they do but I knew my grandparents and pictures of their parents. I know my ancestry back to them. Beyond that I have no idea but I was raised to respect all races. If I do past them then that's fine I don't disrespect them but I was also raised to tell the truth.

My family can be traced to the War of the Roses.. and its just fabulous really.. Rogues and all.

[roadmaster]

My family can be traced to the War of the Roses.. and its just fabulous really.. Rogues and all.

Well I also have a sister-in-law that is half Cherokee and I know many of them, and other tribes. I had a young man that stayed with me over a year that was half Choctaw, and have visited and love the Navaho (actually went to Church with them) among many others. Their is bad and good in every quote race but I know many with good hearts. The hearts of people are what matters not the tone of ones skin.

[Jack Fate]

Or, you could be a Muslim........

Nope. I have a brain and I believe in taking a bath.

[shaarona]

Nope. I have a brain and I believe in taking a bath.

Muslims bathe 5 times a day........ Did you say you have a brain?

[Jack Fate]

Muslims bathe 5 times a day........ Did you say you have a brain?

Then why do muslims smell like camel shit?

Yes, I have a brain. Islam is an evil murderous mysogynistic cult.

How come the American muslims are not rioting over the movie?